Harry Potter

[nomad]

Assalamu alaykum,

I hate Harry Potter, just for the fact that its whole story is about magic and stupid imaginary things, (and i ve never read any of it). I will not allow any of my children to read or see the films of Harry Potter and have been told that its a bit OTT of me , as its just amusement etc.

what are your views on this, and would or do you allow your children to read, or do you yourself read these novels?

salams nomad

[umm emman]

my sister is crazy about it and shes like 27... my bros like it 2 so do their kidz... i think its rubbish.. id never let my children watch that nonsence..

[Mansoor Ali]

Harry Potter is being promoted to condition people into accepting Satan worship

Part One

In Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, we find usage of the occult number '11':

Harry was eleven (11) when he was admitted to Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. The number eleven is considered sacred to the occultist, as it is the first primary number. Occultists will also add up numbers to get an occult number that is sacred; thus, I was highly interested when the bank vault maintained for Harry by his Mom and Dad before their death was numbered '713' [p. 73]. When you add '7 + 1 + 3 = 11'. Then, we learn that, in the money of the Fantasy Reality, "twenty-nine Knuts to a Sickle". When you add 2 + 9 = 11.

When Harry found the wand that was meant for him, it turned out to be 11 inches long [p. 84]

The Hogwarts Express Train left at 11 o'clock from Platform Nine and Three-Quarters. [p. 91]

In Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, we find the following usage of the number '11':

a. Eleven (11) -- Primary number to the occultist. Harry was admitted to Hogwarts School on his 11th birthday, thus ending his most terrible existence in the Muggles world.

b. Thirty-three (33) -- Triple intensification of 11. One of the most important numbers to the occultist. In this story, when Harry's arm bones needed to be re-grown , the doctor witch said that he had "thirty-three bones to re-grow". [p. 175]

In Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, we find the following usage of the number '11':

Harry is assigned room number 11 in the Leaky Cauldron, where he is to stay for the last two weeks of Summer Holiday.

In Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, we find the following usage of the number '11':

Evil Lord Voldemort had been steadily increasing his power and ability in the Black Arts for eleven years before he felt strong enough to kill Harry's parents.

Thus, in every book, the number '11' is specifically used the same way in which an occultist would revere it.

[Mansoor Ali]

Part Two

The occult number '13' is also used consistently in Harry Potter novels.

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone -- The bank vault maintained for Harry by his Mom and Dad before their death was numbered '713' [p. 73].

Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets -- Harry is 13 years of age in this book, and it is in this novel that Harry defeats evil Lord Voldemort only because the Phoenix Bird comes to rescue him. In the occult, the Phoenix Bird is one of the major symbols of Antichrist. Therefore, Harry defeated Lord Voldemort only because Antichrist came to Harry's rescue!

In a surprise ending, Harry discovers that his enemy is not Sirius Black, after all! In fact, Sirius Black was framed for the curse murder of the 13 people and was held all these years in AZKABAN Prison when he was innocent. Harry discovers Sirius is his Godfather and really cares for him.

Once captured, Sirius Black was held temporarily in Professor Flitwick's office, seventh floor, thirteenth window from the right of the West Tower. [p. 393]

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire -- [Page 144] -- It had taken 13 years for evil Lord Voldemort to regain his strength so he could again attack Harry, and the Dark Mark sign was his symbol declaring this fact to the world.

[Mansoor Ali]

Part Three

Harry Potter depicts real Witchcraft beliefs and rituals.

Sorcerer's Stone - A. Harry and his friends learn how to make drugs, and the glory of taking them. Listen to Professor Snape explain: "I don't think you will really understand the beauty of the softly simmering cauldron with its shimmering fumes, the delicate power of liquids that creep through human veins, bewitching the mind, ensnaring the senses, I can teach you how to bottle fame, brew glory, even stopper death ... Potter! ... What would I get if I added powered root of asphodel to an infusion of wormwood?" [p. 137; Emphasis added]

Do you see that little reference to "wormwood"? The plant, wormwood, contains thujone, a hypnotic drug.

