What's up with Arabs and these bizarre oaths?

[Ibn Adam]

There's the one I heard about when a man came to Imam Malik and said that he told his wife "If you're not more beautiful than the moon then you're divorced!" He wanted to know if he was now divorced or not. Imam Malik ruled that he was but Imam al-Shafi'i stopped him on the way out and presented an ayah to Imam Malik as evidence that she was in fact more beautiful than the moon.

Then there's a similar one I heard in a lecture by Salim Morgan, where a man had come across a drunk trying to swallow the moon and had said that "If drinking isn't the biggest sin then my wife is divorced!" This case was put to Imam Malik to adjudicate who ruled that he'd looked into the Qur'an and Sunnah and didn't find a sin (not including shirk) greater than riba'.

Then today I read this on Suhaib Webb's site (http://thetranslators.wordpress.com/2007/05/17/a-voice-for-the-majority-ust-suhaib-webb/):

Once, while I was sitting with some muftis a young man came in. He said, “Sheikh my father has sworn an oath and I must know if he is obligated to fulfill it?” The Sheikh nodded. “You see Shaikh, my father swore that he would make the ritual animal slaughter of my mother if I went to visit my uncle! Well, Sheikh, I did! Does he have to do it sheikh?!” The Sheikh smiled and said to me, “Did you understand his question.” Then he started to chuckle and said, “No. No my son he does not have to slaughter your mother al-humdulillah!” Then he gave him the ruling. Mashallah, I was really touched by his mercy and honesty with this very simple man. Even then, with that man, the Sheikh made clear the proofs and how that man’s father should atone for his oath.

Why do people make these kind of oaths?
And why does it always seem to involve the wife in some capacity?

Can't people just say things like "If x,y,z then I'll not eat Smarties for a week"

[Abuz Zubair]

Yes... if you read the chapter on divorce, you'll begin to scratch your head and think: Do people really say that?!

[JayshAllah]

hahahahahahahahaha

[waziri]

There's the one I heard about when a man came to Imam Malik and said that he told his wife "If you're not more beautiful than the moon then you're divorced!" He wanted to know if he was now divorced or not. Imam Malik ruled that he was but Imam al-Shafi'i stopped him on the way out and presented an ayah to Imam Malik as evidence that she was in fact more beautiful than the moon.

Imam Shafi (ra)came some time after Imam Malik(ra)did he not?

[Abu_Abdillah2000]

Al-Imam ash-Shafi'i was one of the greatest (if not THE greatest) of al-Imam Malik's students.

[waziri]

Al-Imam ash-Shafi'i was one of the greatest (if not THE greatest) of al-Imam Malik's students.

JazakAllah khair akhi I thought Imam Shafi was born after imam Malik died thanks for informing me.

wasalam

[salafi brother]

Al-Imam ash-Shafi'i was one of the greatest (if not THE greatest) of al-Imam Malik's students.

Salaamu `Alaykum

Actually, he was so great, that a Scholar from among the heads of the Malikee scholars of egypt in that time, his name was Ash-hab Ibn Abdul-`Azeez, he used to ask Allaah to bring death upon Imaam ash-Shaafi`ee, he used to say, "Allaahummah Amit Ash-Shaafi`ee, Hattaa laa Yath-haba `Ilmu Maalik", wal `Iyathu Billaah, this can be found in Shaykh Abu Ishaaq al-Huwaynee's lecture, "Usool al-Radd `Ala al-Mukhalifeen"


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[Abu_Abdillah2000]

Subhanallah, even in that time madhhab fanaticism was beginning to appear.

[ykhan]

Subhanallah, even in that time madhhab fanaticism was beginning to appear.

As salaamu alaykum ikhwaan,

From the Saheeh collections, the sahaabah like abu bakr and Umar used to say to the Messenger:

"may my mother and father be sacrificed for you".

And when he was suprised, the Meesenger used to say:

"May your mother be bereaved of you".

Up until today, even though I understand the meanings and usage of the Arab expressions, they still sounds strange to me but there you go.

I wonder what the Sahaabah would make of modern day expressions like " word up dog " and " are you feeling me ? "

They would probably get the palm fibers ready...!!!

