Mother in plea over missing girl

[Abuz Zubair]

Its so sad... May Allah help the family through their ordeal and protect the girl... The society has become so evil.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6631255.stm

[Umm Ahmed]

Shocking , every parents worse nightmare.

[juwairiyah]

Assalamo'alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

may Allah make this incident a zarayah for their coming into islam ameen

[juwairiyah]

Its so sad... May Allah help the family through their ordeal and protect the girl... The society has become so evil.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6631255.stm

Assalamo'alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

I always learnt that w ecan make dua for hidayah for kaffir and not any other duaa ...

Is it right ??

[Abuz Zubair]

No, you can make dua for their well-being, too. It is their forgiveness you cannot ask for.

[gag order]

can one say "bless you" when they sneeze?

[Abuz Zubair]

bless you with Islam, good health, well-being, etc... then yes.

bless you with Allah's mercy; then no, since mercy and forgiveness is not to be sought on behalf of kuffar.


The Jews used to deliberately sneeze in the presence of the Prophet - SallAlahu 'alaihi wa-sallam - hoping that he would say: yarhamukAllah... may Allah have mercy on you. But instead, the prophet would say: May Allah guide you and better your affairs.

[gag order]

what i mean is just 'bless you' as they say, nothing more nothing less

[Abuz Zubair]

Allahu Alam, what do the people general mean when they say 'bless'?

[gag order]

i was hoping you might know what the intended meaning was. it just seems like a courtesy and nothing more?

[Abuz Zubair]

I don't know what the meaning is, which is why I cannot say whether it is right or wrong... if it has no particular meaning then it depends on the intention of the person saying it, Allahu Alam.

[Ibn Adam]

Originally it would have been a short for "God bless you."

I seem to remember it had something to do with impending doom after sneezing. In the days of the plague and what not, you sneeze and everyone's like "Oh-oh, he's a goner!" So they'd say "God bless you" because you're on your way out due to illness.

But then again Goodbye is a contraction of "God be with ye!" so are we going to abandon that, or the abbreviated "bye", too?

[Abuz Zubair]

very interesting... If that's the case, Allahu Alam...

The companions would also sometimes use phrases that might sound objectionable, such as they would swear an oath: La 'Amri... which some scholars said means swearing by one's age, others scholars said, well, it doesn't mean anything in particular, it is just a phrase used to swear an oath... Allahu Alam.

[Umm Farouk]

But can 1 say bless u with the intention of God shld bless them to islam and not bless u for God's mercy or must it be completed?

[knowrass]

But then again Goodbye is a contraction of "God be with ye!"

speaking of "god be with ye", does anyone know the ruling on saying "Allah ma'ak/wiyaak"?

in iraq, shiias say: "Allah wa Muhammad wa Ali wiyaak!"

[Niqaabis]

Its so sad... May Allah help the family through their ordeal and protect the girl... The society has become so evil.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6631255.stm

Subhaan Allaah this is so sad

the little girl is probably wondering where her mummy is......its been almost a week

May Allaah return this little girl to her parents as soon as possible aameen

[abu_ibrahim]

May Allah return her to her parents safely. Ameen.

I have a 3 year old niece and to think how sweet they are at that age.

[Abuz Zubair]

Honestly, no one knows the feeling of losing the child for 1/2 an hour except a parent who has been through it. It is the heaviest burden on one's heart.

[knowrass]

Honestly, no one knows the feeling of losing the child for 1/2 an hour except a parent who has been through it. It is the heaviest burden on one's heart.

so true. what about newborns? they're so fragile and weak! when my baby was born i kept on checking on her to make sure she is still breathing. you hear about so many cases where the baby just dies a couple of hours after birth. may Allaah swt grant sabr to all parents that go through hardship because of their kids, aameen.

[Abuz Zubair]

I know what you mean... I had the same sort of feeling when I had my first born.

But losing a first born is a lot easier than raising a sweet little child for two years and then losing him/her forever. Much, much harder on the heart. This girl was five years old I think, and this is why I really feel for the parents.

[1mran]

Its amazing, how much media coverage for just one girl. just because she is blonde and has blue eyes...

i wish for her to be found as much as anyone else,

but its amazing how some muslims have taken so much interest in this...

yet they forget how chidlren are being raped in killed in palestine, irqa, Kashmir, etc

look at this for example,

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1696742006

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=393846&in_page_id=1811

http://archive.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=136658


All i am saying is lets not forget our own muslim brothers and sisters and lets not forget to make dua for them and help them.

