Question about 'Alawi al-Maliki

[Brother_Mujahid]

Can anyone tell me about the late Muhammad 'Alawi al-Maliki. I have heard some factions praising him, that the Saudi King Faisal (rahimahullah) would often seek his advice, and that Shaykh Salman al-'Awdah attended his funeral. On the other hand I heard that he was a quburi and a heretic. What is the truth of this matter?

[Abuz Zubair]

Did Sh Salman attend his funeral?!

[knowrass]

well, check out sheikh wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Maliki

[Abuz Zubair]

But I didn't read any ref to Sh Salman.

[Brother_Mujahid]

I cannot recall where I heard this about Shaykh Salman, maybe I'm mixing it up with something else. Though about 'Alawi al-Maliki, what is/was his status?

[knowrass]

sorry for the confusion abuz zubair, my message was to brother mujahid.

brother mujahid, from what i know sufis think that the "wahhabis" oppressed him.

[abu_ibrahim]

Shaykh Salman has been doing some really mashed up things lately. He even attended a Unayzah festival with Hasan al-Saffar, who is a Shia in the spirit of dialogue and tolerance.

[Brother_Mujahid]

Thank you knowrass, but I'm not asking what the Sufi-types think about him. I have found many articles in which they lavish all sorts of praise on him. What I want to know is if the charges that he is a promoter of grave-worship and other heresy are true.

[Brother_Mujahid]

Never mind, I found this from Yasir Qadhi:

Salaam Alaikum

While it is the general policy of Al Maghrib not to quote individuals, I make exceptions in certain cases - this being one of them. Alawi al-Maliki is one of the most revered of modern Sufi personas - to speak evil of him is tantamount to apostacy in the eyes of many of his followers. For them, he is the leader of the awliya of Allah.

Yet, it is no exageration to state that he was one of the most active proponents in our times of blatant acts of shirk (in all three categories - please read some of the quotes that are in Abu Yusuf's message in Arabic, and I can assure you that I've read them in the original sources and they are accurrate). How is it possible that he be of the awliya of Allah when he spent most of his energies directing mankind to worship the 'awliya' instead of Allah? Anyone who doubts this statement of mine should read his quotes again - with an open and honest mind.

The sad fact of the matter is that for most Sufis it is simply taboo to mention anything negative about this person. I personally have seen 'moderate' Sufis, when quoted ideas and statements that al-Maliki propogated, vehemntly deny that Sufiyyah has anything to do with such concepts, yet when they are shown *who* said them they become defensive and try to find excuses for this 'wali'.

All one needs to refute his concepts is the detailed evidences that we presented that the Jahilliyah Arabs believed in Allah as a Rabb, and committed shirk in their worship. All of al-Maliki's justifications of shirk in uloohiyyah and asma wa al-sifaat center around his premise that the Jahilliyah Arabs did not in fact believe in Allah as a Rabb (hence he is so concerned in his 'Mafahim....' to prove this point - in direct contradiction to explicit Quranic evidences that prove the contrary).

His book has been refuted in numerous other works - some of them are referenced in these other posts above. It is a further indication of the gap between the people of kalaam (who, in the early part of their history, had nothing to do with such shirk) and the people of the Sunnah that his book is prefaced by almost a hundred 'tazkiyahs' by the major Sufis/Mutakalims of our times. As I've said over and over again, far more dangerous than the differences in the Sifaat between us and the Mutakilimun is the differences in the understanding of the kalimah.

Wa Allah alam....

Yasir

[Yasir]

Shaykh Salman has been doing some really mashed up things lately. He even attended a Unayzah festival with Hasan al-Saffar, who is a Shia in the spirit of dialogue and tolerance.Is it wrong for them to hold talks and arrange dialogue?

[Brother_Mujahid]

I agree with Yasir, merely holding a dialouge with the Sufi and the Shi'a isn't wrong in and of itself. Shaykh Salman has never, at least to my knowledge, come out and approved of these movements or said they are valid in anyway. I will admit, I believe what he is doing is a waste of time and will likely have no practical benefit, but I don't know that he was done anything wrong. It would certainly be better if he were to cooperate with scholars like Shaykh Safar al-Hawali, Shaykh Nasser al-'Omar, and the like in their efforts.

[Intoodeep]

I agree with Yasir, merely holding a dialouge with the Sufi and the Shi'a isn't wrong in and of itself. Shaykh Salman has never, at least to my knowledge, come out and approved of these movements or said they are valid in anyway. I will admit, I believe what he is doing is a waste of time and will likely have no practical benefit, but I don't know that he was done anything wrong. It would certainly be better if he were to cooperate with scholars like Shaykh Safar al-Hawali, Shaykh Nasser al-'Omar, and the like in their efforts.

You may see no benefit in it, but maybe the shaykhs do see benefit. I think as knowledge increases you dont stay soo narrow-minded.

[abu_ibrahim]

Is it wrong for them to hold talks and arrange dialogue?

Brother, dialogue and talks is a good thing. However Hasan Saffar is making plans to divide Bilaad al-Haramain into 2 provinces, with the Shia in the east getting hold of most of the oil refineries.

Hasan Saffar is already preparing for a death squad, like the Jaysh al-Mahdi of Sadr in Iraq. In fact on one of the Shia websites there was an article, with the heading: "Shaikh al-Saffar: Either our rights or the explosion from within the country."

[Yasir]

Brother, dialogue and talks is a good thing. However Hasan Saffar is making plans to divide Bilaad al-Haramain into 2 provinces, with the Shia in the east getting hold of most of the oil refineries.

Hasan Saffar is already preparing for a death squad, like the Jaysh al-Mahdi of Sadr in Iraq. In fact on one of the Shia websites there was an article, with the heading: "Shaikh al-Saffar: Either our rights or the explosion from within the country."If what you've mentioned about al-Saffar is accurate, how should the scholars resolve the issue, other than to arrange dialogue and explore ways of preventing these problems?

Also, do you have further details of when Sh. Salman attended the Unayzah festival with Hassan al-Saffar?

[abubakr]

Has anyone got any samples of the shirk of sayyed alawi al malki??

Jazakallah khair

[MosDef]

The question should be why King Faysal loved him so much? I wonder what the other scholars thought...

The King Faysal would not make any decision on Makkah without consulting al-Sayyid Alawi.

Although i find it hard to believe...

[Um Abdullah M.]

he was a sufi heretic

just read some of his works.
sufis use his books to support their deviant beliefs regarding tawassul and other aqeedah stuff.
I have a paper on something he said, and a comment by one of the scholars about it, I need to check in my library and find it and reread it , because I dont' remember exactly what it said, but it had to do with aqeedah.

[Um Abdullah M.]

for ones who know Arabic, read these following links:

What the scholars said about Muhammad alawi maliki (http://saaid.net/Doat/Zugail/318.htm)

al jawab al kafi liman sa'ala 'an alawi maliki (http://saaid.net/feraq/sufyah/sh/1.htm)