READ THIS BOOK.. it will open your eyes..

[mika]

Hi,

Just read the book "Infidel" by Ms Ayaan Hirsi Ali.All muslins should read this book, this woman is simply a true hero!

This book is written by a very brave person, and the book "Infidel" should be a part of young people’s school reading.

Ms Ayaan Hirsi Ali takes responsibility for her life, and dare to stand up for what she believe in despite murder threats from beautiful peace loving Islam.

READ it dear people.. you deserve it.

BR
Mika

[mm12]

Hi,

Just read the book "Infidel" by Ms Ayaan Hirsi Ali.All muslins should read this book, this woman is simply a true hero!

This book is written by a very brave person, and the book "Infidel" should be a part of young people’s school reading.

Ms Ayaan Hirsi Ali takes responsibility for her life, and dare to stand up for what she believe in despite murder threats from beautiful peace loving Islam.

READ it dear people.. you deserve it.

BR
Mika


Just read the Qur'an, the commands of God. All humans should read this book.

This divine book should be a part of young people's school reading.

Take responsibility for your afterlife, dare to reject your unbelieving ways, and join beautiful Islam.

READ it oh unbeliever. You deserve it ;)

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

Hi,

Just read the book "Infidel" by Ms Ayaan Hirsi Ali.All muslins should read this book, this woman is simply a true hero!

This book is written by a very brave person, and the book "Infidel" should be a part of young people’s school reading.

Ms Ayaan Hirsi Ali takes responsibility for her life, and dare to stand up for what she believe in despite murder threats from beautiful peace loving Islam.

READ it dear people.. you deserve it.

BR
Mika

So I should read a book by some attention publicity monger who lied to get into to Holland (Marijuanaland)? I'll pass.

[Intoodeep]

theres nothing brave about a murtad pandering to the base emotions of xenophobic europeans.

If she wants tell her to be really brave and challenge the muslims to live debates! Ahl sunnah have no fear and nothing to fear.

[ykhan]

So I should read a book by some attention whoring publicity monger who lied to get into to Holland (Marijuanaland)? I'll pass.

PS. Theo deserved it.

Why did her own government sack her.............Oh yeah, I remember SHE LIED ON HER IMMIGRATION APPLICATION........!

So why isn't she being deported.................oh yeah, I remember why. If you are calling FOR Islam you get deported. If you are calling AGAINST Islam you automatically get called an Islamic "commentator" and get a book deal..........!!!

Welcome to the new world order............!

[Umm Ahmed]

Mika welcome back , we missed you!!

I can see you have been really busy learning about Islaam , but wait you didn't go read a book by a muslim but by someone who is anti muslim.

[Abu_Abdallah]

Hi,

Just read the book "Infidel" by Ms Ayaan Hirsi Ali.All muslins should read this book, this woman is simply a true hero!

This book is written by a very brave person, and the book "Infidel" should be a part of young people’s school reading.

Ms Ayaan Hirsi Ali takes responsibility for her life, and dare to stand up for what she believe in despite murder threats from beautiful peace loving Islam.

READ it dear people.. you deserve it.

BR
Mika

So writing the Qur'an on naked woman (real naked: except having a niqab!!!) body and calling the Prophet a pedophile and abusing the Shariah is brave..?

La hawla wa-la quwwata illah billah

[JayshAllah]

Stupid people are stupid.

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

Books like these are easy to refute even by laymen like me. If i can refute it then imagine a student of knowledge, nay rather imagine a scholar. The books would be torn to pieces. These people who write these books dont even have basic knowledge. Their conclusion is based on ignorance from not properly studying the deen.

Allaahu akbar for the Ulama!

[abu_ibrahim]

The best way to become famous is to write a book on Islam and make it controversial. We have seen the Lesbian woman who calls for "Ijtihad" from Canada as well.

[mika]

Hi

It seem that most of you seems not to like this book, why not?

Don't you think that it is good somethimes to question your own belive, to see if it really deserve your loyality, or you just belive because you have been threaten all your life????

Ayaan Hirsi Ali dared leve Islam, and the result is that she now needs 24 hour protection not to be killed be supporters of your devine Allah....

WE NEED MORE Ayaan Hirsi Ali ... who will be the next :)

P.S nice to be back too Umm-Ahmed, have you read "Infidel"?

