Abuz Zubair
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IslamicAwakening.Com Discussion Board: Islaam in general: What`s this salafipublications.com?
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By Samer on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 09:45 pm: Edit
Assala-u-alikum brothers and sisters,
Can anyone tell me who`s this salafipublications? I visited that site, but i felt very strange after reading articles against sheikh safar hawali and sheikh suleman auda. Can anyone clear this matter? I`ll be very thankful.
Wasalam.
By Umm (Umm) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 11:32 pm: Edit
Salaam,
Well brother, this article says it all.
http://www.as-sahwah.com/discus/messages/2/1468.html#POST2717
It's all cr*p!!! They label everyone, and I mean EVERYONE deviants, who do not conform to their extreme version of Islam. They are NOT Salafis. They are Deltas (elite special force "Salfis"). They have stopped salaaming those they deem deviant. They do not consider any country to have a jihad in it, and they LOOOVVVEE King "I love the Yank Govt" Fahd. Showing them evidences from the Qur'an and Sunnah is a waste of time. Wallaahi, I have been down this road with them. All they say is "but Shaykh (i.e. minor student of knowledge) such-and-such said this...." And I'm like, "Erm.... the Messenger of Allah (SAW) said this..."
They have the worst manners, are the most sarcastic, and they are always on the ponce! [N****, I know u're laughing reading this!!!] Ponce off the Kaafir Govt (claiming the social security benefits), ponce off fellow Muslims, make a nice hijrah and ponce off the Muqbil (RM) camp. What happened to the upper hand being better than the lower hand? Some of their wives calim the benefits by saying that "Someone's got me pregnant!" Wallahu Musta'an! Your "Salafi" wife is wearing all-black from head to toe, and she tells the Kaafirs that she is an unmarried mother, for £10 extra a week than claiming to be married? I heard that one Kaafir in the benefits office said to one of these sisters, "You are a Muslim woman who veils. I thought you covered up to stop men looking at you. How did someone get you pregnant then?" Subhanallah! It would be funny, if the husband's weren't the "Hey Akhee! Be a REAL man! Take 4 wives!" da'ee-type (never mind not having the means to support 1, let alone 4). To them, the Muslim who makes one mistake is treated worse than a kaafir. But their own relatives (jaahil muslim or kaafirs) are treated so nicely!
I showed some of them the picture of a Palestinian baby shot in the heart (it brought tears to my eyes, and I'm not the most religious person). Their reaction "Oh well! These people are fighting for their land". They make me soooo sick!!!
Acording to "Shaykh" Rabee, there is no Jihad in Kashmir, it's all being fought for political reasons. Yeah, nice one, tell that to the women who are being raped, and having their children's bones broken in front of them. In fact, to them, there is no jihad ANYWHERE. Look at this hadith:
"On the authority of Zaid bin Aslam Al-Adawi (RA) from his father (RA),the Messenger of Allaah,the Most High,said:Jihaad will remain sweet and green as long as rain continues to drop from the sky,yet,there will come upon the people a time when their scholars will say:'This is not the time for Jihaad.'So whoever witnesses this time then let him know that this is the best time for Jihaad." The Companions asked: "O Messenger of Allaah,will anyone really say that?" He (pbuh) replied: "Yes,he upon whom is the curse of Allaah,His Angels and all of mankind." [Ibn Asakir transmitted it.(Mashari-ul-Ashwaaq by Ibn Nuhaas, Vol 1,P.110)
I think that says it all about them. "Da'wah now, Jihad later" the "Shayookh" have said. As one brother said, "Jihad is about opening up the lands to the justice of Islam". Isn't this one of the highest forms of da'wah? When the Afghanis see Ansaari Mujaahideen Soldiers shaheed insha'Allah in their country, isn't this da'wah?
http://www.as-sahwah.com/discus/messages/6/2450.html
I thought the Jihad would remain till the Day of Judgement? Just because these brothers would rather stay at home and paint their nails, they label the Mujaahideen and shuhadaa' in Afghanistan as "deviants", 'coz the taliban are "Deobandis"? May Allah give them what they wish upon others. Ameen.
Wa-salaam,
(Wahabi/Salafi)Umm.
P.S. Sorry for going on, but they make me sick! Brother Samer, protect your Deen and stay away from them!
By Samer on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 01:08 pm: Edit
Assalam-u-alikum,
So nice of you replying me sister. What do you say about bin baz, ibn uthemein or alabani....Are they also from the Delates?
Wasalam
By Samer on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 01:10 pm: Edit
I have asked about them because i heard that these masheikhs used to show loyality and love to Saudi goverment.
Wasalam
By Umm (Umm) on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 03:51 pm: Edit
Salaam,
Well, I don't agree with Shaykh ibn Baz's (RH) fatwa regarding the Yank troops being stationed in Saudia. I heard he was lied to by Fahd, and a lot of other factors too, and Allah knows best. The Scholar gets one or two rewards, and his affair is with Allah. I would never call him a Delta, he was nothing like them, and I was deeply saddened by his death. An interesting point:
Sheikh ibn Baz (RH) was at Hajj (I think 1997?) and these Deltas asked him if Bosnia had been a Jihad. He said "Yes". I think they also asked about Kashmir and Chechnya, but I am not sure on this. Anyway, these Deltas from Birmingham tape the Sheikh (RM). Now somehow, I don't know how, this tape goes missing after they land in the UK. Furthermore, they all seem to develop amnaesia of the event, as surely they wouldn't lie and say that he never said this, right?
As for Sheikh al-Albaani (RM), he was expelled from country to country because of his "politically incorrect" views.
"With respect to Jihad, O my brother, in this time and before this time it is fard ayn, because the problem at hand is not a problem of Bosnia and Cechnya (alone) which has again moved the emotions of the muslim youth. For here we have neighbouring us, the Jews who have occupied Palestine, and not a single Islamic country has moved to establish the obligation of making Jihad with them, and evicting them and throwing them in the sea, as some of or one of the presidents of the Islamic lands used to say.
And the point is that Jihad is fard ayn, because many of the muslim lands have been occupied in the past and the present by the kuffaar. And the likes of this occupation is not hidden from the muslim who concerns himself with the affairs of the muslims, not to speak of the Islamic groups or Islamic sects or Islamic lands..." [Sheikh al-albaani's fatwa on Jihad]
No "Delta" would say this.
I love both of these Shayookh Masha'Allah, and I free myself from those who revile them. However, I am not at the other extreme of giving bay'ah to an APOSTATE LEADER!!!!!!
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By Abu Azzam (Azzam) on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 05:39 pm: Edit
salams brother samer
in these time of fitnah there are many groups claiming to be upun the haqq whilst calling other devient. my advise stay away from all groups who do not have the following two charactristics
1. ilm when thy talk they do not takl from quran and sunnah WITH THENDERSTANDING OF TEH SALAF.
2. jihaad. they do not give dawah to jihaad nor do they love of support the mujahideen.
i say thi based on the following hadith.
the meaning of the hadith:
a shaabah once asked the prophet which is the saved group andteh prophet saw replied
the right group will have 2 qualities
1 ilm
2 jihaad, the will fight for the islam
i was discussing oce with a super salafi the situation in afghanistan and he said to me well tey havea devint aqeedah ie they are deobandi thus they are being punished. they always say punishment comes when your aqeedah is not right.
if they say things of sort then say to them what was the fault of the prophet saw's aqeedah when he was stoned in madinah by all the children. i hope hey get get mugged by some thug on the street so i can say to them "well it was a pinishment cos YOU GOTA DODGY AQEEDAH".
wasalams
By Umm (Umm) on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 05:48 pm: Edit
Salaam,
Ha ha! Abu Azzam, they're gonna say "Akhee, it was a test, as Allah tests those He loves"!!!
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By Abu Muslim on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 04:17 pm: Edit
As salaam 'alaikum wa Rahmatullah
Sister 'UMM' - that was quite an outburst! Some of it being accurate alhamdulillah but I just want to comment on one thing that you said about these 'supersalafis' that they claim off the social security and etc. etc.
There is andvantage in claiming off the Kuffar as this allows Muslims to spend more time in the Deen, both learning and striving. Also the 1 who is receiving some money off the gov. is not necessarily the one with the 'lower hand', as he or she may be spending that money in the way Allah ta'ala. This mentatality of ours is wrong that to be honourable Muslims, we must get 'fat' jobs be respectable in society and give Islam a good image through this- as this alone finishes the average Muslim- fatigues him and the fitna of the office etc. rubs off on his character. Only a very brothers and sisters can resist these attacks of Shaytan-
The Anbiya themselves were in poverty, they were those who forsook the dunya for the akhira, and they were those who were the social 'rejects' of the kufr societies. Alhamdulillah Muslims have to be happy when they face similar circumstances.
Let me tell you a story of a graduate- got a good degree, then worked for some Jewish company until Allah (swt) made for him a way to leave. He left, did some small business that Alhamdulillah failed. I say Alhamdulillah as those bros made istikharah before they embarked on this, and Allah saved them from the evils that could have come across their way if the business kicked off. Anyway, now those bros claim. Some have familes, they have council homes, receive about 6oo per month through benefits and alhamdulillah all there time they are working for Islam- they mash'Allah fear Allah ta'ala and mentally and emotionally have decided to strive in the way of Allah ta'ala. They alhamdulillah are not chasing material goals, and are full time working for Islam. Actually that is how it shoud be- we should be getting sufficient money in order to work for Islam. Now if you feel that you want to spend full time for Islam- and get money from these Kuffar who suck our money through taxes anyway- then Alhamdulillah- go for it. You will do much more for Islam than the one who is an office worker- working for some Yahudi telecomunications firm, or some computer firm that support Yahudi interests. Paying 35% tax on income earnt, slaving 9-5 everyday, mixing with Kuffar, having to bear their racist environment, contributing to the development of their empires that fund war against Muslims.
