About me, former BNP.

[AkramUKConv]

I am not going to write much here as I am currently writing on article about myself and being drawn to Islam that will explain a lot, which focuses centrally on what I state below.

But, I wanted to let you all know, and be honest, that I was a former BNP member for 5 years who focused on exposing Islam as a wicked and vicious faith and have been a pro-White Germanic pagan nationalist for well over that.

I was the one who pushed Mark Gabriel's writings (and now refute them (http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=5769)) and over the past 12 months things have really changed inmy life for the worse. I started ot look at what I was doing, whom it affected of my loved ones and, I don;t know why, but I started to actually read about the faith that so much of my time was focused on 'exposing'.

I have learnt so much, to the degree of me being on the verge of converting. This is openly and honestly true. I was like all the others, cut and pasting quotes, but with the Islamic books i have bought and this forum and the Load-Islam site I see that I have been in great error.

I have forsaken what I once used ot hold in my heart as being the sole factor in life, that of the survival of my white race. I no longer care about race and see that Islam is a beautiful faith which is, for me, helping me towards a better self.

I won't go into any further detail, other than to publish my article on this subject shortly but I wanted to introduce myself.

[abu_ibrahim]

That was very touching. Do you chat with Ibn Myatt by any chance?

[MosDef]

You should read the following:
I was a BNP activist ... and converted to Islam

Muhammad Islam
Saturday September 24, 2005
The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/)

Then, one day in 1989, I was walking past a secondhand book stall by the Royal Festival Hall when a cover caught my eye: it was the most beautiful picture, in the most gorgeous colours, of a building. I didn't know what the book was, but it was only 20p so I bought it. I thought I'd buy a cheap frame and have a nice picture for my wall. I had no idea until I got home that I had bought the Qur'an.

Read the rest HERE (http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,1575810,00.html)

Its a great story

[AkramUKConv]

That was very touching. Do you chat with Ibn Myatt by any chance?

I hope my article will do more than that and that is the reason I am writing it - I am spending a lot of time on it as it deserves that, and I think Islam and all Muslims deserves that from me., at the very least.

I have spoken to Ibn Myatt and he has helped immensely. Although, I admit that I never hated any race, I just thought mine deserved to survive for future generations, with its own kind - hate never entered into my beliefs unlike his but he has helped me see the beauty in Islam

[abu_ibrahim]

You should read this one as well, he is Abdus Salam Sipes (former Ku Klux Klan member)

http://thetruereligion.org/modules/xfsection/article.php?articleid=206

[Nour al Islam*]

Welcome,

Your heartfelt message just reminded me of the following verses from the Qur'an: "When there comes the Help of Allah...and you see that the people enter Allah's religion in crowds. So glorify the Praises of your Lord, and ask His forgiveness. Verily, He is the one Who accepts the repentance and Who forgives." [An-Nasr, v.1-3]


"Whoever desires to purify his heart, then let him prefer Allah to his desires"
- Ibn al-Qayyim (ra)


Please feel welcome into asking anything in regards to Islam. May your path be lightened for you, and May Allah swt open your heart to the truth. Ameen.

[Abu GG]

May God bless you and make you from those who bring much goodness and benefit to Muslims and the world.

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

I was a non-practicing Hindu, who would have muslim friends and an interest in Islam, but would not like the faith.

I remember after work when in my A-Level years I would chat to my Hindu buddy, and I would boast: "I would never become a muslim!"

A year Later I became a muslim - wal-lillahi-hamd!


When I told the Hindu mate, he actually didn't believe me at all! I kept telling him I was, and he wouldn't believe me.....until one of the brothers confirmed it to him.....and he was shocked into silence.....

i was also a racist, I wouldn't even eat the food a pakistani made, and would cuss bengalis, and white people. Subhanullah I can truly say that ALLAH Ta'ala guided me away from that within an instance of me becoming a muslim.....it is hard to explain but it happened!

