"My Jihad" by Aukai Collins

[Sepahunt22]

Has anybody ever heard of Aukai Collins, an Irish-American man who converted to Islam and supposedly fought in Chechnya with Amir Ibn Al-Khataab? He later wrote a book titled "My Jihad". Is this guy legitimate?

[Suhaib Jobst]

Has anybody ever heard of Aukai Collins, an Irish-American man who converted to Islam and supposedly fought in Chechnya with Amir Ibn Al-Khataab? He later wrote a book titled "My Jihad". Is this guy legitimate?

He actually did fight there with the Mujahideen, but spoke out against Al-Qa'ida and what he considers "terrorism". He became an FBI informant against so-called "terrorists", as he is quick to make a distinction between that and what he accepts as the legitimate Jihad in Chechnya. The man might be sincere, but he sold out his Muslim brothers and tried to make a quick buck at the same time.

[gag order]

aukai collins?

first and foremost he is an FBI informer, he incriminates himself and criminalises jihad in his book 'my jihad' his treachory and betrayal has been documented by his own hands.

[Brother_Mujahid]

He is just a loudmouth trying to get attention.

[JayshAllah]

I read his book, and I thought the book was excellent. May Allah reward Aukai Collins. His book is very sincere and honest.

He actually did fight there with the Mujahideen, but spoke out against Al-Qa'ida and what he considers "terrorism". He became an FBI informant against so-called "terrorists", as he is quick to make a distinction between that and what he accepts as the legitimate Jihad in Chechnya.

Aukai Collins very rightfully differentiated between the real Muhajideen (who do not target civilians) and terrorists (who target civilians). This is a distinction that must be made, and the latter (the terrorists) have tarnished the name of Jihad. What the terrorists do is NOT Jihad, but rather it is misguidance and cowardice.

It is STRICTLY HARAM (FORBIDDEN) to target human civilians, and rather there is an entire chapter in Sahih Bukhari in regards to avoiding taking innocent lives during times of Jihad. I can quote high ranked Salafi scholars who would concur. Shaykh Salih Munajjid forbade suicide bombings altogether.

first and foremost he is an FBI informer,

He actually left the FBI and repudiates them in his book, after he realized that the FBI was unwilling to differentiate between REAL Mujahideen and terrorists.

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It is a great book and it is highly recommended!

[gag order]

It is STRICTLY HARAM (FORBIDDEN) to target human civilians


yes offcourse, but it is still no justification to betray his fellows to the enemy nor is it a reason to abandon jihad altogether as he has done.



He actually left the FBI and repudiates them in his book, after he realized that the FBI was unwilling to differentiate between REAL Mujahideen and terrorists.



the penny drop late !

[Suhaib Jobst]

Aukai Collins very rightfully differentiated between the real Muhajideen (who do not target civilians) and terrorists (who target civilians).

The problem with your message is it relies too much on the propaganda of our enemies, who have the audacity to whine about "innocents" allegedly targeted by Al-Qa'ida, while they level entire villages and cities, killing thousands of nameless "collateral"! This is the most sickening of double standard, and I am tired of hearing Muslims parrot this filthy propaganda endlessly.

Our enemies have made clear their agenda, and it is not to aid the cause of Islam and the Muslims. If you think you are the ones they have in mind when they talk about "moderate Islam", then you have a lot to learn. But please tell me, what is the agenda of you and other brothers, you whine about "terrorists" but not a peep about the REAL terrorism of the Zionists and US government?

The deaths of 9/11 and anything else you can even think of tracing to Al-Qa'ida are not even a drop in the ocean compared to the bloodstained record of the Zionists and American imperialist system. What are you brothers who do this selective outrage, so ashamed of that you have to engage in these apologetics which are not worthy of the Muslims' honor and dignity?

This is a distinction that must be made, and the latter (the terrorists) have tarnished the name of Jihad. What the terrorists do is NOT Jihad, but rather it is misguidance and cowardice.

"Terrorists" is nothing but a term invented by Kuffar - it has no place in Islam. It is a concept of Kuffar, foreign to the Islamic worldview. We don't need these concepts, but we need to look at Qur'an and Sunnah. What about the Qur'an, which called upon the Muslim warriors to strike fear and TERROR into the hearts of their enemies (Surah al-Anfal, 8:60)? Is it only terror if it is Boeing, but not a B-52 or F-16 or Apache helicopter?

I can quote high ranked Salafi scholars who would concur. Shaykh Salih Munajjid forbade suicide bombings altogether.

Rather than restricting yourself to this strict dichotomy of false "Salafiyyah", I would advise you broaden your horizons and open your mind. I can point you to another "high ranked" (there are no clerical hierarchies in Islam) Salafi scholar, who justified martyrdom operations ("suicide bombings"); suicide is killing yourself out of desperation or for personal reasons, whereas martyrdom is dying in the cause of Allah, seeking only His Face, the rewards of Jannah, and the worldly victory of the Muslims....

In Saheeh Mawaarid ath-Thimaan for ash-Shaykh al-Albani, (published after his death) 'alayhi rahmatullah, he says in volume two, page 119, after explaining the popular hadeeth of Abi Ayoob, regarding the saying of Allah tabaraka wa ta'ala: walaa tulqoo bi aydiykum ilat-tahlukah, he said, paraphrasing:

"And in this popular story is evidence for what is known today as 'suicide operations', which some of the youth of Islam go about doing to the enemies of Allah, but for this act [to be permissable] are certain conditions, and from the most important of them: For this action to be solely done for the face of Allah and to give victory to the religion of Allah, not for showing off, or repuation, or bravery, or being depressed from life." {END}

So we cannot take a certain action and cast the slighest aspersions upon the character of the Muslims, as this opens up a dangerous door which is better left shut. Rather, we judge based on the apparent action of the Muslims. The "evidence" used against martyrdom operations, include the ayat about the Muslims who destroy themselves, which refers to those who hold back and squander their wealth; and the hadeeth about the man who stabbed himself, but he was not on the battlefield at the time when he committed suicide, which is clearly different than the martyrdom operations.

He actually left the FBI and repudiates them in his book, after he realized that the FBI was unwilling to differentiate between REAL Mujahideen and terrorists.

But it is clearly prohibited to spy or aid the Kuffar, in any capacity, against the Muslims, regardless of what you think about the actions of the latter. One's allegiance has to be with Islam and the Muslims, this is a matter of Usool ad-Deen. Even if you may reject this clear opinion, it is naivete of the highest degree to believe the FBI would even for once have the best interests of the Muslims in mind. Remember: "The Believer is not stung from the same hole twice."

[JayshAllah]

The problem with your message is it relies too much on the propaganda of our enemies,

My message relies only upon the Quran and Sunnah.

who have the audacity to whine about "innocents" allegedly targeted by Al-Qa'ida, while they level entire villages and cities, killing thousands of nameless "collateral"! This is the most sickening of double standard, and I am tired of hearing Muslims parrot this filthy propaganda endlessly.

Double-standard? Yes, it is a double-standard of the West, but it is not *my* double-standard. I condemn both the acts of terrorism by so-called Muslims and the acts of state terrorism by the West.

Our enemies have made clear their agenda, and it is not to aid the cause of Islam and the Muslims. If you think you are the ones they have in mind when they talk about "moderate Islam", then you have a lot to learn.

When did I differ upon this?

But please tell me, what is the agenda of you and other brothers, you whine about "terrorists" but not a peep about the REAL terrorism of the Zionists and US government?

Agenda of me? Do you even know me? lol It is amazing how presumptious you are. I'm known for *always* "whining" about the state terrorism of Zionists and the West.

The deaths of 9/11 and anything else you can even think of tracing to Al-Qa'ida are not even a drop in the ocean compared to the bloodstained record of the Zionists and American imperialist system.

It is correct that the blood on the hands of Israel and the West far outsurpasses that of any blood on the hands of Muslim terrorists. Yes, the West/Israel have killed far more innocents than any Muslim terrorists. Having said that, this does not justify what the Muslim terrorists are doing. Killing one million or one billion innocent Muslim lives does not at all justify the taking of even one innocent civilian life. A Mujahideen must never adopt the tactics of the disbelievers. Two wrongs do not make a right.

If the West/Israel kill civilians, then this is the way of the disbelievers and not the Path of the believers.

What are you brothers who do this selective outrage,

You have no idea who I am or what I do. No single person has the right to claim that I engage in "selective outrage".

so ashamed of that you have to engage in these apologetics which are not worthy of the Muslims' honor and dignity?

I am not being apologetic at all. I'm criticizing you, not defending against Orientalists. I condemn terrorism no matter what, and my condemnation of it is unaffected by who the audience is.

"Terrorists" is nothing but a term invented by Kuffar - it has no place in Islam.

Ridicolous. That's like saying "computer" is a word invented by Kufaar and that it has no place in Islam.

It is a concept of Kuffar, foreign to the Islamic worldview.

Are you ignorant of an entire chapter in Sahih Bukhari which forbids the taking of innocent lives during warfare?

What about the Qur'an, which called upon the Muslim warriors to strike fear and TERROR into the hearts of their enemies (Surah al-Anfal, 8:60)?

The word "terror" and "terrorism" are distinct and you are conflating the two words, much like the Orientalists do.

who justified martyrdom operations ("suicide bombings");

You can justify anything, if you really try.

So we cannot take a certain action and cast the slighest aspersions upon the character of the Muslims, as this opens up a dangerous door which is better left shut. Rather, we judge based on the apparent action of the Muslims. The "evidence" used against martyrdom operations, include the ayat about the Muslims who destroy themselves, which refers to those who hold back and squander their wealth; and the hadeeth about the man who stabbed himself, but he was not on the battlefield at the time when he committed suicide, which is clearly different than the martyrdom operations.

There is a preponderous ammount of evidence to rule against suicide bombing.

Even if you may reject this clear opinion, it is naivete of the highest degree to believe the FBI would even for once have the best interests of the Muslims in mind. Remember: "The Believer is not stung from the same hole twice."

Aukai Collins made a mistake by going to the FBI and he realized that. However, having said that, if an American Muslim knows of a terrorist attack on US soil, then it his duty to inform the American authorities about it.

yes offcourse, but it is still no justification to betray his fellows to the enemy nor is it a reason to abandon jihad altogether as he has done.

Terrorists ruin the good name of Jihad. The Sunni ressistance in Iraq issued a statement recently saying that they CONDEMN the Al-Qaeda types (i.e. the terrorists) and want them out of the country. So there is a difference between freedom fighters (i.e. the Sunni ressistance) and terrorists, so much so that now there is a rift between the two in Iraq, with the former condemning the latter and demanding that the latter leave Iraq.

the penny drop late !

Not really. He did not hurt any Muslim.