And after all this we see this people spending their money on nice cars and jeeps, proud and boastful at the isha prayer that they are students of knowladge who sacrifice all for Islam, when infact Islam does not even receive 1/8 of the wealth they earn.
Been there, done that- hated it and ask Allah ta'ala to have Mercy on me and other Muslims and save us from being enslaved by the kuffar.
Sisters who wish to claim, as you want to also want to give up this dunya for the akhira- well get your husbands to do all the paperwork- and then once you have a bigger place or some more money, help those who strive for the rejuvination of this Ummah, and be good wives and push your husbands to march forth.
Maybe I have have not articulated my self well enough in this mail, but just to conclude- if someone is getting money from the Kuffar, and this allows them to live and spend and strive in the path and cause of Allah ta'ala- then alhamdulillah that is ok. The Muslim must then really utalise this time to work for the deen, and not squander this blessing from Allah. And the last thing other Muslims should do is criticise them for this, look down upon them, insult them, and treat them like losers, as these people have sacrificed a great deal to work for the Deen
Please forgive me if I have offended the sister or anyone else who reads this, but to establish Dar-ul-Islam, as safe sanctatity for Muslims and Islam is not a oart time job,nor a hobby or pastime- it should be the full time job of every Muslim who wishes to happily meet his Lord on the Day.
Wasalam
By Umm (Umm) on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:57 pm: Edit
Salaam,
jazakullah khairan Abu Muslim for the posting, I am not offended in any way. My point about the benefits system was 2-fold
1) it involves lying, and it is not permissible, just 'coz they're kaafirs.
2) It IS begging. "the 1 who is receiving some money off the gov. is not necessarily the one with the 'lower hand', as he or she may be spending that money in the way Allah ta'ala." What they spend it on is immaterial brother. It IS still begging, as the kuffar are supporting you.
The Anbiya were poor yes, but these bros are hardly doing da'wah like them! I mean, it's like Abu Hurayrah (RA). They will always quote his story, how he was one of the ahl-us-suffah. The thing is, are they rolling around on the floor unconscious with hunger like him? Are they taking deen like him? Why do they never quote the hadith of Umar and his neightbour taking it in turns to work one-day, and take Deen from the Prophet (SAW) the next day? Why not mention how Abdur-rahman ibn Auf refused Sa’ad Ibn Rabe’a Al-Ansari's offer of one of his wives to be divorced for him, and 1 garden given to him? Instead, he worked. It is bad for da'wah to take from the Kuffar. That's why they say "You Pakis come here and live off our taxes!"
"This mentatality of ours is wrong that to be honourable Muslims, we must get 'fat' jobs be respectable in society and give Islam a good image through this-"
Naah, I don't hold those poncy Ikhwaani views! Be a lawyer, and the kaafirs will respect u. A'oothu billah! I am not advocating working for the kuffar per se. You made many valid points regarding taxes etc. I have seen first-hand people caught up in slaving away for the dunya, thinking it is for a hijrah one-day. I don't advocate that, nor do I look down on the "poor".
Let's look at hijrah. These people who live off the welfare state, usually have no kaafir qualifications. Now, I don't hold any weight by them, EXCEPT that Muslim countries ask for them, if u wanna work there. So these people, instead of using this country and getting some skills, then making a hijrah and benefitting the Ummah, they live off the benefits, and are stuck here. Their only hope is the Muqbil camp, where they used to be provided food etc for free by the Shaykh (RM). Will Saudi let them live there? Will any Muslim country welcome them with open arms? We don't have the Ansaar nowadays. In countries such as Pakistan etc, u got 2 choices, work or starve. This generation has become far too poncy, and that is probably FROM poncing!!! They say when it concerns jihad that the most, erm, "delicate" brothers are the yanks, and 2nd, the Brits! Why? Too much of a comfortable life-style!
If I was a brother, I would rather work for a muslim business, then claim off the Benefits. You need work experience to get a job abroad, or else you will only have the choice of living off the bait-ul-mal. Now to me, we are young, and can work. Why not let the elders and sick do that, and only resort to it ourselves, in times of necessity, e.g. when a widow of a Shaheed insha'Allah?
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By Umm Zainab on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 12:39 am: Edit
As Salam Alaikum
Bismillah
I read the above articles I sadden by what I have read. The First thing is we should not put all salafi's in that baskets that they all live off state benefit's, and those who do whether salaf's or not one should not live off the government even if the Government was a Islamic Government because there are condition to receive Zakat. Those who Allah has blessed with Good health should seek Allah's Rizks, as one can not use the excuse that he or she is live of the state in order to gain knowledge of this deen, this was not done by the Salaf and we a Muslim need to provide for those Allah has place in our care. No man will gain the respect of his wive(s) from living off the state as it is not permissible to beg in Islam. However if one was to fall short and have to claim benefit the individual should have the intention to change his condition by providing for those in his care.
We as Muslim should not justify living off others and start living to help others. It is better to cut fire wood than to beg. Those brothers who are think about marriage should first makesure you can maintain a wife otherwise will find married life short. I is not Islamic to wish bad for you brothers and sisters, we have short comings, I believe that Allah will so those ignorant Salafi the correct methodology of Salaf that they claim to follow. Brothers and sister do not fall in the same trap of those you mentioned, Give good advice with wisdom and good speech as perhaps they may take your advice. Remember THIS DEEN IS GOOD ADVICE
“O you who believe! Spend of the good things which you have (legally) earned and which of that We have produced from the earth for you, and do not aim at what which is bad to spend from it, (though) you would not accept it save if you close your eyes and tolerate therein, And Know that Allah is Rich (free of all needs) and worthy of all Praise”
Suarh 2 Verse 267
translation the noble Quran
Allah knows best!!!!
By Abu Salihah on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 12:50 am: Edit
Brother no no no
Not the Kaffirs respect you but you respect yourself. I can't believe what I read SubhanAllah.
Bro it is compulsary to make the hajj how are you going to make the hajj on income support how are you going to make the hijrah how are you going to spend in Allah cause ?
The Prophet pbuh made dua to Allah against laziness and poverty
By Abu Muslim on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 09:00 pm: Edit
As salaam 'alaikum wa Rahmatullah
1- I cant believe how you sisters have also stigmatised those on benefit- just like how the Kuffar have calculated that those on benefit are 'lazy' 'poor' and 'the losers of society'- so have you!
We are Muslims now, and must lose concepts that the Kuffar have imprinted on our minds through education and media.
The social services are a service that the Kuffar provide for those unemployed, or those not able to work. This is the' safety net' that the Kuffar claim to provide people who are not in work. They receive taxes from the working population and use them mainly to establish their system of Kufr, and a percentage of this Tax goes towards benefits. In actual fact to say that those who claim 'beg' the Kuffar for money is a relative statement and depends upon viewpoint, as the viewed from another angle it is a use of service- just like going to the police for help- some may say that one is taking the police as awliyah or as protectors, others may say its a service that one can use in certain situations.
Also it is unwise to compare this system to the Zakat system as one is a system contrived by human minds while the other is a Divine revelation, and are thus incomparible.Yes one has to meet a certain criterion to receive Zakat, but that is off Muslims and this is off Kuffar. You might have the opinion that we cannot cheat the Kuffar as they are not at war with us, well- that is not the opinion of many, so as far as they are concerned there is no problem with taking money from Kuffar establishments- and giving 1/5th to the Islam. The problem here is that the Ummah has no authority like an amir who can give the verdict whether this Ummah is at war or not. Different sheikhs ar giving different fatawa and the Ummah continues to be unorganised.
Abu Salihah akhi you have jumped to big conclusions that those on benefit are lazy as the mizan for laziness is not whether you work ot not-! Many sincere Muslims do not work but spend that time in publications, dawah, learning travellign abroad for dawah etc etc.- you have no evidence or right to call such people lazy! And this is the quality of people which Islam requires, full time strivers, not people who slave for the Kuffar and leave the weekend for Islam alone. Sad thing is that those who earn the money dont help Islamic causes and provide work for those Muslim brothers who wnat to work for Islam. Mnay people work in projects that help Muslims and Islam but they are redundant as there is no money- this Ummah in theory works like a machine, those work with money help those have time to transform this money into Islamic projects etc.
Sister above made a point that people should work for Muslim companies- that seems feasable. Even work for charities that provide relief- sort clothes etc.- but help the Ummah.
I am not against halal work but am disgusted by the comments posted here that depict views and stereotypycal conclusions of the Kuffar. For a Muslim to prove himself not be lazy- he must enslave for the Kuffar? 9-5 and then whats left over give to Islam when ISLAM and Muslims are humiliated in every part of the world!
Sister made a comment that no husband will gain the respect of his wife if he claims- well I seek refuge in Allah from a wife like that. The last thing Muslims should want distractions, and a wife that pushes her husband to work for Kuffar and not Islam- that is a big test from Allah (swt). The sister said that 'NO MAN' wil gain the respect of his wife-- well alhamdulillah we know many sisters who understand their husbands and encourage them to concentrate on Islamic work.
