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Anonymous

23rd May 2005, 08:58 AM

http://members.tripod.com/abu_isaa_refuted/

Anonymous

23rd May 2005, 09:00 AM

At long last the chicken farmers chickens come home to roost,LOL.

Anonymous

23rd May 2005, 09:06 AM

Allah Hu Akbar,How did people fall for this guy,you guys have no ilm man,what a joke The Khalifah lives with kuffar in great toilet of britain,ultimate rib tickler or **** taker depending how angry it makes you,stupid man plain stupid,wa salam bros.

Anonymous

23rd May 2005, 09:11 AM

We couldnt have planned any better if only the jews could learn how you done it,what a CIA job gotta respect them for the gaul.Ben Gurion Out.ShalomeG*D.

Anonymous

23rd May 2005, 09:21 AM

Salams I thaugh we had the monopily on divide and plunder but even we coudnt put The Amir ul Mummineen in Slough but These heros of deviancy did,if you guys need a job our embassy would more then be happy to receive an application from you any time, you are true jew heroes of deception,respect is jew.

Anonymous

23rd May 2005, 09:45 AM

fear god defiants,one day will implement the huduud on you when we have a place to stay but wee has a leaver and amir in angland you see now we have leaser and you must fllow him if you dont you diez ignarans aint it so you naw must follows the amir today or we will punish you when we find a land mullah Omar is not amir abu hammam is amir of all muslim in worlds see and one days they will know when wee s find some pace to stay bot nts today ok tommorow .but now we stay here in england ok is good place for me and amir like my father heis old and sick but everbdies lves hem ,i sorry myanglish not good so sorryit must seem like i stupid but iknot.i pwmise

Anonymous

23rd May 2005, 10:06 AM

If this April fools then brothers need to Fear Allah please go to Islam Q A on April Fools and celerrating the festivals of the kuffar,khalifah,pull the other one mate its got bells on it,jokers man you nearly had I couldnt stop laughing but still its haram to lie and i sujest the rothes to go to Sheilk Salihs site Islam Q A in regards to april fools its haram iqwa funny while it lasted and we shoulnt lie even if its inteded as a joke,ba salam

Anonymous

23rd May 2005, 10:24 AM

Fear god defiants,are you like a martian or what?You been watching to much ,T>V man my cat can speak better english, did you just arrive on a boat or what?lesson 1 understand how to write lesson 2 make sence in what you write,have you got ijaza, work permit or something?You seem like an alien to me and what you were saying seemed even more alien?Ya Abu Zuabair portericans and spanglish dont make easy reading,comprenday amigo,and for amirs we got our own one here in Trinidad and we are very happy with Imam Abu Bakr he fought for our rights and we would chop somebody if they try to remove him as our Amir and we dont care what the people them say seen,peace salam to the brothers.

Anonymous

23rd May 2005, 10:48 AM

This has to be one of the most hilarious posts i ever read for real fake websites the lot but the bro was right earlier when he said its haram to lie even when joking ,so whoever ownes the websites close em down or else some poor soul may actualy fall for this joke only to ralise its trick via e mail,funny but the jokes over and there is plenty of hard work ahead for us all,wa salamulacum,,

Anonymous

23rd May 2005, 11:29 AM

ignarans? anyone?got any idea is he insulting blck folk,asains any help?ignarans? ornge?arangtangs?lol Ijust worked it out ignarans is french for ignorance,this french guy is calling us ignorant and he cant even spell it you frog.

Anonymous

23rd May 2005, 01:06 PM

Abu Eassa?who?very funny websites,do people realy give this old boy their bayah?Allah Mustaaan,miskeen iqwa miskeen jiddan if they fall for this one,I have heard it all now,what have you done for fallujah,afghanistan ,chechnya all those muslims in prison in the world and then we have an old man in england to help us,by Allah put youre slippers on old man and stop this silly game you are an embaressment to us with this foolishness,we dont want you or youre kinds help stay in youre dirty kuffars back yard and far from us muslims but I already see how faraway you are in England from us. Pathetic people, come to jihad or shut youre mouth juhill young men by Allah youre decived.

Abuz Zubair

23rd May 2005, 03:56 PM

As-Salaamu ‘Alaikum,

As much as Abu Isa’s cult may sound hilarious, it is equally very saddening to know that so many of our sincere brothers and sisters our swayed by these outright deviants and cult leaders. This just reflects the level of ignorance amongst us resulting in a complete devaluation of Shariah, such that anyone can make fame for himself by claiming leadership, giving a few talks here and there, and taking up the position of Ifta. The sad part is, as the saying goes: ‘in the land of the blind, one-eyed man is a king’, and this is what precisely we are witnessing. Deviants like Abu ‘Isa and his current ally and a con-man, Umar Bakri, their Dawah will be a complete failure in the Muslim world, because there the Muslims still have some taste of a real scholarship. In England, we lack such scholarship, which is why these cult leaders find it very easy to become the leaders of some naïve Muslim youth.

