View Full Version : Bin Baz's fatwa about US troops ?
JayshAllah
29th May 2007, 08:31 PM
I haven't been able to find a good explanation of this. I'm sorry if I am re-hashing old things. Can someone point me in the right direction?
Fi Aman Allah.
waziri
29th May 2007, 08:37 PM
It was a Mistake, may Allah forgive him and us aaaameeeen.
Ibn Adam
29th May 2007, 09:17 PM
Abuz Zubair said this here (http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showpost.php?p=2276&postcount=3):
As for Sh Ibn Baz allowing the American troops in the Arabian Peninsula, then it is just a matter of Fiqhi dispute. Ibn Qudamah is of the opinion, and it is the correct position in the Hanbali Madhab, that it is permissible for the ruler to seek help from the Mushrikin against Mushrikin in case of necessity. His Fatwa was about nothing but the Fiqhi ruling.
This is why he wasn’t criticised by Sh Safar and others on the ruling of seeking aid from the Mushrikin itself. Rather, he was criticised for his inaccurate view on the status quo of the Middle East and the American agenda behind stationing its troops in the Gulf.
It was never a matter of Kufr and Iman, the way some people have made it out to be. On the other hand, Sheikh al-Albani was extremely critical of Sh Ibn Baz’s view and he was so outspoken that I think, his views caused him to be banned from entering Saudi again. Moreover, Sh Ibn Baz wasn’t the only scholar to have signed the Fatwa, rather it was also the great Deobandi Indian scholar Abul-Hasan al-Nadawi.
Hence, the Fatwa wasn’t a big issue in terms of its Fiqhi nature, but it was problematic with respect to its application in reality, which greatly varied from people to people as to how they viewed American hidden agendas, and at what length they thought the Americans would go, and whether inviting the Americans along with their agendas is a greater harm than letting Saddam roll his tanks into Arabia and crushing the Dawah with full force.
JayshAllah
30th May 2007, 02:16 AM
Does anybody have the exact fatwa word for word? Can you post it here? In English?
Was the fatwa specifically about Americans, or was it about Mushrikeen in general?
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