shaikh Ibn Baz rahimhu Allah and dhikr

[Um Abdullah M.]

Assalamu alaykum

Yesterday I was watching a program on majd TV, called "madarij as-Salikeen", in which shaikh Muhammad Husain Ya'qub (Egyptian shaikh) was explaining the maratib in IMam Ibn al Qayim's book.

When he was speaking about "yaqadha", and about learning from righteous people, he spoke about shaikh Ibn Baz rahimahu Allah, and said that he has seen it with his own eyes, when the shaikh is eating, shewing his food he would stop during his shewing to say tashbih and dhikr.

I have also heard or read in past that shaikh Ibn baz rahimahu Allah, when not speak, or answering questions, would be doing dhikr.


This made me think about these sufis and hadras, makes me wonder if they do dhikr most of the time outside of those innovated hadras and gatherings of dhikr.
like the shaikh did rahimahu Allah.


may Allah make us from the dhakireen Allah katheeran (ones who make a lot of dhikr of Allah).

[knowrass]

ma shaa Allaah, i HIGHLY recommend shaykh muhammad hussayn ya'qoob's lectures and silsilas! for those that speak arabic, you can watch/download episodes of the madaarij as-saalikeen program here: http://www.yaqob.com/site/docs/multimedia.php?selsela_id=23

the shaykh focuses mainly on tazkiyah, do check out his site for other more interesting lectures in shaa Allaah!

[justabro]

Assalamu alaykum

Yesterday I was watching a program on majd TV, called "madarij as-Salikeen", in which shaikh Muhammad Husain Ya'qub (Egyptian shaikh) was explaining the maratib in IMam Ibn al Qayim's book.

When he was speaking about "yaqadha", and about learning from righteous people, he spoke about shaikh Ibn Baz rahimahu Allah, and said that he has seen it with his own eyes, when the shaikh is eating, shewing his food he would stop during his shewing to say tashbih and dhikr.

I have also heard or read in past that shaikh Ibn baz rahimahu Allah, when not speak, or answering questions, would be doing dhikr.


This made me think about these sufis and hadras, makes me wonder if they do dhikr most of the time outside of those innovated hadras and gatherings of dhikr.
like the shaikh did rahimahu Allah.


may Allah make us from the dhakireen Allah katheeran (ones who make a lot of dhikr of Allah).

actually, i was listening to one of his fatwas on islamway... as he listened to the question being asked, you could hear him quietly repeating "Subhanallah, Subhanallah..." until it was time for him to answer

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

i read before in a bio of the shaykh (rahimahullah) that when he was asked to wait on the phone he was heard on the other end doing tasbih! Subhanullah! howmuch of our lives do we waste?

[knowrass]

actually, i was listening to one of his fatwas on islamway... as he listened to the question being asked, you could hear him quietly repeating "Subhanallah, Subhanallah..." until it was time for him to answer

a bit off topic, but what are your thoughts on the quality of the shaykh's lectures in islamway? i wanted to go through some series of lectures but i found the qualities a bit low, do you recommend any good sites or any good ones that were a bit clearer in their recordings? jazaak Allaah.

[Abu_Abdallah]

al-Salamu 'Alaiku'm,

I visited once Birmingham with some brethren and there was one Somali brother who lived some time in the Netherlands, and every time we walked to the Mosque from his home - where we stayed the time being, as he generously provided for us during our visit - he use to talk with me on the way and each time we stopped chatting he would make Tasbih. And whenever he left, I would see him walking and like talking in his own.. masha'Allah. I was a bit jealous.

And this is just a simple Muslim, not a scholar of the great calibre of Ibn Bâz, rahimahullah.

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as salaamu alaykum,

if only all of us could be like that. We would obtain much blessings inshaallaah. Its beautiful to constantly recite dhikr and darood on the nabi salalahu alayhi wa salam

[justabro]

a bit off topic, but what are your thoughts on the quality of the shaykh's lectures in islamway? i wanted to go through some series of lectures but i found the qualities a bit low, do you recommend any good sites or any good ones that were a bit clearer in their recordings? jazaak Allaah.

I just happened to be looking for a fatwa on a particular issue (it was a small clip)

Overall, his voice seems to be raspy, and the quality is oftentimes poor as well making it difficult to listen to his lectures for most people. I think it partially depends upon how accustomed you are to his voice.

For example, in this one, his voice is very unclear:

http://islamway.com/?iw_s=Lesson&iw_a=view&lesson_id=1657&scholar_id=16&series_id=12

but it doesn't seem to be simply because of bad sound quality, maybe it's because it is late in his life, because I have heard some of his audio here and there which can be understood much easier. This is clearer but still tough to understand unless you're paying close attention:

http://islamway.com/?iw_s=Scholar&iw_a=series&series_id=3176

This is an individual lecture which is fairly clear and easy to understand:

http://islamway.com/?iw_s=Lesson&iw_a=view&lesson_id=4126

This is an individual fatwa which is fairly clear and easy to understand:

http://islamway.com/?iw_s=Lesson&iw_a=view&lesson_id=45953

[Um Abdullah M.]

oops, just noticed my spelling mistake in first post
it is "chewing" not "shewing".

[Ibn Al Khattab]

as salaamu alaykum,

if only all of us could be like that. We would obtain much blessings inshaallaah. Its beautiful to constantly recite dhikr and darood on the nabi salalahu alayhi wa salam

Wa Alaikum Salam wa Rahmatullah,

Why can't we be like that? What is stopping us?

Saying "I want to be like that, insha'Allah", does not make me like that. The only solution is to actually DO IT.

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as salaamu alaykum,

so are we doing it everyone?