Keep reading and if anyone here can help then please don't hesitate to ask. Also if you want any info for any research maybe www.islamic-awareness.org has some material which primarily deals with the Christian missionary polemical arguments against Islam!

[Umm Ahmed]

May Allaah help and guide you through your journey ameen.

[morbius]

I am not really surprised when I hear news of former nationalists and racists embracing Islam. AkramUKConv, you used to be BNP, which tells us that you probably are an intolerant person. Islam is also a very intolerant religion, so you have just traded one intolerance for another, it seems.
I often say that Christianity is not for everyone. A Christian should be a loving, tolerant person. If he is not, Islam is better choice of religion for him.

And just to make it clear, I’m not saying that Islam is all bad, far from it. Islam has many, many good sides, but also a few very ugly faces.

[MosDef]

A Christian should be a loving, tolerant person.

Depends what you mean by "loving" - are these people "loving" ?

The Roman Catholic Church in Los Angeles has apologised to hundreds of people abused by priests after agreeing to a record-breaking settlement. The apology by Cardinal Roger Mahony, the Church's leader, comes after the 508 victims reached a pay-out deal with the church worth $660m (£324m).


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6900129.stm

[Mansoor Ali]

Reply to Morbius, who said

A Christian should be a loving, tolerant person.

The Bible promotes terrorism:

Isaiah 13:15-18

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.

Ezekiel 9:5-7

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."

Jeremiah 51:20-26

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.

Deuteronomy Chapter 2, 32-37

And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.

[morbius]

Here we go again...

Depends what you mean by "loving" - are these people "loving" ?

As I said before, Catholic views of Christianity are not the best around. Popes had a bright idea to prohibit marrieges of the priests so that their obligations to the family would not interfere with their service to the Lord. They seems to have forgoten that people have sexual needs.

In the Othodox Christianity one can not become a priest if he is not married.

[AkramUKConv]

I am not really surprised when I hear news of former nationalists and racists embracing Islam. AkramUKConv, you used to be BNP, which tells us that you probably are an intolerant person. Islam is also a very intolerant religion, so you have just traded one intolerance for another, it seems.
I often say that Christianity is not for everyone. A Christian should be a loving, tolerant person. If he is not, Islam is better choice of religion for him.

And just to make it clear, I’m not saying that Islam is all bad, far from it. Islam has many, many good sides, but also a few very ugly faces.

You would be very surprised if you met me. Even being in the BNP I have and stil have many Asian and Chinese friends. Intolerant person? Nope, thats not me at all. I think the image the BNP get from the controlled media s very wrong and it is fo rthis reason that people think many of them are intolerant. Coming from that party I can tell you its a false image.

Yes, I was BNP but I never was intolerant, never hated, never was violent and never wanted the country to be solely white.

I have just found peace in Islam. Whereas everything else I have done and followed has done nnothing but given me inner grief. Islam has given me inner peace.

[Abuz Zubair]

I am not really surprised when I hear news of former nationalists and racists embracing Islam

Great! Do we understand from this that you're on your way to conversion? Finally, allowing you to speak here so freely is bearing fruits! :)

It is almost hilarious how morbius gets enraged as soon as someone shows interest in Islam. It is truly amazing!

[morbius]

You would be very surprised if you met me. Even being in the BNP I have and stil have many Asian and Chinese friends. Intolerant person? Nope, thats not me at all. I think the image the BNP get from the controlled media s very wrong and it is fo rthis reason that people think many of them are intolerant. Coming from that party I can tell you its a false image.

Yes, I was BNP but I never was intolerant, never hated, never was violent and never wanted the country to be solely white.

I have just found peace in Islam. Whereas everything else I have done and followed has done nnothing but given me inner grief. Islam has given me inner peace.

Well, seems that I have misjudged you. Even I sometimes become victim of stereotypes.

I am sorry if I have offended you.

[morbius]

Great! Do we understand from this that you're on your way to conversion? Finally, allowing you to speak here so freely is bearing fruits! :)
Problem is that I am not nationalist or racist, so it doesn't work on me. :)

It is almost hilarious how morbius gets enraged as soon as someone shows interest in Islam. It is truly amazing!