I accept the way of Salah Ad-Deen Ayyoubi [r], who was from those who revived the concept of Jihad and who never harmed civilians. If you study the Crusades, you will find out that the Muslims were in a similar situation back then, and that the Muslim Ummah was asleep and did not even know what Jihad was. Then arose Nur Ad-Deen [r] and Salah Ad-Deen [r] who mobilized the Ummah for Jihad and to free occupied Al-Quds. And yet, they were so noble with their conduct towards Non-Muslims that even today the Non-Muslims remember that. This is the path of the Muslims.

Let us reject the first path of "liberal" and "progressive" Muslim apologetics who love the West.
Let us reject the second path of the "neo-Khawaarij" and terrorist Al-Qaeda types who are nothing short of heretics.
Let us accept instead the third path of Salah Ad-Deen Ayyoubi [r].

Fi Aman Allah,
Jaysh.

[Umm]

He actually left the FBI and repudiates them in his book, after he realized that the FBI was unwilling to differentiate between REAL Mujahideen and terrorists.


It is more probable that the FBI ditched him, once he served his purpose. Perhaps this is what made the penny drop. What made him think that they would leave "real" mujaahideen. They are not as ignorant as the Muslim masses like to delude themselves into thinking. Any jihaad is bad news to them, as it is to strengthen Islaam. They only tolerate (and sometimes facilitate) such jihaads e.g.the Afghan/Soviet conflict when there is a common enemy. When they themselves are the enemy is is, understandably, a different story.

[Suhaib Jobst]

I condemn both the acts of terrorism by so-called Muslims and the acts of state terrorism by the West.

Your posts focus solely on the former, to the exclusion of the latter. Even while you criticize "Khawarij" for making takfeer, like other Madkhali SP types, you make clear takfeer ("by so-called Muslims"). And you have openly called upon Muslims to cooperate with the Kaffir authorities against other Muslims, asserting the FBI "supported the real Mujahideen".

So I don't see at all where you're condemning the real terrorists, i.e. those who use their air power and superior technology to terrorize entire countries and bomb them into submission.

When did I differ upon this?

Because your rhetoric plays directly into the hands of the enemies of Islam. They want us to turn into apologetic cowards who are humiliated by this Deen which calls for a different order than the one directly implemented around the world. They do not want Muslims who call for ruling according to Shari'ah or who recognize the importance of Jihad, in leading not only to the liberation of the Muslim countries but in striving towards an Islamic revival.

Having said that, this does not justify what the Muslim terrorists are doing. Killing one million or one billion innocent Muslim lives does not at all justify the taking of even one innocent civilian life. A Mujahideen must never adopt the tactics of the disbelievers. Two wrongs do not make a right.

But you automatically presume these Muslims deliberately target innocents. This is a far-too vague term; does it include those contractors who are essentially a private army, for example? Although this subject is covered by a number of rules and guidelines, the retribution raid is a part of Islam.

You have no idea who I am or what I do. No single person has the right to claim that I engage in "selective outrage".

I judge merely by what is apparent to me, so prove me wrong otherwise.

Ridicolous. That's like saying "computer" is a word invented by Kufaar and that it has no place in Islam.

The key difference is that "terrorism" has become a hyped smokescreen, used by groups with certain agendas to criticize any Muslim who engages in Jihad or who calls for implementation of Shari'ah law. It has become a means by which Muslims judge other Muslims, it is clearly a tool of dissension planted by the likes of the tawagheet and their ignorant supporters.

Are you ignorant of an entire chapter in Sahih Bukhari which forbids the taking of innocent lives during warfare?

What I wrote earlier applies here as well. This is a vague term and one has to specify what is meant, rather than condemning a certain group of Muslims across the board as "terrorists who take innocent lives".

However, having said that, if an American Muslim knows of a terrorist attack on US soil, then it his duty to inform the American authorities about it.

Let us assume there is a threat of an attack which is contrary to Islamic moral and ethical laws. There are still far more avenues to prevent such an occurrence without resorting to tawagheet authorities who are not looking out for our interests. Also, turning in a Muslim to a Kaffir is clearly an act of Kufr. The Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said we stop our brothers from oppressing; among ourselves, not by committing an act of Kufr, may Allah (Subhanahu wa-Ta'ala) protect us from this. Ameen.

[abu_ibrahim]

Jaysh of Taghoot is a more deserving name. May Allah purify our ranks. Ameen.

[gag order]

Terrorists ruin the good name of Jihad. The Sunni ressistance in Iraq issued a statement recently saying that they CONDEMN the Al-Qaeda types (i.e. the terrorists) and want them out of the country. So there is a difference between freedom fighters (i.e. the Sunni ressistance) and terrorists, so much so that now there is a rift between the two in Iraq, with the former condemning the latter and demanding that the latter leave Iraq

please do take your head out of the sand once in a while! the so called sunni resistance is largely of nationalist and baathist extraction who's service under US commanders has been duly noted. yes there is a rift between the two, this is becos some of the groups which you believe are the real mujahideen have abandoned jihad in favour of participation in the new democratic iraq under US supervision whilst they remain as occupiers.

these so called 'real' mujahideen have proven to be an effective counter measure against alqaida and others and have helped the coalition forces to consolidate their rule in former insurgent territories.

[Brother_Mujahid]

Aqil Collins is not quite the hero that Jaysh has convinced himself. His more recent history has exposed him as a foul-mouthed money grubber who uses people. Just ask all the people (Muslims and non-Muslims) that sent him money while he was in prison recently Mexico and how little gratitude he had toward them when he was released. Oh, you can also see his videos on YouTube.com where he is consorting with a bunch of spoiled, rich white girls. Hardly the great "mujahid" he would have us believe.

[JayshAllah]

Your posts focus solely on the former, to the exclusion of the latter.

That is because I have been on this forum for less than a week. :) You have not seen my posts on other forums. It is amazing that you could jump to a conclusion within such a short period of time. Masha-Allah!

Even while you criticize "Khawarij" for making takfeer, like other Madkhali SP types,

I am not Madkhali. :) Again, you with the presumptions!

If I was Madkhali, would I admire Shaheed Sayyid Qutb [r]?

you make clear takfeer ("by so-called Muslims").

I do not call you Kaafir, but rather you are a part of Ahl al-Bida.

And you have openly called upon Muslims to cooperate with the Kaffir authorities against other Muslims,

This applies only to those who live in Western countries under a covenant with them. And the so-called "cooperation" only refers to apprehending terrorists and stopping terrorist attacks on the soil of the country they live on. Please read the chapter in the Quran about covenants.

asserting the FBI "supported the real Mujahideen".

Huh? When did I ever assert such a thing? I think the FBI/CIA are dogs who have wrongfully imprisoned so many Muslims without trial/charge. As for the CIA, it is responsible for plotting against the Muslim Ummah for over fifty dedicated years.

So I don't see at all where you're condemning the real terrorists, i.e. those who use their air power and superior technology to terrorize entire countries and bomb them into submission.

I always condemn them for that. :) You just haven't seen me do it on this forum because the opportunity did not arise. :) I am very active on other forums, and over there I have condemned such actions on numerous occassions.

Don't get me wrong. I wholeheartedly agree that the biggest terrorists in the world are the Crusaders and Zionists.

Because your rhetoric plays directly into the hands of the enemies of Islam.

I think it is your rhetoric that plays into the hands of the enemies of Islam. It is you who conflates Muhajideen with terrorists, which is *exactly* what the West wants. The ability to differentiate between the two is VERY IMPORTANT, and the stupid terrorists are tarnishing the good name of Jihad.

They want us to turn into apologetic cowards who are humiliated by this Deen which calls for a different order than the one directly implemented around the world. They do not want Muslims who call for ruling according to Shari'ah or who recognize the importance of Jihad, in leading not only to the liberation of the Muslim countries but in striving towards an Islamic revival.

I do not disagree with you on this. I am the first to say that we need the removal of our corrupt leaders in the Muslim lands and the implementation of the Shariah.

But you automatically presume these Muslims deliberately target innocents. This is a far-too vague term; does it include those contractors who are essentially a private army, for example? Although this subject is covered by a number of rules and guidelines, the retribution raid is a part of Islam.

Were the people working in the World Trade Center part of some private army that I am unfamiliar with?

I judge merely by what is apparent to me, so prove me wrong otherwise.

And yet, this is not the Sunnah to judge without knowledge. If you do not have enough information, then refrain from passing judgment. It is not necessary that you stupidly pass judgment on what is apparent to you only.

The key difference is that "terrorism" has become a hyped smokescreen, used by groups with certain agendas to criticize any Muslim who engages in Jihad or who calls for implementation of Shari'ah law.

Yes, definitely the Crusaders would like to conflate terrorism with Jihad. And yet, *you* are one of the reasons that the West has such an easy time doing this! It is *you* who is conflating terrorism with Jihad! We should make it abundantly clear that blowing up a bus of civilians is TERRORISM and it is NOT Jihad. On the other hand, we should make it abundantly clear that a 17 year old Chechen fighting with his life against Russian tanks is a Muhajid and a freedom-fighter!

On both ends of the spectrum, we have idiots who wish to conflate the two concepts. Both Usamah and Bush wish that there is no difference between Jihad and terrorism. And yet, they are both wrong!

Aqil Collins is not quite the hero that Jaysh has convinced himself. His more recent history has exposed him as a foul-mouthed money grubber who uses people. Just ask all the people (Muslims and non-Muslims) that sent him money while he was in prison recently Mexico and how little gratitude he had toward them when he was released. Oh, you can also see his videos on YouTube.com where he is consorting with a bunch of spoiled, rich white girls. Hardly the great "mujahid" he would have us believe.

I only read his book and I am unfamiliar with his life after that. Having said that, I feel that backbiting is Haram, but perhaps the Neo-Khawaarij have made this Halal as well. Shrug.

Seventy excuses. Especially for a man who lost a leg for Islam in the battlefield of Chechnya. When I read his book, I did not like the fact that he used foul language from time to time, but I made seventy excuses for him.

And I'll make seventy more for anything else about him. Here, we have some 17 year old pimply faced wannabes criticizing a man who *actually* fought in a *real* Jihad.

One thing I loved about his book is that he makes a huge differentiation between Jihad and terrorism.

Purity of arms is a part and parcel of Jihad.

[Brother_Mujahid]

You are quite arrogant my young friend. You can disregard what I have said, calling me a "neo-Khawaarij" (though I mentioned nothing about takfir) and accusing me of backbiting (though the events I mentioned are public), but you are the one who admits your own ignorance about Aqil Collins. Since this is the case perhaps you shouldn't be so condescending. I realize you have some kind of romantic (as in idealized), teenage facination with Collins, but some of us live in the real world and don't have our minds fogged with such childish notions.

As for pimply-faced teenagers, well you're the one with the boyish self-deceptions about Collins (and I only wish I was still a teenager). But go ahead, continue to think of Collins as being something from an Ernest Hemingway novel.

