Scholars

[1mran]

Assalam alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakaatuhu

I understand we cant say one scholar is perfect, and we should follow anyone blindly, but its good to have afew scholars you can rely on insha'Allah

so i wanted to ask if the following scholars are fine to studied and listen to:-

1) Ibn Uthaymin
2) Bin Baz
3) al-Albaani
4) Bilal Philips
5) Yusuf Estes
6) Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyyah
7) Ibn al-Jawzi
8) Shaikh Saalih Al-Fawzaan
9) Ibn Taymiyyah
10) Saleem al-Hilaalee
11) Muhammad al-Jibaly
12) Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhaab
13) Safiur-Rahmaan Mubarakpuri
14) Imam an-Nawawi
15) Dr. Saleh As-Saleh
16) Shaykh Muhammad Jamil Zeeno
17) Jamaal al-Din Zarabozo
18) Ibn Katheer
19) Salahi Munajjid
20) Dr. Saalih ibn Ghaanim al-Sadlaan
21) Mufti Taqi Uthmani
22) Abdul-Malik Al-Qasim.
23) Ibn Rajab Al-Hanbali
24) Umar S. Al-Ashqar
25) Abu Bilal Mustafa al-Kanadi
26) Al-Jibreen
27) Imam Adh-Dhahabi
28) Imam Anwar al-Awlaki
29) Sheikh Ahmad Musa Jibril
30) Khalid Yasin

...etc.


i mean i understan they can all make mistakes, thats why she should genereally be cautious

but are they reliable?

Jazaka'Allahu khayrn and sori for asking so many questions

[Umm Ahmed]

Some of those on your list are not scholars, like yusef esteves and Khalid Yasin are callers to Islaam.

Someone can point out the scholars, that would make it easier InshaAllaah.

Also something on what makes someone a Scholar.

[1mran]

Some of those on your list are not scholars, like yusef esteves and Khalid Yasin are callers to Islaam.

Someone can point out the scholars, that would make it easier InshaAllaah.

Also something on what makes someone a Scholar.


they have "sheikh" normally infront of ther names.

but i guess i see what ur saying

but are they ok tho?

callers and scholars?

[Um Abdullah M.]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Assalam alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakaatuhu


wa alaykum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

putting in mind that they do make errors and are not infallble, like any other human and scholar, my answer is:

1) Ibn Uthaymin = yes
2) Bin Baz = yes
3) al-Albaani = yes
4) Bilal Philips = yes
5) Yusuf Estes = he is good in doing dawah especially to non Muslims , humorous too

6) Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyyah = yes
7) Ibn al-Jawzi = it is better if Abuz Zubair comment on him rahimahu Allah

8) Shaikh Saalih Al-Fawzaan = yes
9) Ibn Taymiyyah = yes
10) Saleem al-Hilaalee = dont' really know him, heard his name but don't realy know him, haven't read anything written by him or hear any of his lectures.

11) Muhammad al-Jibaly = I know his wife, and he has good translations, and I guess generally yes, but can't really give much comment on the shaikh, because I dont' know very much about him.
maybe someone else can comment on him, someone who knows him and read his works.


12) Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhaab = yes
13) Safiur-Rahmaan Mubarakpuri = yes
14) Imam an-Nawawi = yes, but not in all issues of aqeedah, especially issue of sifat.
But you can benefit from his great works, masha Allah, a great Imam.
and it is best to study his books under scholars.


15) Dr. Saleh As-Saleh = yes
16) Shaykh Muhammad Jamil Zeeno = seen one of his books and it is good, but can't give a judgement, someone else who knows him better.
17) Jamaal al-Din Zarabozo = yes
18) Ibn Katheer = yes
19) Salahi Munajjid = yes
20) Dr. Saalih ibn Ghaanim al-Sadlaan = not sure if I know him or not, I know a shaikh whose name is Sadlan but don't know his full name :o
21) Mufti Taqi Uthmani = Abuz Zubair can comment on him since he seems to know him better than me, all I know about him is that he is Deobandi, other than that I dont' really know him.

22) Abdul-Malik Al-Qasim. = yes
23) Ibn Rajab Al-Hanbali = yes
24) Umar S. Al-Ashqar = yes
25) Abu Bilal Mustafa al-Kanadi = don't know him
26) Al-Jibreen = Abdullah ibn Jibreen (Saudi shaikh) or someone else ?
27) Imam Adh-Dhahabi = yes
28) Imam Anwar al-Awlaki = dont' know very much about him, but I heard he has some good stuff, maybe someone else can comment on him, someone who knows him and read his works or listened to his lectures.
29) Sheikh Ahmad Musa Jibril = dont' really know him
30) Khalid Yasin = dont' know him, only hear his name.

