Political Comment by Hizb ut-Tahrir

[gag order]

"HT has foiled numerous plans of kuffar since its inception"

dont you mean,

"the kuffar have always foiled HT since its inception"

and what plans of the kuffar have HT foiled exactly? as i distinctley remember HT joined the kafir bandwagon in slating the taliban when they took kabul.

the taliban were quick to ban HT when they learned that they dont believe in azab ul khabr nor do they believe in killing in fi sabil lillah to bring back the rule of sharia.

[Abdullah]

Asalaam alaykum brother. What is this about the Taliban banning HT? You have proof for this?

Also brother I don't think it is correct to say that they jumped on the band wagon with the kuffar. I know some of these guys (HT).

Since me waking up I have found that allot of the problems that exist with muslims today is from ignorance or brothers generalising. I'll give an example, the brelvi's issue of Allah is every where. If you ask them Is Allah with you now or astagfirullah is HE in the bathroom , they will reply no. Allot of the times the other partie uses terms for different meanings and then that is picked upon.

By the way I am not brelvi, like metioned in another post i ain't with no one, so no one jump a gun please.

Love u all

[gag order]

as salamu aliakum abdullah

well i think is is absolutely correct to say they jumped on the kuffar bandwagon (no takfir implied) because this is exactly what happened.

i was a witness to it, i went to several talks held in "honour" of taliban way back in 93 and i was quite impressionable then to the nonsense like taliban bieng a creation of CIA and ISI etc etc and this nonsense is still bieng propagated by HT the local lads in my locality and the HT in my ex-UNI they all sing the same song so it is party policy for them to "slate" the taliban? they have a poor opinion of them - check with the HT guys that you know they will either give a glowing tribute (unlikely) or play it down and be dismissive (highly probable).

and as for HT bieng banned by taliban i heard this from another brother and i trust him. also Tableeghis were "banned" i read this in dharb i mumin. the tableeghis were saying to the taliban infantry to stop fighting and come to 40 days to rawalpindi in fi sabil lillah - they were soon paid a visit by the director of "enjoining the right and forbidding the wrong" who silenced them with a counter sermon.

and as for generalising then that is allowed. for instance allah generalises the kuffar they will all go to hell even the "good" ones! another example
the rasool (saw) killed an entire tribe of jews just because a handful of clan leaders plotted with the kuffar, and also went to war against the jewish community just because 1 jew assualted a muslimah

and another example the entire army of firoun was drowned there must have been at least 1 soldier who didnt believe in attacking musa (as) but they were all drowned. this is generalisation. when ali (ra) dug a ditch and burned alive shias who said "ali is allah" there must have been at least 1 shia who was a just political dissident but not a mushrik this is generalisation.

when the companions (ra) went to war against byzantium the whole of byzantium was considered the enemy even the byzantine pacifists who did not want war with arabs - this is generalisation this same generalisation came into play when the muslims used artillery against constantinople in the 14th century it didnt bother them that the rounds would land on "innocent" households who only want peace with the muslims.

and also i cannot remember which of the salaf said this but it is generalisation in a nutshell "the people of iraaq they are people of deceit and hypocrisy" every single one of them !!!

and as for the barelvis the only reason they cannot say that allah is in bathroom is because they are too embarrassed to say that particularly if you use it as a wepon in debate - if allah is everywhere is he then in the pub? in the bathroom? they will deny it but they still believe allah is evrywhere! the best explanation i can give them is,

allah knows all and sees all but doesnt have to be present to know all and see all, which is more beffittng the majesty of allah? a god who has to be present to see and know or a god who never dwells amongst his creation but still knows all and sees all? the latter is a far superior quality and is beffiting for our lord then conclude the matter with verse 5 surah arrahman where allah tells us where he is: upon his throne above the 7 heavens.

[Abdullah]

Asalaam alaykum brother.

Can you please let me know which scholar used the evidences that you provided to say that these can be used to generalise about a group of people and could please provide refferences as don't have the ability to interpret the texts.
The example about the brelvi's was related by a scholar who spoke to the brelvi scholars and he had said allot the problems are do to ignorance and I agree with him on that one.

No disrespect intended.
Love you for the sake of Allah (swt)

[Abu_Tashfeen]

bud bud ding ding 299

ht in da market wasting our time

says he wants, revival but what a joke

then runs behind the masjid to have a smoke!

loooooooooolll

what da bumbakiss!!

[Abu_Tashfeen]

HT makes me so sad. u can actually generalise about them in some aspects. though it doesnt mean that the general comments refer to every single individual. but it refers to a common trait in HT.

one of these traits is they chat a whole load of tripe.

another is the love designer suits and trimmed beards.

there r more, but i dont feel to go into it.

i advise anyone not to waste time with HT because they r a farce. a farce on a large scale. an organised farce.

sick and tired of their bull

sick and tired of seeing them trying to inspire ppl by saying do this for the muslims do that for the muslims, and then they go to edgware road later and sit till early hours of the mornin smokin cheecha.

im not a good person... but i dont go round pretending

la hawla wala quwata bil laah

and anyone who wants to unite with shi3a aught to be completley avoided.