Voldemort's curse upon Harry's parents had also been directed toward Harry, and was meant to kill him along with his Mom and Dad. Even though the curse had killed Harry's parents, it had not killed him; therefore, "Voldemort's curse, instead of killing him, had rebounded upon its originator. Barely alive, Voldemort fled ..." [Page 12, 57] Rowling accurately depicts Witchcraft. A Witch or Wizard has to be very careful against whom they throw a curse, and under what circumstances. If the magic power of the intended victim is stronger than the originator of the curse believed it to be, or if the curse is not correctly cast, the curse will rebound back upon the person who threw it in the first place.

Mirrors are believed to be a portal to another dimension, including Time. Occultists believe they can go forward or backward in Time with a mirror being one of the Dimensional Portals. Harry encounters a mirror, "magnificent ... as high as the ceiling, with an ornate gold frame, standing on two clawed feet ... Harry stepped in front of it. He had to clasp his hand to his mouth to stop himself from screaming ... for he had seen, not only himself in the mirror but a whole crowd of people standing right behind him ... 'Mom?', he whispered. 'Dad?' They just looked at him, smiling ... Harry was looking at his family, for the first time in his life." [p. 208-9]

[Mansoor Ali]

Part Four

Sorcerer's Stone -- The Sorcerer's Stone is the fifth and stage in the occult drive to achieve eternal life. In this book, Rowling correctly explains: "The ancient study of alchemy is concerned with making the Sorcerer's Stone, a legendary substance with astonishing powers. The stone will transform any metal into pure gold. It also produces the Elixir of Life, which will make the drinker immortal. There have been many reports of the Sorcerer's Stone over the centuries, but the only Stone currently in existence belongs to Mr. Nicolas Flamel, the noted alchemist and opera lover. Mr. Flamel, who celebrated his six hundred and sixty-fifth birthday last year , enjoys a quiet life in Devon with his wife, Perenelle (six hundred and fifty-eight)." [p. 220; Emphasis added]

Do you realize Rowling has just made the creator of the Sorcerer's Stone 666 years old? Since the number, '666', is a symbol of Antichrist and his Mark of the Beast [Revelation 13:18] and since Rowling ties this number to the Elixir of Life, Harry Potter is teaching children that the way to achieve eternal life [Elixir of Life] is to obey the Antichrist.

Rowling depicts the unicorn as a mythical creature living in the Forbidden Forest. Hagrid leads Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Malfoy into an expedition to see who is killing the unicorn. " 'Look there', said Hagrid, 'see that stuff shinin' on the ground? Silvery stuff? That's unicorn blood ... The cloaked figure reached the unicorn, lowered its head over the wound in the animal's side, and began to drink its blood." The Unicorn is a symbol of the coming Antichrist.

[Mansoor Ali]

Part Five

Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets depicts Satanism.

Curses thrown can backfire and when it does, it comes right back against the witch or wizard who threw it in the first place [p. 113] This really happens in Witchcraft.

Use of amulets to protect people from curses [p. 142]

Speaking to snakes -- Called Parselmouth in Chamber of Secrets -- p. 195. Certain Black Magick practitioners, very powerful and "gifted", do talk to snakes. Communicating with snakes is 'the mark of a Dark wizard'. [p. 199]

Invisibility Cloak [p. 259] -- Satanists do believe that they can put on a piece of clothing upon which they have worked a spell, and it will make them invisible.

Monster in the Chamber of Secrets is presented as the most evil, most powerful and most to be feared, creature on the planet. This monster turns out to be the King of Serpents; to represent this kind of serpent, Rowling chooses the Basilisk Serpent, the most evil and powerful in Satanism. Further, Rowling gets the detail correct that any being who looks in the eyes of the Basilisk will die. The Basilisk Serpent is also pictured as having a crown upon his head, thus the title Rowling gives it is correct -- King of Serpents.

Soul-power transfer until complete life-energy is depleted -- Eliphas Levi, The History of Magic , p. 72] Evil Lord Voldemort had captured Ginny Weasley's soul and was draining it of all its life-energy, or life-fluid, so that he could get stronger and stronger, regaining the power he had possessed before he failed to kill baby Harry Potter. Rowling gets her Satanism correct in understanding this very secret belief of the Adepts of Satanism.