[Idriss]

This is a wonderful lesson from the ma sheikh to keep the tongue moist with the remembrance of Allah and this is the quality of those who fight in a Allahs way’ for the ascetic has no place in Islam except for the one who is in rib bat and the one in Itikaff’ and in the hot of the battle’ the possibilities are endless except we become distracted from the goal’ but intention is a good beginning Inshallah’ may Allah give us all tawfiqe to follow through with that action of the tongue that we might be relieved and forgiven of the sins’ in that we present a clean heart for Him’ that Allah becomes pleased with his slaves long before we meet Him. I ask Allaah To Help All of the brothers and Sisters to follow the example of our beloved prophet(may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) in His sayings and actions. Ameen

[safdl]

Yes i think this is what the Sufi Sheikhs try and instil into the traveller, by prescribing a few tasbeehs there heart is cleansed and they learn to have the word of Allah on their tongues frequently.

I have been told to do the tablighi dhikr,

100 times Laa ilaha illallah
100 times istighfar
100 times 3rd kalimah Subhanallah Walhumdulillah.......
100 times durood

All of the above 2 times a day morning and evening. Ideally all at once, or as when working etc...

[safdl]

Some of the sufis of deoband, i say deoband because thats the only school i have little knowledge about mastered this technique called Paas Anfas,

Basically controlling your breathing in the way that your heart upon breaths will recite Allah Hu, or Hu Allah, or even Allah only....

One sheikh called Maulana Maseeullah Sherwani mastered this to the extent that when he would rest the people close to him could hear a sound coming out of his chest. He only past away 10 odd years ago so people are still alive who heard the dhikr.

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as salaamu alaykum,

I heard os this akhi from the book by waseehullah khan in his (path of perfection) and I have tried it a few times and have experience radiant joy and pleasure in do it, however I have found that this is supposedly an innovation. The Nabi salalahu alayhi wa salam nor the sahabah radiallahu anhum were reported to have done it, but all that we need for purification is found in the Kitab and the sunnah with nothing whatsoever left out. Plus it was a hard thing to understand what "Hu" actually is. Some say it is Huwa with a waqf over it. Others just simply said that it was a "Secret". We should be careful of things like this.

When i hear of the adhkar of the naqshbandi mujadidi concerning Muraqabah, where in their tariqa they sit and reflect upon their heart calling out "Allah Allah" etc.. this may bring one peace but I think it is better for one to sit and recite the authentic adhkar.

Let me know what you think my brother.

wasalaam

[Student_of_Knowledge]

Some of the sufis of deoband, i say deoband because thats the only school i have little knowledge about mastered this technique called Paas Anfas,

Basically controlling your breathing in the way that your heart upon breaths will recite Allah Hu, or Hu Allah, or even Allah only....

One sheikh called Maulana Maseeullah Sherwani mastered this to the extent that when he would rest the people close to him could hear a sound coming out of his chest. He only past away 10 odd years ago so people are still alive who heard the dhikr.

SalamOLaikum,

Its not deobandi but Naqshbandi and it is agreed upon by scholars that it should neither be considered Sunnah nor done with the Intention of Sunnah, rather used as a tool. However, erroneously many consider this “exercise (specific word mentioned in the Maktoobat and by many scholars)” a Sunnah. The remembrance of Allah itself is off course Sunnah and that should be the intention but not the method.

The objective is to remember Allah at every possible opportunity and this “exercise” lets you get to it. Those who are in the habit of making Dhikr habitually like those described in many posts above are not in need of it and those who are not, need to start somewhere.

For details of Pas-Anfaas read Maktoobat, the word in persian means "Guarding Breath".

[safdl]

Well posted student of knowledge...........i couldnt have put it better myself

its not a sunnah nor is there any compulsory labels attached to it. Iv read this in Haji Imdadullahs book (the spiritual guide for deobandis) and nowhere does it say its sunnah or even preferred, it just gets a few lines with regards to types of dhikr and its the same in Path to Perfection, with Maulana Maseeullah being Maulana Thanvis successor nor has he mentioned its sunnah, again in his book he relates a few benefits and a short paragraph to explain what it is.

Those who think it is sunnah are extremists and misguided sufis and again those people who label people who use this practice as bidah are also misguided. (but lets not go there)

its merely a practice of dhikr, and there are literally loads and loads of them.

I merely mentioned it as it relates to Sh Bin Baz constantly having the word of Allah on his tongue, in a similar light anyone who has mastered Paas Anfas also has Allahs word but in his heart and not toungue.

[safdl]

When i hear of the adhkar of the naqshbandi mujadidi concerning Muraqabah, where in their tariqa they sit and reflect upon their heart calling out "Allah Allah" etc.. this may bring one peace but I think it is better for one to sit and recite the authentic adhkar.

Let me know what you think my brother.

wasalaam

reflecting on the heart is muraqaba, your post regarding junaid baghdadi r.a is quoting muraqaba. I dont know if they call out to Allah, rather i think they contemplate Allahs mercy (rahmat) showering in their heart. But they fix their attention only to Allah. Again this is not compulsory, nor have i heard anyone attach a sunnah tag with it, its merely something which the sufis found to be beneficial in self reformation/cleansing the heart.

[Saifur Rahman Al Afghani]

actually, i was listening to one of his fatwas on islamway... as he listened to the question being asked, you could hear him quietly repeating "Subhanallah, Subhanallah..." until it was time for him to answer
:(

['Abd al-Kareem]

Basically controlling your breathing in the way that your heart upon breaths will recite Allah Hu, or Hu Allah, or even Allah only....

One sheikh called Maulana Maseeullah Sherwani mastered this to the extent that when he would rest the people close to him could hear a sound coming out of his chest. He only past away 10 odd years ago so people are still alive who heard the dhikr.

Those who think it is sunnah are extremists and misguided sufis and again those people who label people who use this practice as bidah are also misguided. (but lets not go there)

Yes, let's not. Don't ruin this perfectly good thread about the SUNNAH tasbeeh which actually has a basis in this Deen. If you wish to post about bid'ah breathing techniques then at least don't do it in here.