[Salahudin]

I won't reply to the slander posted above by the children of this forum.
It is suffice to say that truth lies with the Quran and Sunnah of which you have presented neither in your unIslamic rants.
If I was to get a pound for every lie and slanderous statement made out this great Party, then I would indeed be rich.

[Salahudin]

I won't reply to the slander posted above by the children of this forum.
It is suffice to say that truth lies with the Quran and Sunnah of which you have presented neither in your unIslamic rants.
If I was to get a pound for every lie and slanderous statement made out this great Party, then I would indeed be rich.

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

bud bud ding ding 299

says he won't respond to lies cuz we're wasting his time,

says we all say lies but datz alrite

cuz with all the pounds he get he gets he'll be having sheesha 2nite

[gag order]

br abdullah,

i stated some examples of generalisation.

the sweeping blanket statement (generalising) about the people of iraaq bieng the people of deciet and hypocrisy was made by a scholar, i heard it on a shaikh faisal cassettehe qouted it in support of a point he was making, if anyone knows the source please reply for the benefit of abdullah.

br abu tasfeen you mentioned common traits that is indeed what generalisation is, one could be different from the rest of the group but one is counted as one of them when one claims to be with that group.

[asharee_salafi]

when ever i read these political schisms from HT i always falL asleep and my hand automatically moves the mouse to scrooll down, i like the way they always try and put islamic emotions in us, they try and motivate us, but they dont realise that the reason why were motivated by islam has nothing to do with them, in fact the whole revival of the muslim world has nothing to do with them, even though they make out as if they are the ONLY ones doing the real reveival, anything other then them is 'cheap'.

look, HT........ANY HT READING THIS(AND WE KNOW YOU DO!)

YOUR BORING, :x

THE GAMES UP, :x

SLING YOU HOOK, :x

WE KNOW YOU ARE THE MODERN DAY MUATAZILAH, :x

WE KNOW YOUR SCARED TO DEBATE OUR SCHOLARS AND YOU CAN ONLY TALK TO 16 YEAR OLD TEENAGERS OVER FRIDAY NIGHT SHEESHA( I KNOW COS I USED TO DO IT WHEN I WAS HT!) :x

JUST GIVE UP TOY! :x

ENOUGH NOW :x

ENOUGH SAID...JUS...JUS.....STOP..........STOP,NO ONE WANTS TO KNOW,WE AINT INTERESTED,STOP POSTING,THE UMMAH IS AWARE ALREADY AND THE LAST WE NEED IS RAFIDAH LOVERS LIKE YOU TELLING US ABOUT THE 'REALITY'

JUST WALK OFF IN SILENCE,ON YOUR LONESOME WITH YOUR HEAD HANGING LOW WITH YOUR ANALYSIS LEAFLETS BY YOUR SIDE,GO BACK TO THE SEWERS OF THE SECTS WHERE YOU BELONG ALONG WITH YOUR RAFIDAH BROTHERS IN ISLAM!
:wink:

[asharee_salafi]

an example of an ht leaflet, this is there new one, check what they say here

You know that you have brothers amongst you, who believe in Allah, who have been rewarded with guidance through Allah's mercy and who work day and night to resume the Islamic way of life through re-establishing the Khilafah Rashida. They make their way through the crowds, exposing themselves to arrest, imprisonment and even torture leading to martyrdom, so as to accomplish this great obligation, to raise the Ummah after its fall and to restore it to its former splendour and glory. They are like candles that burn, illuminating the darkness with their light. So will you not work with them so as to earn the favour that Allah grants the sincere pious men? If you abstain or were prevented from working, will you not at least support and back them so that Allah may grant you mercy and by Allah's will, your good actions will erase your bad deeds? Outside of these two matters there is no good in this path: either to work for the sake of implementing the truth and glorifying the Deen of Allah by establishing the Khilafah Rashida or to be supporters and back them, to earn from the reward they will get and to be supported by the support they will get.



ermmm, the answer is, yes we do want to support the ones who are working for khilafah, and we love them, thats why we stay away from you cos u aint working for no khilafah, and we dont love you since you people are the furtherest away from establishing ANYTHING of the deen.
:x

[gag order]

i keep saying this but taliban did in 3 years what HT have failed to do in over 70 years!

in 1258 khilafah was removed by force of arms, and sultan baibras of the mamelukes brought back the kahlifah by force of arms after recieving petitions from scholars advisng him - this i read in a 2 volume muslim history book.

baibras was the mullah omar of his time. (thats my conclusion not the book)

i think they should abandon their methodology because in 1258 the jihadis and the scholars who called on them demonstrated the correct way of bringing back khalifah!

they always going on about the "efforts" of their own members but ignore the mujahideen who are the best of us doing all the fighting and dying for islam, it moves me to tears.