What I have written is in defence of those who claim- so if you claim and read this, then I encourage you that the time you have use it for Islam alone- be it dawah, family etc.Dont listen to Muslims out there who want you to give up your freedom and become slaves to the capitalist. But at the moment Islam needs money, so if you can work for anything that will help Muslims, then grab it for the sake of Islam and Muslims and not 'gaining the respect of your wife' or have a higher standard of liviing- as this is the time for sacrifice and struggle-
The truth is that this discussion will not produce a right or wrong answer as I can not convince you of my opinion- nor can you convince me otherwise- i will advise you not to insult the intellegence and character of those Muslims who claim for whatever reasons- as the honour of Muslims is haram to you.
was salam
By Umm (Umm) on Saturday, June 01, 2002 - 08:29 am: Edit
Salaam,
In reply to what Abu Muslim wrote:
Also it is unwise to compare this system to the Zakat system as one is a system contrived by human minds while the other is a Divine revelation, and are thus incomparible.Yes one has to meet a certain criterion to receive Zakat, but that is off Muslims and this is off Kuffar.
My brother, I never said it was exactly the same thing. But people I know who have worked for the social security offices will tell you that they are actually taught that this system is based on the Islamic system of Zakah! Obviously zakah is a better system, but they have learnt from us!
I did not say it is NEVER allowed to take benefits, I said to deliberately not work, is what I disagreee with. If you lose your job and have to claim temporarily, no problem. One brother is an exorcist Masha'Allah, who people visit daily till about 1:00 AM most days. Someone like this has an exceptional circumstance in my view. Those that do da'wah, then again, read what I said about Umar (RA). Do these brothers take Deen more than him? The Prophet (SAW) said "Young men, marry if you are ABLE..." He (SAW) did not say, if the Kaafirs will give you money to live. It is the wife's primary right that the husband supports her. I agree that if he is just at home, and can't be bothered to work, the wife will not respect him. I would rather a husband swept roads than sit at home like a woman because "I ain't working with Kaafirs, there is too much fitnah out there!" Yet these same brothers can go to Hyde Park where women are sun-bathing, or walkng past brothers in practically nothing! Why not work for Muslims, or even Kaafirs (segregating of course), but without becoming a slave to the "deenar or diram"? No-one is saying brothers should work to get hefty bank accounts, or become "respected" by the Kuffar.
Let me tell u something Abu Muslim. I never met ONE person in my life that was unemployed, until I met the Salafis! I could walk into a room and 10/10, not even 9/10 sisters would say that they are living with the in-laws and their husbands are claiming benefits. They are not all full-time da'ees are they? This was my point which u seem to have missed repeatedly.
"You might have the opinion that we cannot cheat the Kuffar as they are not at war with us, well- that is not the opinion of many, so as far as they are concerned there is no problem with taking money from Kuffar establishments- and giving 1/5th to the Islam."
Okay, this is daar-ul-harb now, the rules have changed. I was making a general point. Now, we take what we can from them! And where is your daleel about giving 1/5 to Islam justifying being on the dole, per se? Has some Shaykh said this?
"Abu Salihah akhi you have jumped to big conclusions that those on benefit are lazy as the mizan for laziness is not whether you work ot not-! Many sincere Muslims do not work but spend that time in publications, dawah, learning travellign abroad for dawah etc etc.- you have no evidence or right to call such people lazy!" I agree with Abu Salihah Masha'Allah. Give me a proof from Qur'an and Sunnah that those engaged in da'wah do not have to support their wives from their own hands.
"For a Muslim to prove himself not be lazy- he must enslave for the Kuffar? 9-5 and then whats left over give to Islam when ISLAM and Muslims are humiliated in every part of the world!"
Yes brother, go survey how many brothers who are unemployed are working full-time for Islam. You will get a surprise! And if you work, you will have more of a chance of financially aiding the Jihad, Charities etc. You did make this point Masha'Allah when you said But at the moment Islam needs money, so if you can work for anything that will help Muslims, then grab it for the sake of Islam and Muslims
As for saying,
"Dont listen to Muslims out there who want you to give up your freedom and become slaves to the capitalist. But at the moment Islam needs money, so if you can work for anything that will help Muslims, then grab it for the sake of Islam and Muslims and not 'gaining the respect of your wife' or have a higher standard of liviing- as this is the time for sacrifice and struggle-"
We did not say work to become a capitalist, astagfirullah! Is this was Abdur-Rahman ibn Auf (RA) was doing when he refused his Ansari brother's offer of help and instead said:
"May Allah bless your wealth. Show me the way to the Souq" We agree on one thing alhamdulillah, that this is the time for sacrifice and struggle.
As for what u have written regarding the wife, I will say one thing. All these brothers who claim off the Kaafirs, go ask them if they would let their sisters marry a man who is not working? Or would it be "Naah Akee, u need a job before u marry my sister, 'coz it's bad for da'wah in the family otherwise" How many brothers have ruined the da'wah with the in-laws because they are always having to support their daughter, and sometimes the kids aswell, while the son-in-law is sitting at home all day? If they are asking you to do haram, ignore them. If it is from Islam that u work with your own hands, then why not? If all the brothers had this attitude Abu Muslim, you would have no-one able to pay zakah and contribute towards the bait-ul-mal (treasury). The room would be empty!!!!
And I never said work to get a highter standard of living. This is a slander. Isn't my honour sacred to you?
So to sum up, I agree in claiming the benefits under exceptional circumstances, namely
1) Illness
2) temporary loss of job
3) If u are full-time in a job like an exorcist etc, and it is not enought to support your family.
As for Da'wah being an exception, I disagree. Go ask Abu Muntasir masha'Allah who has over 10 children, and is always doing the da'wah Masha'Allah, if he claims these benefits? No, he works Masha'Allah! My point is that 99% of the brothers who claim, are NOT da'ees. And I never said every salafi ponces, I consider myself a salafi, I said it was a general characteristic.
Pls brothers, tell me if u do claim, whether your in-laws/family mind? And also would u let your sister/daughter marry someone who doesn't work? 'Coz I would rather have a son-in-law who cleaned toilets and supported his wife (not with the luxuries of the dunya) than one who ponced without justification.
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By Abu Muslim on Saturday, June 01, 2002 - 12:51 pm: Edit
As Salaam ‘Alaikum
1st thing sister- to continue this particular discussion is not really that worthwhile on this message board as we can be spending our time more constructevly researching more ‘worthy’ issues. You have your view point and I have mine- like I said before we will never reach a correct or incorrect conclusion to this topic.
I want to reply to many things that you mentioned in your last mail, but to cut this fairly ‘time consuming’ debate, I will not continue any further.
But just to touch upon another topic- and that is of poverty.
“Shaitan threatens you with poverty and orders you to commit Fahisha, and Allah promises you forgiveness from Himself and abundance; and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing.” 2:268-
Al-Tirmidhi HadithHadith 5172- Narrated byAbuHurayrah
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) told that Allah said, "Son of Adam, if you devote your heart to unpreoccupied worship of me I shall fill your breast with sufficiency and make your poverty cease; but if you do not do so I shall fill your hand with work and not make your poverty cease."Ahmad and Ibn Majah transmitted it.
Al-Tirmidhi HadithHadith 5252 Narrated byAbdullah ibn Mughaffal
A man came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said, "I love you." When he had told him to consider what he was saying, and the man declared three times, "I swear by Allah that I love you," he replied, "If you are speaking the truth, prepare a complete armour for poverty, for poverty certainly comes quicker to those who love me than a flood does to its destination."Tirmidhi transmitted it, saying this is a hasan gharib tradition.
Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 7.24 Narrated bySahl bin Sad As Saidi
A woman came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have come to give you myself in marriage (without Mahr)." Allah's Apostle looked at her. He looked at her carefully and fixed his glance on her and then lowered his head. When the lady saw that he did not say anything, she sat down. A man from his companions got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! If you are not in need of her, then marry her to me." The Prophet said, "Have you got anything to offer?" The man said, "No, by Allah, O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet said (to him), "Go to your family and see if you have something." The man went and returned, saying, "No, by Allah, I have not found anything." Allah's Apostle said, "(Go again) and look for something, even if it is an iron ring." He went again and returned, saying, "No, by Allah, O Allah's Apostle! I could not find even an iron ring, but this is my Izar (waist sheet)." He had no rida. He added, "I give half of it to her." Allah's Apostle said, "What will she do with your Izar? If you wear it, she will be naked, and if she wears it, you will be naked." So that man sat down for a long while and then got up (to depart). When Allah's Apostle saw him going, he ordered that he be called back. When he came, the Prophet said, "How much of the Qur+an do you know?" He said, "I know such Sura and such Sura," counting them. The Prophet said, "Do you know them by heart?" He replied, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Go, I marry her to you for that much of the Qur'an which you have."
Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 4.385 Narrated byAmr bin Auf Al Ansari
(who was an ally of Bam 'Amr bin Lu'ai and one of those who had taken part in (the ghazwa of) Badr): Allah's Apostle sent Abu 'Ubaida bin Al-Jarreh to Bahrain to collect the Jizya. Allah's Apostle had established peace with the people of Bahrain and appointed Al-'Ala' bin Al-Hadrami as their governor. When Abu 'Ubaida came from Bahrain with the money, the Ansar heard of Abu 'Ubaida's arrival which coincided with the time of the morning prayer with the Prophet. When Allah's Apostle led them in the morning prayer and finished, the Ansar approached him, and he looked at them and smiled on seeing them and said, "I feel that you have heard that Abu 'Ubaida has brought something?" They said, "Yes, O Allah's Apostle." He said, "Rejoice and hope for what will please you! By Allah, I am not afraid of your poverty but I am afraid that you will lead a life of luxury as past nations did, whereupon you will compete with each other for it, as they competed for it, and it will destroy you as it destroyed them."
Muslims should be striving to get closer to Allah (swt)- each one knows his own situation and is a guardian over some one or another.
Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 3.733 Narrated byAbdullah bin Umar that he heard Allah's Apostle saying, "Everyone of you is a guardian and is responsible for his charge; the ruler is a guardian and is responsible for his subjects; the man is a guardian in his family and responsible for his charges; a woman is a guardian of her husband's house and responsible for her charges; and the servant is a guardian of his master's property and is responsible for his charge." I definitely heard the above from the Prophet and think that the Prophet also said, "A man is a guardian of his father's property and responsible for his charges; so everyone of you is a guardian and responsible for his charges."
So all you guardians out there- you have responsibilities and have your own diverse range of wishes goals. Worship Allah ta’ala as He wants you to worship Him, stay within Halal-
Those of you who slander those who claim for whatever reason . Especially those who give up the dunya and chose to lead ascetic simple lives- you wish to call them lazy, beggars, ‘ponces’ etc etc.-
“O you who believe! Let not a group scoff at another group, it may be that the latter are better than the former. Nor let (some) women scoff at other women, it may be that the latter are better than the former. NOR DEFAME ONE ANOTHER, NOR INSULT ONE ANOTHER BY NICKNAMES. How bad it is to insult one’s brother after having faith. And whosoever does not repent such are the Zalimoon. O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion; indeed some suspicions are sins. And spy not nor backbite one another…” 49:11-12
was salam
By Abu Mujahid (Irtaza) on Saturday, June 01, 2002 - 10:36 pm: Edit
Assalamu alaikum
In your original message you said
"Acording to "Shaykh" Rabee, there is no Jihad in Kashmir, it's all being fought for political reasons."
Nowthen, can you tell me what he said exactly and where he said it and whether it is a tape or not, also when he said it (if you have that information). I really want to know.
Assalamu alaikum
By Umm (Umm) on Saturday, June 01, 2002 - 11:27 pm: Edit
Salaam,
As for Abu Muslim, I still maintain that I am NOT saying work for dunya, but to fulfill the wife's right to maintenance, even if that money is LESS than the dole. It is a point of Iza. The hadith of the sahabi who was married for how much Qur'an he knew, these were, as far as I can remember, long surahs like al-baqarah and ali-Imraan. Not 1/2 of juz Amma like some bros do! And the Prophet (SAW) sent him 3 TIMES, to find somehing materialistc first, even if it was small. I never advocated huge dowries and large salaries. I merely said a man should work with his own 2 hands, even as a road-sweeper (i.e. a non-prestigous job) rather than claim. I fail to see why u keep insisting that I look down on the poor and encourage people to be dunya. Anyway, we'll leave this insha'Allah. You have obviously missed the point that working is better, rather than let the kuffar support you.
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By Umm (Umm) on Saturday, June 01, 2002 - 11:49 pm: Edit
Salaam,
And brother Abu Mujahid, it was said to 2 brothers (1 from Lashkar), in person, within the last 2 years (I think at Hajj or Umrah)
He claimed that his Scholars say that the Jihad in Kashmir is not Jihad, because it is being fought for political reasons. This contradicts what Sheikh ul-Islam has said:
("Ibn Taymiyyah , after mentioning the Moguls (Tatar) and their
behaviour in changing the law of Allah, stated that: the ultimate aim of pleasing Allah, raising His word, instituting His religion and obeying His messenger (ALLAH'S BLESSING AND SALUTATIONS ON HIM) is to fight the enemy, in every aspects and in a complete manner; if the danger to the religion from not fighting is greater than that of fighting, then it is a duty to fight them even if the intention of some of the fighters is not pure i.e . fighting for the sake of leadership (personal gain) or if they do not To repel the greatest of the two dangers on the expense of the lesser one is an Islamic principle which should be observed." [Declaration Of War Usama Bin Ladin )
When these 2 brothers asked him who his Scholars are who say this, he named 3 (I don't have their names). These brothers told him, that 2 of them go to the LT annual Conferences, and give them Tazkiyyah (so much for his knowledge of his Scholars opinions!) The 3rd one's son supports them. When told this, look at the reaction of this "Shaykh". Does he humbly admit his mistake, and research further? No! He says "Okay then, You go, YOU go jihad, go on then!" What kind of Adab is this?
I am not saying that he is a munafiq, but he is a pro-saudi govt Scholar. i do not deny he has ilm of hadith, but he is not a Scholar. A (minor) student yes, but not a Scholar. Abu Mujahid, if u want, get someone to go up to him and ask where there is a Jihad in the world, and let me know insha'Allah!
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By Abu LAYLAH on Saturday, June 01, 2002 - 11:16 pm: Edit
Abu Muslim are you A Muslim ?
The message board are for Muslim please do not post thing to distract the Muslims and Please brothers and sisters please do not encourage such views and ideas.
By Hafidh on Sunday, June 02, 2002 - 08:20 am: Edit
Salam,
When i was in Saudia 4 years ago, i asked about the scholars of saudia from a saudi student of jamya saud.He was from the city of Qaseem(city of Sheikh hamood uqla). He told me that there are two sort of scholars. One are those who advise goverment when they are wrong. They include bin baz,ibn uthemein, hamood uqla and many others.The other ones are those who completely back up goverment, no matter what they do. And every action of goverment is justfied by them, and they are scholars of medina. God knows best.
By Umm (Umm) on Sunday, June 02, 2002 - 07:20 pm: Edit
Salaam,
Erm, Abu Laylah... brother, u don't doubt someone's Islam for these sort of views! Abu Muslim has never said it is halal to commit one of the 10 negations of Islam. I may disagree with him, and have strong views on Fahd, Musharraf etc, but Subhanallah! Some people make me look soft!!!!
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By ibn on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 12:02 pm: Edit
Inshallah evidence for the Jihad in Kashmir, and LT will soon be available on the net. These fataawa are by respected scholars of our times, so even the DELTA's amongst us will strugle to refute. Having said that, there will always be people who chose to sit at home and pass judgement upon the muslims who struggle with their lives and wealth.
May Allah swt guide us all to the truth, use our lives to serve the religion and when death comes, let it be in the front lines facing Allah's enemys. ameen
By Umm (Umm) on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 01:49 pm: Edit
Salaam,
Yes Masha'Allah brother, this is so true. On another discussion board, a so-called "Muslim" called the executers of Daniel "Yahoodi Jasus" Pearl "ANIMALS"!!! Well I told this person that when
1) they have instilled as much fear into the American military presence in Pakistan as they have, and
2)put one foot within 50 miles of the front line, THEN, come and criticize them!!!
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By Ahmad on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 03:56 am: Edit
Assalamaualykum,
Sister "Umm", please be careful in what you write. You are talking about the honour of other muslims. You can not use the excuse "they slander muslims, mujahideen etc. - so i will slander them" this is not a valid argument. So my advise to you and others on this board is to say something good and of benefit or otherwise remain silent. When talking about scholars, and muslims in general you must bring CLEAR PROOF if you wish to warn about them or something. But to say a brother told me and i heard from someone that he said this and he said that - is pathetic.
Look at the scales of justice you have set up for yourself when making judegements and rulings on these people... You condemn all those who you labled on the actions of possibly a few individuals that you experianced if that. You then go and say theu all lazy and claim of the job seekers allowance etc. Please look at what you are doing and show some insaaf, please.
By Umm (Umm) on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 12:28 pm: Edit
Salaam,
"When talking about scholars, and muslims in general you must bring CLEAR PROOF if you wish to warn about them or something. But to say a brother told me and i heard from someone that he said this and he said that - is pathetic.
Of course, if I was on SP cussing Shaykh Usamah, Shaykh Azzam (RM) this would be a valid way to do it. If you think these brothers are lying, that's your problem. I take their word. It ties-in exactly with Rabee's known views.
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
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Know Our Lord is One, Our Book is One,
Our Path is One, Our Goal is One,
Our Nation Is One and Our Enemy Is One!
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By Abu Maryam (Abumariyum) on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 06:40 pm: Edit
as-salamu'alaykum wa raHmatullah
I don't think anyone was defending the manner, methodology of da'wah promoted by the likes of Salafi Publication.
But I think the brother was sincerly trying to say that, don't fall into the same trap that you accuse them of falling into.
There is a general problem in this board, of the lack of husna dhann, lack of correct adhab concerning differences of opinions whether justified or not. I was wondering if anyone listened to the lecture by Abu Ammaar Yasir Qadhi, on he Story of Ifk - The Slander of 'Aisha. Insha'Allah I think it would be a good reminder for myself first and everyone else on this board.
You can find the audio, on a number of websites, www.Islaam.Net, www.audioislam.com, www.sunnahonline.com.
was-salamu'alaykum wa rahmatullah
IslamicAwakening.Com Discussion Board: Islaam in general: What`s this salafipublications.com?