Resting and your heart is making dhikr so loudly people can hear it....

Breathing in a special way so your heart recites dhikr...

What on earth?!

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as salaamu alaykum,

interesting post student of knowledge and safdl. The reason why I stopped doing it was because it is a "religious innovation". I understand that Deobandis do not consider it a sunnah. And to be fair i will quote Mawlana Yunus Patel's discussion with me concerning Tasawwuf and adhkar:



Bismihi Ta'ala

As Salaamu alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh

Jazakallah for the duas, unfortunately many people in the line of Tasawwuf and Tazkiyah are ignorant of the Quran and Sunnah and have made bayat and sulook a money making scheme. Many such bogus peers or mentors are actually taking people towards shirk and bida’at. However the Mashaikh of Haq, their guidance is based on the Quraan and Sunnah. They make it very clear that there are verses of the Quraan Sharief encouraging zikr and many ahadith to this effect. As far as method is concerned it is neither sunnat, wajib or farz. It is dependent on the experience of the Mashaikh. It is just like our Madaris and Islamic Universities where there is a prescribed courses and examination, graduations, etc. which did not exist in the time of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and his Sahaba (radhiyallahu annhum). One the same site you will find the talk ‘Tasawwuf Made Easy’ an explanation of Tasawwuf and Azkaar in our times. The whole purpose is tazkiyah, which word is used in the Quraan and Hadith.




Jazak-Allah and Was-Salaamu alaikum wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakaatuhu

YUNUS PATEL (Maulana)


I just thought that if someone introduces a religious act to aid one in drawing closer to Allaah (like this technique) then it is regarded as rejected because the Sunnah way is simple and the most effective way that any person no matter how weak may act upon. I understand your point safdl that people have to start somewhere but the Prophet salalahu alayhi wa salam has explained everything that we need no matter if we are the lowest of low. We do not need to innovate anything.

I have tried the technique above and like i said i would enjoy it because the "focusing" with the breath causes the brainwaves to change and the vibrational forces in your body to be very radiant which gives a since of aliveness (where you feel as if you can feel all of your cells being alive) which is a nice state but I thought if im doing this as a means to get closer to Allaah then it will be rejected because this act is not found in the sunnah.

Allaahu knows best

wasalaam

[safdl]

Yes, let's not. Don't ruin this perfectly good thread about the SUNNAH tasbeeh which actually has a basis in this Deen. If you wish to post about bid'ah breathing techniques then at least don't do it in here.

Resting and your heart is making dhikr so loudly people can hear it....

Breathing in a special way so your heart recites dhikr...

What on earth?!

Resting the heart and making loud dhikr?? i didnt say that did i :-)

Yes absolutely....that was my first intention let not bicker about sunnah and not sunnah, myself and madarij were discussing something spcific to a type of dhikr.........

Can you please present some hadith to me with regards to saying subhanallah during eating, talking walking, basically at all times whilst one is awake?

I promise its not to start an argument, but merely to ascertain whether a practice like the one of Sh Bin Baz occured during the time of the Sahaba R.A and the Prophet SAW

['Abd al-Kareem]

One sheikh called Maulana Maseeullah Sherwani mastered this to the extent that when he would rest the people close to him could hear a sound coming out of his chest. He only past away 10 odd years ago so people are still alive who heard the dhikr.In my book, if people can hear a sound coming out of your chest when you're resting, it's safe to call said noise 'loud.'

My point: SubhanAllah = prescribed dhikr from Qur'an and Sunnah.
Heartbeat breathing techniques making dhikr while resting??? = Question marks, indeed.

[safdl]

In my book, if people can hear a sound coming out of your chest when you're resting, it's safe to call said noise 'loud.'

My point: SubhanAllah = prescribed dhikr from Qur'an and Sunnah.
Heartbeat breathing techniques making dhikr while resting??? = Question marks, indeed.

ants make noise too though, is that a loud noise?

also the example of the sheikh was of resting, the technique doesnt stipulate resting, once someone has mastered it, its his day to day life in the remembrance of Allah, only difference is Sh Bin Baz is from tongue and the other person from heart.

where does it say that subhanAllah is to be recited all day at all times other than sleeping? even between morsels when eating? according to your own principles thats bidah isnt it? pls show me a hadith as i for one want to believe what your saying, but the allegation needs to be backed up first

Also if the dhikr was changed in Paas Anfaas to Allah only and not Allah Hu or even to SubhanAllah then thats sunnah is it? because dhikr is remembrance of Allah, and there is such a thing in Islam about Qalb, its not all tongue....

People pray in their hearts all the time.

[safdl]

I just thought that if someone introduces a religious act to aid one in drawing closer to Allaah (like this technique) then it is regarded as rejected because the Sunnah way is simple and the most effective way that any person no matter how weak may act upon. I understand your point safdl that people have to start somewhere but the Prophet salalahu alayhi wa salam has explained everything that we need no matter if we are the lowest of low. We do not need to innovate anything.

I have tried the technique above and like i said i would enjoy it because the "focusing" with the breath causes the brainwaves to change and the vibrational forces in your body to be very radiant which gives a since of aliveness (where you feel as if you can feel all of your cells being alive) which is a nice state but I thought if im doing this as a means to get closer to Allaah then it will be rejected because this act is not found in the sunnah.

Allaahu knows best

wasalaam

I heard from a big tassawuf sheikh from india that all the efforts that sufis (the guided sufis) do is for one reason only....to gain the favour of Allah/to please Allah.......

Have you not heard that story about on the day of reckoning where our deeds will be weighed, and we fall short, may Allah save us!!!! may Allah save us!!! may Allah save us!!! if we fall short wont we think i wish i would have spent all my time worshipping Allah...will we not cry and plead when the abode of hell is fixed for us that please send us back to the world??

