Question about this Hadith used by Shia

[JayshAllah]

“Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shî`ah will be in Paradise.”

Sunni References:

1- Fadâ'il al-Sahâbah by Ahmad ibn Hanbal (v.2, p.655)
2- Hilyah al-Awliyâ' by Abu Nu`aym (v.4, p.329)
3- Tarîkh Baghdâd by al-Khatîb al-Baghdâdî (v.12, p.289)
4- Al-Awsat by al-Tabarânî
5- Majma` al-Zawâ'id by al-Haythami (v.10, pp.21-22)
6- Sunan al-Dâraqutnî by al-Darqutni, who said: "This tradition has been transmitted via numerous authorities."
7- Al-Sawâ`iq al-Muhriqah by Ibn Hajar al-Haytamî (ch.11, section 1, p.247)

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But it does not state directly whether or not the Hadith is authentic ? It implies that it is not authentic. Would this be a correct assumption?

[Um Abdullah M.]

this is what I found in majma' az zawa'id by al haythami
وعن أبى هريرة أن على بن أبى طالب رضى الله عنه قال يا رسول الله أيما أحب اليك أنا أم فاطمة قال فاطمة أحب إلى منك وأنت أعز على منها وكأني بك وأنت على حوضى تذود عنه الناس وان عليه لاباريق مثل عدد نجوم السماء وانى وأنت والحسن والحسين وفاطمة وعقيل وجعفر في الجنة اخوانا على سرر متقابلين أنت معى وشيعتك في الجنة ثم قرأ رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم (إخوانا على سرر متقابلين) لا ينظر أحد في قفا صاحبه.
رواه الطبراني في الاوسط وفيه سلمى بن عقبة ولم أعرفه ، وبقية رجاله ثقات.

it is not exactly the same wording of hadith you mentioned, it is longer but it has this part in it (you are with me and your shi'ah are in Paradise) similar to hadith above.
al haythami says after the narration: "narrated by at Tabarani in al Awsat and it contains (the chain of narration) Salma bin Uqbah and I didn't know him (meaning he is majhul to him) and the rest of its men are trustworthy."


I also found the hadith in "al Mawdu'at" by Ibn al Jawzi , the hadith says (you and your shia are in Paradise)

الحديث الحادى والخمسون في دخول شيعته الجنة: أنبأنا القزاز قال أنبأنا أحمد بن على حدثنا الحسن بن أبى طالب حدثنا أحمد بن إبراهيم حدثنا صالح بن أحمد بن يوسف البزاز حدثنا عصام بن الحكم حدثنا جميع بن عمير البصري حدثنا سوار عن محمد بن جحادة عن الشعبى عن على قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: " أنت وشيعتك في الجنة ".
هذا حديث لا يصح.
وسوار ليس بثقة.
قال ابن نمير: جميع من أكذب
الناس.
وقال ابن حبان: كان يضع الحديث.

Ibn al Jawzi rahimahu Allah said after the narration:
"This hadith is not authentic and siwar (a narrator in the chain) is not trustworthy.
Ibn Naumayr said: Jami' (a narrator in the chain) is a liar.
and Ibn Hibban said: he (Jami') used to fabricate hadith. "


at Tabarani, in al Awsat, has 2 narrations with "and your shi'ah are in Jannah" one of them is same as in majma' az zawa'id, but the interesting thing is that the 2nd one in which the exact wording mentioned above (Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shî`ah will be in Paradise) is not complete, the interesting part of it is what is not mentioned which includes the mentioning of people who will claim to love him and they are called "rafidah" and that if he meets them to fight them because they are mushrikeen, then he was asked what is their sign, in which he replied that they do not attend Jum'ah or pray in jama'h, and they attack the first salaf" (hadith #6793)
6793 - حدثنا محمد بن جعفر الإمام ابن الإمام ، نا الفضل بن غانم ، ثنا سوار بن مصعب ، عن عطية العوفي ، عن أبي سعيد الخدري ، عن أم سلمة ، قالت : كانت ليلتي ، وكان النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم عندي ، فأتته فاطمة ، فسبقها علي ، فقال له النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم : « يا علي أنت وأصحابك في الجنة ، أنت وشيعتك في الجنة ، إلا أنه ممن يزعم أنه يحبك أقوام يضفزون الإسلام ، ثم يلفظونه ، يقرأون القرآن لا يجاوز تراقيهم ، لهم نبز يقال لهم الرافضة ، فإن أدركتهم فجاهدهم ، فإنهم مشركون » . فقلت : يا رسول الله ، ما العلامة فيهم ؟ قال : « لا يشهدون جمعة ولا جماعة ، ويطعنون على السلف الأول » « لم يرو هذا الحديث عن عطية ، عن أبي سعيد ، عن أم سلمة إلا سوار بن مصعب »

note that I don't know the authenticity of this specific hadith, but I just mentioned it to show how they choose to mention a hadith that actually attacks them, just because it mentions about "shia of ali" in it, and they cut only that part to deceive ahl assunnah.
that is how wicked and corrupt they are.

the other narration I mentioned at the begining is a different one, which is all praise, but it was declared fabricated by Ibn al Jawzi, and al Haythami said that one narrator is not known to him.

If I find anything else regarding it I will post it insha Allah

[JayshAllah]

Imam al-Suyuti declared the Hadith a forgery in La'ali (1/379).

[Abu Maryam PK]

I think there is a research on it in the arabic ahlalhdeeth forum. I read it a couple of weeks back.

[JayshAllah]

I think there is a research on it in the arabic ahlalhdeeth forum. I read it a couple of weeks back.

Can you find it and translate it and put it here? Insha-Allah.

[Sawtul Islam]

“Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shî`ah will be in Paradise.”

Sunni References:

1- Fadâ'il al-Sahâbah by Ahmad ibn Hanbal (v.2, p.655)
2- Hilyah al-Awliyâ' by Abu Nu`aym (v.4, p.329)
3- Tarîkh Baghdâd by al-Khatîb al-Baghdâdî (v.12, p.289)
4- Al-Awsat by al-Tabarânî
5- Majma` al-Zawâ'id by al-Haythami (v.10, pp.21-22)
6- Sunan al-Dâraqutnî by al-Darqutni, who said: "This tradition has been transmitted via numerous authorities."
7- Al-Sawâ`iq al-Muhriqah by Ibn Hajar al-Haytamî (ch.11, section 1, p.247)

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The following website is helpful: http://www.islamtoday.com/show_detail_section.cfm?q_id=276&main_cat_id=37

But it does not state directly whether or not the Hadith is authentic ? It implies that it is not authentic. Would this be a correct assumption?

I dont see anything wrong with this Hadith.

The true followers of Ali (ra) are the Ahlus-Sunnah.