Leaving Forever, insha Allah

[WM]

Following the excellent precedent of Um Abdullah...

By Monday, I hope to have given up forums forever, insha Allah, this one included. I don't want to get preachy or anything, but I waste too much time on the net. In future, insha Allah, I'll limit my activity to checking e-mails and maybe visiting the BBC News site now and then.

Hopefully, this will give me some time to do some reading, study hard, and sort out my life. Only the contemplative life is truly worth living, as some dude once said.

If any of you are crazy enough to want to contact me, just send an e-mail.


And, forgive me for anything I said.

And, make Du'a for me.

[waziri]

Following the excellent precedent of Um Abdullah...

By Monday, I hope to have given up forums forever, insha Allah, this one included. I don't want to get preachy or anything, but I waste too much time on the net. In future, insha Allah, I'll limit my activity to checking e-mails and maybe visiting the BBC News site now and then.

Hopefully, this will give me some time to do some reading, study hard, and sort out my life. Only the contemplative life is truly worth living, as some dude once said.

If any of you are crazy enough to want to contact me, just send an e-mail.

Ok Akhi you take care now be good and if you cant be good be carefull,

May Allah subhana wa ta ala grant you every success in everything you do Aaameen


http://www.elite.net/~runner/jennifers/goodbye.htm


wasalam

[Abu GG]

Buh-Bye.

cuppashai@hotmail.com if youre on MSN

Just to let you know Im really lazy with messaging people, and take long to reply sometimes.

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

Dont do anything stupid.

w'salaam.

[WM]

?!

Thanks

[Adem Al-Albani]

What's wrong with coming on forums once in a while? I mean if you got like 8000 posts in 6 months, then you got a content removed problem, but once in a while is good, mashaaAllah, keep strong with the ikhwa you met here and may Allah reward you.

ma'Salaama.

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

*looks at everyone*

Help him.

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

Dude, believe me, u do need help. And im sure theres loadsa wonderful ppl here who can advise u properly. Maybe theres even a psychiatrist here!

[Farhan]

He's just messing around.

Take care brother. Wasalaam

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

Ur gonna go hell if u do that.

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

Urgh! WHY did i start believing u? urgh!

[gag order]

:)

Should I hang myself, or throw myself off a bridge?you can do both at the same time ;)

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

No. No im not normal *sighs*

Relax, some bro will help u out ok? Just go to sleep and get some rest.

[Turaabie]

Nah... I wouldn't call yah a 'Freak'

Attention Seeker!

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

Ok stop it u guys, just leave him alone.

Hes asking for help here, now unless someone has something constructive to say i suggest u edited off!

[waziri]

Akhi if your joking I think you better stop messing now,to say wallahi about such matters in not a joke.

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

Ok heres some tips from a website and i want u to read this all and act on it....

1- Strive to keep company with good, righteous, pious people, and learn from them and their experiences.

2- Always remember Allaah and recite Qur’aan, and adopt a daily wird (collection of du’aa’s and dhikrs) that you recite every day without fail.

3- Set yourself a program for learning Islamic knowledge etc.

4- Set yourself an exercise program, or join a sports club

5- Do a lot of naafil acts of worship, especially voluntary fasts, for this is an important means of resisting temptation and reducing desire.

6- Strive in making du’aa’ and ask Allaah to rid you of this forbidden bad habit and to strengthen your resolve.

7- Remember that the harms caused by the secret habit are innumerable; it weakens the body, saps one’s strength, and increases the distance between a person and his Lord. It is a major factor in depression and feelings of sin.

8- Avoid being alone as much as possible, because this habit is one of the effects of being alone.

9- Try to pray in the mosque, and pray qiyaam al-layl, because this will bring tranquility to the heart.