[JayshAllah]

accusing me of backbiting (though the events I mentioned are public),

So in your esteemed and ever so knowledgeable opinion, backbiting refers only to that which is not public?

Would you like to stick by this statement of yours?

Or would you like to revise it Insha-Allah?

Do you guys follow the Quran and Sunnah...at all? Or are the Quran and Sunnah just a list of suggestions to you?

About Collins, all I know is that Insha-Allah one of his legs is already promised Paradise.

[Skillganon]

I wonder where this is heading?
Any suggestion?

Well it is all good, get all those emotion out in the open.

[gag order]

you make 70 excuses for anyone that works with enemy forces against other muslims, then it should be no trouble for you to make 70 excuses for the largely imagined neo-kahwarij too..

[Brother_Mujahid]

So in your esteemed and ever so knowledgeable opinion, backbiting refers only to that which is not public?

Would you like to stick by this statement of yours?

Or would you like to revise it Insha-Allah?

Do you guys follow the Quran and Sunnah...at all? Or are the Quran and Sunnah just a list of suggestions to you?

About Collins, all I know is that Insha-Allah one of his legs is already promised Paradise.

Give me a break. Your blind devotion to Aqil Collins has nothing to do with the Qur'an and Sunnah. Again, stop being so arrogant and condescending. You yourself admitted that you don't know anything about Collins, beyond the nice little story he wrote, so I don't know why you persist in arguing with me when I do know more about him than you. You seem like the type that isn't interested in principles, but rather flashy personalities.

If you want to have deluded views about Collins, be my guest. Don't expect the rest of us, some who know more directly a thing or two about Collins, to follow you down that particular rabbit hole. Grow up!

[gag order]

About Collins, all I know is that Insha-Allah one of his legs is already promised Paradise.

and what about the rest of his body? you are forgetting the narration about the show boating mujahid who would be flung into the depths of hell for seeking fame and fortune in allah's path.

aukai collins is perhaps such a person, his true motives were unravelled when he gave interviews to soldier of fortune magazine..

[JayshAllah]

and what about the rest of his body? you are forgetting the narration about the show boating mujahid who would be flung into the depths of hell for seeking fame and fortune in allah's path.

aukai collins is perhaps such a person, his true motives were unravelled when he gave interviews to soldier of fortune magazine..

We were not sent to look inside the hearts, and yet you are judging what is inside a man's heart, negating his outward actions by purporting to know what is inside his heart.

As for the show-boating Mujahid, the Prophet [s] said that Allah despises the swaggering walk on all occassions except for the Mujahid on the battlefield, as it instills fear into the hearts of the forces of Taghoot and it inspires and motivates other Muslims.

[Abuz Zubair]

Bro Jaysh,

I read the book as well and the impression I get is that he's just an adventurous American who's too full of himself. It doesn't reflect a Muslim character. Later he got done by the FBI for advertising himself as a hitman, cuz he couldn't find a better job.

[Abu Ilyas]

We were not sent to look inside the hearts, and yet you are judging what is inside a man's heart, negating his outward actions by purporting to know what is inside his heart.

As for the show-boating Mujahid, the Prophet [s] said that Allah despises the swaggering walk on all occassions except for the Mujahid on the battlefield, as it instills fear into the hearts of the forces of Taghoot and it inspires and motivates other Muslims.

Well If I am not mistaken then this Aukai Collins left Islam and subsequently became a Christian evangelical.

So I dont think his leg or any other part of his anatomy is going to Paradise anytime soon.

[JayshAllah]

Well If I am not mistaken then this Aukai Collins left Islam and subsequently became a Christian evangelical.


It is altogether *amazing* how the Muslims can sit here and *slander* not only another Muslim brother, but a white convert to Islam who risked his life defending the lives of Muslims of another country to whom he has absolutely no blood relation with at all!

How *dare* you claim that he turned into a Christian? I seek refuge in the Lord of the Worlds from the slander with which you so callously say! Brother Aukai Collins is *still* very much a Muslim, no thanks to the ingratitude of so many immigrant Muslims towards him.

I read the book as well and the impression I get is that he's just an adventurous American who's too full of himself. It doesn't reflect a Muslim character.

Then, I think we read a different book altogether. :)

The book I read showed a man who risked everything, faced death in the eyes, all for the Muslim Ummah and Allah. If he was "just an adventure-seeking American", then he could easily have signed up to fight in Iraq with the US Army and or he could have gone mountain climbing or a million other things...but instead, he decided to fight for the Sake of Allah.

Let us analyze his life story. First of all, he was Irish in ethnicity. Growing up, he was NOT a Muslim. He lost his dad very early on, and then he witnessed his own mom being taken to her death, right in front of his eyes, at a very tender age. Then, he entered a world of crime that he had inherited from his parents, and he landed in jail for that. Following me so far?

Then, whilst in jail, the black Muslims managed to convert him to Islam. He was one of the only white converts in jail. Did he convert, in your opinion, for some adventure? Is this how we immigrant Muslims show our appreciation of converts?

Now if we just ended his story right there, that would be enough for me to be impressed with the guy. How amazing it is that a man left a world of crime in order to accept Islam. I was already impressed by this point in time. But I guess you guys are just a real tough crowd. I guess this is a natural result of you people being so pious and righteuos. Masha-Allah, if only I had this piety of yours then I too could be so judgmental.

Later he got done by the FBI for advertising himself as a hitman, cuz he couldn't find a better job.

And how many war veterans have a difficult time finding a job? It's a very COMMON problem so I don't blame him for going to find other odd jobs to support himself. Who wants to hire a cripple with a history of fighting Jihad?

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Is this how you people view the Mujahideen? This is the praise they get from you? On the one hand, you all praise the people who blow up little kids, but when it comes to a real Mujahid then it is all scorn?

Anyways, if you have nothing good to say about brother Aukai Collins, then Insha-Allah remain quiet/silent. Is that not the Sunnah? Is it or is it not? I still haven't gotten a response to that. Instead, I get side arguments.

[Umm Ahmed]

Isn't there any proof for what's being written here ? A story of how someone came to Islaam can never be the basis of how he will turn out years down the road, many reverts ( and I am one ) end up far from the middle path that is Islaam , we can be a muslim in the morning and a kaffir at night , May Allaah guide and protect us Ameen.

[gag order]

Then, I think we read a different book altogether.

your just impressionable are you not?

The book I read showed a man who risked everything, faced death in the eyes, all for the Muslim Ummah and Allah. If he was "just an adventure-seeking American", then he could easily have signed up to fight in Iraq with the US Army

historical incosistency?

And how many war veterans have a difficult time finding a job? It's a very COMMON problem so I don't blame him for going to find other odd jobs to support himself. Who wants to hire a cripple with a history of fighting Jihad?

then why doesnt he just go back to the chechen jihad and lose the other leg too? i'm sure his skills and experience will help him find employment in iraq or afghanistan or is he just another example of 'jihad for the sake of america?'

[Abuz Zubair]

JayshAllah, this is very naive on your part, I must say.

You cannot judge whether or not his account is authentic, and how he is looked up by other mujahidin, amongst whom he fought, until you get their views on him.

You'll have to trust me on this one ;)

[1mran]

Isn't there any proof for what's being written here ? A story of how someone came to Islaam can never be the basis of how he will turn out years down the road, many reverts ( and I am one ) end up far from the middle path that is Islaam , we can be a muslim in the morning and a kaffir at night , May Allaah guide and protect us Ameen.

Its True, Allah guides who He wills.


Narrated Zaid bin Khalid Al-Juhani:

The Prophet led us in the Fajr prayer at Hudaibiya after a rainy night. On completion of the prayer, he faced the people and said, "Do you know what your Lord has said (revealed)?" The people replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "Allah has said, 'In this morning some of my slaves remained as true believers and some became non-believers; whoever said that the rain was due to the Blessings and the Mercy of Allah had belief in Me and he disbelieves in the stars, and whoever said that it rained because of a particular star had no belief in Me but believes in that star.' "

[Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12, Number 807]

[JayshAllah]

then why doesnt he just go back to the chechen jihad and lose the other leg too?

Why don't *you* ?

JayshAllah, this is very naive on your part, I must say.

You cannot judge whether or not his account is authentic, and how he is looked up by other mujahidin, amongst whom he fought, until you get their views on him.

You'll have to trust me on this one ;)

I disagree with you, Brother. And there is no need to call me "naive" Insha-Allah. Simply saying you disagree is enough.

Let us Insha-Allah make seventy excuses especially for a man who lost a leg for the Cause of Allah. Let's not be like Shia who look for ulterior motives everywhere, who say such things about Abu Sufyan [ra] who similarly lost an eye in Jihad, and yet the Shia question his motives saying that he just went to Jihad for glory and recognition.

From an Islamic perspective, you all are on a very weak footing. I urge you all to read what constitutes backbiting. Furthermore, please read the very clear Hadith by the Prophet [s] in which he says to either say something good or remain silent.

[Abuz Zubair]

Dear brother,

There are people who have lost their entire families, and ended up selling their faith.

We cannot be naive in this day and age, especially when we have no experience in these sort of things.

The guys who have recently been charged were all set up by this another guy called Q who is on the run and being protected by the UK government. This much is too obvious. But the guys who got done were too naive and hence fell for his plot.

These sort of shady figures should not be given any credit or position. If they ever use and abuse their position, then the only ones to blame are those who gave him credit and position.

You don't know the guy. You've never met the guy. For you to accept everything he has to say at face value is extremely naive.

[gag order]

From an Islamic perspective, you all are on a very weak footing. I urge you all to read what constitutes backbiting. Furthermore, please read the very clear Hadith by the Prophet [s] in which he says to either say something good or remain silent.

perhaps you should adopt this in your attitude towards the imaginary neo-khwarij...

Let's not be like Shia who look for ulterior motives everywhere, who say such things about Abu Sufyan [ra] who similarly lost an eye in Jihad, and yet the Shia question his motives saying that he just went to Jihad for glory and recognition.

abu sufyan never wrote a book or gave interviews to the infidels betraying the supposed errors of his fellows nor did he abandoned jihad in favour of collaboration.

[y-mughal]

The guys who have recently been charged were all set up by this another guy called Q who is on the run and being protected by the UK government. This much is too obvious. But the guys who got done were too naive and hence fell for his plot.


What a load of rubbish. Who says he's on the run and being protected by the British government?

[abu_ibrahim]

This is the first time I am hearing this "Q guy" was a agent. The leader of the group was Omar Khyam.

[JayshAllah]

perhaps you should adopt this in your attitude towards the imaginary neo-khwarij...

Please tell me which of them I have named and shamed? I talk about them in general terms, as is the Sunnah for sinners. On the other hand, you have violated the Sunnah by specifically mentioning one person by name and shaming him. There is a difference between saying something generally without naming names, and with pointing to one specific person and saying they are this or that.