Everybody has right to freely chose religion according to his conscience. Even if he makes what we believe to be a bad choice, we must respect his choice none the less.
Quite opposite from Islamic way.

[Mu'awiya]

O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allah is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa [i.e. one of the Muttaqun (pious.] Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware.

[Qur'an 49: 13]



Taqwa: piety, "God-consciousness." Taqwa involves constant awareness and remembrance of Allah, and conscious efforts to adhere to His commandments and abstain from whatever He has forbidden.
www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/humanrelations/womeninislam/idealmuslimah/Glossary.html (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=X&start=1&oi=define&q=http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/humanrelations/womeninislam/idealmuslimah/Glossary.html&usg=AFQjCNFj3gG9cgWmHmwnhat1qIhYuUcxnw)

[waziri]

Its amazing how morbius can accuse muslims of intolerance even after being tolerated on this forum for so long

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

moribus, are you saing all orthodox christians are tolerant and non-racists?

[ibn 'abd al-jabbaar]

Its amazing how morbius can accuse muslims of intolerance even after being tolerated on this forum for so long

especially after it has been established that he is a racist and a xenophobe... :rolleyes:

http://fukung.net/images/3895/Pot%20Kettle%20Black.jpg

[Brother_Mujahid]

Morbius is as intolerant as they come. His snide and arrogant attitude when addressing the Muslim members here have exposed his egocentric self-worship. Just look at how he fumes because people refuse to submit to his would be pseudo-intellectual tyranny and his smug sense of self-superiority. His vulgar and condescending remarks toward our new brother Akram also shows how jealous he is that someone found peace in Islam, while morbius remains a miserable creature who's only aim in life is to spread his misery to everyone around him.

[AkramUKConv]

Well, seems that I have misjudged you. Even I sometimes become victim of stereotypes.

I am sorry if I have offended you.

No problem, just I would would not judge all Muslims vy the few, I just ask that you, and others, do the same. :)

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." - Sherlock Holmes - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth ..." - Sherlock Holmes - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

[Umm Kalthoom]

May God bless you and make you from those who bring much goodness and benefit to Muslims and the world.


Asalamo3alaikumwara7matulahwiabarakatuh

Sub7anAllah Ameen & Welcomme

Wasalamo3alaikumwara7matulahiwabarakatuh

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

especially after it has been established that he is a racist and a xenophobe... :rolleyes:

http://fukung.net/images/3895/Pot%20Kettle%20Black.jpg

that is the funniest post i have seen bro! lol!

[Abuz Zubair]

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." - Sherlock Holmes - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
Excellent quote!

[morbius]

moribus, are you saing all orthodox christians are tolerant and non-racists?

Of course not. But we should strive to be like that.
Not all Muslims have the virtues that Quran insists upon, either.

[morbius]

No problem, just I would would not judge all Muslims by the few, I just ask that you, and others, do the same. :)
Don't worry, I try not to judge anyone.
Muslims in my country of birth are on average very good people and quite tolerant, too. I didn't even know what's the deal with those Islamic terrorists before I came here. Muslims I know were teaching me that Islam insists on tolerance to other religions, brotherly love and peace. It is here that I've learned that "religion of peace" has nothing to do with peace.

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." - Sherlock Holmes - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Well said.

[AkramUKConv]

Don't worry, I try not to judge anyone.
I didn't even know what's the deal with those Islamic terrorists before I came here. Muslims I know were teaching me that Islam insists on tolerance to other religions, brotherly love and peace. It is here that I've learned that "religion of peace" has nothing to do with peace.

Please can you explain to me more?

[Umm Ahmed]

Whoa Islamic terrorist ? thats a huge label to be throwing around here Morbius . I advise you to read more carefully all of the threads on here, before you start branding us and all that it means to the media and the non muslim society in general.

[MosDef]

I think he is referring to the Bosnian Mujahideen?

Moazzam Begg described them well in his book, alhamdulillah.

