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JayshAllah
11th September 2007, 08:45 PM
Can someone please explain the following Hadith:


Saheeh Bukhari: Volumn 009, Book 087, Hadith Number 111.

...the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before...

One explanation I've heard is that this happened before suicide was declared Haram by the Shariah.

Another thing I read was on Jibril Haddad's website...it said that this was not Sahih even though it was in the Sahihayn...at least that's what I *think* it said. He said:

This conclusion [that the Sahihayn are 100% Sahih] excludes the chainless, broken-chained reports, or unattibuted reports sometimes adduced by al-Bukhari in his chapter-titles or appended to certain narrations. An example of the latter is the so-called "suicide hadith" - one of al-Zuhri's unattributive narrations (balaghat) which is actually broken-chained and therefore weak. It does not meet the criteria of hadith authenticity used by the lesser and greater hadith Masters, much less that of al-Bukhari who mentioned it only to show its discrepancy with two other chains whose versions omit the attempted suicide story, and Allah knows best.

The above conclusion is proof that the position that everything that is found in the two Sahihs is rigorously sound refers only to full-chained reports positively attributed to the Prophet MHMD, and Allah knows best.



source: http://www.livingislam.org/k/whb_e.html

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So which of the two explanations is correct? Or is there a third explanation? Is the event Sahih or not?

Thanks.

JayshAllah
12th September 2007, 06:44 AM
Bumpity Bump.

Um Abdullah M.
12th September 2007, 08:02 AM
It was discussed here:
http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=361

I advise you akhi to post your questions also in Multaqa ahl al hadith, meaning post them in both forums, just incase members of this forum are busy or don't have the answer, so you will either get it here or there insha Allah.

JayshAllah
12th September 2007, 08:41 AM
Barakh-Allah Feek sister. OK, I joined the forum. Insha-Allah I'll start posting there as well.

JayshAllah
12th September 2007, 08:47 AM
Could it not be that the phrase "throw himself from the tops of high mountains" was poetic in nature? For example, in English, we have the expression "I feel like dying", "go kill yourself", etc.. In English, you can actually say "I feel like throwing myself off a mountain" but that doesn't really mean you intend to do it, but rather it is a hyperbole to indicate how troubled you are.

Umm Ahmed
12th September 2007, 10:09 AM
Was this at the begining of the phrophethood ?

Yasir
12th September 2007, 11:03 AM
Was this at the begining of the phrophethood ?Yes, this was very early on, during the period when there was a pause in revelation. (Between the incident of Waraqah bin Nawfal and revelation of the verses of Surah al-Muddathir).

Umm Ahmed
12th September 2007, 12:08 PM
Yes, this was very early on, during the period when there was a pause in revelation. (Between the incident of Waraqah bin Nawfal and revelation of the verses of Surah al-Muddathir).

JazakAllaahu Khayran thats helpful.