Do you understand the difference or should I produce daleel to back my position up?

Additionally, even if I was wrong (though I am not), then does this somehow justify your position? Do two wrongs make a right?

Can you please stick to the topic at hand. Is it Islamically right to attack a brother's character when he is not here to defend himself? Please I beg you to answer with a simple yes or no.

[JayshAllah]

What a load of rubbish. Who says he's on the run and being protected by the British government?

What in the world are you guys talking about anyways? Who guys on the run? What does this have to do with Aukai Collins?

[Abuz Zubair]

This is the first time I am hearing this "Q guy" was a agent. The leader of the group was Omar Khyam.
Ppl who have been dealing with the case have known all along that the whole thing was just a set up.

Panorama documentary just confirmed it. Q set them up.

[Abuz Zubair]

Bro Jaysh, unfortunately, you cannot be told more.

If you do not take the advice, it is entirely up to you.

[Abu_Zahid]

Ppl who have been dealing with the case have known all along that the whole thing was just a set up.

Panorama documentary just confirmed it. Q set them up.

Can u elaborate pls bro?

[Abuz Zubair]

Watch this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/6476207.stm

[JayshAllah]

Bro Jaysh, unfortunately, you cannot be told more.

Let us agree to disagree, brother.


If you do not take the advice, it is entirely up to you.

The same can be said for you, sir. :)

Anyways, let's agree to disagree Insha-Allah.

[1mran]

Ppl who have been dealing with the case have known all along that the whole thing was just a set up.

Panorama documentary just confirmed it. Q set them up.

whats was Q's full name?

[Abuz Zubair]

Abdul-Qayyum or something, I think... click the link I gave you to watch the program.

[knowrass]

what's the ruling on "Q" from an islamic perspective? would he be considered a traitor, a sell-out..?

[1mran]

Abdul-Qayyum or something, I think... click the link I gave you to watch the program.


i couldnt find it, the link was to an article.


As for a traitor, would he be called a Murtad?

[abu_ibrahim]

The same can be said for you, sir. :)

Anyways, let's agree to disagree Insha-Allah.

Ignorance is indeed bliss.

[Abuz Zubair]

Well, we don't exactly know what he's responsible for. From what it seems at the moment... He was the British angel charged with providing the citizens with their regular doze of nightmares. He was working for the spooks.

[Abu Saifudeen]

Even though there seems to be some speculation as to my professed religion, I will nevertheless start this post by greeting you all with As Salaamu Alaikum.

Since returning from Mexico I have maintained something of an internet silence. I have, though, managed to track most of the things being said about me in various forums and on various sites. I have read a wide range of posts concerning myself and my book. Some have been good and some have been bad. Some people defend me and others express an outright hatred. This isn't anything new. That has been the pattern of my life since the beginning.

I have been back in the U.S. for nearly a year now. To date I haven't felt the urge to reply to anything being said about me whether good or bad. That has now changed with some of the posts in this thread. The word anger doesn't adequately convey the emotions that some of the posts here have raised inside of me.

I really don't mind it when I read the words of some Kaffir posting garbage about me. That I am a "psycho" has been asserted so many times that I only laugh at those types of posts. Call me an asshole, call me whatever you feel it is that I am, but this time the line has been crossed. For a Muslim to assert that I am a "Christian evangelical" is beyond outrageous. Call me a traitor if you wish. That would be an understandable, albeit incorrect (which I will get to in a second), opinion to have. But a Christian??? What in the world is wrong with you? I would become an atheist and completely deny the existence of a God before I became a Christian. Whether or not Allah accepts me as a Muslim is not for me to say obviously. But no person with an ounce of common sense could believe in anything other than Islam once they have found it.

So I am stating for the record here and now, with the whole world that is the internet as my witness that I, Aukai Collins, aka Abu Mujahid, aka Aqil, aka Abu Saifudeen, profess myself as a MUSLIM. If it were permissible I would have ISLAM tattooed on my forehead to drive home this point. Further more, whosoever doesn't like the fact that I claim Islam as my deen, whether you are Muslim or Kaffir alike, can simply kiss my large white rear end. And allow me to elaborate on why I say that. If you are non-Muslim and do not like the fact that I profess my religion as Islam then the kissing of my rear is for obvious reasons. But if you are Muslim and you don't like that I say that I am Muslim then for you a simple kiss would not be enough. Obviously, only Allah decides who is Muslim and who is not. No man, especially another Muslim, will tell me that I can not believe in Allah. Shame on those of you who presume to dictate who can and who can not be a Muslim.

As for the accusations of "traitor"; obviously, only Allah knows what is in my heart. But I will tell all of you ferocious web warriors this. First of all, unless you've "been there" then your opinion really doesn't mean much to me anyway. But as everyone is entitled to an opinion my personal rule is that "traitor" is a fair assumption if you have only read about me, whether from my own writing or from the writings of others. I will even allow you to say this to my face one time. But, if after I have explained to you some things that are not readily apparent from merely reading about me, you attempt to call me a traitor again, well, I am still an American. I will not hesitate to open a big 'ole can of American whoop ass on you. And this applies equally to any American who calls me a traitor to my country. And before those of you on this forum start yelling about America being an enemy of Islam, notice that I said "my country" NOT "my government". That is a whole 'nother topic of discussion, but let it suffice to say that if all of you Muslims can be "Pakistanis’", "Saudis", "Egyptians", and so on, then I am damn sure going to be an "American".

I thought that I had made things fairly clear in my book regarding what I believed to be right and wrong, what my intentions were, and so forth. Seeing as there is so much speculation here, then allow me to touch on a couple of topics. I never, I repeat, never turned my back on Islam. I will be the first to admit that it was extremely stupid of me to assume that the American intelligence community was truly fighting against terrorism and not Islam it's self. But, as stupid as it was, that's exactly what I thought.

I made it clear from day one to those of whom I worked for, that I stood, and always would, stand behind the Mujahideen of Chechnya and wherever else true Mujahids were fighting. This was actually a stipulation before I agreed to sign on, that I would never betray the Chechens or any other Muslims fighting a legitimate Jihad. I was told that this was acceptable and would be respected.

The FBI did not "ditch" me as said by "Umm". How dare you even assume this. I described the end of my relation with the American intelligence community in the book exactly the way it happened. So where would you get the idea that I was "ditched" from? If that's what they had done to me then that's the way that I would tell it. It even sounds more interesting to say that I was used and then dumped if you ask me. But what happened, happened. During a routine meeting an FBI agent told me that he considered the KLA in Kosova to be terrorists. I said to him "you're telling me that a farmer in Kosova who picks up arms in order to defend his family against the Serbs is a terrorist in your eyes?". And his response was "yes". I quit my job on the stop, end of story.

Again, my decisions were stupid. But now that's between Allah and myself. What's even more stupid, and outrageous, though, is that there are those of you who sit behind your computers and spread this garbage on the internet about killing civilians. To begin with it's even more outrageous because you haven't even killed any civilians. Why would you argue about something that you haven't even done? It makes no sense. I would respect your arguments a lot more if they were based on experience. It still wouldn't be right, but you know what I mean.

Either way, a man, especially a Muslim man, would never be able to harm a women or a child intentionally. There have been many times when I sat and I wondered to myself "what's the point of being against killing the enemy’s women and children when they are doing it to us by the tens of thousands?". How easy it would be to walk into some public area in whatever country like Russia or Serbia and kill unarmed people. But that's exactly the point. Aside from being wrong it would be too easy. Only a coward could even contemplate targeting women and children. Those that do so are nothing more than common criminals who choose murder over a chance to fight their enemies man to man. This includes any terrorist, whether he's wearing a turban or a Kevlar helmet and Digi Pattern fattigues. How dare any Muslim compare a warrior who fights soldiers on the field of battle, like our brothers in Chechnya, to some piece of crap coward who thinks that he is being a man by walking up to a group of tourists in Egypt and killing them. I don't care how immoral those tourists are. I don't care about whether or not they should be wherever it is that they are in the first place. If you're problem with them is that serious then why not try attacking the soldiers of the government that issued them visas in the first place? Maybe because it’s a lot harder, and scarier, to attack other men who are armed? I mean come on, this is a fairly simple issue to understand. Men fight other men. Men don’t fight women and kids. End of story.

Now, if you have read this far then I’m sure you won’t mind reading a little bit more, so bear with me.

There is another subject that I want to touch on. I will admit that these forums on the internet can be useful for discussing different issues, even educating people. But I start to wonder about people that post on various different websites using various different aliases. When you post on a mainly non-Muslim website under one alias and argue with those people, then you post on a mostly Muslim website under a different alias, and argue with those people, what does that say about a person?

Like I’ve said, justified criticism is one thing. Simply talking nonsense is another. I would be more than happy to arrange a personal meeting with you, “Brother Mujahid”, to see whether or not you would be so firm in your position against me had we the chance to speak face to face.

Also, I can respect your opinions concerning my book, “Abuz Zubair”. Because they are just that, opinions. But you state the following as something more than opinion; “You cannot judge whether or not his account is authentic, and how he is looked up by other mujahidin, amongst whom he fought, until you get their views on him. You'll have to trust me on this one”.
I don’t have a lot of respect for your little play buddies in the UK anyway. So what is it that you are implying? Or is it the same old story from way back when? The UK crowd, and you know to whom I refer, have always been pompous little boys anyway. Always trying to tell everyone who is “authentic” and who isn’t. Telling potential Mujahids that the only way to get into a certain theater of war is by our way or not at all. And worst of all is that they are always dreaming up conspiracy stories. I have no personal knowledge of the events that you posted the link to, but even though it is quite possible that there really was an undercover agent in their midst, no one stops to think that if you are going to drive around doing dodgy things then maybe it’s not a good idea to use a car that’s registered to your wife. Instead of always accusing somebody of being a traitor maybe they should look at their own operational methods instead.

Those of you who wish to continue talking trash about me then please do so. I wouldn’t dream of asking anything different from you. Just make sure that the criticism is based some what on reality.

Those of you that have defended me, allow me to say that I appreciate your efforts. But I say with the utmost sincerity that I am probably not worthy of such effort. I make no pretense of being a pious man whatsoever. Although, I would like to think of my bad deeds in a certain light. You know that movie the “Riddick Chronicles”? (Or whatever it’s called.) The narrator says something to the effect that ‘there was once a time when good was used to fight evil. But now a different kind of evil is needed to fight evil’. For the most part I think of myself as a very bad person but I would like to think that I am this way for a reason. The Ummah is in a very sad state right now. I think that things will get a lot worse before they get any better. Whatever the case may Allah help us all.

[Umm Ahmed]

Wa 'alaykum usalaam .