...etc.

[1mran]

Jazakillahu Khayrn sister

That was very help full.

interms of Mufti taqi Uthmani, im not too much aware of what he believes, but i dont normally use him as a source of knowledge in that area, because ive never really needed to.

but im an accounting student, and if you need to know anything about islamic finance, i dont know of anyone better then this scholar.

Allah knows best

Abu Bilal Mustafa al-Kanadi wrote afew good books, on issue of Music and the soul.

Sheikh Ahmad Musa Jibril is an american sheikh www.ahmadjibril.com but his in jail now. it was his talks that motivated by to come back to islam

Imam Anwar al-Awlaki, he's really good. ive not herd anyone else give a lecture better thn this sheikh.

Khalid Yasin is a really strong lecturer. here is a small clip from one of his lectures http://youtube.com/watch?v=fzhZB7GW7ec


Is there any one i have missed out that you would recommend?

[Um Abdullah M.]

well yes, some from past scholars, ones who came before shaikh al Islam ibn Tamiyyah rahimahu Allah, but most of their works are not translated, and might not be easy to understand for laymen, they are more for intermediate or advanced students of knowledge.

but you mentioned many of the ones I would recommand.

oh I forgot to mention shaikh Waleed Basyouni, good especially in aqeedah issues, he has some lectures in English, you will find some lectures of his in www.audioislam.com and in www.Islamway.com (English page)
and maybe in www.islamweb.net (English page), but not sure.


also Yasir al Qadhi is good
If I remember anyone else, I will let you know insha Allah.

by the way, do you know Arabic?

[1mran]

well yes, some from past scholars, ones who came before shaikh al Islam ibn Tamiyyah rahimahu Allah, but most of their works are not translated, and might not be easy to understand for laymen, they are more for intermediate or advanced students of knowledge.

but you mentioned many of the ones I would recommand.

oh I forgot to mention shaikh Waleed Basyouni, good especially in aqeedah issues, he has some lectures in English, you will find some lectures of his in www.audioislam.com and in www.Islamway.com (English page)
and maybe in www.islamweb.net (English page), but not sure.


also Yasir al Qadhi is good
If I remember anyone else, I will let you know insha Allah.

by the way, do you know Arabic?

yes Waleed basyouni is good too, i have some books by him, i forgot to mention him.

as for Yasir al-Qadhi, i think he's good, i have his book on Riyaa

but i prefer listening to other scholars. mostly because im not too sure when the sheikh makes a mistake or not. like i listend to a lecture about the description of the Prophet peace be upon him, and i found some errors, probably by accident, so i emailed him to inform him and i also asked him a question about an issue of fiqh, and he wasnt very nice to me.

I presented two articles by scholars who had done alot of research on the issue, and i asked him which one should i follow because although one opinion is popular, the other one seems to be correct because of the refutation of the evidence in the first opinion and evidence to back up the second opinion, and i told him its an opinion many of the scholars i like follow. but i dont want to be a blind follower obviously.

i dunno, he got upset and told me to do more research. :S

maybe it because the opinion i presented was against his? or maybe its because i pointed out errors in his lecture. but i only did it because i thought it was my duty? isnt it?

but regardless, he is a good scholars and he really made me understand the issue of the "satanic verses", but i would only refer to this scholar if i cant find an explaination from someonelese.

its just me, i dont know, ive never been very happy listening to him anymore..

Allah knows best

and no, i dont understand arabic, i was in the process of learning but the teacher just left :S so im going to try buy some tapes and books and try and have a go at it myself. insha'Allah

[1mran]

so

31) Waleed basyouni
32) Yasir al-Qadhi

[Umm Ahmed]

Aggggh Ali Tamimi is not up there, he is one of the best mashaAllaah , may Allaah free him ameen .

http://www.islamicawakening.com/audio.php?section=English
http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/audio/altimimi_index.htm

Shaykh Suhayb Hasan as well .
http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/audio/suhaybhasan_index.htm
and his book on hadith which is a must have .
http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/sunnah/0008.htm

[1mran]

Aggggh Ali Tamimi is not up there, he is one of the best mashaAllaah , may Allaah free him ameen .

http://www.islamicawakening.com/audio.php?section=English
http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/audio/altimimi_index.htm

