Cool Londonistan

[Abuz Zubair]

Interpret it however you may :)

[Abuz Zubair]

And plz let us know what impression you get from this.

[MosDef]

Is it from the BNP website?

[Abuz Zubair]

I made it... to see the different impressions ppl get from this.

[abu_ibrahim]

Isn't that a name of the book as well written by a zionist journalist melanie phillips?

[Abuz Zubair]

really? I didn't know.

[MosDef]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41EBXQF2AAL._SS500_.jpg

Abu Hamza looks the part. :)

[waziri]

I can see why someone might think its to do with the bnp.

Maybe trying to get people to think that muslims are overtakng the capital.

[MosDef]

Br. Waziri yes it's something the BNP would be happy to see. It would suit their agenda perfectly.

[Abuz Zubair]

Well.. I am trying to give a message...

how do you interpret that message?

[Abandoned-Mind]

Message... "It ain't gonna work".. "Mojo idealism"....

is what I get

[Abuz Zubair]

well... nice try, but this is not the message I intended. next

[Niqaabis]

Interpret it however you may :)


You used the words Londistan over the union jack which makes me think of a Pakistani Britain with a hint of English (because of the classical English font/style of writing)

So I interpret it to be Pakistanis taking over Britain

[Abul-Fadl]

interpretation : " all minority world cup team here we come!"

[Abuz Zubair]

Pakistan?!?! What made you think of that?

Pak isn't the only country with 'istan' in it. There is Uzbek, Tajik, Afghan etc... they all have 'istan'. But, 'istan' in West has become a symbol for Islam.

Anyway... your conclusion isn't accurate.

And the same goes for you Abul-Fadl :)

[Abul-Fadl]

oh ok i got it now.

"its cool to say im british" like how way less people than some years ago are ashamed to actually admit they have lost connections with the motherland, and are in fact just as or even more british than dave the postman.

[Niqaabis]

Pakistan?!?! What made you think of that?

Pak isn't the only country with 'istan' in it. There is Uzbek, Tajik, Afghan etc... they all have 'istan'. But, 'istan' in West has become a symbol for Islam.




Well I had heard someone once say Bradistan referring to Bradford so I assumed that they called it that because Bradford is a bit like a mini Pakistan

I didn’t realize that 'istan' is the symbol for islaam in the west

Maa shaa Allaah..

[waziri]

Anyway... your conclusion isn't accurate.

:)

I dont think there is any one accurate answer, everyone will interpret in a way they see as being correct.

So what you intended maybe what it means to you but not what it means or not what others make of it.

[Abuz Zubair]

oh ok i got it now.

"its cool to say im british" like how way less people than some years ago are ashamed to actually admit they have lost connections with the motherland, and are in fact just as or even more british than dave the postman.
erm... not exactly...

I dont think there is any one accurate answer, everyone will interpret in a way they see as being correct.

I guess this makes it a good work of art!

So what you intended maybe what it means to you but not what it means or not what others make of it.

This is why I find it interesting to see how different people look at one picture yet think so differently.

[gag order]

is this connected to the cultural phenomenon of 'cool brittania' of which multiculturalism is an intergral part of?

[Brother_Mujahid]

I think what Abuz-Zubayr is trying to get at is the "coolness" of people like Umar Bakri and the other stereotypical representatives in the press of "Londonistan".

http://timesnews.typepad.com/news/images/bakri.jpg

Quite trendy, don't you think?

[Abuz Zubair]

kind of... but a lot closer than others!

[Abuz Zubair]

pot-bellies are anything but cool, brother :)

[MosDef]

Anything to do with the fact that 81% of British Muslims feel:

Muslim First, British Second. Cant remember where i heard this. Also something about the youth wanting Shariah in London/Britain...?

[Abuz Zubair]

kind of but not quite.

[Abu Jalfrezi]

I dont know the first impression i get is of white racists cause of the union jack, the cool londonistan means nothing to me, the font is not really good and it dosnt stand out.