MashaAllaah very brave of you to come here and adress some of the points raised on this thread. Dont be too harsh with everyone and forgive them if they have said something wrong InshaAllaah.
Maybe now they can ask you properlly about their doubts and have them cleared.

[gag order]

so you see yourself as riddick?

what a dissapointment to your defenders you turn out to be...

[Abuz Zubair]

Mr. Collins,

Nice to see paragraphs upon paragraphs by your good self without a single expletive. Must've been the result of some strenuous training over the years (sorry, just realised I spoke too soon). Although, I do not know why or how some called you an Evangelist, but at least you understand why you would be referred to as a traitor.

Yes, only Allah knows what's inside anyone's heart. That isn't for us to judge. Human beings may only judge what they can see. And what some saw of you wasn't pleasant. And yes, there might not be anyone here who has 'been there, done that', but there might be those who know those, who know those, who have been there and done that. Point being that you do not know anyone here, and neither does anyone here know you. And even if there was someone here who's 'been there and done that', I don't think he'd fall into your trap by publishing a book about his heroic adventures, simply because he isn't a white American who can get away with something like this in the post 9/11 world. So the talk about 'have you been there?', let's leave it out, shall we?

Yes, you are spot on about the deplorable acts of killing women and children, Islamically and morally. There are many kids who support these actions out of overzealousness and ignorance. The purpose of us allowing such discussions here freely is precisely in order to correct such misconceptions. If you were sent here by the FBI to collect whatever dust on us you can, I am afraid you've come to the wrong place. Unless, you've come here on an entirely different mission.

Besides, what do you think would happen to you if you were to ever return to Chechnya?

As for your comments about me and my 'play buddies', hmmm... do you even know me? :) Do I know you? :) How can you comment on my 'play buddies' when you don't even know me? How can you like or dislike them? Unless, of course, you've been sent here by the spooks and pre-informed about me and my 'play buddies'? How do you know I come from the UK? And if I do, where from the UK exactly? I could be from Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, or any other city... How strange! (or may be not!)

But let's leave it at that, anyway... :) Nice try, but you're finishing in the wrong seas, mate.

[JayshAllah]

Masha-Allah, great post, Brother Abu Saifudeen.


what a dissapointment to your defenders you turn out to be...

Hi, what have *you* done for the Ummah? Please make a list, and then we shall compare it to Brother Abu Saifudeen. Please name the conflicts you served in, and then we can see who is on greater footing, you (the Web Warrior) or Abu Saifudeen.

Nice to see paragraphs upon paragraphs by your good self without a single expletive. Must've been the result of some strenuous training over the years (sorry, just realised I spoke too soon).

Brother, can you please be a bit more understanding? I can show your own posts in which you insult some scholars, and other posts in which you talk about how we must never insult the scholars.

I really enjoy your posts, Brother Abuz Zubair. But I think you need to soften your heart and give the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT to your brother.

Although, I do not know why or how some called you an Evangelist, but at least you understand why you would be referred to as a traitor.

He was not a traitor. If you read the book, you can see how Brother Aqeel made it very clear what were his intentions behind joining the FBI, and how he then left them. It's so very clear, but why are you insisting on finding ulterior motives behind it? This is a quality of the Shia! The report you got about him joining the FBI is from the same source that tells you why! You cannot separate the two; it's a logical inconsistency.

Yes, you are spot on about the deplorable acts of killing women and children, Islamically and morally. There are many kids who support these actions out of overzealousness and ignorance. The purpose of us allowing such discussions here freely is precisely in order to correct such misconceptions. If you were sent here by the FBI to collect whatever dust on us you can, I am afraid you've come to the wrong place. Unless, you've come here on an entirely different mission.

Ummm...perhaps the reason he came to this forum was to defend himself against slander and backbiting?

Besides, what do you think would happen to you if you were to ever return to Chechnya?

How would you know?

As for your comments about me and my 'play buddies', hmmm... do you even know me? :) Do I know you? :)

That's exactly the point. You don't know Brother Aqeel, and yet you are judging him. There is *no* justification for that.

Please, Brother Abuz Zubair. Follow the Sunnah and make 70 excuses. You are not even making one, let alone seventy.

-----------------

Brother Aqeel, I apologize to you for some of the things said here against you. May Allah reward you!

[JayshAllah]

This right here is amazing:

Either way, a man, especially a Muslim man, would never be able to harm a women or a child intentionally. There have been many times when I sat and I wondered to myself "what's the point of being against killing the enemy’s women and children when they are doing it to us by the tens of thousands?". How easy it would be to walk into some public area in whatever country like Russia or Serbia and kill unarmed people. But that's exactly the point. Aside from being wrong it would be too easy. Only a coward could even contemplate targeting women and children. Those that do so are nothing more than common criminals who choose murder over a chance to fight their enemies man to man. This includes any terrorist, whether he's wearing a turban or a Kevlar helmet and Digi Pattern fattigues. How dare any Muslim compare a warrior who fights soldiers on the field of battle, like our brothers in Chechnya, to some piece of crap coward who thinks that he is being a man by walking up to a group of tourists in Egypt and killing them. I don't care how immoral those tourists are. I don't care about whether or not they should be wherever it is that they are in the first place. If you're problem with them is that serious then why not try attacking the soldiers of the government that issued them visas in the first place? Maybe because it’s a lot harder, and scarier, to attack other men who are armed? I mean come on, this is a fairly simple issue to understand. Men fight other men. Men don’t fight women and kids. End of story.


Brother Aukai, do you mind if I quote you on this? It's very beautifully stated.

The part I especially love is this part:

"Maybe because it’s a lot harder, and scarier, to attack other men who are armed?"

These terrorist cowards should face ARMED men, instead of facing innocent children.

Anyways, wow, beautifully worded, brother!

[JayshAllah]

Also, one other point, I don't agree with you disparaging yourself, Brother Aqeel. Personally, you have my deepest respect, thank you for defending our brothers in a foreign land, and I think that you have a place promised for you in Paradise. Please read the story of the Mujahid who used to drink alcohol; he was a Sahabi named Abu Mihjan [ra]. Jihad washes away sins!

I disagree with you saying that you made a lot of stupid decisions. Yes, most immigrant Muslims take it for granted that the FBI/CIA are wack, but you were a new convert to Islam...how were you supposed to automatically know this? See how presumptious these Muslims on this forum are being. I wonder, how many years after your conversion you went to fight in Chechnya? Just like that! This enthusiasm reminds me of many of the Sahabah who jumped to risk their entire lives for the Sake of Allah. And yet you are saying that you made stupid decisions! In such a short period of time you were guided to Islam. You lost your mother and father at such a young age...you were left in poverty, you went into crime, went into jail....if it had been me, I don't know if I could ever find guidance after all that! And yet you did! You were guided and then you risked your whole life for the Cause of Islam, and yet you have Web Warriors here arguing against you.

You didn't know about the FBI/CIA, and as a new convert, why the hell *should* you???? Don't you Edited Muslims understand this concept? He was a brand new convert...how was he just supposed to know that they were wack??

Stop disparaging yourself, brother. You--like the members on this fourm--are being too harsh on yourself.

You thought that maybe you could teach the FBI/CIA the difference between Jihad and terrorism. And I do not at all blame you for trying to do that...that is an important distinction that many of these Ghullat extremists on this forum cannot understand. When you realized that they didn't care about the difference, you left. Simple as that. What in the world did you do wrong?

Did a single innocent Muslim suffer because of your time in the FBI/CIA?

The answer is a resounding no.

So why don't you Web Warriors just shut up? None of you are man enough to go to Chechnya and fight armed Russian soldiers, yet you condone killing little kids and you love people who do that.

The reality is that you all are just Web Warriors, nothing more.

[abu_ibrahim]

JayshAllah, you can stop being a cheerleader. He (Aukai) is more then capable of defending himself. He doesn't need you to show awe to every word he says.

[Abuz Zubair]

brother Jaysh,

I thought we agreed to disagree.

I have told you, you are extremely naive and gullible on this issue. You do not know me, my history, what I know about Collins, what I can disclose and what I cannot for whatever reason.

You do not know Collins either, nor his history, his past, his family life, and what the Chechen Mujahidin think about him.

You do not know anything. And I am not prepared to tell you more.

Go and take him as a hero, it won't harm you in the least because you like most ppl here are clean skin.

But do not promote someone like him out of your naivety and lecture me about Husn al-Dhan, when you haven't a clue as to who I am or my history, and on what basis I am speaking.

[Brother_Mujahid]

So tell me Aqil, why did your fan club at the BFC all denounce you and abandon you? Why do they say that you were ungrateful after all the money they sent you for dental work and the like while you were in jail? Why is Robert Young Pelton accusing you of "talking smack" about him and others after they wired you all that money?

Also, if you are upset with people criticizing you, then why did you call John Walker Lindh a "dipsh-t" in Soldier of Fortune magazine? Is that appropriate manner in which to refer to another Muslim, especially one now undergoing hardship and oppression for his assistance to the Muslims?

I'll admit, perhaps I was a little hard on you when talking about you with Jaysh, but face it bro, you don't have a shiny, clean image. But, hey, I'll give you the chance to set the record straight about all this controvesry surrounding you in recent years.

[Brother_Mujahid]

Jaysh, your attachment to personalities is akin to the neo-Salafi Murji'ah that flipout anytime someone won't agree with them that Rab'i al-Madkhali and Ubayd al-Jabiri are the "Imams" of the Salafi da'wah and the greatest scholars of our times. Again, I mention that it seem like your view of Collins is that of some Hollywood action movie or a Hemingway novel.

[Skillganon]

Who's Collin?

[gag order]

So why don't you Web Warriors just shut up? None of you are man enough to go to Chechnya and fight armed Russian soldiers, yet you condone killing little kids and you love people who do that.

which agency do you work for ?

He was a brand new convert...how was he just supposed to know that they (FBI/CIA) were wack??

even the kuffar know this..

[edit]

[JayshAllah]

which agency do you work for ?

KFC.

Kentucky Fried Chicken. :D

[edit]

I think both sides should refrain from cursing, including both you and also Brother Collins.

JayshAllah, you can stop being a cheerleader.

Give me an A, give me a U, give me a K, give me an A, give me an I.....

What does it spell???

AUKAI!!!!

brother Jaysh,

I thought we agreed to disagree.

I have told you, you are extremely naive and gullible on this issue. You do not know me, my history, what I know about Collins, what I can disclose and what I cannot for whatever reason.

You do not know Collins either, nor his history, his past, his family life, and what the Chechen Mujahidin think about him.

You do not know anything. And I am not prepared to tell you more.

Go and take him as a hero, it won't harm you in the least because you like most ppl here are clean skin.

But do not promote someone like him out of your naivety and lecture me about Husn al-Dhan, when you haven't a clue as to who I am or my history, and on what basis I am speaking.