Shaykh Suhayb Hasan as well .
http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/audio/suhaybhasan_index.htm
and his book on hadith which is a must have .
http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/sunnah/0008.htm

YES!!!

soriiiiiiiiii like i said, i forgot afew

yeh, his book on the science of hadith is really good

33) Ali at-Tammi
34) Suhaib Haasan

[Um Abdullah M.]

well it is not always easy to know who is right and who is wrong, you will have to do some research yourself (especially on issues of aqeedah), just to have a peace of mind, and make it your intention to seek the truth and not the desire.

look into books of past scholars, and what they said about these issues, but it is difficult for a person who doesn't know Arabic, becuase most books of past scholars are not translated, but for now I guess you will have to do with what is available in English, and try to learn Arabic, and seek knowledge, by studying under scholars in masjids, or in an Islamic univeristy.

[Abu Ilyas]

wa alaykum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

putting in mind that they do make errors and are not infallble, like any other human and scholar, my answer is:

Alhumdulillah, a good selection of brothers to learn from there..

Just to add some more people who are on Qur'an and Sunnah who will give you depth of knowledge and Insight, insha'allah:

-Shaykh Salman Al Awdah - For his scholarship, insight and level head.
-Shaykh Safar Al Hawali - He is not as well published in the english language.
-Shaykh Ja'far Idris - Well worth listening too, very intelligent masha'allah.
-Dr. Usama Hasan - Again very intellegint and balanced in my opinion.
-Shaykh Haytham Al Hadad - get to know him if your in London.

and I'm sure there are many others I have left out. Important thing to remember is to take good from everyone and never get into I " will follow this set of scholars all the time and every time."

I don't want to say not to take from any of the above, because I'm sure all of the above have some benefit and people will learn something from their books and tapes, however, 2 people I would advise you against are Dr. Muhammad al Jibaly (Problems with partisanship and ghuloo in that) and Shaykh Saleem Al Hilali (Who has a beautiful book on etiquettes of seeking knowledge but is someone who also seems to associate with and have the same mentality as Dr. Jibaly, aswel as mixing with people who have beleifs of Irjaa).

Again, I have benefitted some knowledge and Insight from both of the above, including less Salafi "scholars" such as Hamz Yusuf (*Shock!*) and some sufis, but if you are at a level when you are just starting practicing just stick with trusted scholarship untill you can see the wood from the trees as they say.

[Abuz Zubair]

I actually don't like the idea of listing the names of scholars, because it may give the wrong impression of who you think is on or off the tip, as it were.

Respect all the scholars, no matter what background they are from.

Islamic civilisation has produced scholars from all backgrounds. There have been scholars who were jahmi extremists, mu'tazili extremists, qadari extremists, Shia extremists, murjia extremists, etc, etc... They all contributed to our civilisation greatly, for which they cannot be thanked enough.

We should simply accept the good they have to offer and leave the bad, and pray to Allah for their forgiveness.

[Abu Ilyas]

Just to add,

Brother Imran mentioned a set of scholars he wanted to "rely" on. I think I understand what your saying, you want to have a bank of knowledge which you can assume is authentic to take from. However, relying on any human beings is futile.

Scholars can make mistakes, sometimes they can make the same mistake as a groups. Scholars can be taken by their desire and pressure to produce watered down fatawaa and opinions, sometimes they turn pure evil, sometimes they can turn mubtadi or murtad.

Point I'm getting at is when we learn knowledge we are not learning a set of fiqhi opinions or a set of personal opinions or a set of beleifs but our aim from these scholars is to learn the principles of our deen, when we learn the usool, then our reliance on these scholars does not become dangerous and insha'allah their errors are less likely to lead us into error, because we have learnt the principles and we have some way of measuring between falsehood and truth and choosing which way to go.

And to continue what our brother Abu Zubair stated, I also have a dislike of these lists of scholars. Personally for me it conjures up memories of the list of scholars which started to be drawn up in the 90's by the Supa Dupa Salafis (troid et al).

On a side point, Is it Islamically permissable to pray for Shia extremeists and Jahmi extremeists, in the sense that the extremists of both groups could well be considered kufaar due to certain of their theological positions. And it is prohibited to pray for kufaar after they have died as Allah states in Qur'an in ref. to the Prophet SAWS dua for Abu Talib.

Actually all human knowledge and scholarship should be respected by a Muslim. Revealed knowledge aswell as the knowledge of sciences etc...the truth is it is all from Allah ultimately and Muslims must stake their claim to that knowledge to become a great civilisation again.