Have you not heard the people of old whos lives were over a few hundred yrs old that when learning of our Prophet SAWs ummah they said that they would live under a tree and pass the 60-70 years in ibadah.

the people who get their rewards of jannah...they will think that if only i spent more time worshipping Allah...i would have got even more...

think of the fear that if it all goes wrong what then, wont you wish you spent all the time in dhikr when you see the reward the dhakireen get??

There is X amount of nafil salah in a day that man can pray, if someone has free time and exceeds that count does he count as being in a bidah category?

anyway this is detracting from the thread, and this post is for madarij only. so i humbly request others not to reply.

madarij this is a futile argument that any just man will know doesnt make sense to argue over, the ones that want to do it continue and the ones that dont want to dont make dhikr all the time.

May Allah give Sh Bin Baz the reward and give us hidaya to do dhikr as much as he did.

[Abdullah Abbas]

Assalamu alaykum

When he was speaking about "yaqadha", and about learning from righteous people, he spoke about shaikh Ibn Baz rahimahu Allah, and said that he has seen it with his own eyes, when the shaikh is eating, shewing his food he would stop during his shewing to say tashbih and dhikr.

the way you and others describe him with ''stories'' seem so contradictive compared to his evil unislamic fatawaa , i am not attacking him or anyone now but its just a thing i ve noticed.

[anam]

Unislamic fatwa doesn't neccesarily affect one's ibadah

['Abd al-Kareem]

Safdl you fail to address my point.

Saying subhanAllah = Prescribed in Sunnah.
Making dhikr abundantly = Prescribed in Sunnah.

Remembering Allah in your heart = Prescribed in Sunnah.
Remembering Allah in your heart at all times = If you can do it, that's great.
Remembering Allah in your heart so loudly that other people can hear it???? = Is there a jinn inside of you playing a practical joke, or did your heart grow lips?

I quote you:
to the extent that when he would rest the people close to him could hear a sound coming out of his chest.

When you remember Allah 'azza wa jall in your heart, people can't hear it!!!

[safdl]

i think his heart grew lips,

your are soo contradictory its unreal, but that just proves it worthless replying to your posts.

Remembering Allah in your heart at all times = If you can do it, that's great.

the above is your quote, so what your saying is that its ok as long as a sound is not emitted? but you said earlier its a bidah to remember Allah at all times?? especially in your heart as per paas anfas.

Also where is the proof about doing dhikr all the time? and saying subhanallah more than 33 times?

[abu hafs]

the above is your quote, so what your saying is that its ok as long as a sound is not emitted? but you said earlier its a bidah to remember Allah at all times?? especially in your heart as per paas anfas.
No, He is saying that heart emiting a sound is not known from the Sunnah nor is it something common that Muslims know.
I am sure hundreds of greater Imams than the above mentioned shaykh has lived among the Muslims, but heart emiting the sound is not something they have mentioned nor done as a form of dhikr

That is as elaborate as I can be

[safdl]

ok this is getting confusing...

when i said that one would hear the words Allah from his heart it was in the scope of a blessing given to him from Allah. Its not normal to have sounds coming out of your heart. But the Paas Anfas dhikr he used to do must be a benefactor of what state he reached.

With regards to stuff people are experiencing after the time of the Prophet and Ashab there are many many examples in the books of the great ones where you will find examples, this is just a sound, if you search further (not sufi scholars) generally across the whole medium you will find many many karamats associated with the Ahlullah not necessarily from the indo pak.

So the dhikr is literally having the word of Allah in your breathe, so not a moment passes when you are not in remembrance with Allah. Its not sunnah and nobody ever said it to be, same way there is no sunnah of reciting Subhanallah more than 33 times, at least im not aware of one but the honourable Sh Bin Baz was constant in his dhikr all the time even between morsuls, and again there is no sunnah stating thats a practice from the Prophet or the Sahabis. If there is please show me and ill take it back.

I still hold him in the highest esteem, may Allah clean the hearts of those who show emnity against him.

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as salaamu alaykum,

You have noble manners Safdl may Allaah make you sincere in your travel to him ameeen. I wouldnt have a problem with that sound because it could be a karama the only thing as you already know that i disagree is using the method of contemplating Allaah on the inbreath and on the out breath the pronoun (he). You do have a good point though that perhaps there is no specific report about the Nabi salalahu alayhi wa salam or the Sahabah radiallahu anhum making tasbih between morsels of food.

wasalaam

[Abu Zubair al afghani]

So the dhikr is literally having the word of Allah in your breathe, so not a moment passes when you are not in remembrance with Allah. Its not sunnah and nobody ever said it to be,

If what you mean by ''word of Allah in your breathe'' saying subhanAllah, alhamdulillah etc then yeah that is dhikr and sunnah, but if you mean by that saying ''Allah'' ''Allah'' then that not dhikr nor is it sunnah rather its bid'ah.

same way there is no sunnah of reciting Subhanallah more than 33 times, at least im not aware of one but the honourable Sh Bin Baz was constant in his dhikr all the time even between morsuls, and again there is no sunnah stating thats a practice from the Prophet or the Sahabis. If there is please show me and ill take it back.


[يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ اذْكُرُواْ اللَّهَ ذِكْراً كَثِيراً - وَسَبِّحُوهُ بُكْرَةً وَأَصِيلاً

(41. O you who believe! Remember Allah with much remembrance.) (42. And glorify His praises morning and Asila.)

Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, commented on the Ayah:


[اذْكُرُواْ اللَّهَ ذِكْراً كَثِيراً]


(Remember Allah with much remembrance. ) "Allah did not enjoin any duty upon His servants without setting known limits and accepting the excuses of those who have a valid excuse -- apart from Dhikr, for Allah has not set any limits for it, and no one has any excuse for not remembering Allah unless he is oppressed and forced to neglect it.