[morbius]

Please can you explain to me more?

You are new here, so you don't know my story. I come from former Yugoslavia where Muslims and Christians used to live in great harmony. Mixed marriages were a common thing and you wouldn't even be able to tell if someone is Christian or Muslim until you ask his name (and sometimes not even then). Those were the good days.

Islam in Serbia and Bosnia is in many aspects different than what you may find elsewhere. It is very tolerant and resembles Christianity in many ways. Associating with local Muslims I had in my mind an image of a modern, secular, tolerant Islam. It is here that I discovered that original Islam has very little to do with that image.

Original Islam is a very intolerant religion – our way or highway. It teaches that war must be fought until all the world is ruled by Islam and people are forced to live under Islamic law (Shariah). Muslim is not allowed to have non-Muslim friends and all outsiders (usually referred as kuffar, which could be translated as savages) are to be considered hostile. Non-Muslims are allowed very limited rights and only if they are monotheistic (“people of the book”), while punishment for fallowing polytheistic religion, such as Hinduism, is death. Any public speaking against Islam means death. Any preaching of other religion to Muslims means death. Quitting Islam means death, also.

Of course, this original Islamic Shariah is not practiced anywhere in the world. It’s always modified and modernised to some extent in the Muslim countries. But here you will find many of those who want the original Islam to return.

[Mu'awiya]

Original Islam is a very intolerant religion – our way or highway. It teaches that war must be fought until all the world is ruled by Islam and people are forced to live under Islamic law (Shariah). Muslim is not allowed to have non-Muslim friends and all outsiders


The first point to be noted is that, in the verse above, the word Awliya is often incorrectly translated as friends (Awliya is the plural and its singular is wali and the concept is walaah). As a result, many people are under the misconception that this verse commands Muslims to distance themselves from Non-Muslims and to avoid friendship with them. This is far from the truth, as we shall see after examining the meaning of the word Awliya. The Qur'an says:

3:122 ...Allah was their WALI (protector), and in Allah should the faithful (Ever) put their trust.


This verse indicates that a wali is one in whom trust is placed for protection, as the Qur'an always declares God the protector, wali, of the righteous. As Dr. Saeed Ismail Sieny concludes his discussion on Walaah by writing:

As we have discovered above, the root of the word "al-walaah" does not include love, support, etc., and that the core meaning rests on guardianship. (Sieny, The Relationship Between Muslims and Non-Muslims; Toronto, Al-Attique Publishers Inc., 2000, p. 102, emphasis added)


And Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi writes: In the verse you quoted, the word "Awliya" is used. It is a plural and its singular is "wali". The correct translation of the word ""wali"" is not "friend" but it is someone who is very close and intimate. It is also used to mean "guardian, protector, patron, lord and master". In the Qur'an this word is used for God, such as “Allah is the Protector (or Lord and Master) of those who believe. He takes them out from the depths of darkness to light…” (Al- Baqarah: 257)
There are many other references in the Qur'an that give this meaning. The same word is also sometimes used in the Qur'an for human beings, such as
“And whosoever is killed unjustly, We have granted his next kin "wali" the authority (to seek judgment or punishment in this case)…”(Al-‘Isra' :33)
(SOURCE (http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=8886) emphasis added)


It becomes clear that the word Awliya cannot be taken as simply referring to friendship, as it contains a much more complex meaning, including dependence and guardianship. Therefore, a more accurate translation of the verse would be:


5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your protectors: They are but protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.


