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Abuz Zubair
10th May 2007, 01:43 AM
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Yasir
10th May 2007, 01:54 AM
About your signature: iii) nor is there a Prophet in the grave;What does this mean?
Abuz Zubair
10th May 2007, 01:57 AM
About your signature: What does this mean?
http://hanbalis.com/index.php/Ibn_al-Jawzi#_note-22
Yasir
10th May 2007, 02:05 AM
Do any of them - from the contemporary ones - still hold that notion?
Abuz Zubair
10th May 2007, 02:05 AM
I don't think so... Now they say that the Prophets are all alive as they were before their death.
Yasir
10th May 2007, 02:48 AM
... Now they say that the Prophets are all alive as they were before their death.So they consider their life of the Anbiyaa in their graves, 'alayhimus salaam, to be in a dunyawiyyah sense, and not only barzakhiyyah? If so, wouldn't that entail them "freeing" the Anbiyaa 'alayhimus salaam from being buried underground, whilst alive - rather than their reciting poetry around the places they believe Prophets to be buried, such as Hood 'alayhis salaam?
knowrass
10th May 2007, 10:39 AM
I don't think so... Now they say that the Prophets are all alive as they were before their death.

based upon this, do ash'aris allow tawassul through the prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) since they consider him alive?
Abuz Zubair
10th May 2007, 12:51 PM
Exactly, and many other points Ibn al-Qayyim mentions in al-Nuniyya.

based upon this, do ash'aris allow tawassul through the prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) since they consider him alive?

Not really tawassul, but some of the latter Ash'aris argued on this basis for istighatha... i.e. since they are alive, like we all are, you can call upon them.
Ibn Abul Ma'ali
5th June 2007, 12:49 PM
Ya Akh Abu Zubair

The point from the picture and the quote in your sig states 'No God in the heavens'...but don't we believe that Allah is above the 7 Heavens? To say that Allah is in the heavens would be to say that he is within His creation!

Please explain Jazzakum Allahu Khairan

Wassalamu Alaikum

Ibn Abul Ma'ali
Abuz Zubair
5th June 2007, 01:13 PM
You're right... but even in English, the word in doesn't just refer to the inside, it also refers to the direction.
Amid Khan
20th June 2007, 02:56 PM
http://hanbalis.com/index.php/Ibn_al-Jawzi#_note-22


Is the above quote attributed to ibn al Jawzi found in Dhayl Tabaqat al-Hanabil of ibn Rajab? Is it under his bio?
Abuz Zubair
21st June 2007, 06:55 AM
yes, indeed.