Comments: Sheikh Muhammad Ibn 'Abdil-Wahhaab

[Anonymous]

Asyaduna al-akramin. Amin.
Rasul-Ullah (S) said:"Allahumma, bless Yemen, Allahumma, bless Sham." He was asked: "And what about Najd?" He answered: "From Najd Shaytan’s horn will rise."
He (S) also said: "Beware of Shaykhu-n-Najdi, since he is Shaytan."
He (S) also said: &quot;There will be people who come from the eastern side of Arabia who will recite Koran, but their recitation will not pass beyond their collarbones. They will go out of Islam as swiftly as the arrow goes through the prey. Their sign is shaving their heads.&quot;</p>

Also I recommend you read a book called 'the confessions of a British spy' where a spy for Britain confesses to have manipulated and seduced the man known by*******many as Sheikh un Najdi, yet you go around telling people Abdul Wahhab of Najd was a great man. Astaghfirullah, have you not read where then Prophet was asked who will enter paradise out of the 73 sects, the Prophet, pbuh, replied those who follow me and my Ashab, this means the Ahle Sunnah wa-Jama'at. As for ibn Saud he was a murderer and a bandit.
May Allah curse the Saudis for spilling the blood of Muslims in the holy precinct of Mecca and Medina.******* </p>

[Mansoor Ali]

Rasul-Ullah (S) said:&quot;Allahumma, bless Yemen, Allahumma, bless Sham.&quot; He was asked: &quot;And what about Najd?&quot; He answered: &quot;From Najd Shaytan’s horn will rise.&quot; </p>

This hadeeth does not refer to the Najd that is famously known in Saudi Arabi today, but*******it refers to Iraq.</p>

The scholars who referred this hadeeth to Iraaq were: al-Khattaabee, al-Kirmaanee, al-Aynee, an-Nawawee, ibn Hajr and others.</p>

Saalim bin Abdullaah bin Umar said: O people of Iraaq, how strange is it that you ask about the minor sins but commit the major sins? [The killing of al-Husayn] I heard my father, Abdullaah bin Umar narrating that he heard the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, saying while pointing his hand to the east: &quot;Indeed the turmoil would come from this side, from where appear the horns of Satan and you would strike the necks of one another…&quot;</p>

The hadeeth of ibn Umar Reported by Abu Nu`aym in al-Hilya (6/133), &quot;O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Madeenah, and bestow your blessings on our Mecca, and bestow your blessings on our Shaam, and bestow your blessings on our Yemen, and bestow your blessings in our measuring (fee saa`inaa wa muddinaa).&quot; A person said, &quot; O Messenger of Allaah and in our Iraaq&quot; and so he turned away from him and said, &quot;there will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations and there will appear the horn of Satan.&quot; </p>

[Anonymous]

muhammad ibn abdul wahhab was born 1703 C.E. and died in 1792 C.E now the question is what year did this spy make contact with this 'Sheikh un Najdi'? according to the memoirs the spy made contact with 'sheikh un najdi' in 1713 C.E which would make muhammad ibn abdul wahhab only 10 years old at the time! also the author of the memoir is unknown. the name DOB and DOD and date of publication are unknown.</p>



now just because the later ibn sauds of the 1900's decided to abandon the mission of muhammad ibn abdul wahhab which was jihad, in favour of nationalism and befreinding the british who at the time*******were the*******greatest enemy of islam does not necassarily mean that early 'wahhabism' is what is bieng reffered to as 'Shaytan’s horn' *******</p>



one of the ways in which early 'wahhabism' endures is*******through the actions and beliefs of jihad movements. and this early 'wahhabism' inspired a jihad against the british*******even in far-off places*******such as south asia where some 18th century wahhabis immigrated to in order to help*******counter british colonialism by preaching jihad against it.</p>



more recently*******the mujahideen who would one day form and become the taliban and alqaida were*******regarded as the most active and fiercest of all mujahideen during the afghan-soviet war. their 'fanatiscm' was due to wahhabi rhetoric and ideals, which are now more manifest in the current war against the US and its coalition partners.*******</p>



coincidentaly these memoirs were given a new lease of life, post 9/11 as if to*******affirm orientalist*******claims that 'wahhabism' was the cause of it.</p>

[gag order]

muhammad ibn abdul wahhab was born 1703 C.E. and died in 1792 C.E now the question is what year did this spy make contact with this 'Sheikh un Najdi'? according to the memoirs the spy made contact with 'sheikh un najdi' in 1713 C.E which would make muhammad ibn abdul wahhab only 10 years old at the time! also the author of the memoir is unknown. the name DOB and DOD and date of publication are unknown.</p>

*******</p>

now just because the later ibn sauds of the 1900's decided to abandon the mission of muhammad ibn abdul wahhab which was jihad, in favour of nationalism and befreinding the british who at the time*******were the*******greatest enemy of islam does not necassarily mean that early 'wahhabism' is what is bieng reffered to as 'Shaytan’s horn' *******</p>

