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JayshAllah
6th July 2007, 12:05 AM
Sahih Muslim

Book 005, Number 2286:

Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a slirah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practise" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13).


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Can someone please explain this Hadith?

How can we prove to Orientalists and Shia that this has nothing to do with Tahreef but rather this is about abrogation?

What are some good arguments and explanations for this Hadith?

Thanks.

Abuz Zubair
6th July 2007, 12:48 AM
There are three types of abrogations:

a) Abrogation of recitation but not the ruling

b) Abrogation of the ruling but not the recitation

c) Abrogation of both, the ruling and the recitation

I am sure others here can help further explain, inshaaAllah

Um Abdullah M.
6th July 2007, 08:43 AM
you can post your question in Multaqa ahl al hadeeth, you might get some answers there too.
the link to the forum is in my signature.

JayshAllah
9th July 2007, 05:21 AM
I'm afraid you didn't understand my question. I'm already familiar with abrogation. I am simply seeking proof to convince a Shia or Non-Muslim that this Hadith cannot be about Tahreef but rather it is about abrogation.

Never mind, I guess I'm looking for something very specific and I'm not able to convey in words what I want.

Um Abdullah M.
9th July 2007, 09:02 AM
I remember reading somewhere that shia don't believe in abrogation?
if that is true
then you can't convince them that it is abrogation because they dont' believe in it.
except that you can bring evidence from Quran that there is such a thing as abrogation in Islam.
the ayah in surat al Baqarah:106