.............................

[Umm]

I don't think anyone has forgotten Kashmir, but obviously as she is a white Brit, they will make a fuss. The parents, although as a parent I can feel for them, it was really reckless of them to leave small toddlers sleeping - even if they did check on them once in a while.

[WM]

Abuz Zubair the father... ;)

[1mran]

Abuz Zubair the father... ;)

really? thats really kool masha'Allah :) is that the reason she has her name as only "umm"?

[Abuz Zubair]

I don't think anyone has forgotten Kashmir, but obviously as she is a white Brit, they will make a fuss. The parents, although as a parent I can feel for them, it was really reckless of them to leave small toddlers sleeping - even if they did check on them once in a while.
Yes... I thought that too... it is absolutely reckless... but you know what really gets to me, is that sometimes we too behave recklessly towards the kids, knowingly or unknowingly, thinking that nothing will happening to them... yet when it happens we cannot regret enough.

Sometimes it is just Allah's decree. We just need to pray to Allah that He doesn't test us with respect to our kids.

Imran, your point about Muslim kids cannot be more valid. And hence, the importance of OUR OWN MEDIA!!!! The media that is NOT controlled by uncle Toms in our communities! Unlike Islam Channel!

[Umm]

really? thats really kool masha'Allah :) is that the reason she has her name as only "umm"?

Erm brother Imran, I think you misunderstood what Muhaqiq had written. His post about "Abu Zubair the father" was not in any way referring to my post. My husband is an East London brother.

[1mran]

Erm brother Imran, I think you misunderstood what Muhaqiq had written. His post about "Abu Zubair the father" was not in any way referring to my post. My husband is an East London brother.

oh subhanAllah

im sori sister, i read ur post saying ur a mother, and then read the next one saying abu zubair the father, and i assume the brother was talking about ur child.

Im very sori for the confusion:(

[Umm]

No problem insha'Allah.

[1mran]

Sometimes it is just Allah's decree. We just need to pray to Allah that He doesn't test us with respect to our kids.



This is True too.

If we recall the Story of Musa and al-Khidr, we see some parents being put thru this test:-

Then they both proceeded, till they met a boy, he (Khidr) killed him. Mûsa (Moses) said: "Have you killed an innocent person who had killed none? Verily, you have committed a thing "Nukra" (a great Munkar - prohibited, evil, dreadful thing)!" (Al-Kahf 18:74)

al-Khidr explains why he killed the boy

"And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared lest he should oppress them by rebellion and disbelief. (Al-Kahf 18:80)


"So we intended that their Lord should change him for them for one better in righteousness and near to mercy. (Al-Kahf 18:81)



http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=4936


and we have hadith explaining how parents should be patient when they lose their children, for example:-

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Some women requested the Prophet to fix a day for them as the men were taking all his time. On that he promised them one day for religious lessons and commandments. Once during such a lesson the Prophet said, "A woman whose three children die will be shielded by them from the Hell fire." On that a woman asked, "If only two die?" He replied, "Even two (will shield her from the Hell-fire)."

[Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 101]

[ibnYaseen]

It's proper hard to imagine myself in their position, I don't know how I'd feel if it happened to me -- I do know my life would be on hold, except for the increased ibadah, particularly duaa, as is human fitrah which comes out raw in times of distress and extreme worry.

Any time my daughter even has a little chokey cough I drop everything and rush to lift her and pat her back... so true what a poster above said about how it's harder when the girl has grown up, compared to her possibly dieing at at birth -- a close friend of mine experienced this just over a week ago, his girl was 6 days old, inna lillaahi wa inna ilayhi raji'oon.

[1mran]

It's proper hard to imagine myself in their position, I don't know how I'd feel if it happened to me -- I do know my life would be on hold, except for the increased ibadah, particularly duaa, as is human fitrah which comes out raw in times of distress and extreme worry.