10-Finally, you have to repent continually, weep with fear of Allaah, humble yourself before Him, and ask Him to forgive you. If you resolve firmly each time not to go back to that habit, then your nafs threatens to overwhelm you, then resist it. “But as for him who feared standing before his Lord, and restrained himself from impure evil desires and lusts, Verily, Paradise will be his abode” [al-Naazi’aat 79:40 – interpretation of the meaning]. If you give in, then repent anew, and renew your promise (not to do it again). Do not despair of the mercy of Allaah, and do a great deal of naafil acts of worship and righteous deeds. “And perform As-Salaat (Iqaamat-as- Salaat), at the two ends of the day and in some hours of the night [i.e. the five compulsory Salaat (prayers)]. Verily, the good deeds remove the evil deeds (i.e. small sins). That is a reminder (an advice) for the mindful (those who accept advice)” [Hood 11:114].

May Allaah help you to do all that is good. Ameen.

[waziri]

Muhaqiq whats got into you?

You seemed like a well balanced individual to me, but after having read what you just said to turabie Im not too sure now.

Whats the matter akh?Whats bought all this on?

Come on akh you can talk to your uncle waz

[Abu GG]

I love you

[Abuz Zubair]

See muhaqiq? I told you most of these people are appalling when it comes to these issues. You should've believed me.

It is really appalling dear brothers and sisters that we do not know how to deal with people with depression.

Muhaqiq, you won't get anywhere unless and until you act on my advice. Unfortunately, there is nothing much I can do from the cyber world but advise. It is not good having around you those who would listen. You must also listen and act on the advise they give you.

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

Muhaqiq...have u even bothered reading what i posted?

[Abuz Zubair]

Muhaqiq...have u even bothered reading what i posted?
plz keep out of it if you have never dealt with such situations before. you are making it worse.

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

Dude those are good tips! And he asked me for help.

[Abuz Zubair]

For God's sake... plz act on my advice, and come back when you have. PLEASE!

[Abu GG]

Muhaqqiq

I invite you to join the MGz (my clique my crew)

You are from me, and me from you

Abu GG
(Commander of The 7 Batallions of The MG Clique)

[WM]

If my parents find out I've gone to hospital, they'll kill me.

And, they'll be about as understanding as the people on this forum.

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

Ok look, i'll get a psychiatrist to talk to u tomorrow inshallah. You wont need to go anywhere. Everyone go to sleep now.

[Abuz Zubair]

You don't need to go to a flipping hospital. And you don't need to tell your parents. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

[Abu GG]

You think youre the only one whose going through the $*it your going through? I know of other brothers who have gone through exactly the same. And theres prolly tonnes still around. Theirs are probably worse cases than yours though.

[Turaabie]

You seemed like a well balanced individual to me, but after having read what you just said to turabie Im not too sure now.

K.. Allaahu Alim, what you said in reply to my post, as it got deleted before i had the chance to read it! But don't matter...

I just couldn't tell if you were being serious or not in your posts... So i'm sorry if i offended yah in any way. Was not my intention!

May Allaah protect you. Aameen.

Wa 'Alaikum as-Salaam.

[Abu GG]

K.. Allaahu Alim, what you said in reply to my post, as it got deleted before i had the chance to read it! But don't matter...

I just couldn't tell if you were being serious or not in your posts... So i'm sorry if i offended yah in any way. Was not my intention!

May Allaah protect you. Aameen.

Wa 'Alaikum as-Salaam.

No forget it

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

Abu GG. I like ur recent blog post. Mashallah. Tis good.

[aburasheed]

Do you know any good muslim counselors (aka shrink), preferably someone upon the Sunnah? That might be the best solution for brother muhaqiq, that's my personal advice.

[nobody]

what happened ? only wazir's post that quoted muhaqqiq showed something horrible. why did the mods banned him ? may Allah save him from the harms of this life and the hereafter.

[aburasheed]

I think he's still online, not banned.

I tried sending PM and he's blocking PMs.

muhaqiq has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.Here is my message brother Muhaqiq.
Assalamulaikum Brother Muhaqiq,

I apologize if I said something that offend you. Some point in your life, you will feel overwhelm. Different ideas, different opinions. I suggest that you find someone that you trust, preferably upon the Sunnah and have a serious talk about your problems.

I'll make dua for your well-being and may Allah increase you in taqwa.