Imam Ahmad recorded that `Abdullah bin Busr said: "Two bedouins came to the Messenger of Allah and one of them said: `O Messenger of Allah, which of the people is best' He said:


«مَنْ طَالَ عُمْرُهُ وَحَسُنَ عَمَلُه»


(The one whose life is long and whose deeds are good.) The other one said: `O Messenger of Allah, the laws of Islam are too much for us. Teach me something that I can adhere to.' He said,


«لَايَزَالُ لِسَانُكَ رَطْبًا بِذِكْرِ اللهِ تَعَالَى»


(Keep your tongue moist with the remembrance of Allah, may He be exalted.) At-Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah recorded the second part of this report. At-Tirmidhi said, "This Hadith is Hasan Gharib''

[abumuwahid]

I still hold him in the highest esteem, may Allah clean the hearts of those who show emnity against him.

What are you saying here safdl. That whoever was against bin baz had a dirty heart. I think you maybe expressed yourself incorrectly. Allahu Alam.

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as salaamu alaykum,

nice post akhi abu zubayr al-afghaanee. Inshaallah when i get time ill type up what is in Purification of the Soul by Zarabozo concerning proper dhikr.

[Student_of_Knowledge]

ok this is getting confusing...

when i said that one would hear the words Allah from his heart it was in the scope of a blessing given to him from Allah. Its not normal to have sounds coming out of your heart. But the Paas Anfas dhikr he used to do must be a benefactor of what state he reached.

With regards to stuff people are experiencing after the time of the Prophet and Ashab there are many many examples in the books of the great ones where you will find examples, this is just a sound, if you search further (not sufi scholars) generally across the whole medium you will find many many karamats associated with the Ahlullah not necessarily from the indo pak.

So the dhikr is literally having the word of Allah in your breathe, so not a moment passes when you are not in remembrance with Allah. Its not sunnah and nobody ever said it to be, same way there is no sunnah of reciting Subhanallah more than 33 times, at least im not aware of one but the honourable Sh Bin Baz was constant in his dhikr all the time even between morsuls, and again there is no sunnah stating thats a practice from the Prophet or the Sahabis. If there is please show me and ill take it back.

I still hold him in the highest esteem, may Allah clean the hearts of those who show emnity against him.

Yes it is getting slightly confusing. The sound coming from the heart may be an uncontrollable act e.g. some people twitch, some people move their hands in a certain way. Tears come in people eyes when mention the name of Allah which is beyond their control. A deliberate action of making an internal sound while making Tasbeeh cannot be regarded as Sunnah. There is nothing in the Sunnah about making deliberate sounds while making Dhikr.

I know people who cry profusely and loudly when listening to the Quraan and it is beyond their control.

[safdl]

If what you mean by ''word of Allah in your breathe'' saying subhanAllah, alhamdulillah etc then yeah that is dhikr and sunnah, but if you mean by that saying ''Allah'' ''Allah'' then that not dhikr nor is it sunnah rather its bid'ah.




[يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ اذْكُرُواْ اللَّهَ ذِكْراً كَثِيراً - وَسَبِّحُوهُ بُكْرَةً وَأَصِيلاً

(41. O you who believe! Remember Allah with much remembrance.) (42. And glorify His praises morning and Asila.)

Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, commented on the Ayah:


[اذْكُرُواْ اللَّهَ ذِكْراً كَثِيراً]


(Remember Allah with much remembrance. ) "Allah did not enjoin any duty upon His servants without setting known limits and accepting the excuses of those who have a valid excuse -- apart from Dhikr, for Allah has not set any limits for it, and no one has any excuse for not remembering Allah unless he is oppressed and forced to neglect it.


Imam Ahmad recorded that `Abdullah bin Busr said: "Two bedouins came to the Messenger of Allah and one of them said: `O Messenger of Allah, which of the people is best' He said:


«مَنْ طَالَ عُمْرُهُ وَحَسُنَ عَمَلُه»


(The one whose life is long and whose deeds are good.) The other one said: `O Messenger of Allah, the laws of Islam are too much for us. Teach me something that I can adhere to.' He said,


«لَايَزَالُ لِسَانُكَ رَطْبًا بِذِكْرِ اللهِ تَعَالَى»


(Keep your tongue moist with the remembrance of Allah, may He be exalted.) At-Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah recorded the second part of this report. At-Tirmidhi said, "This Hadith is Hasan Gharib''


If what you mean by ''word of Allah in your breathe'' saying subhanAllah, alhamdulillah etc then yeah that is dhikr and sunnah, but if you mean by that saying ''Allah'' ''Allah'' then that not dhikr nor is it sunnah rather its bid'ah.

Is it bidah to say Allah?

Its AllahHu in paas anfas, (that can also be the starting bit of Ayatul Kursi) or HuAllah, thats also the last parts of a quranic surah, 3 Hu Allahs there is. HuAllahullazi laa ilaa ha illa hu.......

Madarij -in the interest of keeping everyone Happy....replace Allah with Subhanallah, or Alhumdolillah, or any name of Allah and use the the paas anfaas technique if you so desire. The technique has many benefits, it reminds one of how many breathes we take during the day, how many wasteful moments pass without Allah in our thought and minds...so establish the technique change the wird as per the excellent post in my quote there is nothing wrong in it.

[Abu Zubair al afghani]

Is it bidah to say Allah?

Doing Dhikr is an 'Ibaadah, and 'Ibaadah must have two conditions to be accepted by Allah,

1. It has to be purely for the sake of Allah,

2. It has to be According to the Sunnah of Rasoolullah Sallallahu 'alyhe wasallam.

Any act of worship which is not sincerely for the sake of Allah is riyaa', likewise any act which is not according to the sunnah and the person does it hoping the reward from Allah is Bid'ah.