Any time my daughter even has a little chokey cough I drop everything and rush to lift her and pat her back... so true what a poster above said about how it's harder when the girl has grown up, compared to her possibly dieing at at birth -- a close friend of mine experienced this just over a week ago, his girl was 6 days old, inna lillaahi wa inna ilayhi raji'oon.

innalilahi wa inna ilayhi rajioon

Remember, feeling saddness is natural,

even the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), felt it:-

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

We went with Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) to the blacksmith Abu Saif, and he was the husband of the wet-nurse of Ibrahim (the son of the Prophet). Allah's Apostle took Ibrahim and kissed him and smelled him and later we entered Abu Saif's house and at that time Ibrahim was in his last breaths, and the eyes of Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) started shedding tears. 'Abdur Rahman bin 'Auf said, "O Allah's Apostle, even you are weeping!" He said, "O Ibn 'Auf, this is mercy." Then he wept more and said, "The eyes are shedding tears and the heart is grieved, and we will not say except what pleases our Lord, O Ibrahim ! Indeed we are grieved by your separation."

[Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 390]


What we should understand however, is that everything happens for a reason:-

"...and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allâh knows but you do not know." (Al-Baqarah 2:216)

Refer to the story of Musa and al-Khidr for an explaination for what i mean.

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=4936

and Allah knows best

[Abuz Zubair]

And you know what really makes our heart bleed... to know that some of your brothers in Cuba haven't seen their kids for seven years... every year they celebrate their eid without their kids.

[Yasir]

Yes subhanAllah, and the kids having to celebrate their Eid without their fathers.

[Yasir]

Madeleine reward rises to £2.5m

Rewards totalling £2.5m have been offered to anyone who can help with information leading to the safe return of Madeleine McCann. The News of the World and businessmen including Sir Richard Branson have jointly pledged £1.5m. Scottish tycoon Stephen Winyard has offered £1m.

Full Story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6649951.stm

[gag order]

is there something wrong with us?

when my baby was born i kept on checking on her to make sure she is still breathing.


I know what you mean... I had the same sort of feeling when I had my first born.


experienced the same thing :confused:

[Umm Ahmed]

Just making sure they are allright , I think everyone does it.

[Skillganon]

It is instinct.

[WM]

So much parenting sentiment on this thread I'm gonna barf...I hope kids don't do this kind of stuff to my brain :)

[Umm Ahmed]

Its a rahmah brother Muhaqiq , once you hold your own child for the first time you will be gaga like the rest of us .

[Niqaabis]

is there something wrong with us?





experienced the same thing :confused:

I dont have children

but I do that with my nephews, everytime they stay over I wake up each time one of them moves during the night

It's werid subhaan Allaah..

[knowrass]

from ae's blog:


On Madeleine McCann.
Posted by Abu Eesa under Life

I just saw a news report on the horrific story surrounding the abduction of Madeleine McCann where the reporter said, “We have no idea what Mrs McCann must be going through.”

Well, let me try.

Try thinking of the worst possible feeling in the world. Think of the most beloved thing you have i.e. your children, in their most beautiful and loving form i.e. their infancy, in their most weak and desperate state i.e. now, and then - gone. You don’t know where, you don’t know who, you don’t know why, you don’t know anything. That’s the worst part, you simply don’t know anything and you feel totally hopeless.

http://alternativeentertainment.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/_42892507_madeleine416p.jpg

As Allah is my witness, you don’t wish that pain and terror upon your worst enemy. It’s an oft-repeated cliche that, but I repeat: I don’t wish that ordeal upon my worst enemy because it’s not just that person you destroy but the innocent little child in the middle of it all. And I only write about this like I am because recently I also thought that someone had abducted my youngest son.

Trust me, I’m not a melodramatic person but cutting a long story short (which obviously some of you know about), my son disappeared from a Masjid and being only two and a half years old, I knew he couldn’t speak or put his shoes on or do anything yet he had disappeared and a quick search of the neighbouring roads turned up nothing and the police were called. Don’t ask me why but I was convinced that he’d be taken. Why? I told you, don’t ask me. I just knew he had. And those forty minutes were the most painful and stressful ever. And then he was found. Down the road. In a Cash & Carry, crossing over roads and all the rest it, happy as larry. End of drama.

Whether I over-reacted or not, whether it was worse than I thought or not, whether it was nothing in the end or not - the reality is that I tasted that fear and terror that the McCanns are going through, and more importantly I’ve tasted the real meaning of Allah’s statement, “And Allah’s favour upon you is indeed tremendous.”

One notices the discussion surrounding the actions of the McCanns in leaving their children in the room whilst they ate a little distance away is hotting up. I don’t know whether I can be as critical of them as I might have been if I hadn’t gone through the same scenario.

How many times have we left our children in the car as we quickly post a letter, buy come confectionary, drop the older child into class, save the baby from getting wet by leaving it inside for a second to put the bin out etc etc? I know I have.