I must stop digressing (Sorry)

[1mran]

well it is not always easy to know who is right and who is wrong, you will have to do some research yourself (especially on issues of aqeedah), just to have a peace of mind, and make it your intention to seek the truth and not the desire.

look into books of past scholars, and what they said about these issues, but it is difficult for a person who doesn't know Arabic, becuase most books of past scholars are not translated, but for now I guess you will have to do with what is available in English, and try to learn Arabic, and seek knowledge, by studying under scholars in masjids, or in an Islamic univeristy.

the imams in the mosque here dont really know much, so i cnt really rely on them unfortunately

alhamdulilah there is a good set of english books out there, and yeh at times u need to do ur own research into certain issue, but inshaAllah, aslong as u put the effort, Allah is there to guide us.

[Um Abdullah M.]

Hamza Yusuf a Salafi !!

he is a deviant sufi.

one sister told me that she attended some lectures by him, in which he sounded good, but after couple lectures, his deviant beliefs started to show.

so dont' judge him by a few lectures, becuase he doesnt' always show his true sufi beliefs in his lectures, many of them sound good and attractive, but if you check his beliefs in sufism especially, and the sufi shaikhs he praises, you will know that he is a deviant sufi.

[1mran]

Alhumdulillah, a good selection of brothers to learn from there..

Just to add some more people who are on Qur'an and Sunnah who will give you depth of knowledge and Insight, insha'allah:

-Shaykh Salman Al Awdah - For his scholarship, insight and level head.
-Shaykh Safar Al Hawali - He is not as well published in the english language.
-Shaykh Ja'far Idris - Well worth listening too, very intelligent masha'allah.
-Dr. Usama Hasan - Again very intellegint and balanced in my opinion.
-Shaykh Haytham Al Hadad - get to know him if your in London.

and I'm sure there are many others I have left out. Important thing to remember is to take good from everyone and never get into I " will follow this set of scholars all the time and every time."

I don't want to say not to take from any of the above, because I'm sure all of the above have some benefit and people will learn something from their books and tapes, however, 2 people I would advise you against are Dr. Muhammad al Jibaly (Problems with partisanship and ghuloo in that) and Shaykh Saleem Al Hilali (Who has a beautiful book on etiquettes of seeking knowledge but is someone who also seems to associate with and have the same mentality as Dr. Jibaly, aswel as mixing with people who have beleifs of Irjaa).

Again, I have benefitted some knowledge and Insight from both of the above, including less Salafi "scholars" such as Hamz Yusuf (*Shock!*) and some sufis, but if you are at a level when you are just starting practicing just stick with trusted scholarship untill you can see the wood from the trees as they say.

Jazaka'Allahu Khayrn

what is Irjaa again?

[Um Abdullah M.]

I would be careful in accusing others of irjaa'.

some might be, but some are accused falesly, like one who accused sh. Ibn Baz rahimahu Allah of Irjaa', which is stupid, obviously the guy doesnt' know the shaikhs aqeedah well.

so dont' accept the accusation against anyone of irjaa' until you verify it yourself.

[Abuz Zubair]

Regarding HY, I have his lectures on names and attributes... it is sickening.

I can list statements upon statements by him that would make you sick to death.

He apparently has a paper called How Budhism saved Islam.

[1mran]

Hamza Yusuf a Salafi !!

he is a deviant sufi.

one sister told me that she attended some lectures by him, in which he sounded good, but after couple lectures, his deviant beliefs started to show.

so dont' judge him by a few lectures, becuase he doesnt' always show his true sufi beliefs in his lectures, many of them sound good and attractive, but if you check his beliefs in sufism especially, and the sufi shaikhs he praises, you will know that he is a deviant sufi.

yes, i can actually proove he is sufi,

he attents Mawlid gatherings and sings the burdah and even meets with Naqshabandi sufi

he also makes so many Quranic and hadith errrors, in teh sense he quotes out of context or just weak hadith.

i noticed this because i would listn to a schola or the salaf, and hamza yusuf would almost talk abt the oppositie.

he's in the same boat as nuh keller and zahid shakir

he is also those who attacks the salaf and loves the "wahhabi" word

but he does have some good,

Allah knows best

[1mran]

I would be careful in accusing others of irjaa'.

some might be, but some are accused falesly, like one who accused sh. Ibn Baz rahimahu Allah of Irjaa', which is stupid, obviously the guy doesnt' know the shaikhs aqeedah well.

so dont' accept the accusation against anyone of irjaa' until you verify it yourself.

but wht is Irjaa?