OK brother, let's agree to disagree. Although I dislike it when you say the words 'naive' and 'gullible'. Simply saying that I don't know certain information would be enough, instead of using words that are used for two year olds. I'm not some 16 year old kid. Within a year I will be a doctor Insha-Allah, and I think it's frankly annoying of you to use such a term for me.

But maybe you know things that I don't know, fine and well.

Also, if you are upset with people criticizing you, then why did you call John Walker Lindh a "dipsh-t" in Soldier of Fortune magazine? Is that appropriate manner in which to refer to another Muslim, especially one now undergoing hardship and oppression for his assistance to the Muslims?

Yes, I remember reading this too. I did not agree with this statement of yours, Brother Aukai. It was very harsh.

Look, ya all, you don't have to idealize anyone. I'm just against taking people by name and insulting them. This is what Islam taught me not to do.

Furthermore, those who believe in killing women and children are idiots.

[Abuz Zubair]

You may dislike me describing you with such words, but I don't use them in order to exaggerate. I really mean when I say that you are being very gullible and naive here. And you aren't the first naive person I have come across.

As a rule of thumb, in the post 9/11 world (and even before that), anyone you see advertising himself as a Mujahid, who's been there and done that, he is most likely to be a spy. This rule of thumb, only someone very gullible would be ignorant of. And indeed, it is very gullible to read a book by some big-headed adventurous American and to believe in everything he has to say without questioning anything. And then to attack those who cast doubts over many of his accounts. This is not only the peak of naivety, but also stupidity.

Just because someone announces to the whole word about 'My Jihad' experience, does not mean he is genuine. In fact, most often it means the opposite.

Whereas the genuine Mujahidin, you wouldn't find them writing works praising themselves and their adventurous Jihad.

This much one can understand by reading the book only at the surface level. He doesn't even need to go beyond it to unveil the truth about this person and what others think about him in a land where he once fought.

With regards to backbiting issue, then it is legislated in our religion for greater interests, from them, exposing the hypocrites and warning against them.

I mean, you claim so boldly above in your post that he hasn't harmed anyone! Only if you knew! But you are just so adamant on your naivety in assuming the loudest to be the hero, and the quietest to be the 'Web Warrior', that one doesn't know whether to laugh or to cry.

The best thing for you to do in such situation is neither to defend, NOR to attack him, if you are confused. Just admit that you do NOT know him. You cannot verify his claims in his book. You cannot know what his critics actually have to say against him. So you simply step out of it.

Naivety and stupidity is to defend a dangerous person like him - when you don't even know him!

You will never switch on until you realise that you really were naive. And if you are too arrogant to accept that, then sorry, I cannot help.

[Umm]

The FBI did not "ditch" me as said by "Umm". How dare you even assume this. I described the end of my relation with the American intelligence community in the book exactly the way it happened. So where would you get the idea that I was "ditched" from? If that's what they had done to me then that's the way that I would tell it. It even sounds more interesting to say that I was used and then dumped if you ask me.


If they had ditched you, what makes you think that sounds more interesting? It happens to many people.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,,439639,00.html

It sounds humiliating to say that you were used and dumped, if you ask me.

Abu Saifudeen, could you fill us in on how, by your own admission, you are a former FBI informant, yet you could "turn your back" on this agency without any fear of repercussions? How you admit that you fought in the jihad in Chechnya, yet are not arrested for that? Other brothers have been arrested/questioned upon return from Bosnia, Kashmir etc. How you can admit to knowing a friend acquainted with one of the 19 hijackers, yet you are free to walk about? Imam Anwar had to leave the US for being an Imam at as masjid that Muhammad Ata prayed at.

I don’t have a lot of respect for your little play buddies in the UK anyway. So what is it that you are implying? Or is it the same old story from way back when? The UK crowd, and you know to whom I refer, have always been pompous little boys anyway. Always trying to tell everyone who is “authentic” and who isn’t. Telling potential Mujahids that the only way to get into a certain theater of war is by our way or not at all. And worst of all is that they are always dreaming up conspiracy stories.

Many people were warned by this "crowd" sometimes they listened and it paid off, sometimes they didn't listen but they were still ok. Just because brothers have the best interests of the Muslims, doesn't mean we assume they want a monopoly on the jihad, or that they are "pompous little boys" Weren't these same "boys" given tazkiyyay by shaheed Khattab himself?

I have no personal knowledge of the events that you posted the link to, but even though it is quite possible that there really was an undercover agent in their midst, no one stops to think that if you are going to drive around doing dodgy things then maybe it’s not a good idea to use a car that’s registered to your wife. Instead of always accusing somebody of being a traitor maybe they should look at their own operational methods instead.

I agree with you on this. If "Q" was a successful agent, why expose his face on the BBC? Surely it would make more sense to keep him anonymous? Why give out his name and picture? The real agents are probably anonymous. Sadly, the truth of the matter is that it was more recklessness without experience that got them arrested, rather than "inside info".

Abu Saifudeen, I was also curious as to how you justify spying on Muslims, for a wage from the FBI? Even if you don't agree with their methods?

How dare any Muslim compare a warrior who fights soldiers on the field of battle, like our brothers in Chechnya, to some piece of crap coward who thinks that he is being a man by walking up to a group of tourists in Egypt and killing them.

What is your take on the Moscow theater siege and Movsar Barayev in particular? Do you agree with martyrdom ops like Hawwa Barayev, or not?

The Mujaahideen who remained anonymous, can insha'Allah take their full rewards on al-Yawm. I might have had some respect for you if your account was to encourage Muslims to go for jihaad, like "The Army of Madinah in Kashmir" That has a humble tone to it, as does Shaheed Shamil's "Book of a Mujahid". However the extracts I have seen of your book seem to be merely bitter rantings about "authentic" Mujaahideen and extreme hatred for those you don't see as "authentic". It beggars belief that you go to the FBI to inform on "terrorists".

Finally, what do the Mujaahideen and in particular, Umar Saeed Sheikh think of you now?

Umm.

[Abdullah al-Shishani]

I dont know from where did these guys get an idea that someone here supports intentional killing of civilians women children etc., in any way, shape or form. Jaysh, show me one place where someone said this. There were some theological discussions on the issue, and refutations by Abuz Zubair of those who considered such allowed in sharia, in some cases, such as Sh Uthaymin (r).

[JayshAllah]

I dont know from where did these guys get an idea that someone here supports intentional killing of civilians women children etc., in any way, shape or form. Jaysh, show me one place where someone said this.

There's a whole thread on it. That's the entire issue. If they didn't feel that way, then I wouldn't oppose them.

Anyways, Abuz Zubair, you need to work on your Adab. I noticed this about Salafis in general. Seem like a very angry lot of people!

I don't even want to listen to you with your insults. Learn to talk softly. It's part of the faith.

[Abuz Zubair]

Dear brother,

My comments about your naivety were pretty sincere and objective. If I wanted to insult you I could have. You obviously find my honest observation somewhat insulting. But to be honest, there isn't any other way I could express what I honestly feel.

You should learn to take people's criticisms on board and try not to be overconfident. That is not to say that I don't have a problem with exploding on some people here.

I was not exploding here in response to your posts. I was expressing my honest observation, and if you find it insulting, then really, there is not much I can do. It is very difficult to find people today who would be honest about your faults.

[JayshAllah]

Dear brother,

My comments about your naivety were pretty sincere and objective. If I wanted to insult you I could have. You obviously find my honest observation somewhat insulting. But to be honest, there isn't any other way I could express what I honestly feel.

You should learn to take people's criticisms on board and try not to be overconfident. That is not to say that I don't have a problem with exploding on some people here.

I was not exploding here in response to your posts. I was expressing my honest observation, and if you find it insulting, then really, there is not much I can do. It is very difficult to find people today who would be honest about your faults.

Salam,

Your choice of words were poor. There is a dramatic difference between saying:

"You are naive and gullible." [insulting]

And:

"Brother, there are some facts that you may not know about which would actually make you think otherwise. We shouldn't be naive about this..." [not insulting]

You were saying I was naive and gullible, full-stop. This is insulting. If you can't figure this out, then you are stupid. There is a difference between saying you are being naive about one issue, and you are naive full-stop.

Perhaps I initially accorded you too much respect due to the fact that I liked some of your posts, but it seems that your head has gotten too big that you refer to me in condescending and patronizing terms. You have no right to call me naive or gullible, because you don't even know me.

Like read this comment of yours:

You should learn to take people's criticisms on board and try not to be overconfident.

This is the most retarded comment ever. Who the hell are you? My grandfather?

Fine, you know some top-secret information that I don't know. Fine and well. This does not make me naive and gullible. Please look up the definition of these words before throwing them around. I am the last person who is naive and gullible. Stop talking to me like I'm a 16 year old kid. Thanks. Stop being condescending and patronizing. I already value your opinion, so you can just say things like a normal human being instead of coming across as a jerk.

[ibnYaseen]

I am the last person who is naive and gullible.

Am I the only one that finds that comment oozing with arrogance?

Also, JayshAllah, you can't tell somebody that they need to have more adab when you yourself do not display any adab. Your posts are riddled with emotional reactions that can be read between your lines, which hints a lack of maturity in your discussion abilities. If there is a topic in which you lack exposure, knowledge and experience, then the possibility of you approaching it with naivety and gullability is high; you should consider bypassing your pride and perhaps looking at Abuz-Zubair's direct advice objectively. I don't think he is being rude or insulting towards you, but if you think he is then you ignoring the advice just because of the way it was delivered clearly illustrates immaturity and a lack of humility.

[Suhaib Jobst]

I would become an atheist and completely deny the existence of a God before I became a Christian.

I seek refuge in Allah! Do you not know that from the acts which are reprehensible, is the statement: "If I were to do that, I would be a Jew/Christian/atheist, etc."? We do not even think about apostasy for a second, for it is from the whisperings of Shaitan and we must seek refuge from his tricks.

This is one example of your ignorance of Islamic manners, another being your claim: "If it were permissible I would have ISLAM tattooed on my forehead." (For more details, see Dr. Salih as-Sadlan, Words of Remembrance and Words of Reminder. Boulder, CO: Al-Basheer Company for Publications and Translations, 1998, p. 104).

Again, my decisions were stupid. But now that's between Allah and myself.

No, it is a matter between you and the entire Ummah. For when we utter the Shahadah, we are also making a public profession of our belief, an expression of our Al-Walaa wal-Baraa. When you turned on a group of Muslims and allied yourself with a group from the Kuffar against them, then you committed an act which was dishonorable to yourself as a Muslim, and violated the trust that Kalimah represented between you and the Ummah.

And this applies equally to any American who calls me a traitor to my country. And before those of you on this forum start yelling about America being an enemy of Islam, notice that I said "my country" NOT "my government". That is a whole 'nother topic of discussion, but let it suffice to say that if all of you Muslims can be "Pakistanis’", "Saudis", "Egyptians", and so on, then I am damn sure going to be an "American".