[Abu GG]

Britain is well cool, we can be british and retain our pakiness in it too. Thats why its just way too cool... so cool that we dnt even hafta change the flag. js write 'cool londonistan' on top

[MosDef]

Is the "Pakiness" a must then? :) Let it be...

Maybe the initial image was a cry for photoshop help?

[Skillganon]

You used the words Londistan over the union jack which makes me think of a Pakistani Britain with a hint of English (because of the classical English font/style of writing)

So I interpret it to be Pakistanis taking over Britain

Well I had similar thought in mind.

You mostly likely see some freshy dude waving that Flag around.
Hint of Pakistan in it, with the "istan" on the end.

No offence bro Abuz zubair but to go & make a flag like that is no way cool. :cool:
Just don't make a hobby out of it. :D

[Burning Candle]

Let me throw my lot in

I think it symbolizes the 'in thing' these days on 2 different levels:

1. From the viewpoint of the media: the Islamicization of Western society,symbolized by London and the Union Jack. It is scaremongering and giving us far more credit than we deserve - talk about shariah finance in mainstream banks, niqabs in court, eid in trafalgar square, etc as well as it being viewed, rightly or wrongly, as the heart of the jihad movement have resulted in Londonistan.

2. From the viewpoint of Muslim youth: It is cool now to be a Muslim as it was in the past to be a gangsta rapper or don your suit and pretend youre part of the mafia. The war on terror has ironically brought many of our youth back to Islam if only because they initially see it as a rebelliosu identity. Therefore it is "cool".

Am I close or have i just wasted the last few minutes waffling nonsensically?

[Abuz Zubair]

Burning Candle, a lot closer than others!

[Umm]

That the British public/govt feel that British Muslims are accomodated for more than other ethnic minorities. And that London is coming under siege from "British Al-Qaeedah" radicals.

[Abuz Zubair]

Nope..... quite the opposite

[Yasir]

Can it be taken to mean: The growth of Islam and development of Muslim communities in Britain does not necessarily mean that it cannot exist in harmony with traditional British values, and contribute to its progression in the future?

(Btw, I think something like this would be good in the 'Have Your Say' section on the homepage. It would be interesting to see how this image and others are interpreted by non-Muslims readers).

[gag order]

'londonistan' a term used to describe their fears of what britian is becoming is celebrated by you in declaring it 'cool'

[Abuz Zubair]

Yasir and gag_order, this is the closest the two of you have got to my idea...

[Ummatun Wasata]

Asalaamu 'alaikum,

A call for integration, it does not matter where you are originally from except Britain as your home and hold the values of the indigenous people. Your beliefs are personal to you and should not impact the wider society. Be British and proud, it’s cool.

Allahu-Alim

[Abuz Zubair]

Not at all... God forbid! :)

[Ummatun Wasata]

Sorry, I forgot your the one who designed it.

[umm emman]

uzbekistan,
pakistan,
afghanistan,
turkmenstan,
Tajikistan,
Kazakhstan,
Kyrgyzstan
Turkestan

AND NOW WE HAVE LONDONISTAN....:D

[AkramUKConv]

This one...

http://i4.tinypic.com/6gwinfo.jpg

[hearandobey]

can abuz zubair finally tell us what is the meaning behind the picture?

[Umm]

can abuz zubair finally tell us what is the meaning behind the picture?

Yes, it's been ages!

[abu~Adil as somali]

i cnt beliv he still hasnt told us yet...i forgot this thread and thought he did...abu zubair come out from wher ever u hiding and tell us what u had in mind when designed cool londistan flag..

[AnonyMousey]

My interpretation:

It's cool to be Muslim in England.

[nomad]

To use that font it makes me think of def leopard or some heavy metal group, maybe a cd cover of their new handbanging noise? Singing about satans desire to take over virgin records and Yusef Islam is fighting satan so thets all make magic and stick out our tongues like snakes?