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By Samer on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 09:45 pm: Edit
Assala-u-alikum brothers and sisters,
Can anyone tell me who`s this salafipublications? I visited that site, but i felt very strange after reading articles against sheikh safar hawali and sheikh suleman auda. Can anyone clear this matter? I`ll be very thankful.
Wasalam.
By Umm (Umm) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 11:32 pm: Edit
Salaam,
Well brother, this article says it all.
http://www.as-sahwah.com/discus/messages/2/1468.html#POST2717
It's all cr*p!!! They label everyone, and I mean EVERYONE deviants, who do not conform to their extreme version of Islam. They are NOT Salafis. They are Deltas (elite special force "Salfis"). They have stopped salaaming those they deem deviant. They do not consider any country to have a jihad in it, and they LOOOVVVEE King "I love the Yank Govt" Fahd. Showing them evidences from the Qur'an and Sunnah is a waste of time. Wallaahi, I have been down this road with them. All they say is "but Shaykh (i.e. minor student of knowledge) such-and-such said this...." And I'm like, "Erm.... the Messenger of Allah (SAW) said this..."
They have the worst manners, are the most sarcastic, and they are always on the ponce! [N****, I know u're laughing reading this!!!] Ponce off the Kaafir Govt (claiming the social security benefits), ponce off fellow Muslims, make a nice hijrah and ponce off the Muqbil (RM) camp. What happened to the upper hand being better than the lower hand? Some of their wives calim the benefits by saying that "Someone's got me pregnant!" Wallahu Musta'an! Your "Salafi" wife is wearing all-black from head to toe, and she tells the Kaafirs that she is an unmarried mother, for £10 extra a week than claiming to be married? I heard that one Kaafir in the benefits office said to one of these sisters, "You are a Muslim woman who veils. I thought you covered up to stop men looking at you. How did someone get you pregnant then?" Subhanallah! It would be funny, if the husband's weren't the "Hey Akhee! Be a REAL man! Take 4 wives!" da'ee-type (never mind not having the means to support 1, let alone 4). To them, the Muslim who makes one mistake is treated worse than a kaafir. But their own relatives (jaahil muslim or kaafirs) are treated so nicely!
I showed some of them the picture of a Palestinian baby shot in the heart (it brought tears to my eyes, and I'm not the most religious person). Their reaction "Oh well! These people are fighting for their land". They make me soooo sick!!!
Acording to "Shaykh" Rabee, there is no Jihad in Kashmir, it's all being fought for political reasons. Yeah, nice one, tell that to the women who are being raped, and having their children's bones broken in front of them. In fact, to them, there is no jihad ANYWHERE. Look at this hadith:
"On the authority of Zaid bin Aslam Al-Adawi (RA) from his father (RA),the Messenger of Allaah,the Most High,said:Jihaad will remain sweet and green as long as rain continues to drop from the sky,yet,there will come upon the people a time when their scholars will say:'This is not the time for Jihaad.'So whoever witnesses this time then let him know that this is the best time for Jihaad." The Companions asked: "O Messenger of Allaah,will anyone really say that?" He (pbuh) replied: "Yes,he upon whom is the curse of Allaah,His Angels and all of mankind." [Ibn Asakir transmitted it.(Mashari-ul-Ashwaaq by Ibn Nuhaas, Vol 1,P.110)
I think that says it all about them. "Da'wah now, Jihad later" the "Shayookh" have said. As one brother said, "Jihad is about opening up the lands to the justice of Islam". Isn't this one of the highest forms of da'wah? When the Afghanis see Ansaari Mujaahideen Soldiers shaheed insha'Allah in their country, isn't this da'wah?
http://www.as-sahwah.com/discus/messages/6/2450.html
I thought the Jihad would remain till the Day of Judgement? Just because these brothers would rather stay at home and paint their nails, they label the Mujaahideen and shuhadaa' in Afghanistan as "deviants", 'coz the taliban are "Deobandis"? May Allah give them what they wish upon others. Ameen.
Wa-salaam,
(Wahabi/Salafi)Umm.
P.S. Sorry for going on, but they make me sick! Brother Samer, protect your Deen and stay away from them!
By Samer on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 01:08 pm: Edit
Assalam-u-alikum,
So nice of you replying me sister. What do you say about bin baz, ibn uthemein or alabani....Are they also from the Delates?
Wasalam
By Samer on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 01:10 pm: Edit
I have asked about them because i heard that these masheikhs used to show loyality and love to Saudi goverment.
Wasalam
By Umm (Umm) on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 03:51 pm: Edit
Salaam,
Well, I don't agree with Shaykh ibn Baz's (RH) fatwa regarding the Yank troops being stationed in Saudia. I heard he was lied to by Fahd, and a lot of other factors too, and Allah knows best. The Scholar gets one or two rewards, and his affair is with Allah. I would never call him a Delta, he was nothing like them, and I was deeply saddened by his death. An interesting point:
Sheikh ibn Baz (RH) was at Hajj (I think 1997?) and these Deltas asked him if Bosnia had been a Jihad. He said "Yes". I think they also asked about Kashmir and Chechnya, but I am not sure on this. Anyway, these Deltas from Birmingham tape the Sheikh (RM). Now somehow, I don't know how, this tape goes missing after they land in the UK. Furthermore, they all seem to develop amnaesia of the event, as surely they wouldn't lie and say that he never said this, right?
As for Sheikh al-Albaani (RM), he was expelled from country to country because of his "politically incorrect" views.
"With respect to Jihad, O my brother, in this time and before this time it is fard ayn, because the problem at hand is not a problem of Bosnia and Cechnya (alone) which has again moved the emotions of the muslim youth. For here we have neighbouring us, the Jews who have occupied Palestine, and not a single Islamic country has moved to establish the obligation of making Jihad with them, and evicting them and throwing them in the sea, as some of or one of the presidents of the Islamic lands used to say.
And the point is that Jihad is fard ayn, because many of the muslim lands have been occupied in the past and the present by the kuffaar. And the likes of this occupation is not hidden from the muslim who concerns himself with the affairs of the muslims, not to speak of the Islamic groups or Islamic sects or Islamic lands..." [Sheikh al-albaani's fatwa on Jihad]
No "Delta" would say this.
I love both of these Shayookh Masha'Allah, and I free myself from those who revile them. However, I am not at the other extreme of giving bay'ah to an APOSTATE LEADER!!!!!!
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By Abu Azzam (Azzam) on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 05:39 pm: Edit
salams brother samer
in these time of fitnah there are many groups claiming to be upun the haqq whilst calling other devient. my advise stay away from all groups who do not have the following two charactristics
1. ilm when thy talk they do not takl from quran and sunnah WITH THENDERSTANDING OF TEH SALAF.
2. jihaad. they do not give dawah to jihaad nor do they love of support the mujahideen.
i say thi based on the following hadith.
the meaning of the hadith:
a shaabah once asked the prophet which is the saved group andteh prophet saw replied
the right group will have 2 qualities
1 ilm
2 jihaad, the will fight for the islam
i was discussing oce with a super salafi the situation in afghanistan and he said to me well tey havea devint aqeedah ie they are deobandi thus they are being punished. they always say punishment comes when your aqeedah is not right.
if they say things of sort then say to them what was the fault of the prophet saw's aqeedah when he was stoned in madinah by all the children. i hope hey get get mugged by some thug on the street so i can say to them "well it was a pinishment cos YOU GOTA DODGY AQEEDAH".
wasalams
By Umm (Umm) on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 05:48 pm: Edit
Salaam,
Ha ha! Abu Azzam, they're gonna say "Akhee, it was a test, as Allah tests those He loves"!!!
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By Abu Muslim on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 04:17 pm: Edit
As salaam 'alaikum wa Rahmatullah
Sister 'UMM' - that was quite an outburst! Some of it being accurate alhamdulillah but I just want to comment on one thing that you said about these 'supersalafis' that they claim off the social security and etc. etc.
There is andvantage in claiming off the Kuffar as this allows Muslims to spend more time in the Deen, both learning and striving. Also the 1 who is receiving some money off the gov. is not necessarily the one with the 'lower hand', as he or she may be spending that money in the way Allah ta'ala. This mentatality of ours is wrong that to be honourable Muslims, we must get 'fat' jobs be respectable in society and give Islam a good image through this- as this alone finishes the average Muslim- fatigues him and the fitna of the office etc. rubs off on his character. Only a very brothers and sisters can resist these attacks of Shaytan-
The Anbiya themselves were in poverty, they were those who forsook the dunya for the akhira, and they were those who were the social 'rejects' of the kufr societies. Alhamdulillah Muslims have to be happy when they face similar circumstances.
Let me tell you a story of a graduate- got a good degree, then worked for some Jewish company until Allah (swt) made for him a way to leave. He left, did some small business that Alhamdulillah failed. I say Alhamdulillah as those bros made istikharah before they embarked on this, and Allah saved them from the evils that could have come across their way if the business kicked off. Anyway, now those bros claim. Some have familes, they have council homes, receive about 6oo per month through benefits and alhamdulillah all there time they are working for Islam- they mash'Allah fear Allah ta'ala and mentally and emotionally have decided to strive in the way of Allah ta'ala. They alhamdulillah are not chasing material goals, and are full time working for Islam. Actually that is how it shoud be- we should be getting sufficient money in order to work for Islam. Now if you feel that you want to spend full time for Islam- and get money from these Kuffar who suck our money through taxes anyway- then Alhamdulillah- go for it. You will do much more for Islam than the one who is an office worker- working for some Yahudi telecomunications firm, or some computer firm that support Yahudi interests. Paying 35% tax on income earnt, slaving 9-5 everyday, mixing with Kuffar, having to bear their racist environment, contributing to the development of their empires that fund war against Muslims.