[Fajr]

Actually, he was so great, that a Scholar from among the heads of the Malikee scholars of egypt in that time, his name was Ash-hab Ibn Abdul-`Azeez, he used to ask Allaah to bring death upon Imaam ash-Shaafi`ee
Is that why in the Diwaan, al-Shaafi'ee wrote the following poem:

تمنى رجال أن أموت ، وإن أمت *** فتلك سبيـل لـست فيها بأوحــد
وما موت من قد مات قبلي بضائر *** ولا عيش من قد عاش بعدي بمخلد
لعل الذي يرجـو فنـائي ويدّعي *** به قبل موتـي أن يكون هو الردى

Men wish that I die, and if I die
Then that is a path in which I’m not alone
And death for the one who has died, brings no injury
And life for the one who lives after me is not eternal
And perhaps the one who hopes for my demise and calls for it before my death,
Perhaps he is indeed the one destroyed

[Farhan]

Then today I read this on Suhaib Webb's site (http://thetranslators.wordpress.com/2007/05/17/a-voice-for-the-majority-ust-suhaib-webb/):

I only found out about his site once you had linked it here, I enjoyed a few of his posts on there, but today it says "The author has deleted this blog"!

[Ibn Adam]

Again!

That's the second time he's deleted a blog.

I remember one of his posts recently talking about a new Web[b] site, so maybe the deletion is a precursosr to a new site getting launched.

[Abuz Zubair]

how comes?

[knowrass]

in shaa Allaah if he has a new blog up and running, please share the link.

[waziri]

As salaamu alaykum ikhwaan,

From the Saheeh collections, the sahaabah like abu bakr and Umar used to say to the Messenger:

"may my mother and father be sacrificed for you".

And when he was suprised, the Meesenger used to say:

"May your mother be bereaved of you".

Up until today, even though I understand the meanings and usage of the Arab expressions, they still sounds strange to me but there you go.

I wonder what the Sahaabah would make of modern day expressions like " word up dog " and " are you feeling me ? "

They would probably get the palm fibers ready...!!!


I like the saying of Umar ibn Katab (Allah is pleased with him) when he was going to perform hijrah and he announced it to the makkans at the kaba

"May your faces be slapped and may your noses be dragged through the dirt"



wasalam

[ykhan]

I like the saying of Umar ibn Katab (Allah is pleased with him) when he was going to perform hijrah and he announced it to the makkans at the kaba

"May your faces be slapped and may your noses be dragged through the dirt"



wasalam

ha ha........!

That's great..

'Aaisha was just a brave too..!

[justabro]

how comes?

http://shaukani.wordpress.com/2007/05/17/asalaamu-alaikum-i-bid-you-all-farewell-it-has-been-nice/

[gag order]

their curses are as bizarre as their oaths..

[Abu Maryam PK]

their curses are as bizarre as their oaths..
Adds richness to the language for me.
If you come here in Dhahraan, KSA, with alot of Egyptians , you will be ammused to see their chit chat.
Aish Launuk (what is is your colour: how are you)
Hugie (mine)
ma ya'teenal wajh (he is ignoring me)
kullu tamaam (all ok?)
Even words are bing formed
rumaiti (my room mate)
zumughrafi (zameelu ghurfati: my room mate)
lainaat (plural of line, meaning student dorms)
orya (orientation)
and to top it all
jims (meaning GMC truck)

[Ibn Adam]

You can't blame the Egyptians for hugie though, it's the Saudis that have changed the Qaf into a 'g', the Egyptians just mauled the Jeem.

I even hear the Saudis with their own Arablish/Engbic. There's a shaykh I heard, Ibrahim Ziyat, discussing the excesses of the love of wealth and he start listing things "al-falusat, al-sayarat, al-bluetoothat..."

[Abu Maryam PK]

Yeah the Egyptians replace qaf by alim. They dont say qalb, they say 'alb. I was at a mall recently when an egyptian cornered me about some sale he had to offer. Since my wife is rather impressed with my arabic conversational (she cant speak much herself), she asked me what it was all about. I said i just understood 50%. Egyptian accent is hard to follow. Atleast for me. But arguably they are the most vocal of all arabs i have come across. Some brothers from Syria had the same opinion.