How many times have you made a mistake as a parent? I know I have. Many times.

Will I ever let my two eldest sons look after my youngest again, despite the fact that they were both holding his hands at the back of the Masjid? No.

Would I have let them do that today if he hadn’t gone missing? Yes.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but now is not the time for that but for supplication and support. The stupidity of the English media in trying to alienate the Portugese nation shows that the media don’t just hate Muslims, they’re just a bunch of utterly idiotic and evil irresponsible fools. I now believe that more than ever, I really do. A story becomes more important to them to sell their papers than the issue at hand. It would be simply unbelievable if it wasn’t for that fact that it’s absolutely true.

One of the police officers involved in the investigation said a beautiful statement: “hope is the last thing we lose”. So here’s for hope insha’Allah.

This du’a is for all those people in the world who are suffering from one pain or another, for one reason or another, who live in terror and suffering from one day to another.

O Allah, we place our hope in Your Mercy. Decree that which is best for us sinners, heal the hearts of a hurting people who suffer from the evil of others and give us strength and patience throughout our trials. Ameen.

Source (http://alternativeentertainment.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/on-madeleine-mccann/)

[juwairiyah]

Assalamo'alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

Not to belittle their condition but subhanAllah how many muslim children have suffered we don't even know as they don't come as news in brief let alone headlines ....

[gag order]

the parents contributed to her abduction becos of their irresponsible cultural "obligation" to wine and dine.

[Umm Ahmed]

the parents contributed to her abduction becos of their irresponsible cultural "obligation" to wine and dine.

In their case yes , but how many times have we run over to the local shop and left our kids for a few mins, or took our eyes off them at the local park . this could happen to anyone , I do hope that it makes us aware that the world is not a safe place.
I am glad I grew up without the restrictions that parents have to place on their kids now.

[waziri]

In their case yes , but how many times have we run over to the local shop and left our kids for a few mins, or took our eyes off them at the local park . this could happen to anyone , I do hope that it makes us aware that the world is not a safe place.
I am glad I grew up without the restrictions that parents have to place on their kids now.

Excellent point,it could happen to anyone.

May Allah subhana wa ta ala protect us aaameeeen

[gag order]

there is a big difference between momentarily taking your eyes off the children as they play whilst under supervision and leaving them unsupervised and unattended on purpose just to satisfy whims and desires...

sure it can happen to anyone, but not everyone contributes to it happening!

[waziri]

Asalamualaykum,,


The parents of little madeline Mcann are going throgh hell at the moment and I can only sympathise, and cant bring myself to point the finger and say it was their own fault.

I think you need to be more sympathetic also akhi Gag order.


wasalam

[Umm Ahmed]

there is a big difference between momentarily taking your eyes off the children as they play whilst under supervision and leaving them unsupervised and unattended on purpose just to satisfy whims and desires...

sure it can happen to anyone, but not everyone contributes to it happening!


Yes I know , no one condones their lifestyle which was the reason why they left their children asleep alone.
But still stories like these make you reflect, and aim to keep a closer eye on one's own offspring.

[Yasir]

'Dinner in your garden'

The couple said criticism of their decision to leave their children in the apartment while they ate had been "hard to deal with".

"No-one will ever feel as guilty as we do over the fact that we weren't with Madeleine at the time when she was abducted," Mr McCann said.

"Whether we were in the bedroom next door we would still feel as guilty."

He said the restaurant had a direct line of sight to the apartment and was "not dissimilar to having dinner in your garden".

And he insisted their half-hourly checks on the children were just as "rigorous" as any official babysitting service.

"If you thought for a moment that someone could abduct your child of course you would never have left them, but that was the furthest thing from our mind after what up until then was an idyllic holiday."

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6692161.stm

[Muwahidah]

I think its not the content but how you say it, nobody is defending the parents for what they did however the timing isn't perfect, since the little girl hasn't been found. The guilt that they must be feeling, only they know.

I myself am a parent and i never leave my children on their own even if it means to drag both of them everywhere with me, however i keep reminding my self that you will protect your child wherever possible yet if Allah wills for something to happen to them it will happen whether your with them or not.

[Umm]

I'm getting sick of seeing the case in the news all the time.
I wonder who her parents (middle class dictors) know high up that even the pope, footballers etc have gotten involved. So many children go missing, and it has never made the headlines like this.

I feel sorry for the parents, but it was irresponsible.
Wealthy doctors and they couldn't be bothered to fork out £10 an hour babysitting money?