Demon possession -- Lord Voldemort's spirit possessed Ginny Weasley, by Ginny's own admission [p. 323] Demonic possession is necessary to achieve the spells, potions, and transformations depicted in these Harry Potter books.

[Mansoor Ali]

Part Six

HARRY POTTER AND THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN -- Using Satanism Correctly and Accurately

Rowling depicts the Inner Eye correctly. The Divination teacher depended upon her Inner Eye to properly see into the future and interpret it [p. 103-5] This is also called the Third Eye.

The Transfiguration teacher taught the students about "Animagi (wizards who could transform at will into animals), and wasn't even watching when she transformed themselves in front of their eyes into a tabby cat with spectacle markings around her eyes." [p.108]

Rowling accurately depicts one of the most insidious realities in the world of demons, the phenomenon called "Shape-Shifting ".

HARRY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE

Generational Witchcraft -- this is witchcraft practiced in successive generations on down. In the real world, some of the best examples of Generational Witchcraft are the families -- Rothschild, Rockefeller, Taft, Wadsworth, Payne, Pillsbury, Sloane, Weyerhaeuser, Harriman, Lord, Bundy, Phelps, Whitney, Perkins, Stimson, Bush, Chafee. [Antony C. Sutton, America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction To The Order of Skull & Bones , p. 19-29]

The most powerful Satanic families leading the world to the Kingdom of Antichrist -- New World Order -- have been involved with Generational Witchcraft for centuries. The most trusted adepts are those whose Witchcraft is generational. Thus, the Bush family is truly trusted by the Illuminati.

Disembodied Spirit -- Evil Lord Voldemort is a disembodied spirit who is looking for a body! [Page 601] Demons/jinn are looking for a body in which to inhabit. Obviously, when a person is a disembodied spirit, he has died; therefore, Lord Voldemort is really now a demon looking for a body in which to inhabit.

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

I just knew someone would start a thread on this soon.

*screams*

Its coming out in 11 days!!! I cant wait!

Ive discussed this topic to death so im not gonna bother now, needless to say I CANT WAIT!

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

Actually wait...

That number business...what a loada tosh!!! Who the heck picks up on that?!

And please, no one relate any stories of children they know who got messed with harry potter. Stupid parents. Stupid children. End of.

[MosDef]

Lol Br. Mansoor is conspiracy HQ. Although there maybe some truth i really think its exaggerated.

I have read all of them - they are well written and very interesting. But i wont be lining up outside Asda :)

[umm emman]

stupid movies waste of time... actually murdering free time...

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

Lol Br. Mansoor is conspiracy HQ. Although there maybe some truth i really think its exaggerated.

I have read all of them - they are well written and very interesting. But i wont be lining up outside Asda :)

Neither will I...

..I pre ordered from waterstones!!

[aburasheed]

Just a reminder to myself and others to reflect on these hadith of the Prophet (SAW). It shows how beautiful, complete and perfect this religion of ours, which shows not only how to increase your Iman, but also how to maintain and protect it.

"Place between you and the forbidden acts a covering (or a barrier) of permissible acts" (Ibn Hibban)

"Leave what makes you doubt for what does not make you doubt" (Ahmad, Trimidhi, Ibn Hibban)

Nu'man b. Bashir r.a. said that Rasulullah s.a.w said : "What is lawful is clear and what is unlawful is (also) clear. But between the two are doubtful matters of which many people do not know. He who protects himself from doubtful matters clears himself in regard to his faith and honour. But he who falls into doubtful matters is like a shepherd who grazes (his sheep) around a sanctuary, and (liable) to graze therein. Surely, every King has a sanctuary. Surely, the sanctuary of Allah swt is his prohibitions. Surely, in the body is a piece of flesh, and if it is sound, the whole body is sound; and if it is damaged, the body is diseased. Surely, it is the heart. (Bukhari, Muslim)

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

The Unicorn is a symbol of the coming Antichrist.

Huh? Who says Unicorns are a symbol of the coming Antichrist?

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

Lol Br. Mansoor is conspiracy HQ. Although there maybe some truth i really think its exaggerated.