And after all this we see this people spending their money on nice cars and jeeps, proud and boastful at the isha prayer that they are students of knowladge who sacrifice all for Islam, when infact Islam does not even receive 1/8 of the wealth they earn.
Been there, done that- hated it and ask Allah ta'ala to have Mercy on me and other Muslims and save us from being enslaved by the kuffar.
Sisters who wish to claim, as you want to also want to give up this dunya for the akhira- well get your husbands to do all the paperwork- and then once you have a bigger place or some more money, help those who strive for the rejuvination of this Ummah, and be good wives and push your husbands to march forth.
Maybe I have have not articulated my self well enough in this mail, but just to conclude- if someone is getting money from the Kuffar, and this allows them to live and spend and strive in the path and cause of Allah ta'ala- then alhamdulillah that is ok. The Muslim must then really utalise this time to work for the deen, and not squander this blessing from Allah. And the last thing other Muslims should do is criticise them for this, look down upon them, insult them, and treat them like losers, as these people have sacrificed a great deal to work for the Deen
Please forgive me if I have offended the sister or anyone else who reads this, but to establish Dar-ul-Islam, as safe sanctatity for Muslims and Islam is not a oart time job,nor a hobby or pastime- it should be the full time job of every Muslim who wishes to happily meet his Lord on the Day.
Wasalam
By Umm (Umm) on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:57 pm: Edit
Salaam,
jazakullah khairan Abu Muslim for the posting, I am not offended in any way. My point about the benefits system was 2-fold
1) it involves lying, and it is not permissible, just 'coz they're kaafirs.
2) It IS begging. "the 1 who is receiving some money off the gov. is not necessarily the one with the 'lower hand', as he or she may be spending that money in the way Allah ta'ala." What they spend it on is immaterial brother. It IS still begging, as the kuffar are supporting you.
The Anbiya were poor yes, but these bros are hardly doing da'wah like them! I mean, it's like Abu Hurayrah (RA). They will always quote his story, how he was one of the ahl-us-suffah. The thing is, are they rolling around on the floor unconscious with hunger like him? Are they taking deen like him? Why do they never quote the hadith of Umar and his neightbour taking it in turns to work one-day, and take Deen from the Prophet (SAW) the next day? Why not mention how Abdur-rahman ibn Auf refused Sa’ad Ibn Rabe’a Al-Ansari's offer of one of his wives to be divorced for him, and 1 garden given to him? Instead, he worked. It is bad for da'wah to take from the Kuffar. That's why they say "You Pakis come here and live off our taxes!"
"This mentatality of ours is wrong that to be honourable Muslims, we must get 'fat' jobs be respectable in society and give Islam a good image through this-"
Naah, I don't hold those poncy Ikhwaani views! Be a lawyer, and the kaafirs will respect u. A'oothu billah! I am not advocating working for the kuffar per se. You made many valid points regarding taxes etc. I have seen first-hand people caught up in slaving away for the dunya, thinking it is for a hijrah one-day. I don't advocate that, nor do I look down on the "poor".
Let's look at hijrah. These people who live off the welfare state, usually have no kaafir qualifications. Now, I don't hold any weight by them, EXCEPT that Muslim countries ask for them, if u wanna work there. So these people, instead of using this country and getting some skills, then making a hijrah and benefitting the Ummah, they live off the benefits, and are stuck here. Their only hope is the Muqbil camp, where they used to be provided food etc for free by the Shaykh (RM). Will Saudi let them live there? Will any Muslim country welcome them with open arms? We don't have the Ansaar nowadays. In countries such as Pakistan etc, u got 2 choices, work or starve. This generation has become far too poncy, and that is probably FROM poncing!!! They say when it concerns jihad that the most, erm, "delicate" brothers are the yanks, and 2nd, the Brits! Why? Too much of a comfortable life-style!
If I was a brother, I would rather work for a muslim business, then claim off the Benefits. You need work experience to get a job abroad, or else you will only have the choice of living off the bait-ul-mal. Now to me, we are young, and can work. Why not let the elders and sick do that, and only resort to it ourselves, in times of necessity, e.g. when a widow of a Shaheed insha'Allah?
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By Umm Zainab on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 12:39 am: Edit
As Salam Alaikum
Bismillah
I read the above articles I sadden by what I have read. The First thing is we should not put all salafi's in that baskets that they all live off state benefit's, and those who do whether salaf's or not one should not live off the government even if the Government was a Islamic Government because there are condition to receive Zakat. Those who Allah has blessed with Good health should seek Allah's Rizks, as one can not use the excuse that he or she is live of the state in order to gain knowledge of this deen, this was not done by the Salaf and we a Muslim need to provide for those Allah has place in our care. No man will gain the respect of his wive(s) from living off the state as it is not permissible to beg in Islam. However if one was to fall short and have to claim benefit the individual should have the intention to change his condition by providing for those in his care.
We as Muslim should not justify living off others and start living to help others. It is better to cut fire wood than to beg. Those brothers who are think about marriage should first makesure you can maintain a wife otherwise will find married life short. I is not Islamic to wish bad for you brothers and sisters, we have short comings, I believe that Allah will so those ignorant Salafi the correct methodology of Salaf that they claim to follow. Brothers and sister do not fall in the same trap of those you mentioned, Give good advice with wisdom and good speech as perhaps they may take your advice. Remember THIS DEEN IS GOOD ADVICE
“O you who believe! Spend of the good things which you have (legally) earned and which of that We have produced from the earth for you, and do not aim at what which is bad to spend from it, (though) you would not accept it save if you close your eyes and tolerate therein, And Know that Allah is Rich (free of all needs) and worthy of all Praise”
Suarh 2 Verse 267
translation the noble Quran
Allah knows best!!!!
By Abu Salihah on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 12:50 am: Edit
Brother no no no
Not the Kaffirs respect you but you respect yourself. I can't believe what I read SubhanAllah.
Bro it is compulsary to make the hajj how are you going to make the hajj on income support how are you going to make the hijrah how are you going to spend in Allah cause ?
The Prophet pbuh made dua to Allah against laziness and poverty
By Abu Muslim on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 09:00 pm: Edit
As salaam 'alaikum wa Rahmatullah
1- I cant believe how you sisters have also stigmatised those on benefit- just like how the Kuffar have calculated that those on benefit are 'lazy' 'poor' and 'the losers of society'- so have you!
We are Muslims now, and must lose concepts that the Kuffar have imprinted on our minds through education and media.
The social services are a service that the Kuffar provide for those unemployed, or those not able to work. This is the' safety net' that the Kuffar claim to provide people who are not in work. They receive taxes from the working population and use them mainly to establish their system of Kufr, and a percentage of this Tax goes towards benefits. In actual fact to say that those who claim 'beg' the Kuffar for money is a relative statement and depends upon viewpoint, as the viewed from another angle it is a use of service- just like going to the police for help- some may say that one is taking the police as awliyah or as protectors, others may say its a service that one can use in certain situations.
Also it is unwise to compare this system to the Zakat system as one is a system contrived by human minds while the other is a Divine revelation, and are thus incomparible.Yes one has to meet a certain criterion to receive Zakat, but that is off Muslims and this is off Kuffar. You might have the opinion that we cannot cheat the Kuffar as they are not at war with us, well- that is not the opinion of many, so as far as they are concerned there is no problem with taking money from Kuffar establishments- and giving 1/5th to the Islam. The problem here is that the Ummah has no authority like an amir who can give the verdict whether this Ummah is at war or not. Different sheikhs ar giving different fatawa and the Ummah continues to be unorganised.
Abu Salihah akhi you have jumped to big conclusions that those on benefit are lazy as the mizan for laziness is not whether you work ot not-! Many sincere Muslims do not work but spend that time in publications, dawah, learning travellign abroad for dawah etc etc.- you have no evidence or right to call such people lazy! And this is the quality of people which Islam requires, full time strivers, not people who slave for the Kuffar and leave the weekend for Islam alone. Sad thing is that those who earn the money dont help Islamic causes and provide work for those Muslim brothers who wnat to work for Islam. Mnay people work in projects that help Muslims and Islam but they are redundant as there is no money- this Ummah in theory works like a machine, those work with money help those have time to transform this money into Islamic projects etc.
Sister above made a point that people should work for Muslim companies- that seems feasable. Even work for charities that provide relief- sort clothes etc.- but help the Ummah.
I am not against halal work but am disgusted by the comments posted here that depict views and stereotypycal conclusions of the Kuffar. For a Muslim to prove himself not be lazy- he must enslave for the Kuffar? 9-5 and then whats left over give to Islam when ISLAM and Muslims are humiliated in every part of the world!
Sister made a comment that no husband will gain the respect of his wife if he claims- well I seek refuge in Allah from a wife like that. The last thing Muslims should want distractions, and a wife that pushes her husband to work for Kuffar and not Islam- that is a big test from Allah (swt). The sister said that 'NO MAN' wil gain the respect of his wife-- well alhamdulillah we know many sisters who understand their husbands and encourage them to concentrate on Islamic work.