I heard sheikh munajjid at his wednesday lecture at ibn baaz masjid in daana. He actually translated al-bloothooth to "alsin alazraq". He also had a lecture named "alrasaail alqaseerah" (sms). Its good we are keeping our language alive this way. Guess what is the term for "wind tunnel"? Alnafakh alhawai.

[Fajr]

Does anyone know why Shaami's in general call money 'masaara' - does it really have something to do with Egyptians?

rumaiti (my room mate)
lainaat (plural of line, meaning student dorms)"al-falusat, al-sayarat, al-bluetoothat..." Those were funny. But I think most of us are guilty of this no? Whenever I can't recall a word in our language (not arabic), I use the english and add a couple of letters at the end. Parents and relatives have catched on now.

[Abu_Abdillah2000]

I heard this one a while ago, how do you like it:

"in shaa' Allaah, sawfa naltaqee fee haadha'l-weekend."

(It seems there's no word in Arabic for weekend! Allahu a'lam.)

[Yasir]

(It seems there's no word in Arabic for weekend! Allahu a'lam.)Nihayah al-usbu’ is used... but then different countries have different working days.

[Abu Maryam PK]

This was narrated to me by by brother Muhammad Abdillah Zahrani
A mother called a student here and enquired about his zameel (room mate). He said "rumait alal jabal" (room mate is on the mountain(we call the academic block jabal, as it is on a raised ground) ) . She asked "laish rumaitahu alal jabal? " . (why did u throw him on the mountain)

[Abu Maryam PK]

Scientifically speaking
'ilmul fesia(Physics)
shabakah ankabootiah (lit. spider's web: internet)
Alfaarah (mouse)
dug (click)
dug alay (give me missed call)
raneen (jingles)
jawwal (cell fone)
bitaaqa zakiyya (smart card for opening labs)
mukhtabar (lab)
tahleel (analysis)
qism al tahakkum wal anzimah (department of systems and control)
al aerodynamikia (aerodynamics)
jazar (root, as in square root)
I remember another cool one
ali baba kabeer (big theif)
seeda (straight....good old urdu)
maa fi mukh (sense less)

[Ibn Adam]

Suhaib Webb's new blog address is http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/

[Fajr]

Scientifically speaking
'ilmul fesia(Physics)
shabakah ankabootiah (lit. spider's web: internet)
Alfaarah (mouse)
dug (click)
dug alay (give me missed call)
raneen (jingles)
jawwal (cell fone)
bitaaqa zakiyya (smart card for opening labs)
mukhtabar (lab)
tahleel (analysis)
qism al tahakkum wal anzimah (department of systems and control)
al aerodynamikia (aerodynamics)
jazar (root, as in square root)
I remember another cool one
ali baba kabeer (big theif)
seeda (straight....good old urdu)
maa fi mukh (sense less)

Whatever happened to 'shabaka dawlia'?

[Farhan]

Question: I have a bad habit of making oaths all the time in my speech, especially when I am disciplining my children. I am always saying things like: “I swear to God, that if you do that again, I’m going to punish you.” I know it is a bad habit. Am I sinning? Do I have to pay some expiation for not fulfilling all of the oaths that I make when I speak?

Answered by Sheikh Ahmad al-Khalîl, professor at al-Imâm University, Qasîm Branch
If you utter these oath as a habit of speech, without intending them as oaths, then this is takes the ruling of a meaningless oath. It is not binding on you, and there is no expiation upon you for not carrying it out.

Allah says: “Allah will not take you to task for that which is unintentional in your oaths, but He will call you to account for what your hearts have earned, and Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 225]

If you truly and firmly meant it as an oath when you said it, then it is a binding oath and will require you to expiate for breaking it if you decide not to carry it through.

However, from what you say in your question, it is apparent that you are not making binding oaths, but merely uttering these words as a habit of speech. It is a bad habit that many parents have when they are disciplining or scolding their children.

At the same time, you really should try to get rid of this bad habit, and cut down on punctuating your speech with oaths.

Remember that Allah says: “And make not Allah, by your oaths, a hindrance to your being righteous and observing your duty unto Him and making peace among mankind. Allah is Hearer, Knower.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 224]

And Allah knows best.

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