So can you please bring us evidence from the Qur'an or Sunnah or any of the scholars of Ahl as Sunnah wal Jama'ah that saying ''Allahu'' ''Allahu'' is a form of dhikr.


Its AllahHu in paas anfas, (that can also be the starting bit of Ayatul Kursi) or HuAllah, thats also the last parts of a quranic surah, 3 Hu Allahs there is. HuAllahullazi laa ilaa ha illa hu.......

Reciting Ayat al Kursi or Surat al Ikhlaas, Falaq, Naas etc are recommended acts, but we are not talking about reciting Qur'an are we,

here are some fatwa regarding this:



Remembering Allaah by repeating a single name such as “Allaah”
Using the names of Allah as Dhikr counts as Bid’ah or counting on fingers or beats? & using the names of Allah as for the specific benefit counts as Bid’ah?


Praise be to Allaah.

With regard to the ruling on the masbahah (“prayer beads”), this had already been discussed in Question no. 3009.

With regard to remembering Allaah by saying a single name such as “Allaah” repeatedly, this is not narrated in sharee’ah, and there is no proof for that from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or from any of his companions. If it was something good they would have done it before us.

All goodness is in following those who came before us, and all evil is in the innovations of those who came later.

The Standing Committee was asked about someone who remembers Allaah by saying “Ya Lateef” repeatedly.

They replied:

That is not permissible because it was not narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Rather it was proven that he said: “Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours (i.e., Islam) that is not part of it, will have it rejected.” According to another version: “Whoever does any action that is not part of this matter of ours will have it rejected.”

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 2/379

With regard to the questioner saying that they say, “Hu, Hu, Hu” – those people are adding to their bid’ah because they are calling Allaah by a word by which He did not call Himself. “Hu” is not one of the names of Allaah.

See Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 2/185

And Allaah knows best.


Islam Q&A

here is a more detailed answer:


ذكر الله بالاسم المفرد "الله" أو بضمير "هو" من بدع الصوفية






السؤال:
هل يحرم ترديد لفظ الجلالة (الله) أو أحد أسمائه سبحانه كنوع من الذكر؟ نحن نعلم أن " أستغفر الله - سبحان الله - الحمد لله …" جائزة .

الجواب:
الحمد لله

لا شك في بدعية ذكر الله تعالى باسمه المفرد - الله - وأشد منه ذكره باسمه المضمر - هو - ، قال شيخ الإسلام ابن تيمية رحمه الله :

وأما الاسم المفرد مظهراً أو مضمراً : فليس بكلام تام ، ولا جملة مفيدة ، ولا يتعلق به إيمان ولا كفر ولا أمر ولا نهي ولم يذكر ذلك أحدٌ مِن سلف الأمة ، ولا شَرعَ ذلك رسولُ الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ، ولا يعطي القلب بنفسه معرفة مفيدة ، ولا حالاً نافعاً ، وإنما يعطيه تصوراً مطلقاً لا يُحكم عليه بنفي ولا إثبات فإن لم يقترن به من معرفة القلب وحاله ما يفيد بنفسه وإلا لم يكن فيه فائدة ، والشريعة إنما تشرع من الأذكار ما يفيد بنفسه لا ما تكون الفائدة حاصلة بغيره .

وقد وقع بعض من واظب على هذا الذكر في فنونٍ مِن الإلحاد ، وأنواع مِن الاتحاد كما قد بسط في غير هذا الموضع .

وما يُذكر عن بعض الشيوخ مِن أنه قال : أخاف أن أموت بين النفي والإثبات ! : حالٌ لا يُقتدى فيها بصاحبها فإن في ذلك من الغلط ما لا خفاء به ، إذ لو مات العبد في هذه الحال لم يمت إلا على ما قصده ونواه إذ الأعمال بالنيات ، وقد ثبت أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم أمر بتلقين الميت لا إله إلا اله الله ، وقال : " مَن كان آخر كلامه لا إله إلا الله دخل الجنة " ، ولو كان ما ذكره محذوراً لم يلقَّن الميت كلمة يخاف أن يموت في أثنائها موتاً غير محمودٍ بل كان يلقَّن ما اختاره من ذكر الاسم المفرد .

والذكر بالاسم المضمر المفرد أبعد عن السنَّة ، وأدخل في البدعة ، وأقرب إلى إضلال الشيطان ، فإن من قال " يا هو يا هو " أو " هو هو " ونحو ذلك : لم يكن الضمير عائداً إلا إلى ما يصوِّره قلبُه ، والقلب قد يهتدي وقد يضل ….

ثم كثيراً ما يَذكر بعض الشيوخ أنه يحتج على قول القائل " الله " بقوله { قل الله ثم ذرهم } ويظن أن الله أمر نبيَّه بأن يقول الاسم المفرد ، وهذا غلط باتفاق أهل العلم فإن قوله { قل الله } معناه : الله الذي أنزل الكتاب الذي جاء به موسى وهو جواب لقوله { قل مَن أنزل الكتاب الذي جاء به موسى نوراً وهدى للناس تجعلونه قراطيس تبدونها وتخفون كثيراً وعُلِّمتم ما لم تعلموا أنتم ولا آباؤكم قل الله } أي : الله الذي أنزل الكتاب الذي جاء به موسى ، ردَّ بذلك قول من قال " ما أنزل الله على بشر من شيء " فقال : من أنزل الكتاب الذي جاء به موسى ؟ ثم قال : قل الله أنزله ثم ذر هؤلاء المكذبين في خوضهم يلعبون .

ومما يبين ما تقدم ما ذكره سيبويه وغيره من أئمة النحو أن العرب يحكون بالقول ما كان كلاما لا يحكون به ما كان قولاً فالقول لا يحكى به إلا كلام تام أو جملة اسمية أو فعلية ولهذا يكسرون " أن " إذا جاءت بعد القول فالقول لا يحكى به اسم والله تعالى لا يأمر أحداً بذكر اسم مفرد ولا شرع للمسلمين اسماً مفرداً مجرداً ، والاسم المجرد لا يفيد الإيمان باتفاق أهل الإسلام ولا يؤمر به في شيء من العبادات ولا في شيء من المخاطبات . " مجموع الفتاوى " ( 10 / 226 - 229 ) .