BR
Mika

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

Ayaan doesn't even know the basics of the Deen and yet feels herself qualified to criticise it. Also, she's repeatedly lied about her life story which is part of the reason she had to leave Holland.

She's another Salmon Rushdie wannabe who wants to be a poster-child for the struggle against religion. That's why I called her an "Attention Whore" and a "Publicity Monger".

[ykhan]

It seem that most of you seems not to like this book, why not?

Don't you think that it is good somethimes to question your own belive, to see if it really deserve your loyality, or you just belive because you have been threaten all your life????

Ayaan Hirsi Ali dared leve Islam, and the result is that she now needs 24 hour protection not to be killed be supporters of your devine Allah....

WE NEED MORE Ayaan Hirsi Ali ... who will be the next :)

P.S nice to be back too Umm-Ahmed, have you read "Infidel"?

BR
Mika[/QUOTE]

Just so you know mika,

Most people on this board CHOSE to be Muslim.

Some of them LEFT other faiths and CHOSE to be Muslim.

When they CHOSE Islam, it was their own christian and atheist families who threatened them and expelled them from their family because they chose Islam, so please get your facts straight mika.

Just to make it clear to mika, can the revert and covert brothers and sisters on this forum please affirm or deny that you were THREATENED or FORCED to become Muslim............?

Thank you for your input insha'Allah.

[Umm Ahmed]

Hi

It seem that most of you seems not to like this book, why not?

Don't you think that it is good somethimes to question your own belive, to see if it really deserve your loyality, or you just belive because you have been threaten all your life????

Ayaan Hirsi Ali dared leve Islam, and the result is that she now needs 24 hour protection not to be killed be supporters of your devine Allah....

WE NEED MORE Ayaan Hirsi Ali ... who will be the next :)

P.S nice to be back too Umm-Ahmed, have you read "Infidel"?

BR
Mika

Why did you read it Mika ? why not read the millions of stories by people who have embraced Islaam ?
I didn't read infidel I have so many of them in my family, may Allaah guide them ameen , no need to buy a book right : )
Take heed Mika.

"Every time a group is cast therein (Hellfire), its keepers will ask: "Did not a warner come to you?"

They will say: "Yes, indeed a warner did come to us, but we denied him and said: 'Allah never sent down anything (of Revelation); you are only in great error."'

And they will say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we would not have been among the dwellers of the blazing Fire!"

Then they will confess their sin. [Qur'aan 67:8-11]

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

Just so you know mika,

Most people on this board CHOSE to be Muslim.

Some of them LEFT other faiths and CHOSE to be Muslim.

When they CHOSE Islam, it was their own christian and atheist families who threatened them and expelled them from their family because they chose Islam, so please get your facts straight mika.

Just to make it clear to mika, can the revert and covert brothers and sisters on this forum please affirm or deny that you were THREATENED or FORCED to become Muslim............?

Thank you for your input insha'Allah.

My family is Christian. I have an uncle who fought in the first Gulf War, and a cousin fighting in the current one. I come from one of the whitest, American backgrounds imaginable and I chose to convert to al-Islaam.

[ykhan]

My family is Christian. I have an uncle who fought in the first Gulf War, and a cousin fighting in the current one. I come from one of the whitest, American backgrounds imaginable and I chose to convert to al-Islaam.

Best decision you ever made brother...!

[ibnYaseen]

Best decision you ever made brother...!

Yes I agree, alhamdulilah

[Skillganon]

READ THIS BOOK.. it will open your eyes

No! No! No! No! Help! My eyes!! It's burning! It's burning! It's burning!

[JayshAllah]

I don't think he (Mika) refuted my argument, which was:

Stupid people are stupid.

[mika]

Hi,

Why am I stipid JayshAllah?


To tawheedullah:

I have no doubht that a lot of people convert to Islam by own free will, but what about those that are born Muslims, and for some reason want to convert to another religion, or just become atheist?
Do you agree that it should be a personel choise to convert and chose your ovn religion in any time of your life?