[1mran]

Just to add,

Brother Imran mentioned a set of scholars he wanted to "rely" on. I think I understand what your saying, you want to have a bank of knowledge which you can assume is authentic to take from. However, relying on any human beings is futile.

Scholars can make mistakes, sometimes they can make the same mistake as a groups. Scholars can be taken by their desire and pressure to produce watered down fatawaa and opinions, sometimes they turn pure evil, sometimes they can turn mubtadi or murtad.

Point I'm getting at is when we learn knowledge we are not learning a set of fiqhi opinions or a set of personal opinions or a set of beleifs but our aim from these scholars is to learn the principles of our deen, when we learn the usool, then our reliance on these scholars does not become dangerous and insha'allah their errors are less likely to lead us into error, because we have learnt the principles and we have some way of measuring between falsehood and truth and choosing which way to go.

And to continue what our brother Abu Zubair stated, I also have a dislike of these lists of scholars. Personally for me it conjures up memories of the list of scholars which started to be drawn up in the 90's by the Supa Dupa Salafis (troid et al).

On a side point, Is it Islamically permissable to pray for Shia extremeists and Jahmi extremeists, in the sense that the extremists of both groups could well be considered kufaar due to certain of their theological positions. And it is prohibited to pray for kufaar after they have died as Allah states in Qur'an in ref. to the Prophet SAWS dua for Abu Talib.

Actually all human knowledge and scholarship should be respected by a Muslim. Revealed knowledge aswell as the knowledge of sciences etc...the truth is it is all from Allah ultimately and Muslims must stake their claim to that knowledge to become a great civilisation again.

I must stop digressing (Sorry)

its just that ever since i came on this board, i have seen knew lebels and knew groups, so i was listing scholars i have book or lectures from, and who i have learnt from, so i was wondering if by anychance i may have been fooled by someone or followed a rong "group"

i never said these are the only scholars, these are just the ones i have books and lectures of. and i shud say, im very broke, so cant really buy books from anyone else right now:o

this was for my peace of mind that im nt straying of the staright oath

sometimes its hard to know whats right and rong, so u need afew good initial scholars who give u a strng foundation, so that u will be able to identify errors and things to stay away from later insha'Allah

[1mran]

Regarding HY, I have his lectures on names and attributes... it is sickening.

I can list statements upon statements by him that would make you sick to death.

He apparently has a paper called How Budhism saved Islam.


Lahawla wallah quwatta illah billah

you know, Imam anwar al-Awlaki spoke about a book published in amerca by a journalist who interviewed a former CIA head or something, and he said the opperation against muslims was so big that they had fake scholars out there preaching hate and devision.

im not syaing HY is one, but all im saying is that we should be aware that such "hired" or "scholars - for -hire" to exists.

even in uk, we have muslim men spying for the gov and i know of brs who were appraochd to join M15 to spy on islamic socs!!

imagine!

they even send hindus who pretend to be muslims into mosques, and the dispatches programme that really caused division in uk

MAy Allah destroy those who plot against us. ameen

[Umm Ahmed]

Again, I have benefitted some knowledge and Insight from both of the above, including less Salafi "scholars" such as Hamz Yusuf (*Shock!*) and some sufis, but if you are at a level when you are just starting practicing just stick with trusted scholarship untill you can see the wood from the trees as they say.


Hamza Yusuf is very popular in the UAE amoungst the english speaking revert community , he was persona non grata for a long time, but post 9-11 has seen his return. I think its the heart softening topics that might appeal ? what did you find that was helpful to you?
I myself haven't listened to anything from him , mainly due to all the warnings that come along after his name is mentioned.
Just curious as your the first non sufi modernist type thats said that, and so I feel I can ask you that safely.

[Abuz Zubair]

I understand your situation, dear bro... I think what you should do is begin by learning the basic fundamentals, such as tawheed, very basics of fiqh, such as 'umdah, etc... and you will see how everything automatically falls into place. But don't rush into things and do not concern yourself with deep topics that might be of no benefit to you now.

Concentrate on what affects you in your daily life.