Obviously, it goes without saying that these guys are way beyond the pale of orthodoxy. We should rightly refer to these people as cult, because that’s what precisely they are.

wasalam

Ibn_Dhiraar

23rd May 2005, 04:35 PM

This thread is quite silly for the most part.

Anyway Abuz-Zubayr, don't you think it is the duty of those "people of knowledge" in the UK to give da'wah to the ignorant youth*******who have been given da'wah and are being bombarded by the Abu 'Eesaa "cult"?

The "knowledgable people" in the UK reply, "these people are not worth wasting any time on", so if the youth are getting involved with these "cults" because the da'wah of these "cults" is quite strong and they are persisitent... You can't really blame the ignorant people for joining these "cults" too much - the so-called people of knowledge on the UK are falling short. They should spend more time in giving da'wah to these youth and guiding them out of their ignorance by showing them the truth. May Allaah guide them and us.

Abuz Zubair

24th May 2005, 11:54 PM

As-Salaamu ‘Alaikum,

I fully agree that it is the responsibility and an obligation on ‘the ppl of knowledge’ to refute such innovations. The only thing is, that this is just one of the many obligations faced by the carriers of Da’wah in the West. There are far greater audience than these cults that wants to know how to live their lives in the West in accordance with the revelation. It is far more greater to tackle the issues of Islamic education, schooling, housing, funding etc, and even greater than that we face the ideological threat in light of the RAND report, etc. There is a great intellectual struggle going on, as we speak, between those who would like us to assimilate into the Western culture, and the guardians of faith who would refuse to toe the line.

If you have an overall picture of what is taking place, a man claiming to be a Khalifa in Slough seems very insignificant. Although, it still remains a communal obligation to refute such people, and I believe there is someone working on it. But even then, if people become emotionally attached to any cult figure, it does not matter what textual or rational prove you present to them. They simply become blinded.

Have a look at Bakri and his followers, the most ridiculous fiasco we’ve witnessed in the past decade. Bakri was a prominent spokesman for HT for a long time and indeed, this is how he gained fame and following. When he officially got kicked out of HT, we saw the whole flock of his blind-followers leave HT and become al-Muhajirun. After 9/11, when he realised that the ‘Wahhabis’ have stolen the show, he decided to keep up with the controversy race and became a ‘wahhabi’ overnight, after having smeared the ‘wahhabi’ da’wah for a decade. And surprise, surprise, the bulk of his followers suddenly became convinced that the Ash’ari/Mu’tazili beliefs are false, and Sheikh Muhammad b ‘Abdul-Wahhab wasn’t a British agent after all, and ‘repented’. Now he is allying himself with Abu ‘Isa, and so are the bulk of his followers. Note my words: If tomorrow he ever proclaims that he has been working for the MI5 for the past decade, you will see the bulk of his followers queuing to sign up with the MI5.

wasalam

abdul muntaqim

25th May 2005, 08:29 PM

Asalam mu alaikum. Abu Zubair you have slanderd muslims before and now you are doing it again. A man admits he was mistaken and he is attacked for it? You calling shayke Omar Bakri a spy? Do you know its kufr to be a spy. Islamically you would be wipped for you have no proof for what your saying.

And for those that ridicule muslims trying to unite the umma upon the sunnah of one man. Didnt Musa allay salam get brought up in the house of firuan? Didnt nabi SAw lead the shahaba in mecca which was darrul kufr. I ask you were is darrul Islam? Please dnt say saudi, a land which is aligned with American and is a supporter of kufr, which on top of that is ruled by a taghut. In fact Uk is one of the best places for Dawa as a muslim one just has to see how many daees have come from UK and how many ulema of huqq are here. 

That website is bogus, he says Abu Isa is like a kaffir but not a kaffir. Because he dosnt rule by shariah. There is a difference between cant and wont rule by shariah. King fahad CAN rule by full shariah and so can the other tawagheet rulers, but they choose not to. Abu Isa is working to establish shariah upon a land, so I aks what about Ali Ra when he couldnt kill the khawarij, or Uthman when the khawarij placed him in house arrest? In fact Ali asked for the bayah of muwawiyah inorder to kill the khawarij, because he didnt have the ability. Please muslimeen fear Allah and study a issue atleast before mocking it. Walakium as salam if you wanna see the other site of the argument try visiting www.unifiedummah.com (http://www.unifiedummah.com)

Mansoor Ali

29th May 2005, 12:26 AM

In the*******unifiedummah.com website it states 

Really, there is no 'us'- for we are not a group but just Muslims from the Muslim ummah who have fulfilled the duty of uniting under the Amirul Mu'mineen

These people are lying.

They are full of hizbiyya. 

I attended one of their gatherings near Slough, Berkshire in June 2001 where they tried to convince me to give baya to Abu Isa. 

They are neo-Khawaarij shaytaans who make takfeer of the Muslims and these people are also anti jihaad. Thet told me that there was no jihaad in Bosnia, Chechnya and Kashmir.

One of them told me that he doesn't know if the imaam of Slough mosque is a Muslim.