I have read all of them - they are well written and very interesting. But i wont be lining up outside Asda :)

Yeah. I'm nor defending Harry Potter, but most of the stuff he's posting is just reguritated Evangelical Christian weirdness.

http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/potter.asp

[MosDef]

Just a reminder to myself and others to reflect on these hadith of the Prophet (SAW). It shows how beautiful, complete and perfect this religion of ours, which shows not only how to increase your Iman, but also how to maintain and protect it.



Very good reminder akh and i take your point.

[nomad]

Assalamu alaykum,

My point of view is that magic is haram, and so when you glorify something that is haram, there is a chance that some people will not distinguish between fantasy and real life. As we see an increase in murders that were commited based on children seeing violent video games, we will see, and infact are seeing, an increase in people delving into magic. Because of Harry Potter, paganism and all its traits is being revived. Whether or not the books are well written is besides the point, there are lots of well written books on the market, but none seem to get the advertisement like Harry Potter.

As muslims i believe we should shun any glorifying of haram acts whether its fiction or fact.

[MosDef]

Unfortunately some of us do fall in to sin sometimes. Usually everytime i switch on the TV.

[Burning Candle]

Assalamu alaykum,

My point of view is that magic is haram, and so when you glorify something that is haram, there is a chance that some people will not distinguish between fantasy and real life. As we see an increase in murders that were commited based on children seeing violent video games, we will see, and infact are seeing, an increase in people delving into magic. Because of Harry Potter, paganism and all its traits is being revived. Whether or not the books are well written is besides the point, there are lots of well written books on the market, but none seem to get the advertisement like Harry Potter.

As muslims i believe we should shun any glorifying of haram acts whether its fiction or fact.

Yasir Qadhi was asked about this in his Lord of the Worlds course in Birmingham. He said that while he could not say watching it was shirk, it was flirting with shirk. It also makes children who watch it more susceptible to shirk by accustoming them to it.

He told a story whereby he was called to speak with 2 children in Texas (11 and 14) whose mother was sayyign she had trouble with them. After speaking with them, the elder sister told him about how there was glows coming from her younger sisters bed, how she saw people walking around the house and things were moving about. Apparantly the younger girl had downloaded some black magic spells from the internet and was jusy trying it out. Basically, she had summoned jinn to her home and didnt know what to do now.

When he asked her why she had done it, she said she didnt know - she saw stuff like this on 'Charmed' which is a programme whcih glorifies witch-craft.

[MosDef]

Yes for children i dont know its probably not wise. I have read books on Hinduism, Christianity etc which are far far worse than Potter believe me. But they were still well written and interesting.

This doesnt mean il call Zeus for help! AstaghfirAllah.

P.S. The simple reason why Potter gets publicity is maybe because millions are fans and have purchased the book? Quite obvious no?

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

When he asked her why she had done it, she said she didnt know - she saw stuff like this on 'Charmed' which is a programme whcih glorifies witch-craft.

Ok now thats different. Ive only ever seen bits but i can see how it would mess a child up, they actually show HOW to use magic, the spells, the symbols etc etc

Harry potter? As a child, you wouldnt even think of black magic reading it. You just wish u could click ur fingers and make things happen...and then u get on with life!! Whos never thought of that?

Why not have a go at cinderella and sleeping beauty and all the rest, theres magic in there too.

[MosDef]

Muggles, Wuggles, and other Bukwas


Funny -HERE (http://zalkhatib.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/muggles-wuggles-and-other-bukwas/)

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

"Granted, Harry Potter might not be on par with Hamlet, or the Illiad, or the Mu`allaqat. I guess the reason I’m commenting is that I’m bothered when Muslims jump on the bandwagon with the Christian right and make big issues of little things, like the Harry Potter phenomenon. Because really, what comes next? Do we boycott a book because we don’t like that the author is non-Muslim? I might be exaggerating, but I still thought it ajeeb to find this link from you when you wrote, “We look at literal rulings, while forgetting larger objectives and principles behind Sacred Law, forgetting Allah’s oft-repeated question: ‘Do you not think??’ (Afalaa ta’qiloon?).”

"As Shaikh Faraz Rabbani commented, “No, Harry Potter is not haram, unless you have reason to fear that you or your children will indulge in the occult from reading it. If so, you have problems–don’t read it.”