[juwairiyah]

Assalamo'alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

what's the matter with the brother?Why is he depressed? may Allah remove his sadness and make this quran guidance and light for him ameen

[Nour al Islam*]

Aaslaamu Aalikium Wa Rahamatuh Allahi Wa Barakatuh,

I pray that this message reaches everyone in the best of health, and state of Imaan Insha'allah. We all go through such phases, where at some point in time we feel the weakness of our imaan, but please, I sincerely beg that you look at the following insha'allah, and perhaps you might find some comfort in them:

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When Allaah wills good for His slave, He hastens the punishment for him in this world, and when Allaah wills ill for His slave, he withholds the punishment for his sins from him until he comes with all his sins on the Day of Resurrection.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (2396); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.


Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “Do not resent the calamities that come and the disasters that occur, for perhaps in something that you dislike will be your salvation, and perhaps in something that you prefer will be your doom.”

Al-Fadl ibn Sahl said: “There is a blessing in calamity that the wise man should not ignore, for it erases sins, gives one the opportunity to attain the reward for patience, dispels negligence, reminds one of blessings at the time of health, calls one to repent and encourages one to give charity.


Shaykh al-Islam (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: A calamity that makes you turn to Allaah is better for you than a blessing which makes you forget the remembrance of Allaah.”

And lastly insha'allah,[I] "..Be mindful of Allah, you will find Him before you. Get to know Allah in prosperity and He will know you in adversity. Know that what has passed you by was not going to befall you; and that what has befallen you was not going to pass you by. And know that victory comes with patience, relief with affliction, and ease with hardship."

Just know akhee that there are so many people out there that have been touched, and your message have increased in their worries and concerns over your well being. Know that whatever mishap has befallen you, is only a test from Allah swt to test those who are patient when a calamity befalls them. May Allah swt make us of as-sabiroon and al-hamedoon during difficult times.

[nomad]

Assalamu alaykum,

I have noticed that alot of brothers suffer from bi polar. I personnally think it is a pyscological factor of being raised in the west, and having a split personnality. One for at home, and one for at school. It is somthing i didnt want my kids to suffer so i homeschool them.

May Allah cure the one who is depressed. IA is kind of depressing sometimes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Umm Ahmed]

Wa 'alaykum usalaam.

Bi polar seems to run in families as well , the medicine helps but what happens is once they feel fine they want to come off the medicine ( because it makes them feel drowsy) which then sends them back into deep depression. I have a friend who has this, her kids have had to raise themselves.

[nomad]

assalamu alaykum,

all these physiological diseases that are widespread. Do you think it is because we have left reciting the quran? I heard somewhere we are supposed to recite 2 juzit everyday. Not sure if its authentic or not though.

[Magoo]

western society is full of manic depression, its all to do with too much t.v, internet, too much time to think about rubbish, we need to keep busy, go to work during the day, make sure you go the mosque everyday, find some classes to attend, get married, do some dawa work, keep busy and inshAllah you will be ok, if you find yourself with nothing to do it can lead to depression as you start to think all sorts of rubbish, also an option to consider is rooqiyah if you feel depressed, it is possible that some majic is involved (may Allah protect us) get yourself checked out.

and Allah knows best

[UmmAbdulMalikStorm]

I think this thread should be deleted.

[Umm Ahmed]

I agree with what your saying Magoo , those who work hard are too tired to become sad or moody, with manual labour is good therapy. Though if you live in a flat you can always take up some of the martial art classs available.

As muslims we allready have a schedule with the five prayers and the sunnah ones too , we fit our day around this alhamdulilaah.

[Umm Ahmed]

I think this thread should be deleted.

IA doesn't delete threads Sis.

[Abuz Zubair]

I don't think clinical depression should necessarily be blamed on the society. Unfortunately, many of us who have never had first hand experience with clinical depression do not understand it well, and consequently, do not know how to deal with it. Often it is neither the society's nor the person's fault. It simply happens that there is chemical imbalance in one's brains so he gets mood swings every now and then. So one minute he is in the highest of iman, and the next minute he is feeling suicidal. It is no more than a medical condition with medical treatment.