وقال - رحمه الله - أيضاً :

فأما الاسم المفرد مظهرا مثل " الله ، الله " أو مضمراً مثل " هو ، هو " : فهذا ليس بمشروع في كتاب ولا سنَّة ولا هو مأثور أيضاً عن أحد مِن سلف الأمة ولا عن أعيان الأمة المقتدى بهم وإنما لهج به قوم من ضلال المتأخرين .

وربما اتبعوا فيه حالَ شيخ مغلوب فيه مثلما يروى عن الشبلي أنه كان يقول " الله ، الله " فقيل له : لم لا تقول لا إله إلا الله ؟ فقال : أخاف أن أموت بين النفي والإثبات ! .

وهذه مِن زلات الشبلي التي تُغفر له لصدق إيمانه وقوة وجْده وغلبة الحال عليه ؛ فإنه كان ربما يجنُّ ، ويُذهب به إلى المارستان ، ويَحلق لحيته ، وله أشياء من هذا النمط التي لا يجوز الاقتداء به فيها وإن كان معذوراً أو مأجوراً فإن العبد لو أراد أن يقول لا إله إلا الله ومات قبل كمالها لم يضره ذلك شيئاً إذ الأعمال بالنيات بل يكتب له ما نواه .

وربما غلا بعضهم في ذلك حتى يجعلوا ذكر الاسم المفرد للخاصة ، وذكر الكلمة التامة للعامة ، وربما قال بعضهم " لا إله إلا الله " للمؤمنين ، و " الله " للعارفين ، و " هو " للمحققين ، وربما اقتصر أحدهم في خلوته أو في جماعته على " الله الله الله " ، أو على " هو " ، أو " يا هو " ، أو " لا هو إلا هو " ! .

وربما ذكر بعض المصنفين في الطريق تعظيم ذلك واستدل عليه تارة بوجد ، وتارة برأي ، وتارة بنقل مكذوب كما يروي بعضهم أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لقَّن عليَّ بن أبى طالب أن يقول " الله الله الله " فقالها النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ثلاثا ، ثم أمَر عليّاً فقالها ثلاثا ، وهذا حديث موضوع باتفاق أهل العلم بالحديث .

وإنما كان تلقين النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم للذكر المأثور عنه ، ورأس الذكر لا إله إلا الله ، وهي الكلمة التي عرضها على عمِّه أبي طالب حين الموت ، وقال : " يا عم قل لا إله إلا الله كلمة أحاج لك بها عند الله " وقال : " إني لأعلم كلمة لا يقولها عبدٌ عند الموت إلا وجد روحه لها روحاً " ، وقال : " مَن كان آخر كلامه لا إله إلا الله دخل الجنة " ، وقال : " مَن مات وهو يعلم أن لا إله إلا الله دخل الجنة " ، وقال " أُمرت أن أقاتل الناس حتى يشهدوا أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمَّداً رسول الله فإذا فعلوا ذلك عصموا مني دماءهم وأموالهم إلا بحقها وحسابهم على الله " ، والأحاديث كثيرة في هذا المعنى . " مجموع الفتاوى " ( 10 / 556 - 558 ) .

ومن جعل مرجعه الكتاب والسنة في عبادته لم يعجز في معرفة الصواب والخطأ ، نسأل الله أن يردنا إلى دينه ردّاً جميلاً . والله أعلم .


الإسلام سؤال وجواب
الشيخ محمد صالح المنجد (www.islam-qa.com)

['Abd al-Kareem]

As for what ibn Baaz (rahimahullah) did, such as saying Subhan Allah between morsels of food and while the questioner is asking him a question...how on earth is this bid'ah?

Brother Abu Zubair al-afghani mentioned the Ayah: (يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ اذْكُرُواْ اللَّهَ ذِكْراً كَثِيراً - وَسَبِّحُوهُ بُكْرَةً وَأَصِيلاً ),

Also there are many other Ayaat in that regard, "Sabbih bihamdi Rubbika" comes more than once in al-Qur'an as we all know.

Further, there are many ahaadith such as the following:

He (صلى الله عليه وسلم) would remember Allah much, and would not engage in vain talk, and would elongate his prayer, and would shorten his speeches, and he did not consider himself great enough that he would not walk with the widow, the poor, and the slave until he fulfilled their needs. - #5005, Sahih al-Jami’ as-Sagheer

And of course the famous hadith "keep your tongue moist with the dhikr of Allah."

And others...

It is beyond ridiculous to compare someone saying Subhan Allah while eating to a claim of someone having a heart that made dhikr loud enough for people to hear. Are you j-o-k-i-n-g?? Making dhikr (the regular way...) is encouraged in Qur'an and Sunnah and there is no limit with regard to the amount. The hadith of keeping your tongue moist is one such proof of this, although there are probably many, many others.

Brother Madarijas-Salikeen, you are above being swayed (even slightly) by such nonsense.
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As for the bid'ah 'dhikr' of saying Allahu a million times, or breathing in breathing out in special techniques to make it sound like you are saying stuff, and other such forms of innovation, if there was any good in this stuff it would have been narrated in the Sunnah. There are tons of Sahih adhkaar to say; if one were to attempt to implement each and every single one, he would be making dhikr pretty much all day long, from the second he opens his eyes (literally), to right before he closes them at night.

Once you have memorized and implemented all the Sahih adhkaar in your daily life, and you feel uncompleted and unsatisfied and wish to try new things, then come back and tell us about this problem of yours.