[1mran]

Hamza Yusuf is very popular in the UAE amoungst the english speaking revert community , he was persona non grata for a long time, but post 9-11 has seen his return. I think its the heart softening topics that might appeal ? what did you find that was helpful to you?
I myself haven't listened to anything from him , mainly due to all the warnings that come along after his name is mentioned.
Just curious as your the first non sufi modernist type thats said that, and so I feel I can ask you that safely.

he connects to the people by explaining things is a more logical and spiritual way.

the thing is that we have many scholars who do that already. if u read ibn taymiyahs books and ibnul qayyim's books, they do this anyway,


i'll give u an example of what the Naqshabandi Sufi say:

Sheikh Nazim claims that if u become his Mureed, he will come to u when u die, and tell the angel of death to take a break (!!) and he will remove ur soul(!!!)

then, when ur soul comes back to the grave (into the barzak), he (nazim) will answer the questions for you, and hence u have a free ticket to jannah.

now, is that very appealing?

yet we know crazy it is?

So like wise, Hamza yusuf makes things seem good and he even makes Sufism seem fine.

its like propaganda or brainwashing.

its like what christians catholic priests do. they pick certain verses of the bible and preache those only and they make christianity seem soo good.

but we live in the real world.

if u had a choice, between a good doctor and a dodgy doctor, who would you go to? the good doctor is a expert and will do his best to help, the dodgy doctor may help you, but he will end up hurting u in the process or making things worse.

So even tho HY may have some good, its very tricky to listen to him because he makes so many strange statements.

you should here what bilal philips says happens to some sisters in the dhikr circles these sufis have!! its very shocking! :eek:

Allah knows best

[1mran]

I understand your situation, dear bro... I think what you should do is begin by learning the basic fundamentals, such as tawheed, very basics of fiqh, such as 'umdah, etc... and you will see how everything automatically falls into place. But don't rush into things and do not concern yourself with deep topics that might be of no benefit to you now.

Concentrate on what affects you in your daily life.

Jazaka'allahu khayrn

I bought a set of Bilal philips books called Islamic Studies (1-4).

they seem to be for children, but cover all the basics for muslim, starting with Tawheed and working from there.

all the books i have are basic books and mostly relevant to what affects me and my family, alhamdulilah

[Abu Ilyas]

Hamza Yusuf a Salafi !!

he is a deviant sufi.

one sister told me that she attended some lectures by him, in which he sounded good, but after couple lectures, his deviant beliefs started to show.

so dont' judge him by a few lectures, becuase he doesnt' always show his true sufi beliefs in his lectures, many of them sound good and attractive, but if you check his beliefs in sufism especially, and the sufi shaikhs he praises, you will know that he is a deviant sufi.

I'm someone who led a campaign against Hamza Yusuf when I was in the ISOC at University which resulted in HY not being invited to a tour of a few universities in the UK that year. So I have researched HY in some depth.

But can you benefit from him? Yes, probably. As long as you know what is what. Just as you might go to and study something from a Kaafir scholar at University and it might give you a new insight on your deen.

If we close our ears and eyes to other scholarship then we will just become brain dead Salafis of the 90's again.

[Abu Ilyas]

Jazaka'Allahu Khayrn

what is Irjaa again?

In basic terms Irjaa is a term which describes a belief about the concept and reality of Iman which a group who were termed Murjee espoused, even in the first few centuries of Islam.

Again, in brief, the beleif in Irjaa entails that actions are not a part of Iman. So the actions we do, do not have an effect on the level of our Iman according to these people.Therefore, this entails that you can never be a kaafir because of an action which you commit. Which is unlike the position of Ahl Us Sunnah who say that certain actions mean you can indeed fall into disbeleif, for example - not praying, replacing the whole system of the Sharia', killing a Prophet, spitting on the Qur'an e.t.c e.t.c.

Certain people who call themselves Salafi in our times have been exposed for such beleifs of Irjaa' particularly in trying to prove that not ruling by what Allah has revealed cannot be Kufr in and of itself unless that action of not ruling is accompanied by a denial that such is an obligation.

Saleem Hilali and Dr.Jibaly still stick with people who the senior Salafi scholars have warned against for their Irjaa, namely Ali Halabi and Khalid Al Anbari.

Please have a look at the following :

http://www.as-sahwah.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=3&

[Abu Ilyas]

Hamza Yusuf is very popular in the UAE amoungst the english speaking revert community , he was persona non grata for a long time, but post 9-11 has seen his return. I think its the heart softening topics that might appeal ? what did you find that was helpful to you?
I myself haven't listened to anything from him , mainly due to all the warnings that come along after his name is mentioned.
Just curious as your the first non sufi modernist type thats said that, and so I feel I can ask you that safely.

Yes, the heart softening topics in particular.

In my opinion HY does not display any deep knowledge for which you need to listen to him.