To Umm-Ahmed:
It is not necessary to read about people that embraced Islaam since these people are proberly happy about their choise
The important thing is to open people for what Islam and it's followers will do to you if you for some reason wants to convert to another religion or just wants to be an atheist, and that is exately what Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book shows you.

br
Mika

[JayshAllah]

Hi,

Why am I stipid JayshAllah?


lol, hilarious.

[Brother_Mujahid]

Yes, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is so "brave" that she joined the American Enterprise Institute. For those of you not familiar with the AEI, it is a radical neoconservative "think tank", filled with the same people that have championed the war against Iraq and other Muslim countries.

Maybe "Mika" can enlighten us as to what is so brave about a person who works for such a organization?

[Intoodeep]

Yes, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is so "brave" that she joined the American Enterprise Institute. For those of you not familiar with the AEI, it is a radical neoconservative "think tank", filled with the same people that have championed the war against Iraq and other Muslim countries.

Maybe "Mika" can enlighten us as to what is so brave about a person who works for such a organization?

So she can have lots of people protecting her life at the same time as she is calling for the destruction of millions of other people's lives. makes total sense :confused:

[gag order]

objective book reviews:

the observer said: "But of course in voicing her opinion in the style she does, she risks lumping together over a billion people from different nations, cultures and traditions as a single 'problem'

the economist echoed this sentiment: stating "much as she tries, the kind of problems that Ms Hirsi Ali describes in Infidel are all too human to be blamed entirely on Islam.

newsweek magazine said: the reader will feel "manipulated" by Hirsi's story and "Hirsi Ali is more a hero among islamophobes than Islamic women."

[Umm Ahmed]

Hi,


To Umm-Ahmed:
It is not necessary to read about people that embraced Islaam since these people are proberly happy about their choise
The important thing is to open people for what Islam and it's followers will do to you if you for some reason wants to convert to another religion or just wants to be an atheist, and that is exately what Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book shows you.

br
Mika

That wasn't my point , dont you think you owe it to yourself to learn about Islaam from those who love it . rather than from those who hate it ?

[mika]

Hi,

Let’s stick to the subject my dear friends.

My point is that Ayaan Hirsi Ali has gone through a HUGE amount of bad "stuff" in the name of Islam, and in the end she decides to leave Islam since she realized it was also Islam and "peace" loving Allah, was the mental fuel for the 9/11 suicides.

REMEMBER THAT THE 9/11 SUICIDE ATTACK WERE DONE IN THE NAME OF ISLAM!
After 9/11, Ayaan Hirsi Ali took responsibility for her oven life, and decided that Allah and Islam didn’t deserve her loyalty, THAT is a brave decision that you should consider too.

So, do you agree that it is OK to leave Islam if you feel that Islam and Allah do not deserve your loyalty?

BR
Mika

[Abu_Abdillah2000]

Mika, go and waste your time somewhere else.

[Ibn Adam]

After 9/11, Ayaan Hirsi Ali took responsibility for her oven life,

That could be construed as sexism. You seem to be insinuating that post 9/11 women should all take responsibility for their oven lives, i.e. stay in the kitchen.

[Abu_Abdillah2000]

That could be construed as sexism. You seem to be insinuating that post 9/11 women should all take responsibility for their oven lives, i.e. stay in the kitchen.

"Her oven life..." Maybe our friend mika is from the subcontinent and writing in "indian english"?;)

[mika]

Hi Ibn Adam and Abu_Abdillah2000,

Ha ha :) :) stupid spelling mistake from my side.

Ofcourse I mean:

After 9/11, Ayaan Hirsi Ali took responsibility for her own life, and decided that Allah and Islam didn’t deserve her loyalty, THAT is a brave decision that you should consider too.

But back to the subject:

So, do you agree that it is OK to leave Islam if you feel that Islam and Allah do not deserve your loyalty?

BR
Mika

[Abu_Abdillah2000]

So, do you agree that it is OK to leave Islam if you feel that Islam and Allah do not deserve your loyalty?

Briefly put: No.

[gag order]

My point is that Ayaan Hirsi Ali has gone through a HUGE amount of bad "stuff" in the name of Islam, perhaps what she suffered or supposedly suffered was in the name of secular african animist culture? and besides her suffering is not important, now that she is bieng rewarded for blaming islam for everything.

in the end she decides to leave Islam since she realized it was also Islam and "peace" loving Allah, was the mental fuel for the 9/11 suicides.US foreign policy was the mental fuel for 9/11, and as the iraq crisis unfolds more and more analysts are owning up to the fact that you reap what you sow

[Umm Ahmed]

,
But back to the subject:

So, do you agree that it is OK to leave Islam if you feel that Islam and Allah do not deserve your loyalty?