Ditto.

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

when I saw my wifes collection of Harry Potter I got her to throw it away.

What a waste of time. I would rather read something more interesting and beneficial for myself, family and the community in general.

And what a waste of money!


He told a story whereby he was called to speak with 2 children in Texas (11 and 14) whose mother was sayyign she had trouble with them. After speaking with them, the elder sister told him about how there was glows coming from her younger sisters bed, how she saw people walking around the house and things were moving about. Apparantly the younger girl had downloaded some black magic spells from the internet and was jusy trying it out. Basically, she had summoned jinn to her home and didnt know what to do now.

When he asked her why she had done it, she said she didnt know - she saw stuff like this on 'Charmed' which is a programme whcih glorifies witch-craft.

Subhanullah! I'm really shocked! Na'udu billahi min Dhalik!

[Mansoor Ali]

To say that Harry Potter is harmless is like saying watching sex and violence has no effect.

Harry Potter encourages children to know and eventually practise satanism. May Allaah save us from it.

"I was eager to get to Hogwarts first because I like what they learned there and I want to be a witch." Gioia Bishop, age 10

"I like the third book because here [Harry] meets his godfather and Professor Lupin, a really cool guy [This really "cool guy" is a werewolf as well as wizard, and Harry's godfather is a "shape shifter" who turns himself into a scary black dog]...." Harry Libarle, age 7

The sad truth is some Harry Potter fans have been turning to witchcraft. Witchcraft or demonology is real and unfortunately children are becoming attracted to it.

[hkrespect]

the order of the phoenix is rubbish

[melo061]

the order of the phoenix is rubbish

It wasn't as good as the other films but still far from rubbish ;)

[MosDef]

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"A response by Shaykh Abu Usamah At-Thahabi on whether it is okay to read or let our children read Harry Potter, Jack and the Beanstalk and similar story books based around magic."

Abu Usamah is a good brother. May Allah reward him. Ameen

[umm emman]

jazakAllahu khair brother 4 that.. ameen 2 the dua mashaAllah hes a good brother.

[ibnYaseen]

Yasir Qadhi was asked about this in his Lord of the Worlds course in Birmingham. He said that while he could not say watching it was shirk, it was flirting with shirk. It also makes children who watch it more susceptible to shirk by accustoming them to it.

He told a story whereby he was called to speak with 2 children in Texas (11 and 14) whose mother was sayyign she had trouble with them. After speaking with them, the elder sister told him about how there was glows coming from her younger sisters bed, how she saw people walking around the house and things were moving about. Apparantly the younger girl had downloaded some black magic spells from the internet and was jusy trying it out. Basically, she had summoned jinn to her home and didnt know what to do now.

When he asked her why she had done it, she said she didnt know - she saw stuff like this on 'Charmed' which is a programme whcih glorifies witch-craft.

I was there also and remember when he mentioned this. I was going to mention this myself but you did it first :)

Books have a far more emphatic way of influencing impressionable minds, compared to movies and tv shows. Movies tend to create more of an emotional, short-lived influence whereas a fictitious book is a world within a world, using powerful levels of one's imagination. So it's sad to see millions of children worldwide will be exposed to the shirki, kufri, magic-inspiring influences in this book.

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

has anyone ever watched a kung fu movie and afterwards had a daydream/dream they could beat up 20 people with moves his body would never allow? ;)

[ibnYaseen]

has anyone ever watched a kung fu movie and afterwards had a daydream/dream they could beat up 20 people with moves his body would never allow? ;)

LOL :D -- but you agree the lasting effects of a movie are less intense than that of a riveting, deep fictional book (that one would actually read cover-to-cover) ?

[Mohd_Ali]

It looks like people are divided on whether Harry Potter is good or bad, personally I don't mind but I don't go out of my way to watch the movies or read the book

I prefer Jason Bourne, hard as nails!!

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

LOL :D -- but you agree the lasting effects of a movie are less intense than that of a riveting, deep fictional book (that one would actually read cover-to-cover) ?

the best books i've read which were fictional was the godfather and another one which ended up a film with tom "scientology" cruise - i forgot the name.

books are definitley better than the movies, but not kung fu books......