Coming from a rather dry Salafi background in a UK midlands town where frankly nobody talked about anything except deviants, 'manhaj' and maybe if your lucky went through Usool Ath Thalatha for the 45th time. Well, in such circumstances anybody who is talking about purifying the soul or dhikr is a welcome and needed change, as Tazkiyah is a part of our Islam.

This is why I said HY gave me something. Neverthless he is a poor substitute to true 'Salafi' scholars who talk about this topic, but I only discovered Salafi scholars who give importance to such things afterwards.

HY just fills a gap. Which should have been filled with suitable Salafi scholars.

I think part of the appeal of HY however is just show. The fact that he is white, Harvard educated and speaks in soft feminine tones basically means he could even get away with saying: " Shaytan is good", "Islam loves Homosexuals" and "Long live Israel" if he wanted to and you will find Muslims with inferiority complexes buying his CD's and sisters aahing and oooing and thinking the way he speaks is cute...which was actually what happened at our Uni.The "great White Shaykh" even had a HY fan club.

[Abu Ilyas]

I would be careful in accusing others of irjaa'.

some might be, but some are accused falesly, like one who accused sh. Ibn Baz rahimahu Allah of Irjaa', which is stupid, obviously the guy doesnt' know the shaikhs aqeedah well.

so dont' accept the accusation against anyone of irjaa' until you verify it yourself.

Who are you referring to sister?

[Abu Ilyas]

its just that ever since i came on this board, i have seen knew lebels and knew groups, so i was listing scholars i have book or lectures from, and who i have learnt from, so i was wondering if by anychance i may have been fooled by someone or followed a rong "group"

i never said these are the only scholars, these are just the ones i have books and lectures of. and i shud say, im very broke, so cant really buy books from anyone else right now:o

this was for my peace of mind that im nt straying of the staright oath

sometimes its hard to know whats right and rong, so u need afew good initial scholars who give u a strng foundation, so that u will be able to identify errors and things to stay away from later insha'Allah

I understand where your coming from.

I forgot to add, a good explanation of the reality of Iman and Irjaa etc can be found in the book "He came to teach you your religon" by Jamal Zarabozo.

[Um Abdullah M.]

Saleem Hilali and Dr.Jibaly still stick with people who the senior Salafi scholars have warned against for their Irjaa, namely Ali Halabi and Khalid Al Anbari.


So your warning about Dr Jibaly because he sticks with those you named?
not that he himself has belief of irjaa' in Iman?

[Abu Ilyas]

So your warning about Dr Jibaly because he sticks with those you named?
not that he himself has belief of irjaa' in Iman?

Well Jibaly published Al Anbaris book when the scholars said that it should not be spread!

And it is well known that Salim Hilali is Ali Halabis right hand man.

[1mran]

In basic terms Irjaa is a term which describes a belief about the concept and reality of Iman which a group who were termed Murjee espoused, even in the first few centuries of Islam.

Again, in brief, the beleif in Irjaa entails that actions are not a part of Iman. So the actions we do, do not have an effect on the level of our Iman according to these people.Therefore, this entails that you can never be a kaafir because of an action which you commit. Which is unlike the position of Ahl Us Sunnah who say that certain actions mean you can indeed fall into disbeleif, for example - not praying, replacing the whole system of the Sharia', killing a Prophet, spitting on the Qur'an e.t.c e.t.c.

Certain people who call themselves Salafi in our times have been exposed for such beleifs of Irjaa' particularly in trying to prove that not ruling by what Allah has revealed cannot be Kufr in and of itself unless that action of not ruling is accompanied by a denial that such is an obligation.

Saleem Hilali and Dr.Jibaly still stick with people who the senior Salafi scholars have warned against for their Irjaa, namely Ali Halabi and Khalid Al Anbari.

Please have a look at the following :

http://www.as-sahwah.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=3&

oh ok, Jazaka'Allahu khayrn

[1mran]

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I think part of the appeal of HY however is just show. The fact that he is white, Harvard educated and speaks in soft feminine tones basically means he could even get away with saying: " Shaytan is good", "Islam loves Homosexuals" and "Long live Israel" if he wanted to and you will find Muslims with inferiority complexes buying his CD's and sisters aahing and oooing and thinking the way he speaks is cute...which was actually what happened at our Uni.The "great White Shaykh" even had a HY fan club.

exactly!! i didnt want to say anything, but thats really the main case.

same goes for abdul hakim murad, because he's white and from cambridge, people think he's some kind of scholar. subhanAllah is cambridge an islamic university now?

even yusuf islam. people still follow him regardless of the errors he has fallen into now, why? because they just like him so much.

