What are the differences between the three types of Salafis?

[JayshAllah]

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[Abuz Zubair]

Bro... sincere advice from the depth of my heart: Do not go near this issue. It would consume you and keep you from the knowledge and actions that will benefit you in this and the next life. It has absolutely no benefit.

I personally do not care which scholar is from which background. If I can benefit from his works and fatwas, I feel forever indebted to him.

[JayshAllah]

I deleted it on your advice, brother. Just wanted to know because I just joined the Salafi gang.

[Abuz Zubair]

err... you didn't need to delete it, cuz others would also have read it and got the msg, and this is why we limited the editing time after which one may not edit or delete his post... but YOU, my friend, were too quick :)

Anyway, never EVER feel obliged to join this crowd or that... Just be yourself. Don't feel obliged to toe the line with whichever new group you decide to hang around with. Everyone has rights and wrongs. Just look for the rights and leave the wrongs.

[abu_ibrahim]

Dr Tariq Abdul Haleem wrote a book on the different Salafi groups and be be broken down in 3 groups.

[JayshAllah]

Dr Tariq Abdul Haleem wrote a book on the different Salafi groups and be be broken down in 3 groups.

Is it available online?

[Skillganon]

Breaking Islam further into groups is a very nice Idea.

Is his grouping based on emotion or conjecture, or is it both?

[JayshAllah]

Breaking Islam further into groups is a very nice Idea.

Is his grouping based on emotion or conjecture, or is it both?

He? Or me? :confused:

Honestly, I disagree with those people who say such things facilitate division. I think the division is *already* there; it is merely a matter of giving terms/names to the groups that have already separated themselves from each other. And doing so only makes it easier to discuss matters.

[Skillganon]

He? Or me? :confused:

Honestly, I disagree with those people who say such things facilitate division. I think the division is *already* there; it is merely a matter of giving terms/names to the groups that have already separated themselves from each other.

Assalamu alaikum bro

I was refering to the Dr.

Well I think you cannot group people based on some mere emotion they exhibit.
I have no Idea what this three type of salafi is. I can't comment much.
It is a first time I am hearing it.

[JayshAllah]

It is a first time I am hearing it.

Madkhalis, Sahwis/Surooris, and Salafi-Jihadis.

[abu_ibrahim]

Madkhalis, Sahwis/Surooris, and Salafi-Jihadis.

Yes thats it, the first ones are deviants. The last two are part of Ahlus Sunnah.

[Skillganon]

Madkhalis, Sahwis/Surooris, and Salafi-Jihadis.

I can understand where those named madkhalis gone off, but I do not understand how sahwis and Salafi-Jihadis are.

If indeed salafi-Jihadist are deviant because of Jihaad than we can count our prophet and the shabah as one.

From what I get sahwis criticise certain goverment. Than by criticism everyone is a sahwahis here.

I think "Sasjamal" is playing with your head. I will not give much credence to these terms.

More like those who deviated from the salaf (e.g. sufis, maturidi, asharis, modernist) will play with those name.

[JayshAllah]

Yes thats it, the first ones are deviants. The last two are part of Ahlus Sunnah.

I think the Madhkalis and Sahwis are part of Ahlus Sunnah, and the last one (the Salafi-Jihadis) are deviants. :)

If indeed salafi-Jihadist are deviant because of Jihaad than we can count our prophet and the shabah as one.

It's a misnomer. They are different than the other two groups because they (the Salafi-Jihadis) support terrorism.

[Skillganon]

I think the Madhkalis and Sahwis are part of Ahlus Sunnah, and the last one (the Salafi-Jihadis) are deviants. :)

Assalamu alaikum.

The problem here is how?

How is Jihaad not part of the Ahlus sunnah?

That is the thing I am trying to figure out.

If you think Jihaad is deviancy that their goes Islam out of the Window.

[abu_ibrahim]

I think the Madhkalis and Sahwis are part of Ahlus Sunnah, and the last one (the Salafi-Jihadis) are deviants. :)

You are sadly mistaken dude. Madkhalis do not have a correct understanding of Iman and Kufr. This is why they are Murjiah with the rulers and Khawarij with the Muslims.