Therefore, the referred verse does not prohibit friendship with Non-Muslims at all. Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi writes: The Qur'an does not say that non-Muslims cannot be Muslims' friends, nor does it forbid Muslims to be friendly to non-Muslims. There are many non-Muslims who are good friends of Muslim individuals and the Muslim community. There are also many good Muslims who truly and sincerely observe their faith and are very friendly to many non-Muslims at the same time. Islam teaches us that we should be friendly to all people. Islam teaches us that we should deal even with our enemies with justice and fairness. Allah says in the Qur'an in the beginning of the same Surah Al-Ma’dah: “O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah as witnesses to fair dealings and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just, that is next to piety. Fear Allah, indeed Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do.”(Al-Ma’dah :8)
In another place in the Qur'an, Allah Almighty says:
“Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong- doers.” (Al-Mumtahinah: 8-9)
Moreover, Allah Almighty has described Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, as "a mercy" to the worlds. He was a sign of Allah's Mercy to all, Muslims as well as non-Muslims. In his kindness and fair treatment he did not make any difference between the believers and non-believers. He was kind to the pagans of Makkah and fought them only when they fought him. He made treaties with the Jews of Madinah and honored the treaties until they broke them. He, peace and blessings be upon him, is reported to have received the Christians of Najran with kindness in his Masjid in Madinah. They argued with him about Islam, but he returned them with honor and respect. There are many examples from his life that show that he was the friendliest person to all people. (SOURCE (http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=8886))


And as Muhammad Asad writes: As regards the meaning of the "alliance" referred to here, see 3:28, and more particularly 4: 139 and the corresponding note, which explains the reference to a believer's loss of his moral identity if he imitates the way of life of, or-in Qur'anic terminology-"allies himself" with, non-Muslims. However, as has been made abundantly clear in 60: 7-9 (and implied in verse 57 of this Surah), this prohibition of a "moral alliance" with non-Muslims does not constitute an injunction against normal, friendly relations with such of them as are well-disposed towards Muslims. It should be borne in mind that the term wall has several shades of meaning: "ally", "friend", "helper", "protector", etc. The choice of the particular term - and sometimes a -combination of two terms-is always dependent on the context. (Asad, The Message of the Qur’an, emphasis added)

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=414&section=wel_islam&subsection=Misconceptions#19




(usually referred as kuffar, which could be translated as savages) are to be considered hostile.


A Kaafir is someone who rejects the truth, it also means to be ungrateful. The claim that it means 'savage' has no basis of it in the Shari'a, yet alone in the arabic language.





Non-Muslims are allowed very limited rights and only if they are monotheistic (“people of the book”), while punishment for fallowing polytheistic religion, such as Hinduism, is death. Any public speaking against Islam means death. Any preaching of other religion to Muslims means death.


And your proof for that is where exactly?




Quitting Islam means death, also.


Although the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) threatened the death penalty in response to the attempts against the Muslim community, no such executions took place in his time (Imam Shawkani, Nayl Al-Awtar, vol. 7, p. 192) even though there is a report that a Bedouin renounced Islam and left Madinah unharmed in his time (Fath Al-Bari vol. 4, p.77 and vol. 13 p. 170; Sahih Muslim biSharh An-Nawawi, vol. 9, p. 391). Thus, we find that context plays an important role in determining how to deal with apostates. The case of one who enlists nations to fight against the Islamic state is more serious, for example. That is why the scholars of the Hanafi school of thought felt that the punishment only applies to the male apostate and not the female apostate because the latter is unable to wage war against the Islamic state. If someone simply has some doubts concerning Islam, then those doubts can be clarified.

So an Islamic state is certainly justified in punishing those who betray the state, committing treason and support enemy forces. As for anyone else, if they do not publicly declare their rejection of Islam, the state has no interest in pursuing them; if their case does become public, however, then they should be reasoned with and educated concerning the religion so that they have the opportunity to learn the concepts they may not have understood properly and they can be encouraged to repent.

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=414&section=wel_islam&subsection=Misconceptions#28


We even see similar laws within the US for treason (i.e. death.)




Isn't it amazing morbius, that your OWN religion calls for the death penalty! Yet you choose to ignore that and attack Islaam?


Deuteronomy
Chapter 13
KJV

1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

[AbuAliTheRoman]

Of course not. But we should strive to be like that.
Not all Muslims have the virtues that Quran insists upon, either.
Hello there.

What Orthodox Church are you with e.g Greek, Syriac, Eastern etc.

Also, is there any differences between them?