BR
Mika

How on earth does Allaah not deserve our loyalty ? Its an inherent quality of a human being to be a slave to something , some are slaves to work , to money, to women , cars whatever , Its only Allaah who deserves our loyalty.

So your an athiest mika ? What is Ayaan now ? why did she provoke others? she must have known that people working with her would have been attacked ? his family should sue her , she's a twisted person .

[Abu_Abdillah2000]

No need to try and argue with the likes of Mika, he or she is just another fan of Ayan Hirsi Ali and Irshad Manji etc. Mika is just one of those people who has nothing better to do than come onto Islamic discussion forums (where he/she knows that his/her ideas are naturally unwelcome) to try and provoke Muslims into getting upset, i.e. Mika probably doesn't really have much else of a purpose in life.

[gag order]

mika 4 islam

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=2948&highlight=mika+4

[ykhan]

mika 4 islam

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=2948&highlight=mika+4

Jazaaka Allahu Khairan akhi.

I guess the only we can do for mika is expose his/her futile logic and misinformed concept of Islam and Muslims.

[mika]

Hi again,

To Umm-Ahmed:

Of course Allah do not deserve your loyalty, simply because he has not performed... so simple is that, when Islam becomes the dominating political and religious factor in society, progress and innovation stops, that’s clear for everyone.

Islam is simply holding you people back, you are given a comfortable "cook book of life" called the Quran that dictate your life from birth to death, and if you comply, you are promised honey and virgins (at least the men are promised virgins, actually what are you women getting out of it?)

If you do not comply, there are countless punishments to whip you back on track.

So Umm-Ahmed, you are basically giving your loyalty to a ideology called Islam, that are so weak, that it have to punish, and in some (or many..) cases, simply kill people if they decide to leave Islam.

Such a weak and brutal ideology does not deserve your loyalty, therefore leave it, which was what Ayan Hirsi Ali dared to do, she found out that Allah simply had failed and that he did not deserve her loyalty any more.

Ayan Hirsi Ali are now exposed to constant death treats from your fellow followers of Allah, don’t you think it is time to follow Ayan Hirsi Ali example?, or are you, and other muslins simply too afraid of the consequences of being haunted the rest of your life…?

Abu_Abdillah2000:
Why is it provokative and wrong to ask questions and disagree with Allah, I think thatit is on time to do so, and really you know what, ifhe is so great, he will proberly not take notice of little me..:) ?

gag order:
Long time no sea..


BR
Mika

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

Allaah (Azza wa Jal) most certainly deserves all of our loyalty, because without Him we would not exist.

"You are in fact in the house of a King (Allah) whose command is far-reaching, whose power is immense, whose army is vast, whose will is effective, whose authority is irresistible, whose kingdom is everlasting, whose sovereignty is enduring, whose knowledge is precise, whose wisdom is profound and whose judgment is just. Not an atom's weight on earth or in heaven eludes Him, nor does the wrong of the wrong-doer escape His notice. You are the biggest wrong-doer and the worst offender, because you have set up a partner to Him (Almighty and Glorious is He) by your self-willed behavior in dealing with yourself and His creation. Allah (Exalted is He) has said:

Ascribe no partners to Allah; ascribing partners to Him is a tremendous wrong. (31:13)

He also says (Exalted is He):

Allah does not forgive that any partner be ascribed to Him; less than that He forgives to whom He will. (4:116)

Be very wary of associating anything with Allah; do not come anywhere near it. Avoid it in all your behavior, both active and passive, by night and day, in private and in public. Beware of disobedience altogether, in your limbs and organs as well as in your heart. Abandon all sin, both outwardly and inwardly. Do not run away from Him (Almighty and Glorious is He), for He will overtake you. Do not quarrel with Him over His decision; He will demolish you. Do not question the wisdom of His judgment; He will put you to shame. Do not treat Him negligently; He will bring you to your senses and put you to the test. Do not start innovations in His house; He will destroy you. Do not speak of His religion to suit your own whim; He will ruin you and darken your heart, rob you of your faith and understanding, and make you subject to your devil, your lower self, your passions and desires, your family, your neighbors, your companions, your friends and all the rest of His creatures, even your domestic scorpions, snakes, jinn and other vermin. Thus He will upset your life in this world and prolong your punishment in the hereafter."