They also have some beliefs of the Jabaree, where they say "Establish the Islamic state in your heart, it will establish for you in your land". This shows that they are denying freewill to a man and suffer from Irjaa.

And much more, but will save it for another time.

[Skillganon]

I think the Madhkalis and Sahwis are part of Ahlus Sunnah, and the last one (the Salafi-Jihadis) are deviants. :)



It's a misnomer. They are different than the other two groups because they (the Salafi-Jihadis) support terrorism.

That depends by what you mean. Their are lot of people who support terrorism, from bush to an average joe. So this is more of a political issue & the wrongness in it.

If someone issue Jihaad in a wrongness, than the issue is with the wrong in it and not being Salafi-Jihaadi, or even a the word jihaad.

One is doing a good Job enlightening me.

[Abuz Zubair]

I told you bro... its all a mess, and the whole discussion wouldn't benefit you at all. Not in the least.

There isn't a problem with studying the different strands of thoughts amongst the Salafis and discern which of them confirm to the Sunnah and which of them do not. It is this whole approach of bulk categorisation of people into Madkhalis, Sahawis, Jihadis, etc, etc...

Be a Muslim who is faithful to the Book and the Sunnah. I am saying this after having been through it for years. You will waste your time, and if and whenever Allah decides to open up your eyes and guide you to something beneficial, you would regret all your time wasted on these silly discussions.

[Skillganon]

I told you bro... its all a mess, and the whole discussion wouldn't benefit you at all. Not in the least.

There isn't a problem with studying the different strands of thoughts amongst the Salafis and discern which of them confirm to the Sunnah and which of them do not. It is this whole approach of bulk categorisation of people into Madkhalis, Sahawis, Jihadis, etc, etc...

Be a Muslim who is faithful to the Book and the Sunnah. I am saying this after having been through it for years. You will waste your time, and if and whenever Allah decides to open up your eyes and guide you to something beneficial, you would regret all your time wasted on these silly discussions.

Exactly, I am suprised one even tried.

What I find sometime erronreous is trying categorize by label is it is

1. Ambigous.
2. One fall into.
3. One devide yourself, start fighting mostly on mere emotion.

Of course their are issues in the ummah, but this has to corrected. The last thing we wan't to do is say "your a salafi-Jihaddi" or "Sahawis" (I would like to concragulate the one who started it off, no one specific in this forum but the originator)

In the end You enemy is laughing in your face. Fighting & chaising over phantom labels.

[1mran]

They also have some beliefs of the Jabaree, where they say "Establish the Islamic state in your heart, it will establish for you in your land". This shows that they are denying freewill to a man and suffer from Irjaa.

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Sheikh al-Albaani says that in his book "tasfiya and Tarbiya", does that make him one of them?

So what do the each beleive? i mean whats makes them different?

[gag order]

Honestly, I disagree with those people who say such things facilitate division. I think the division is *already* there; it is merely a matter of giving terms/names to the groups that have already separated themselves from each other. And doing so only makes it easier to discuss matters.

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=374&highlight=three+main+strains

[1mran]

i am sooo confused now :|

[Abu_Zahid]

I think u guys should take brother Abu Zubayr's advice, as I would wholeheartedly agree with him. I spent much of the last year baffling myself with this rubbish and all I can say is that it does a lot of damage to one's iman, so much so that I am still struggling to recover. I used to feel a lot more spiritually connected with Allah swt alhamdulillah, then I jumped onto the salafi train, and soon after got bombarded with all this technical INFORMATION (as opposed to knowledge).

Don't go near it, especially not at this stage and not in this way, and I think the brothers should not encourage it by dragging this discussion on. InshaAllah eventually u will come to certain realisations in a more natural/gradual manner and inshaAllah keep asking Allah swt to establish a clear criterion in ur heart, to aid u in being able to distinguish truth from falsehood.

At this moment in time just focus on knowledge - i.e. learning that which will BENEFIT u by resulting in more piety inshaAllah - rather than piling up information - which is just knowing loads of stuff and being able to know the ins and outs of every single group and what they are like, who they follow etc, and being able to explain to someone what a "salafi" is and what a deviant is. CRAMMING this sort of information will probably leave u confused and do lasting damage to ur imaan and the state of ur heart.