But because *we* do not understand it, we make it into a stigma (like many other things in life -- eg. divorce). This makes it hard for the person to even admit that he might have a medical condition, let alone get himself treated. The obvious consequence of this is that he can never be stable in his life, never be successful at work, have friends or have a stable relationship.

We can make it easier for such people by being more understanding.

A lot of things we say here, we might feel is harmless. But they see themselves being stigmatised as usual.

[ibnYaseen]

abuz zubair, what is the islamic cure for clinical depression?

[Umm]

Sometimes it is jinn, like when people claim to hear voices, or have multiple personalities. I always recommend people go for rukya before prescribed prescription drugs.

[Abuz Zubair]

abuz zubair, what is the islamic cure for clinical depression?
Well, what is the Islamic cure for diabetes?

Surely, there are some general prophetic guidance we can adhere to in terms of how we live and eat which would prevent, or help with clinical depression or diabetes. But as with any other medical condition, the primary treatment is a medical treatment, of course, apart from adkhar, tawakkul, tawba that we should always be engaged in, anyway, irrespective of our illness.

[Abuz Zubair]

Sometimes it is jinn, like when people claim to hear voices, or have multiple personalities. I always recommend people go for rukya before prescribed prescription drugs.
No doubt, sometimes it might just be Jinn. But people tend to find an easy way out of their problems by blaming it all on the Jinns the way Nazis would blame it all on the Jews. I start to feel sorry for the Jinns sometimes.

I have seen brothers discouraging someone from taking medication and and rely on ruqya, and his condition simply worsened and got admitted to a mental hospital! I thought that was very irresponsible.

[MosDef]

Yes and all the peer baba dont help either - expoliting the possibility of Jinn for their own material benefit.

So people naturally shy away.

[Abu GG]

Support, understanding and sympathising with ones condition is effective.
Once he trusts you as one of his, you can begin the remoulding process.

[Umm]

No doubt, sometimes it might just be Jinn. But people tend to find an easy way out of their problems by blaming it all on the Jinns the way Nazis would blame it all on the Jews. I start to feel sorry for the Jinns sometimes.

That is true. Even the jinn are not spared from conspiracy theories.

I have seen brothers discouraging someone from taking medication and and rely on ruqya, and his condition simply worsened and got admitted to a mental hospital! I thought that was very irresponsible.

Hmm, that is a tricky situation. Usually, anyone dramatically weaned off medication is going to suffer seious side effects.

On the one hand, the slightest marital problem, or depression due to weak emaan is blamed on jinn, but on the other, western medicine obviously claims to have a magic pill for most mental illnesses. Jinn possession and magic can cause a lot of effects.

I myself have witnessed illusions etc on a regular basis, which are from the effects of magic put on me after I reverted. A psychiatrist wouldn't consider jinn or magic of course. I would probably be sent to the funny farm . :eek:
Yet when I have rukyah, the effects are very much reduced, alhamdulillah.

[Magoo]

i mentioned ruqiyah earlier aswell but some people do pull the "magic" card very quickly, as soon as any illness or any family problems occur they say some one has done magic, sometimes it is a test from Allah and sometimes (illness) is kafara, therefore perspective is important and people with level heads to advise you and help you through times of difficulty can help too

[juwairiyah]

Assalamo'alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

Quran is the best medicine at the time of tests.Being in the company of pious friends help too as they boost up our iman biidhnillah...

[Abuz Zubair]

muhaqiq is asking for everyone's forgiveness for being rude or horrible.

[salafiya]

Assalam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah

Well it seems I have missed this thread completely. Darn IA, does anyone else have problems? I get the "Page cannot be displayed" thing...for the forum and for the actual site...and this occurs for hours at a time.

Anyways Muhaqiq (I dunno if your still reading this?)...believe me, I know what you're going through. At one point I had a bottle of pills open and actually fell asleep with it in my hands...I never took any Alhumdulillah. And the reason I didn't take any was because I thought of the Akhira. I thought of how devastated my parents would have been. I thought of how that is the way I'd be tortured in Hell if I truly committed suicide. Think about it....is what you are going through worth the punishment of the Akhira?

The Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever throws himself down from a high mountain and kills himself will be throwing himself down from a mountain in the Fire of Hell for all eternity. Whoever takes poison and kills himself will be taking poison in the Fire of Hell for all eternity. Whoever kills himself with a weapon (literally, iron) will be holding it in his hand and stabbing himself in the stomach in the Fire of Hell for all eternity. (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 5778)

Did I mention I love Islam-QA. <3

http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=5112&ln=eng&

It was reported from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No person suffers any anxiety or grief, and says:

‘Allaahumma innee ‘abduka wa ibn ‘abdika wa ibn amatika, naasiyati bi yadika, maadin fiyya hukmuka, ‘adlun fiyya qadaa’uka, as’aluka bi kulli ismin huwa laka sammayta bihi nafsaka aw anzaltahu fi kitaabika aw ‘allamtahu ahadan min khalqika aw ista’tharta bihi fi ‘ilm il-ghaybi ‘andak an taj’ala al-Qur’aana rabee’ qalbi wa noor sadri wa jalaa’a huzni wa dhahaaba hammi (O Allaah, I am Your slave, son of Your slave, son of Your female slave, my forelock is in Your hand, Your command over me is forever executed and Your decree over me is just. I ask You by every Name belonging to You which You named Yourself with, or revealed in Your Book, or You taught to any of Your creation, or You have preserved in the knowledge of the unseen with You, that You make the Qur’aan the life of my heart and the light of my breast, and a departure for my sorrow and a release for my anxiety)’

- but Allaah will take away his sorrow and grief, and give him in their stead joy.”

http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=41703&ln=eng - Feeling fed up of life

http://islam-qa.com/books/worries/english.html - Dealing with Worries and Stress


رَبِّ فَلاَ تَجْعَلْنِي فِي الْقَوْمِ الظَّالِمِينَ
"My Lord! Then (save me from Your Punishment), and put me not amongst the people who are the Zālimûn (polytheists and wrong-doing)." (Al-Mu'minun 23:94)

وَقُلْ رَبِّ أَعُوذُ بِكَ مِنْ هَمَزَاتِ الشَّيَاطِينِ
And say: "My Lord! I seek refuge with You from the whisperings (suggestions) of the Shayātin (devils). (Al-Mu'minun 23:97)

وَأَعُوذُ بِكَ رَبِّ أَنْ يَحْضُرُونِ
"And I seek refuge with You, My Lord! lest they may attend (or come near) me." (Al-Mu'minun 23:98)

وَقُلْ رَبِّ اغْفِرْ وَارْحَمْ وَأَنْتَ خَيْرُ الرَّاحِمِينَ

And say (O Muhammad SAW): "My Lord! Forgive and have mercy, for You are the Best of those who show mercy!" (Al-Mu'minun 23:118)


And remember....hasbunAllaahu wa ne'am al wakeel.


Sorry if my post didn't help any. It's just that Islaamic material regarding sadness/depression used to help me a lot and I think it might be the same for you inshaAllaah.

[Umm Farouk]

Assalamu alaikum,

Islam QA is one site that should be recommended i also love the site. Brother muhaqiq if u are still reading i pray Allah SWT to help u and keep the strong eeman because with faith there is nothing that cant be overcome. All the best.

[MosDef]

Darn IA, does anyone else have problems? I get the "Page cannot be displayed" thing...for the forum and for the actual site...and this occurs for hours at a time.


Yes this does happen. Is there a official explanation from the admin??

[Abuz Zubair]

Server problems, unfortunately.

[sabr]

assalamoalaikum

If the brother is in London, there is a muslim councilling service, 'Sakinah Councilling', who could help. There's also a practicing muslim brother upon quran and sunnah, Shahnawaz Haque, who's a psychiatrist, maybe he could help if the brother is interested.
would someone like to ask so I could pass on his contact details?

[WM]

Sabr, please pm me.

'Kama tudeenu tudaan'- and if that is true, my friend, then I am well and truly ......................

[sabr]

Here are the details:

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