Muslims must ignore the stupid filth that these people say.

abdul muntaqim

5th June 2005, 05:23 AM

mansoor ali, please give me the names of the people who said this, and il verify for you. BEcause i have never ever heard any1 claim that these places where not places of jihad. Again you have come with usless slander and i remind you 2 fear Allah before you cause your own destruction.

Mansoor Ali

5th June 2005, 06:18 AM

Again you have come with usless slander 

You have lied. The discussion happened four years ago and there is no point in mentioning names.

The call of these people is not the call of Islaam but the call to the way of the khawaarij.

These people regard Muslims to be misguided or kuffaar if they disagree with them, and I am talking from experience.

What do you mean again I have come up with slander? When was the previous time?

Ibn_Dhiraar

6th June 2005, 04:20 PM

So brother*******Shaq you’re saying that Abu Isa didn’t abandon praying behind Sheikh ‘Abdullaah ‘Azzaam? I mean, if people say that Abu Isa did abandon praying behind ‘Abdullaah ‘Azzaam because he didn’t make takfeer on certain people like Zia ul-Haqq. I think that is quite understandable and does not seem far fetched and does not seem to be a big lie,*******since all the muslims*******I met on the bay’ah refuse to pray behind in the jamaa’ah at the masaajid around my area. They pray on their own. This is something I’ve witnessed myself. And the Imaams leading the prayer were not mushrikoon or even close to that. Stupid really. I thought they were supposed to unite the ummah not cause division by not praying behind the*******muslims imaams.******* Anyways, has Abu Isa changed his stance on “verifying people’s Islaam” before he can call them Muwahhid/Muslim etc. And have you guys “verified Sheikh Abu Basir’s Islaam” yet??

I know one of my brothers met some brothers under the bay’ah to Abu Isa and they said that those who know the evidences that we bring and do not give bay’ah are kuffaar, because they have rejected the ahaadeeth of unity and bay’ah and immaamah etc. And there are brothers who left the bay’ah in Paakistaan and <country-region /><place />Bangladesh</place /></country-region /> and consequently takfeer was made on them because “they have rejected the quraan and sunnah” all because they didn’t recognize Abu Isa a Ameer ul-Mu’mineen anymore.



Yes*******I did say daleel, but daleel has to be on the correct understanding. And so far all the people of knowledge are rejecting Abu Isa as the Khaleefah. And before you say “the majority of the people of knowledge are corrupt and government scholars” and the likes, there are sincere people of knowledge upon the correct ‘aqeedah who have rejected Abu Isa as the khaleefah. 

In clarifying what Ibn_Dhiraar said that it is only the "juhhaal youth", I find this very insulting the way you perceive those upon the Imarah of Abu Isa, and see this as slander. Thus ask forgiveness from Allah and give back the right of those whom you have slandered or on that Day it will be taken from you.

I said this out of witnessing the behaviour of certain in*******the jamaa'ah*******and for sure they are extremely juhhal. Making takfeer on the ‘ulemaa without knowing the conditions of takfeer.*******I did not say all of you are ignorant. 



salam mu alaikum. Bro what a load of rubbish, Abu Isa had******* been given bayah long after Shayke Abdullah Azzam died. All your doing is carrying tales, fear Allah. Nabi SAW said "The one who carries tales will be forbidden the garden." Abu Dawood.

Akhi no one said Abu Isa was giving bay’ah while sheikh ‘Abdullaah ‘Azzaam rahimahullah*******was alive. 

When has anyone under the bayah or even Abu Isa ever claimed that if one doesnt give bayah they are kuffar? 

Well, actually, I was told that if I and other brothers I know reject the bay’ah*******and imaamate of*******Abu Isa*******AFTER the evidence is shown to me about why Abu Isa is the khaleefah, then I am a kaaffir because I have “rejected the evidences and not submitted myself to the evidences.” And this has not just happened to me, but has happened to many many people I know. 

Maybe these people were extremists within the jamaa'ah akhi.*******



Brother and you cannot brush this all of and say it is not true. It i lies etc etc.*******Since there is too many trustworthy brothers narrating this type of tendency from some brothers in that jamaa'ah. But maybe some of you have changed, even Abu Isa may have changed from being an extreme takfeeri, just admit*******that either he has changed*******or not, and u have takfeeris in your jamaah, because you cannot cover up the fact that there are very extreme people in your jamaa'ah.

Umm

27th April 2007, 11:28 PM

Is this the same guy I have heard about form Slough? The one who has his followers give up their passports to him, while he retains his own one?

Turaabie

28th April 2007, 12:11 AM

Yep!

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defenderofbusharraf

28th April 2007, 02:17 AM

slough? man, the last time i heard of slough was from a brother who told me about some dodgy "halal" fried chicken shops using imported meat from holland i think, tagged halal but actually were fed on minced pig meat or something like that, whateva it was haram anyways, and his cousin told him that cuz he sw the boxes once outside 2 places and it was from the same company that was mentioned on some tv report. madness, and also isnt that where they make mars bars? baaaare brothers work at mars making factory, so buy mars, support their jobs, just dont buy king size, watch ur blood sugar.