I really think that going down this particular path is a trick from shaytaan...one of those tricks where he'll make u think that ur actually doing something islamic, when in fact its just going to very probably push u away imaan-wise.

[JayshAllah]

Now my question is: Where did the terms "Sahwi" and "Saroori" come from?

I'm glad that Shaykh Salih al-Munajjid falls under this group. I'm wondering if Shaykh ibn Uthaymeen would fall under this category?

[Husain]

Sahawi: sahwah (arab.) = awakening
Suroori: Muhammad Suroor (a scholar)

- Husain.

[Abuz Zubair]

I'm glad that Shaykh Salih al-Munajjid falls under this group. I'm wondering if Shaykh ibn Uthaymeen would fall under this category?

He wouldn't... and that's the beautiful thing about true scholars. They are way above such petty labels, and this is what we should also aspire to be.

[Um Abdullah M.]

as for me, I don't fall into any of those.

My concern isn't the labels, it is the BELIEFS.

That is what we should be concerning ourselves with.

anyone can call themselves a Salafi or Jihadi or whatever, one labeling himself with those labels doesn't make him so, it is his/her BELIEFS & ACTIONS, that do.

So my advice to you akhi and everyone else, don't look at the label or the person's name, just look at the teachings of whom your going to take your knowledge and aqeedah from, if it is according to the Quran and Sunnah with the understanding of the righteous Salaf then take him as your shaikh and teacher, but also remember that no one is free from error, and never have ta'assub to anyone except the PRophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.

There is a saying:
Men are known by the Truth
and the Truth is not known by men


So concern yourself with the teachings and beliefs and dont' look at the labels.

The label doesn't make a person on the right or wrong, or cause him to enter Jannah, it is the BELIEFS & ACTIONS.

so just work on learning your deen, and following the Quran and Sunnah with the understanding of the Salaf.

Note: I stressed "understanding of the righteous Salaf", because everyone claims to follow the Quran and Sunnah, but they use their own interpretations, that is why there are so many sects, so to make sure that you are going by the correct interpretation of the Quran and Sunnah make sure it is the understanding of the righteous Salaf, and not your own, or someone elses interpretation.

[1mran]

as for me, I don't fall into any of those.

My concern isn't the labels, it is the BELIEFS.

That is what we should be concerning ourselves with.

anyone can call themselves a Salafi or Jihadi or whatever, one labeling himself with those labels doesn't make him so, it is his/her BELIEFS & ACTIONS, that do.

So my advice to you akhi and everyone else, don't look at the label or the person's name, just look at the teachings of whom your going to take your knowledge and aqeedah from, if it is according to the Quran and Sunnah with the understanding of the righteous Salaf then take him as your shaikh and teacher, but also remember that no one is free from error, and never have ta'assub to anyone except the PRophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.

There is a saying:
Men are known by the Truth
and the Truth is not known by men


So concern yourself with the teachings and beliefs and dont' look at the labels.

The label doesn't make a person on the right or wrong, or cause him to enter Jannah, it is the BELIEFS & ACTIONS.

so just work on learning your deen, and following the Quran and Sunnah with the understanding of the Salaf.

Note: I stressed "understanding of the righteous Salaf", because everyone claims to follow the Quran and Sunnah, but they use their own interpretations, that is why there are so many sects, so to make sure that you are going by the correct interpretation of the Quran and Sunnah make sure it is the understanding of the righteous Salaf, and not your own, or someone elses interpretation.


I agree, thats how we should be.

We cant keep breaking down into more and more sects

"And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh (i.e. this Qur'ân), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allâh's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islâmic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allâh makes His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided." (Aali Imran 3:103)

"Let there arise out of you a group of people inviting to all that is good (Islâm), enjoining Al-Ma'rûf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm orders one to do) and forbidding Al-Munkar (polytheism and disbelief and all that Islâm has forbidden). And it is they who are the successful." (Aali Imran 3:104)

"And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment." (Aali Imran 3:105)


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