Sultan al-Awliya Abdul-Qadir al-Jilani -Futuh al-Ghaib, 23rd discourse

[mika]

Hi tawheedullah,

Allaah (Azza wa Jal) most certainly deserves all of our loyalty, because without Him we would not exist.

Well tawheedullah thats is just a statement that I cannot disprove, on the other hand you cannot prove it.

BR
Mika

[gag order]

Such a weak and brutal ideology does not deserve your loyalty, therefore leave it

well its nice to know you care but dont worry about us...

[Brother_Mujahid]

Hi,

Let’s stick to the subject my dear friends.

My point is that Ayaan Hirsi Ali has gone through a HUGE amount of bad "stuff" in the name of Islam, and in the end she decides to leave Islam since she realized it was also Islam and "peace" loving Allah, was the mental fuel for the 9/11 suicides.

REMEMBER THAT THE 9/11 SUICIDE ATTACK WERE DONE IN THE NAME OF ISLAM!
After 9/11, Ayaan Hirsi Ali took responsibility for her oven life, and decided that Allah and Islam didn’t deserve her loyalty, THAT is a brave decision that you should consider too.

So, do you agree that it is OK to leave Islam if you feel that Islam and Allah do not deserve your loyalty?

BR
Mika

And what name were the bombings of Vietnam, Panama, Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan, and Laos done in?

I still fail to see bravery in the actions of Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She lied about her past, so why should we believe anything she says? Furthermore she is part of an organization devoted to bombing and invading innocent nations. This is brave?

Do you believe it is brave to reject Western ideologies of Christianity, democracy, secularism, and liberalism? After all, these were the "mental fuel" for the bombing and oppression of countless nations: Angola, Congo (Zaire), Vietnam, Cambodia, Lebanon, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Iraq, Panama, Cuba, Afghanistan, etc.

[Umm Ahmed]

Hi again,

To Umm-Ahmed:

Of course Allah do not deserve your loyalty, simply because he has not performed... so simple is that, when Islam becomes the dominating political and religious factor in society, progress and innovation stops, that’s clear for everyone.

Islam is simply holding you people back, you are given a comfortable "cook book of life" called the Quran that dictate your life from birth to death, and if you comply, you are promised honey and virgins (at least the men are promised virgins, actually what are you women getting out of it?)

If you do not comply, there are countless punishments to whip you back on track.

So Umm-Ahmed, you are basically giving your loyalty to a ideology called Islam, that are so weak, that it have to punish, and in some (or many..) cases, simply kill people if they decide to leave Islam.

Such a weak and brutal ideology does not deserve your loyalty, therefore leave it, which was what Ayan Hirsi Ali dared to do, she found out that Allah simply had failed and that he did not deserve her loyalty any more.

Ayan Hirsi Ali are now exposed to constant death treats from your fellow followers of Allah, don’t you think it is time to follow Ayan Hirsi Ali example?, or are you, and other muslins simply too afraid of the consequences of being haunted the rest of your life…?
BR
Mika

Everyone has a set of beliefs, I dont know what yours are as you keep evading my question are you an athiest ? There is a God you only need to look at the intricate movements of your forefinger and thumb , or read in the Quran the details on embrology which will flatten your insults about the Quran to dust.
Your calling Islaam a weak and brutal ideology, is only from your ignorance of Islaam in which you are to be pitied more than anything else.
The nature of man dictates that he is happy doing certain things as we women are also happy doing certain things so we will all be rewarded for doing good in this life , good = reward , bad= punishment , simple life really .

Islaam does not forbid science , progress thats just your ignorance speaking ( pitiful) how are we conversing mika ? isn't a computer technology ? or do you think we sit around a campfire sending smoke signals to each other ?



You found the time to read a trashy novel, you can find the time to lift yourself out of ignorance and read , you can start with the following .
http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/dyktb.html