The "Good Innovation and Bad Innovation" Concept

[ibnYaseen]

I am sure most of you have come across people holding this concept, mainly sufi's, ashari's such as nuh keller, murad, h yusuf, etc and many modernists, who believe that there are good bid'ahs and bad bid'ahs -- is there a refutation available for this concept and perhaps a detailed understanding of where they source this false notion from?

(This is also the concept that most legalise milad an-nabi through.)

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

What's funny is, you never see them call ANYTHING bad bidah.

[aburasheed]

There are scholars from ahlus Sunnah that divides the bidaah into different categories eg: as-Suyuti, an-Nawawi, Ibn Hajar etc.. But their categorization includes the literal meaning of "bidaah" which is anything new. The bidaah that is warned by the Prophet (SAW) is related to the deen, as stated in these hadith:
"Whoever introduces into our matter that which is not a part of it, will have it rejected."
Related by Al-Bukhari & Muslim

"Whoever commits an act which is not a part of our matter (religion), will have it rejected."
Related by Muslim

So bidaah have to be religious in nature. So that excludes computers, car, airplanes, electricity, etc. Which they usually use as examples of "good" bidaah.

I like the lecture from Jamaludin Zarabozo:
http://audioislam.com/?subcategory=Innovations

and also Yasir Qadhi's Farewell Advice of the Prophet.

[gag order]

What's funny is, you never see them call ANYTHING bad bidah.
well observed!

[JayshAllah]

Yes, I'd love to see an indepth refutation of this as well, especially the examples they use such as Taraweeh prayer (although I know the answer to this particular accusation), etc.

[Skillganon]

Here is a good article on it:

Innovation in Light of the Perfection of the Shari'ah
by Shaykh Muhammad ibn Sâlih al-'Uthaymîn

link: http://www.islaam.net/main/display.php?id=699&category=19

[TN_Cat]

AS-salamu alaykum,

"Good bid'ah" LOL!!!!!!!

How does a person come to the conclusion about what is bid'ah and what is not? The Prophet (sallahu alayhe wassalam) said it is important to sharpen one's archery skills.
I like shooting my bow so can I attribute this to being part of my deen? I have been told the answer is "no". But how do we figure these things out?

wassalam,

[salafi brother]

Yes, I'd love to see an indepth refutation of this as well, especially the examples they use such as Taraweeh prayer (although I know the answer to this particular accusation), etc.

Salaamu `Alaykum

How do we respond to that? I've heard some people say this and I thought it made sense

let me know

[Umm Ahmed]

The taraweeh prayer was an act that was performed and sanctioned by the Phrophet (saw) so how could it be called an innovation.

[aburasheed]

Salaamu `Alaykum

How do we respond to that? I've heard some people say this and I thought it made sense

let me know
A couple of different ways to answer this:
1) Hadith of Irbad Ibn Sariyah, Rasulullah prescribe the solution of ikhtilaf:
"You must then follow my sunnah and that of the rightly-guided caliphs." [Abu Dawood]
2) Rasulullah did pray taraweeh in congregation, but they did not do it after his death because of the muslims at that time was busy in jihad. In the time of Umar they resume the "good" bidaah. It wasn't a bidaah in the first place since the prophet did it a couple of times.

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=65572&ln=eng

[aburasheed]

AS-salamu alaykum,

"Good bid'ah" LOL!!!!!!!

How does a person come to the conclusion about what is bid'ah and what is not? The Prophet (sallahu alayhe wassalam) said it is important to sharpen one's archery skills.
I like shooting my bow so can I attribute this to being part of my deen? I have been told the answer is "no". But how do we figure these things out?

wassalam,
Don't get confuse with mubah deeds that can become ibadah and ibadah that is prescribed in Quran and Sunnah. Any mubah deeds can become an ibadah if done with good intention, the term bidaah cannot apply here. On the other hand any ibadah prescribed in the Quran and Sunnah will only be accepted if a) correct intention b) according to sunnah.