What I have written is in defence of those who claim- so if you claim and read this, then I encourage you that the time you have use it for Islam alone- be it dawah, family etc.Dont listen to Muslims out there who want you to give up your freedom and become slaves to the capitalist. But at the moment Islam needs money, so if you can work for anything that will help Muslims, then grab it for the sake of Islam and Muslims and not 'gaining the respect of your wife' or have a higher standard of liviing- as this is the time for sacrifice and struggle-
The truth is that this discussion will not produce a right or wrong answer as I can not convince you of my opinion- nor can you convince me otherwise- i will advise you not to insult the intellegence and character of those Muslims who claim for whatever reasons- as the honour of Muslims is haram to you.
was salam
By Umm (Umm) on Saturday, June 01, 2002 - 08:29 am: Edit
Salaam,
In reply to what Abu Muslim wrote:
Also it is unwise to compare this system to the Zakat system as one is a system contrived by human minds while the other is a Divine revelation, and are thus incomparible.Yes one has to meet a certain criterion to receive Zakat, but that is off Muslims and this is off Kuffar.
My brother, I never said it was exactly the same thing. But people I know who have worked for the social security offices will tell you that they are actually taught that this system is based on the Islamic system of Zakah! Obviously zakah is a better system, but they have learnt from us!
I did not say it is NEVER allowed to take benefits, I said to deliberately not work, is what I disagreee with. If you lose your job and have to claim temporarily, no problem. One brother is an exorcist Masha'Allah, who people visit daily till about 1:00 AM most days. Someone like this has an exceptional circumstance in my view. Those that do da'wah, then again, read what I said about Umar (RA). Do these brothers take Deen more than him? The Prophet (SAW) said "Young men, marry if you are ABLE..." He (SAW) did not say, if the Kaafirs will give you money to live. It is the wife's primary right that the husband supports her. I agree that if he is just at home, and can't be bothered to work, the wife will not respect him. I would rather a husband swept roads than sit at home like a woman because "I ain't working with Kaafirs, there is too much fitnah out there!" Yet these same brothers can go to Hyde Park where women are sun-bathing, or walkng past brothers in practically nothing! Why not work for Muslims, or even Kaafirs (segregating of course), but without becoming a slave to the "deenar or diram"? No-one is saying brothers should work to get hefty bank accounts, or become "respected" by the Kuffar.
Let me tell u something Abu Muslim. I never met ONE person in my life that was unemployed, until I met the Salafis! I could walk into a room and 10/10, not even 9/10 sisters would say that they are living with the in-laws and their husbands are claiming benefits. They are not all full-time da'ees are they? This was my point which u seem to have missed repeatedly.
"You might have the opinion that we cannot cheat the Kuffar as they are not at war with us, well- that is not the opinion of many, so as far as they are concerned there is no problem with taking money from Kuffar establishments- and giving 1/5th to the Islam."
Okay, this is daar-ul-harb now, the rules have changed. I was making a general point. Now, we take what we can from them! And where is your daleel about giving 1/5 to Islam justifying being on the dole, per se? Has some Shaykh said this?
"Abu Salihah akhi you have jumped to big conclusions that those on benefit are lazy as the mizan for laziness is not whether you work ot not-! Many sincere Muslims do not work but spend that time in publications, dawah, learning travellign abroad for dawah etc etc.- you have no evidence or right to call such people lazy!" I agree with Abu Salihah Masha'Allah. Give me a proof from Qur'an and Sunnah that those engaged in da'wah do not have to support their wives from their own hands.
"For a Muslim to prove himself not be lazy- he must enslave for the Kuffar? 9-5 and then whats left over give to Islam when ISLAM and Muslims are humiliated in every part of the world!"
Yes brother, go survey how many brothers who are unemployed are working full-time for Islam. You will get a surprise! And if you work, you will have more of a chance of financially aiding the Jihad, Charities etc. You did make this point Masha'Allah when you said But at the moment Islam needs money, so if you can work for anything that will help Muslims, then grab it for the sake of Islam and Muslims
As for saying,
"Dont listen to Muslims out there who want you to give up your freedom and become slaves to the capitalist. But at the moment Islam needs money, so if you can work for anything that will help Muslims, then grab it for the sake of Islam and Muslims and not 'gaining the respect of your wife' or have a higher standard of liviing- as this is the time for sacrifice and struggle-"
We did not say work to become a capitalist, astagfirullah! Is this was Abdur-Rahman ibn Auf (RA) was doing when he refused his Ansari brother's offer of help and instead said:
"May Allah bless your wealth. Show me the way to the Souq" We agree on one thing alhamdulillah, that this is the time for sacrifice and struggle.
As for what u have written regarding the wife, I will say one thing. All these brothers who claim off the Kaafirs, go ask them if they would let their sisters marry a man who is not working? Or would it be "Naah Akee, u need a job before u marry my sister, 'coz it's bad for da'wah in the family otherwise" How many brothers have ruined the da'wah with the in-laws because they are always having to support their daughter, and sometimes the kids aswell, while the son-in-law is sitting at home all day? If they are asking you to do haram, ignore them. If it is from Islam that u work with your own hands, then why not? If all the brothers had this attitude Abu Muslim, you would have no-one able to pay zakah and contribute towards the bait-ul-mal (treasury). The room would be empty!!!!
And I never said work to get a highter standard of living. This is a slander. Isn't my honour sacred to you?
So to sum up, I agree in claiming the benefits under exceptional circumstances, namely
1) Illness
2) temporary loss of job
3) If u are full-time in a job like an exorcist etc, and it is not enought to support your family.
As for Da'wah being an exception, I disagree. Go ask Abu Muntasir masha'Allah who has over 10 children, and is always doing the da'wah Masha'Allah, if he claims these benefits? No, he works Masha'Allah! My point is that 99% of the brothers who claim, are NOT da'ees. And I never said every salafi ponces, I consider myself a salafi, I said it was a general characteristic.
Pls brothers, tell me if u do claim, whether your in-laws/family mind? And also would u let your sister/daughter marry someone who doesn't work? 'Coz I would rather have a son-in-law who cleaned toilets and supported his wife (not with the luxuries of the dunya) than one who ponced without justification.
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By Abu Muslim on Saturday, June 01, 2002 - 12:51 pm: Edit
As Salaam ‘Alaikum
1st thing sister- to continue this particular discussion is not really that worthwhile on this message board as we can be spending our time more constructevly researching more ‘worthy’ issues. You have your view point and I have mine- like I said before we will never reach a correct or incorrect conclusion to this topic.
I want to reply to many things that you mentioned in your last mail, but to cut this fairly ‘time consuming’ debate, I will not continue any further.
But just to touch upon another topic- and that is of poverty.
“Shaitan threatens you with poverty and orders you to commit Fahisha, and Allah promises you forgiveness from Himself and abundance; and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing.” 2:268-
Al-Tirmidhi HadithHadith 5172- Narrated byAbuHurayrah
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) told that Allah said, "Son of Adam, if you devote your heart to unpreoccupied worship of me I shall fill your breast with sufficiency and make your poverty cease; but if you do not do so I shall fill your hand with work and not make your poverty cease."Ahmad and Ibn Majah transmitted it.
Al-Tirmidhi HadithHadith 5252 Narrated byAbdullah ibn Mughaffal
A man came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said, "I love you." When he had told him to consider what he was saying, and the man declared three times, "I swear by Allah that I love you," he replied, "If you are speaking the truth, prepare a complete armour for poverty, for poverty certainly comes quicker to those who love me than a flood does to its destination."Tirmidhi transmitted it, saying this is a hasan gharib tradition.
Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 7.24 Narrated bySahl bin Sad As Saidi
A woman came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have come to give you myself in marriage (without Mahr)." Allah's Apostle looked at her. He looked at her carefully and fixed his glance on her and then lowered his head. When the lady saw that he did not say anything, she sat down. A man from his companions got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! If you are not in need of her, then marry her to me." The Prophet said, "Have you got anything to offer?" The man said, "No, by Allah, O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet said (to him), "Go to your family and see if you have something." The man went and returned, saying, "No, by Allah, I have not found anything." Allah's Apostle said, "(Go again) and look for something, even if it is an iron ring." He went again and returned, saying, "No, by Allah, O Allah's Apostle! I could not find even an iron ring, but this is my Izar (waist sheet)." He had no rida. He added, "I give half of it to her." Allah's Apostle said, "What will she do with your Izar? If you wear it, she will be naked, and if she wears it, you will be naked." So that man sat down for a long while and then got up (to depart). When Allah's Apostle saw him going, he ordered that he be called back. When he came, the Prophet said, "How much of the Qur+an do you know?" He said, "I know such Sura and such Sura," counting them. The Prophet said, "Do you know them by heart?" He replied, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Go, I marry her to you for that much of the Qur'an which you have."
Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 4.385 Narrated byAmr bin Auf Al Ansari
(who was an ally of Bam 'Amr bin Lu'ai and one of those who had taken part in (the ghazwa of) Badr): Allah's Apostle sent Abu 'Ubaida bin Al-Jarreh to Bahrain to collect the Jizya. Allah's Apostle had established peace with the people of Bahrain and appointed Al-'Ala' bin Al-Hadrami as their governor. When Abu 'Ubaida came from Bahrain with the money, the Ansar heard of Abu 'Ubaida's arrival which coincided with the time of the morning prayer with the Prophet. When Allah's Apostle led them in the morning prayer and finished, the Ansar approached him, and he looked at them and smiled on seeing them and said, "I feel that you have heard that Abu 'Ubaida has brought something?" They said, "Yes, O Allah's Apostle." He said, "Rejoice and hope for what will please you! By Allah, I am not afraid of your poverty but I am afraid that you will lead a life of luxury as past nations did, whereupon you will compete with each other for it, as they competed for it, and it will destroy you as it destroyed them."
Muslims should be striving to get closer to Allah (swt)- each one knows his own situation and is a guardian over some one or another.
Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 3.733 Narrated byAbdullah bin Umar that he heard Allah's Apostle saying, "Everyone of you is a guardian and is responsible for his charge; the ruler is a guardian and is responsible for his subjects; the man is a guardian in his family and responsible for his charges; a woman is a guardian of her husband's house and responsible for her charges; and the servant is a guardian of his master's property and is responsible for his charge." I definitely heard the above from the Prophet and think that the Prophet also said, "A man is a guardian of his father's property and responsible for his charges; so everyone of you is a guardian and responsible for his charges."
So all you guardians out there- you have responsibilities and have your own diverse range of wishes goals. Worship Allah ta’ala as He wants you to worship Him, stay within Halal-
Those of you who slander those who claim for whatever reason . Especially those who give up the dunya and chose to lead ascetic simple lives- you wish to call them lazy, beggars, ‘ponces’ etc etc.-
“O you who believe! Let not a group scoff at another group, it may be that the latter are better than the former. Nor let (some) women scoff at other women, it may be that the latter are better than the former. NOR DEFAME ONE ANOTHER, NOR INSULT ONE ANOTHER BY NICKNAMES. How bad it is to insult one’s brother after having faith. And whosoever does not repent such are the Zalimoon. O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion; indeed some suspicions are sins. And spy not nor backbite one another…” 49:11-12
was salam
By Abu Mujahid (Irtaza) on Saturday, June 01, 2002 - 10:36 pm: Edit
Assalamu alaikum
In your original message you said
"Acording to "Shaykh" Rabee, there is no Jihad in Kashmir, it's all being fought for political reasons."
Nowthen, can you tell me what he said exactly and where he said it and whether it is a tape or not, also when he said it (if you have that information). I really want to know.
Assalamu alaikum
By Umm (Umm) on Saturday, June 01, 2002 - 11:27 pm: Edit
Salaam,
As for Abu Muslim, I still maintain that I am NOT saying work for dunya, but to fulfill the wife's right to maintenance, even if that money is LESS than the dole. It is a point of Iza. The hadith of the sahabi who was married for how much Qur'an he knew, these were, as far as I can remember, long surahs like al-baqarah and ali-Imraan. Not 1/2 of juz Amma like some bros do! And the Prophet (SAW) sent him 3 TIMES, to find somehing materialistc first, even if it was small. I never advocated huge dowries and large salaries. I merely said a man should work with his own 2 hands, even as a road-sweeper (i.e. a non-prestigous job) rather than claim. I fail to see why u keep insisting that I look down on the poor and encourage people to be dunya. Anyway, we'll leave this insha'Allah. You have obviously missed the point that working is better, rather than let the kuffar support you.
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By Umm (Umm) on Saturday, June 01, 2002 - 11:49 pm: Edit
Salaam,
And brother Abu Mujahid, it was said to 2 brothers (1 from Lashkar), in person, within the last 2 years (I think at Hajj or Umrah)
He claimed that his Scholars say that the Jihad in Kashmir is not Jihad, because it is being fought for political reasons. This contradicts what Sheikh ul-Islam has said:
("Ibn Taymiyyah , after mentioning the Moguls (Tatar) and their
behaviour in changing the law of Allah, stated that: the ultimate aim of pleasing Allah, raising His word, instituting His religion and obeying His messenger (ALLAH'S BLESSING AND SALUTATIONS ON HIM) is to fight the enemy, in every aspects and in a complete manner; if the danger to the religion from not fighting is greater than that of fighting, then it is a duty to fight them even if the intention of some of the fighters is not pure i.e . fighting for the sake of leadership (personal gain) or if they do not To repel the greatest of the two dangers on the expense of the lesser one is an Islamic principle which should be observed." [Declaration Of War Usama Bin Ladin )
When these 2 brothers asked him who his Scholars are who say this, he named 3 (I don't have their names). These brothers told him, that 2 of them go to the LT annual Conferences, and give them Tazkiyyah (so much for his knowledge of his Scholars opinions!) The 3rd one's son supports them. When told this, look at the reaction of this "Shaykh". Does he humbly admit his mistake, and research further? No! He says "Okay then, You go, YOU go jihad, go on then!" What kind of Adab is this?
I am not saying that he is a munafiq, but he is a pro-saudi govt Scholar. i do not deny he has ilm of hadith, but he is not a Scholar. A (minor) student yes, but not a Scholar. Abu Mujahid, if u want, get someone to go up to him and ask where there is a Jihad in the world, and let me know insha'Allah!
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By Abu LAYLAH on Saturday, June 01, 2002 - 11:16 pm: Edit
Abu Muslim are you A Muslim ?
The message board are for Muslim please do not post thing to distract the Muslims and Please brothers and sisters please do not encourage such views and ideas.
By Hafidh on Sunday, June 02, 2002 - 08:20 am: Edit
Salam,
When i was in Saudia 4 years ago, i asked about the scholars of saudia from a saudi student of jamya saud.He was from the city of Qaseem(city of Sheikh hamood uqla). He told me that there are two sort of scholars. One are those who advise goverment when they are wrong. They include bin baz,ibn uthemein, hamood uqla and many others.The other ones are those who completely back up goverment, no matter what they do. And every action of goverment is justfied by them, and they are scholars of medina. God knows best.
By Umm (Umm) on Sunday, June 02, 2002 - 07:20 pm: Edit
Salaam,
Erm, Abu Laylah... brother, u don't doubt someone's Islam for these sort of views! Abu Muslim has never said it is halal to commit one of the 10 negations of Islam. I may disagree with him, and have strong views on Fahd, Musharraf etc, but Subhanallah! Some people make me look soft!!!!
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By ibn on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 12:02 pm: Edit
Inshallah evidence for the Jihad in Kashmir, and LT will soon be available on the net. These fataawa are by respected scholars of our times, so even the DELTA's amongst us will strugle to refute. Having said that, there will always be people who chose to sit at home and pass judgement upon the muslims who struggle with their lives and wealth.
May Allah swt guide us all to the truth, use our lives to serve the religion and when death comes, let it be in the front lines facing Allah's enemys. ameen
By Umm (Umm) on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 01:49 pm: Edit
Salaam,
Yes Masha'Allah brother, this is so true. On another discussion board, a so-called "Muslim" called the executers of Daniel "Yahoodi Jasus" Pearl "ANIMALS"!!! Well I told this person that when
1) they have instilled as much fear into the American military presence in Pakistan as they have, and
2)put one foot within 50 miles of the front line, THEN, come and criticize them!!!
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
By Ahmad on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 03:56 am: Edit
Assalamaualykum,
Sister "Umm", please be careful in what you write. You are talking about the honour of other muslims. You can not use the excuse "they slander muslims, mujahideen etc. - so i will slander them" this is not a valid argument. So my advise to you and others on this board is to say something good and of benefit or otherwise remain silent. When talking about scholars, and muslims in general you must bring CLEAR PROOF if you wish to warn about them or something. But to say a brother told me and i heard from someone that he said this and he said that - is pathetic.
Look at the scales of justice you have set up for yourself when making judegements and rulings on these people... You condemn all those who you labled on the actions of possibly a few individuals that you experianced if that. You then go and say theu all lazy and claim of the job seekers allowance etc. Please look at what you are doing and show some insaaf, please.
By Umm (Umm) on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 12:28 pm: Edit
Salaam,
"When talking about scholars, and muslims in general you must bring CLEAR PROOF if you wish to warn about them or something. But to say a brother told me and i heard from someone that he said this and he said that - is pathetic.
Of course, if I was on SP cussing Shaykh Usamah, Shaykh Azzam (RM) this would be a valid way to do it. If you think these brothers are lying, that's your problem. I take their word. It ties-in exactly with Rabee's known views.
Wa-salaam,
Umm.
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O Muslims!
Know Our Lord is One, Our Book is One,
Our Path is One, Our Goal is One,
Our Nation Is One and Our Enemy Is One!
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By Abu Maryam (Abumariyum) on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 06:40 pm: Edit
as-salamu'alaykum wa raHmatullah
I don't think anyone was defending the manner, methodology of da'wah promoted by the likes of Salafi Publication.
But I think the brother was sincerly trying to say that, don't fall into the same trap that you accuse them of falling into.
There is a general problem in this board, of the lack of husna dhann, lack of correct adhab concerning differences of opinions whether justified or not. I was wondering if anyone listened to the lecture by Abu Ammaar Yasir Qadhi, on he Story of Ifk - The Slander of 'Aisha. Insha'Allah I think it would be a good reminder for myself first and everyone else on this board.
You can find the audio, on a number of websites, www.Islaam.Net, www.audioislam.com, www.sunnahonline.com.
was-salamu'alaykum wa rahmatullah