I will not waste my time piling up sins by inventing forms of dhikr. Rather my time and breath is better used making the adhkaar narrated from the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم), and they are enough for me alhamdulillah.

[safdl]

me neither, me and madarij and generally others have had a contructive debate, to you be your way and i be mine as what i say doesnt make sense to you and what you say doesnt make sense to me.

by the way you dont need to respond to this post, you have made yourself crystal clear.

[safdl]

Doing Dhikr is an 'Ibaadah, and 'Ibaadah must have two conditions to be accepted by Allah,

1. It has to be purely for the sake of Allah,

2. It has to be According to the Sunnah of Rasoolullah Sallallahu 'alyhe wasallam.

Any act of worship which is not sincerely for the sake of Allah is riyaa', likewise any act which is not according to the sunnah and the person does it hoping the reward from Allah is Bid'ah.

So can you please bring us evidence from the Qur'an or Sunnah or any of the scholars of Ahl as Sunnah wal Jama'ah that saying ''Allahu'' ''Allahu'' is a form of dhikr.



Reciting Ayat al Kursi or Surat al Ikhlaas, Falaq, Naas etc are recommended acts, but we are not talking about reciting Qur'an are we,

here are some fatwa regarding this:



here is a more detailed answer:

obviously sheikh saleh isnt the only scholar in the world....?? and his opinion isnt final. There are plenty of sheikhs/scholars in the world who hold different opinions.

this reminds me off the amulet thread, ibn qayyim reckoned they were permissible, though sheikh salih uthaymeen held the opinion they were not permissible, (this is only an example) now if i was to favour the opinion of amulets im hardly likely to bring forward sheikh salihs fatawa am i??

c'mon at least think about these things before you bring forward fatawas. If i bring one forward that says contrary that doesnt mean that sheikh salih is wrong, rather it means there is a difference of opinion.

[Abu Zubair al afghani]

obviously sheikh saleh isnt the only scholar in the world....?? and his opinion isnt final. There are plenty of sheikhs/scholars in the world who hold different opinions.

it wasnt only sh. Munajjid rather it included Sheilh al Islam Ibn Taymiyyah and Lijna ad Daima commitee


this reminds me off the amulet thread, ibn qayyim reckoned they were permissible, though sheikh salih uthaymeen held the opinion they were not permissible, (this is only an example) now if i was to favour the opinion of amulets im hardly likely to bring forward sheikh salihs fatawa am i??


yea because those scholars who allowed it relied their opinion upon evidence, but where is the evidence from Qur'an and Sunnah for what you are saying.

[anam]

The evidence comes from their forefathers and desires alike- but for the mathabees sufis and others this is normal because one must blindly follow and not cause fitnah like the wahabis who are to strict with islam

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as salaamu alaykum,

Like is said ikhwan i did before used to perform it. Now I do not anymore due to doubts of its authenticity. I can say I experienced deep states of bliss while doing it but I know that means nothing because even a buddhist and hindu experience what they perceive and feel as intense joy and peace. I do like to sit quietly though and make dhikr silently or sometimes on the tongue like (La illaha illallah) for a long period of time. I dont find this haram. This subject needs deeper study Allaahu alam.

Here is a conversation over at sunniforum http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33337

Again let me make it clear that im not condoning the technique or any other breathing technique with dhikr. Im just look at different aspects and views.

We can inshaallah all be polite with eachother and base our criticism with arguments from kitab and sunnah. If something contradicts it we should all agree to reject it. Sometimes though we think that something contradicts it whereas it does not. So let us see. Perhaps we all may increase in faith because of this.

wasalaam

[safdl]

doesnt matter about the tone, its normal here

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=287204&postcount=33

how does this work?? pls explain.....


also am i wrong but isnt their a hadith that states that the prophet saw's wudhu didnt break whilst sleeping? because although it may appear as he is sleeping his heart is always awake in Allahs remembrance. Now i may be wrong on this so im hoping someone could clarify this one up for me.

p.s there is literally 5 or 10 pages of fatawas on the allowing of paas anfas, so again same way you can produce proofs so can others.

[Milk Shaykh]

Aslaaam Alaikum,

Does anyone have a web link to the Sheikhs treatise on prayer? Jzk in advance.

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

The following is a number of questions that were posed to Ustadh Mufti Mahmud Ashraf 'Uthmani and his subsequent reply:

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Q4:

A) In the -------- silsila, zikr of Allah is prescribed through the use of one’s breath.

B) The individuals of this particular silsila assert that they meet the Prophet (s) and other deceased elders. What is your opinion regarding them and their claims?

C) Should one join a sufi order [that emphasizes the above-mentioned techniques]?

A4:

A) The method of zikr you mention is called paas e anfaas. If it is not considered sunnah nor meriting more reward, nor does one think ill of one who does not adopt such a method, then there is no harm in it. It is unfortunate, however, that many saliks go to extremes in such matters. What happens is that their shaikh prescribes for them a particular method of zikr knowing that such a method is most beneficial for him, but eventually the salik begins to think that that method of zikr is the purpose of his efforts. He then begins to propagate his particular method alone, looking down upon other methods of zikr and thinking that those who perform them are deprived.

To make matters worse, such individuals (based upon lack of true knowledge) begin thinking that their method of zikr is sunnah and admonish others for not adopting it. This type of immoderation is no doubt an innovation and against the principles of the shari'ah. In such circumstances, one should avoid such methods. This is why today’s authentic and muhaqqiq mashayikh do not normally support or encourage paas e anfaas and if they ever do prescribe such methods to their followers, due to necessity, it is rare and restricted to a few individuals.

B) It is indeed possible for souls to meet by means of dreams and mukashifah , but such meetings and communication are neither a part of mujahida nor are they an end or objective in tasawwuf.

C) This depends upon the inclination of each individual and what he hopes to achieve through tasawwuf.