Forget about being proud of your nationality, this is another thing entirely from this statement, a clear expression of the jingoistic patriotism which is a symptom of so many Americans nowadays. It has no place in the hearts or minds of the Muslims, whose allegiance is first and foremost to the Believers, of whatever nationality.

How dare any Muslim compare a warrior who fights soldiers on the field of battle, like our brothers in Chechnya, to some piece of crap coward who thinks that he is being a man by walking up to a group of tourists in Egypt and killing them.

Who praised these individuals? Even Ayman al-Zawahiri and the other leaders of Gamaa al-Islamiya condemned the Luxor attacks, which were committed by a small dissident group. This is nothing but another attempt of your ilk to bring forward this false dichotomy, in the tradition of your taghut, who asserted "you are either with us or against us."

Whenever any of us talk about the oppression of Muslims around the world and the ways to respond to such oppression, those and others like you are so quick to change the subject and attack anyone who targets "innocent civilians". But no one supported these attacks which were clearly against non-combatants. It is mostly a reflection of your accepting the propaganda of the enemies of Islam. Why do you not have the courage to decry the claim Mujahideen are "terrorists", but the American government can slaughter Muslims left and right, they are only faceless "collateral"?

will not hesitate to open a big 'ole can of American whoop ass on you....I would be more than happy to arrange a personal meeting....to see whether or not you would be so firm in your position against me had we the chance to speak face to face.

What does it tell us about your situation, that you are so willing to pick fights with other Muslims. Not only were the American Kaffir authorities safe from your attacks, you exceeded the limits by allying yourself with them against the Muslims. You wrote a book exploiting your experiences and getting rich, and we're supposed to except you as the real deal?

How dare you even assume this. I described the end of my relation with the American intelligence community in the book exactly the way it happened. So where would you get the idea that I was "ditched" from?

Why are you so quick to defend their honor, yet you threaten your fellow Muslim brothers and sisters? You need to fear Allah and hold your tongue. By no means do I even claim to be close to a scholar, but nevertheless I would never even think of uttering such words against other Muslims. I know where my allegiance is and I express it on a daily basis. I would not dare of turning on my Muslim brothers and sisters, betraying an Ummah which has generously accepted me as their brother.

[Abu Saifudeen]

I was about to post a reply in response to some of the more intelligent questions/ criticism. And then before I could finnish I read this post from "Suhaib Jobst", and now I need to write a whole new reply.

Are you really as ignorant as your post makes you sound or are you just trying to make me get angry?

Who was thinking about apostasy? Everyone except you seemed to understand that I was merely highlighting a point by speaking about becoming an atheist. It would not be possible to believe in anything else after believing in Islam.

And of course I am ignorant in Islamic matters, never said I wasn't. But again, my words seem to have gone way over your head. That's why I said "if it were permisable" concerning the tatoo. IF. You do understand the word IF don't you? Again, I was highlighting a point. I would rather be ignorant and know it rather than not understand the word IF.

The more I read of your post, the more amazed I am. Who in the world accepted the "propaganda of the enemies of Islam"? I am as quick to denounce a terrorist wearing a "kevlar helmet and Digi Pattern fattigues" as I am any other form of terrorist. But yet AGAIN, my words seem to have gone over your head. In case you truly do not understand who I am refering to with above mentioned statement, AMERICAN SOLDIERS WEAR DIGI PATTERN FATTIGUES. If they kill civilians then they to are terrorists by definition.

And why do I "not have the courage to decry the claim that Mujahideen are terrorists"? Are you truly out of it??? I am the person that made JERALDO RIVERA and ANN COULTER, at the same time, and on the same talk show, admit live on national television that there was a clear distinction between Jihad and terrorism, Mujahideen and terrorists.

And where in my post did I "defend the honor" of whoever it is you that "their honor" implies, and "threaten my fellow Muslim brothers and sisters"? I mean seriously, are you reading my post or somebody elses?

And getting rich??? Oh my god, please take your head out of your rear. You truly make yourself look silly. I ruined my life by writting my book. I will address the other more intelligent questions concerning how it is that I can walk freely and so forth in my next post. But for now let me assure you, Mr. Super Muslim, that I will remain poor for the rest of my days, unless I become a criminal, because of what I wrote in my book. I guess all of the non-Muslims who wrote to me after reading my book and thanked me for showing them that there is a very clear distinction between Jihad and terrorism were reading a different book than you. As were the Zionists we now have made it their personal quest in life to ruin mine, because of what I wrote and said in all of my interviews.

Man, you are truly something else. Just when I tought that I had seen it all. I seriously, and I mean seriously, doubt that I will make it to paradise. And Muslims can say alot of bad things about me. But you have the audacity to say that I have not "decried" the propaganda of the Zionists.

I will address the other posts later, God willing.

[JayshAllah]

Frankly, I do not see a brother who is "full of himself". If he was, then why does he say such modest things like he is ignorant about Islam, or that he doesn't think he is worthy of Paradise? These don't seem the words of someone arrogant or full of himself. Also, Brother Aqeel, can you link me to your interviews? Are they available on You Tube?

Also, as a side-note, you people are not justified in insulting him for his lack of Islamic knowledge (which seems like the thing you enjoy doing with people in general). He is a recent convert and he immediately fought in Jihad without the time to learn about the faith extensively. And this is a sign of his dedication to Islam, that he immediately risked his life for Islam and the Muslims.

[Abuz Zubair]

Frankly, I do not see a brother who is "full of himself".

Because you are extremely naive and gullible.

[gag order]

collins,

when salman al farsi committed an error during a battle the prophet (saw) corrected him and after that they continued the fight together as one.

he did not correct him by colloboration with the enemy. similarly, if you saw your fellow jihadists commit an error do you correct them or sell them out to the enemy?

secondly, just becos the media claims that there was a suicide bombing and the tagets were women and children doesnt make it so. quite often there is no suicide as the americans are finding out in iraq now and if the west can kill hundreds of civilians just to get at one terrorist in their midst then the terrorist can do the same back just to get at one soldier or politician in their midst, so the west really reaps what it sows.

i reject the notion of killing civilians intentionally but if i can accept the western excuse of 'collateral damage' then why cant i accept the same excuse from jihadists ???

[gag order]

there are those of you who sit behind your computers and spread this garbage on the internet about killing civilians. To begin with it's even more outrageous because you haven't even killed any civilians. Why would you argue about something that you haven't even done? It makes no sense. I would respect your arguments a lot more if they were based on experience. It still wouldn't be right, but you know what I mean.

on the contrary, nobody here argues for the killing of civilians, secondly we dont need the 'experience' to talk about an issue in which islam has an opinion and wether or not it has been understood correctly. similarly we dont need to experience drunkedness to discuss how wrong it is. is that clear?

[Brother_Mujahid]

He is a recent convert

No he isn't. He has been a Muslim since the mid-1990's, so stop using that crutch.

[ykhan]

As salaamu alaykum ikhwaan,

You would think if a person has been Muslim for more than ten years that they would of at least learnt some "adab" [etiquette in speech and actions].

You learn "adab" from your companionship or from reading books like Riyaadh us Saaliheen etc, so the person who still has bad "adab" after ten years in the Deen, either cannot be bothered to learn his Deen, or he is upon the evil Deen of his companions ["al Mar'u 'alaa deeni khaleelihi}.

The Messenger Salallahu alayhi was salaam used to seek refuge from evil companionship due to its evil effects upon the soul.

It is very sad to see a Muslim talking and cursing like a non-muslim after being in the Deen for over 10 years.

May Allah ta'alaa protect us from Shaytaan and his recruits.

[JayshAllah]

Because you are extremely naive and gullible.

And you have no Adab. You rant and rave.

[Abuz Zubair]

And you have no Adab. You rant and rave.
Actually, I rock...

[Suhaib Jobst]

Your post displayed the arrogance by which many of us recognize you. It was written, not in the manner of a dignified Muslim, exhibiting Islamic manners of disagreement, but rather simple street-talk. Despite the fact you repeatedly taunted me and insulted my intelligence, I will keep my own response simple yet dignified, insha'Allah....

Who was thinking about apostasy? Everyone except you seemed to understand that I was merely highlighting a point by speaking about becoming an atheist. It would not be possible to believe in anything else after believing in Islam.

It is reprehensible to even talk in terms of a hypothetical scenario when it involves an act of apostasy or any disobedience to Allah. It is all from the tricks of Shaitaan and one should immediately seek refuge in Allah (Subhanahu wa-Ta'ala).

I am as quick to denounce a terrorist wearing a "kevlar helmet and Digi Pattern fattigues" as I am any other form of terrorist.

In your various interviews, you have consistently criticized those Muslim brothers you label "terrorists". You have not much to say regarding the crimes of the Zionist-Globalist-Crusader American government, which have slaughtered Muslims and others around the world in pursuit of its sinister internationalist agenda.

I am the person that made JERALDO RIVERA and ANN COULTER, at the same time, and on the same talk show, admit live on national television that there was a clear distinction between Jihad and terrorism, Mujahideen and terrorists.

You definitely know one's understanding of Islam leaves much to be desired, when the Fox Neo-Con News Network has adopted your own criteria of what distinguishes Jihad from the vague, hypocritical, double-standard, smokescreen concept "terrorism".

And where in my post did I "defend the honor" of whoever it is you that "their honor" implies, and "threaten my fellow Muslim brothers and sisters"? I mean seriously, are you reading my post or somebody elses?

You were very quick in dispelling our accusations the FBI abandoned you after using you, in a manner which seemed very defensive of their honor. In post#47, on page 5 of this thread, you wrote (emphasis mine):

The FBI did not 'ditch' me as said by "Umm". How dare you even assume this.

As for physically threatening other Muslims, then it occurs in the very same post:

I would be more than happy to arrange a personal meeting with you, "Brother Mujahid", to see whether or not you would be so firm in your position against me had we the chance to speak face to face.

And later on....

I will even allow you to say this to my face one time. But, if after I have explained to you some things that are not readily apparent from merely reading about me, you attempt to call me a traitor again, well, I am still an American. I will not hesitate to open a big 'ole can of American whoop ass on you.

You came on this forum with an utterly belligerent attitude, displaying none of the calmness or nonchalance which characterizes many of your interviews with Kuffar, some of whom were openly hostile towards Muslims. In your introductory post, after a brief explanation of yourself, here is the first direct comment you directed towards us:

Further more, whosoever doesn't like the fact that I claim Islam as my deen, whether you are Muslim or Kaffir alike, can simply kiss my large white rear end. And allow me to elaborate on why I say that. If you are non-Muslim and do not like the fact that I profess my religion as Islam then the kissing of my rear is for obvious reasons. But if you are Muslim and you don't like that I say that I am Muslim then for you a simple kiss would not be enough.