u see sisters in his concerts where he plays his guitar and sings about all sorts of things.

or sami yusuf, u see sisters literally jumping up and dancing like its a rock concert.

there's also a new br that sisters have gone "head over heals" for, and thats br Ali from ummah films. you should have seen how many people went to see him. it was mostly sisters!, but this br is good tho, and suprisingly smart, masha'Allah

anway, the point is that words can be powerful. especially when it comes to talking to sisters. its one of the reasons why u are not allowed to be with a sister alone and one of the reason why a sister needs a wali. no im not giving fatwa, im talking from experince. i have seen afew too many brs talkiing sisters for a ride and most of the time they just sweep them off ther feet with just words...

i remember some people from my isoc wnt for HY event and they came back wanting to give da'wah to Gay people. it was so strange. not that we shouldnt, but it was just very strange....

Allah knows best

[1mran]

Well Jibaly published Al Anbaris book when the scholars said that it should not be spread!

And it is well known that Salim Hilali is Ali Halabis right hand man.

is it possible Jibaly was unaware of this until after the book was published?

[Um Abdullah M.]

Well Jibaly published Al Anbaris book when the scholars said that it should not be spread!


what is the title of al Anbari's book?
in Arabic please
and whom from the scholars said it shouldnt' be spread?

so I can do a search and get some info about it.

[Abu Faaris As-Sumalee]

"al-hukm bi ghairi ma anzala Allah wa usool at-takfeer"

It was made haram to propagate, publish or sell by the permanent commite of senior scholars in that land.

What it contains is the creed of Al-Albani( rahimallah), rabee al-madkhali and his followrs, with regards to iman and kufr.

Anbari was asked to make tawba when he presented their aqeeda in a book.

[Yasir]

Neverthless he is a poor substitute to true 'Salafi' scholars who talk about this topic, but I only discovered Salafi scholars who give importance to such things afterwards.Who did you find from the Salafi scholars that gave importance to these topics? I know of a couple in Arabic (though there's probably many more), but there's only Muhammad ash-Shareef that I can think of in English that has a number of talks relating to these concepts. Other than that Jamal Zarabozo has a few talks about tazkiyyah.The fact that he is white, Harvard educated and speaks in soft feminine tones basically means he could even get away with saying: " Shaytan is good", "Islam loves Homosexuals" and "Long live Israel" if he wanted to and you will find Muslims with inferiority complexes buying his CD's and sisters aahing and oooing and thinking the way he speaks is cute...which was actually what happened at our Uni.The "great White Shaykh" even had a HY fan club.To be fair, I think if he was Salafi, he'd get just the same fan-club.

[Abu Ilyas]

Who did you find from the Salafi scholars that gave importance to these topics? I know of a couple in Arabic (though there's probably many more), but there's only Muhammad ash-Shareef that I can think of in English that has a number of talks relating to these concepts. Other than that Jamal Zarabozo has a few talks about tazkiyyah.To be fair, I think if he was Salafi, he'd get just the same fan-club.

Ali Timimi had some good lectures on such topics.

Saalim Al Amry too.

Ofcourse the translated works of Ibn Qayyim is very beneficial for tazkiyah.

[JayshAllah]

I have a question: Is Muhammad al-Shareef (may Allah be pleased with him) considered a scholar?

[Abu Ilyas]

I have a question: Is Muhammad al-Shareef (may Allah be pleased with him) considered a scholar?

Depends what you mean by scholar. I am using the term loosely. Many on the initial list are people of knowledge but not what I would term an Aalim.

[JayshAllah]

Depends what you mean by scholar. I am using the term loosely. Many on the initial list are people of knowledge but not what I would term an Aalim.

But he did a 4 year course at Medinah University which is called an Aalim course. Does this not qualify a person as an Aalim? Or is a misnomer?

When does one become a scholar? Is more than the Aalim course required?

[Abu Ilyas]

But he did a 4 year course at Medinah University which is called an Aalim course. Does this not qualify a person as an Aalim? Or is a misnomer?

When does one become a scholar? Is more than the Aalim course required?

A person becomes a scholar when the Ulama regard him as such. they excel in Ilm so they should be the one to recognise who has capacity in Ilm' and can be referred to as an Aalim.

[JayshAllah]

A person becomes a scholar when the Ulama regard him as such. they excel in Ilm so they should be the one to recognise who has capacity in Ilm' and can be referred to as an Aalim.

Cool. I always wondered what are the requirements to be considered an Islamic scholar.