Very suspicious, indeed....To whom is your ultimate allegiance? Please enlighten us in this regard.

[Abuz Zubair]

To whom is your ultimate allegiance? Please enlighten us in this regard.

The French, can't you tell?

[Suhaib Jobst]

The French, can't you tell?

lol....I guess he's gloating over the election victory of "Shaykh" Nicholas Sarkozy right about now.

www.ejpress.org/article/16491

http://www.ejpress.org/article/16491

[gag order]

kiss my large white rear end

notable people who are known to have said this include:

vanilla ice
eminem
aukai collins

the first two are kuffar and is in accordance to their standards. the third is a muslim who experienced what we have not and has failed to inspire us.

instead of defecting to the enemy of your fellows you should have concentrated on education and purification to build upon your good deeds.

[JayshAllah]

Your post displayed the arrogance by which many of us recognize you.

The funny part is that it is YOUR post which reeks of arrogance.

I will keep my own response simple yet dignified, insha'Allah....

Even if one were to slander, insult, and backbite in the most beautiful of voices, it does not change the nature of what one is saying.

It is reprehensible to even talk in terms of a hypothetical scenario when it involves an act of apostasy or any disobedience to Allah.

Stop being a retard. He didn't say that he was an apostate, or anything of that sort. He simply was proving that he wsa NOT an apostate, Sherlock. Stop being pedantic and nit-picking. It's annoying.

In your various interviews, you have consistently criticized those Muslim brothers you label "terrorists".

Let me define a "terrorist" for you. It is a guy who kills civilians. Got it? Is it clear? Do you still need the quotations?

You have not much to say regarding the crimes of the Zionist-Globalist-Crusader American government, which have slaughtered Muslims and others around the world in pursuit of its sinister internationalist agenda.

Did you even read his book? Did you read his initial post which denounced Zionists? You are nothing but a liar. He has repeatedly denounced the Crusaders and Zionists.


You definitely know one's understanding of Islam leaves much to be desired, when the Fox Neo-Con News Network has adopted your own criteria of what distinguishes Jihad from the vague, hypocritical, double-standard, smokescreen concept "terrorism".

Are you out of your mind? Fox Neo-cons always try equating Jihad with terrorism. You people are pathetic. Why talk in vague terms? Everybody you brainwashed SJ's know what a terrorist is.

You were very quick in dispelling our accusations the FBI abandoned you after using you, in a manner which seemed very defensive of their honor. In post#47, on page 5 of this thread, you wrote (emphasis mine):

You don't even make sense. Shows how pathetic your argument is. How was he defensive of THEIR honor? He didn't even mention them, even in the quote you mentioned. He was offended that you dare say that HE (Aukai) was abandoned, when in fact it was the other way around: HE abandoned the FBI.


As for physically threatening other Muslims, then it occurs in the very same post:

Stop being lame.

You came on this forum with an utterly belligerent attitude,

Hmmmm....I wonder why, Sherlock Holmes. If I saw a room full of people doing backbiting against me, I think I would be mighty ticked off. It's so ridicolous now that you are BLAMING the brother for being angry when in fact it is you people who incited his anger by slandering him.

displaying none of the calmness or nonchalance which characterizes many of your interviews with Kuffar, some of whom were openly hostile towards Muslims.

It's called Dawah.


Very suspicious, indeed....

What exactly was suspiscious? I missed it. You are taking every line the brother says and are twisting it.

[JayshAllah]

the first two are kuffar and is in accordance to their standards. the third is a muslim who experienced what we have not and has failed to inspire us.

He may not have inspired you, but why should he when he hasn't blown up a bunch of innocent people like the same Al-Qaeda you so love? That's what impresses you right? That's how you define someone's allegiance right? If they can blow up women and children and civilian men, right?

[JayshAllah]

on the contrary, nobody here argues for the killing of civilians,

Do you support or denounce the 9/11 attacks? Yes or no?

Do you support Al-Qaeda? Yes or no?

[JayshAllah]

lol....I guess he's gloating over the election victory of "Shaykh" Nicholas Sarkozy right about now.


OMG that's just SO funny. You're a riot!

[gag order]

He may not have inspired you, but why should he when he hasn't blown up a bunch of innocent people like the same Al-Qaeda you so love? That's what impresses you right? That's how you define someone's allegiance right? Can you blow up women and children and civilian men...

obviously what i meant was moral inspiration in response to the comment:

"kiss my large white rear end"

please do try to keep up with the debate rather than fly off the tangent on the slightest pretext!

[gag order]

Do you support or denounce the 9/11 attacks? Yes or no?
Do you support Al-Qaeda? Yes or no?

what agency did you say you worked for again?

[JayshAllah]

obviously what i meant was moral inspiration in response to the comment:

"kiss my large white rear end"


Stop being sanctimonious and pretentious. As if you've never in your life ever used such a phrase. Give me a break. Stop being a lame-o and holier-than-thou.

[JayshAllah]

what agency did you say you worked for again?

I work for the KFC.

[Anderson]

Salam

I was linked to this forum from Islamica, Brother Aukai is an inspiring example for all Muslims. He sacrificed his leg for Islam. May Allah grant him Jannah

[gag order]

KFC eh?

you're well out of your jurisdiction now serve me or do i have to wait for another branch to open?

[Abuz Zubair]

Stop being sanctimonious and pretentious. As if you've never in your life ever used such a phrase. Give me a break. Stop being a lame-o and holier-than-thou.


Are you Collin's boyfriend or something?

[Abuz Zubair]

Salam

I was linked to this forum from Islamica, Brother Aukai is an inspiring example for all Muslims. He sacrificed his leg for Islam. May Allah grant him Jannah
And are you, too, like Jaysh Collin's boyfriend?

Cuz it seems Jaysh actually called you over to defend Collin.

Or, have you all been sent by the FBI to this forum? hmmm... smells really fishy.

[JayshAllah]

Are you Collin's boyfriend or something?

No, we're married.

[Abuz Zubair]

Now everything makes sense about the white, brown and possibly black.............. Thank you for sharing that with us.

[JayshAllah]

They are not that rare. Quite common in fact.

[Abuz Zubair]

They are not that rare. Quite common in fact.
They are in fact a rarity here, until you guys showed up. And they will, inshaaAllah become rarity, again.

[gag order]

They are in fact a rarity here, until you guys showed up. And they will, inshaaAllah become rarity, again.

LOL.......

[abudurrah]

funny thread.......but its getting very unislamic with all the mental visuals being proposed. Also contains many low jabs......... Should be stopped.


http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=1118
quote from article
I once read that when faced with a choice of a loss of adab or the loss of an argument, it is better for the Muslim to hold on to the adab and let go of the argument.


my i also add Brother abuz zubair you have a more heavy resposibilty then others here since many other members look up to you, youre not setting good example for dealing with discussions.
requires extreme patience whether its with me or anyone else.:)

[Brother_Mujahid]

Abuz-Zubayr, I advise you not to waste time with mental midgets who are unable to move beyond their teenage crush-like behavior. I know it is tempting to toy with such ultimately comical characters, but they aren't worth your precious time. Leave Jaysh to his temper-tantrums about his precious Aqil Collins.

[Umm]

Brothers, I agree with abudurrah, that this is getting very low, regarding jibes at jayshallah. Let's wait for Aukai to return insha'Allah, and answer our questions, as he said he would.

[Abuz Zubair]

I am sorry, bros... but I cannot let this idiot defend Mr. Collins in the way he is doing. He is really being childish and over the top. If he were to stick with his agreement (agreeing to disagree) and keep quite, it would have been better for him.

The lengths to which this kid has gone to defend his 'boyfriend' suggests that either Jaysh is more naive and gullible than I had thought, OR, that he is actually working with Mr. Collins. I personally have never come across someone as naive as him, so I think it is quite possible he is working with him.

[abu_ibrahim]

Jaysh, why are you constantly asking controversial questions, are you trying to incriminate people here? I advise brothers to be cautious and not to trust people on the Internet. Brothers can also refer to a book by al-Maqdisi on Laxity.

[JayshAllah]

I cannot let this idiot defend Mr. Collins in the way he is doing. He is really being childish and over the top.

Says the little kid who has no job or school work but rather spends all day long (24 hours per day) on this forum.

The lengths to which this kid has gone to defend his 'boyfriend' suggests that either Jaysh is more naive and gullible than I had thought, OR, that he is actually working with Mr. Collins. I personally have never come across someone as naive as him, so I think it is quite possible he is working with him.

Yes, such is your logic and senationalist approach. I *must* be working for Aukai, and I am an agent of the FBI! Puh-lease, grow up. You sound like one of those fob uncles with conspiracy theories about everything...it is YOU who is gullible--or rather, loco--for thinking everyone who disagrees with you is working for an agency.

But anyways, why don't you get a life and stop posting all day long? Got nothing better to do? What do you do anyways? Don't you have work or school?

[JayshAllah]

Jaysh, why are you constantly asking controversial questions, are you trying to incriminate people here? I advise brothers to be cautious and not to trust people on the Internet.

Funny that these same scoundrels live in the same Western countries that they so violently hate. Very typical of these Web Warriors. Why don't they move? Where is that Bara??? Funny how your Bara can allow you to justify suicide bombings and the killings of civilians, but your Bara is not enough to make you move out of Dar al-Harb? Even that one idiot poster here has his location as "Dar al-Harb"...does he not know that it is Haram to live in Dar al-Harb? See how hypocritical and moronic their Bara is...it is a Bara of convenience.

Why is it that if a Muslim goes out and drinks alcohol, we have no problem condemning him, but if he kills a Westerner we rush to find excuses for his behaviour? Are we so desperate for heroes that we have to fabricate them from thugs and mass murderers?

Many Salafis find it a part of their creed to denounce Ahl al-Bidah and to expose their Bidah and to distance themselves from them. But which is a bigger Bidah: Killing innocent children or celebrating Mawlid???????? So how come these Salafis don't distance themselves from terrorists, but are so vociferous in distancing themselves from people who celebrate Mawlid? (I am against Mawlid myself.)

We should denounce and distance ourselves from the deviant heretics who sanction murder/terrorism; they are Ahl al-Bidah, way more than even those who celebrate Mawlid! How harmless is Mawlid compared to taking the life of an innocent child!

And to extend this further, on the one hand we have Muslims who are willing to overlook a terrorist's crime of killing women and children, but they can't look past a brother who made one mistake for which he later repented for?

May Allah bless all those who truly fight for a just cause.
May He also give us enough insight to recognize the difference between justice and crime.

[Abuz Zubair]

Jaysh, for the 1001 time, no one here believes in the legitimacy of killing innocent civilians.

If you still haven't got this through your skull, then you know what I think of you anyway, OR you're definitely working for Collins.

Now, no more discussions here on Collins. Anymore discussions and you're out.