*******</p>

one of the ways in which early 'wahhabism' endures is*******through the actions and beliefs of jihad movements. and this early 'wahhabism' inspired a jihad against the british*******even in far-off places*******such as south asia where some 18th century wahhabis immigrated to in order to help*******counter british colonialism by preaching jihad against it.</p>

*******</p>

more recently*******the mujahideen who would one day form and become the taliban and alqaida were*******regarded as the most active and fiercest of all mujahideen during the afghan-soviet war. their 'fanatiscm' was due to wahhabi rhetoric and ideals, which are now more manifest in the current war against the US and its coalition partners.*******</p>

*******</p>

coincidentaly these memoirs were given a new lease of life, post 9/11 as if to*******affirm orientalist*******claims that 'wahhabism' was the cause of it.</p>

[Abu Nihla]

I ask u Akh Gag Order,</p>



Are u in denial that Shaikh Imam Abdul Wahaab rahimahullah*******did not know that the Al Saud family were in co-operation with the Brits?</p>



Are you also in denial that the weaponry that was used by the followers of the Imam (Abdul-Wahaab)*******came frm the Brits and that infact the Imam (Abdul-Wahaab) fought against other Muslims who did not embrace his Madhaab?</p>

[Anonymous]

&quot;Are u in denial that Shaikh Imam Abdul Wahaab rahimahullah*******did not know that the Al Saud family were in co-operation with the Brits&quot;? muhammad ibn abdul wahhab was born 1703 C.E. and died in 1792 C.E now the question is what year did this spy make contact with this 'Sheikh un Najdi'? according to the memoirs the spy made contact with 'sheikh un najdi' in 1713 C.E which would make muhammad ibn abdul wahhab only 10 years old at the time!</p>

</p>

&quot;Imam (Abdul-Wahaab) fought against other Muslims who did not embrace his Madhaab?&quot; may be the 'other muslims' attacked him first for his preaching tawhid and sharia!</p>



what period (in saudi chronology) did the british make contact with ibn saud?</p>



when was the the first recorded presence of the british in the peninsula?</p>



may be you are confusing the events between 1900 and 1932? the period in which the ibn sauds entered in to a pact with britain against the ottomans. muhammad ibn abdul wahhab who died in 1792 C.E is not responsible for this you will not find this in his teachings. </p>



i hold the opinion that the saudi monarchy is deserving to be removed by force of arms (i dont know if you agree) </p>



but do you accept that there is a world of difference between the saudisalafis and the message of muhammad ibn abdul wahhab? this fundamental difference is evidenced by the war bieng fought by the saudisalafis against the wahhabist jihadis so it is unfair that you tar everyone with the same brush. **************</p>

[Abu Nihla]

1788 The Wahabis occupied Kuweit tell me when did the Kuwaitis fight the Wahabis prior to that. Just for the record between his birth and death and just before and after his alligience to al-saud how many wars were fought by the Wahibis against other Muslims of different madhahid or in-search of power?</p>



I agree that Imam Abdul-Wahab himself never made contacts with the Brits but we all agree that the Brits made contacts with the al-saud family and suplied them with weapons and the ruling madhab was that of Imam Abdul-Wahaab rahimahullah and after his son didn't they the scholars support this wars???</p>



It's like now telling me Bin Baaz new about nothing that the Govt of Saud was leasing the holy land to the Kuffar to kill fellow Muslims. It's ironical that the present day salafi of saud are fighting the wahabis but i ask which wahabi thought? The entire Saudi say they are wahabi and infact it's the saudi govt that promoted Imam Abdul Wahaab rahimahullah.</p>



As bin Baaz made a mistake so did Imam Abdul Wahaab so stop hiding or denying that very fact. The Deen is Nasiha and scholars make mistakes.</p>



By the way, i agree the Saudi govt shld not exist.</p>

[Abuz Zubair]

As-Salaamu ‘alaikum,</p>



Dear brother Abu Nihla, I think you need to familiarise yourself with the basics of Arabian Peninsula’s history.</p>



The British did not appear on the scene except during the 3rd Saudi state. Although, in the history books there is reference to the British during the first Saudi state, but that was restricted to the British congratulating Muhammad Ali Pasha’s army upon razing Dar’iyah to ground, capturing Imam ibn Sau’d’s and Ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhab’s descendants and executing them in a barbaric fashion.</p>



Secondly, the Wahhabis never fought against the Muslims. They fought against pagans grave-worshippers. I don’t think you will disagree that one of the foremost obligation of an Islamic state is to eradicate polytheism. Nor do I believe you would consider those who call upon other than Allah as Muslims.</p>



Thirdly, even the third Saudi state was never funded by the British in any sense of the word. Although, Abd al-Aziz did try to contact the British at many occasions, but the British were more interested in Sharif of Makkah. Yes, the 3rd Saudi state did enter into an agreement with the British that they will prevent the Ottomans from attacking Saudis from Bahrain, while the Saudis are engaged in campaigns against Aal al-Rashid.</p>



Forget about Ibn Baz’s or Ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhab’s so-called mistakes as you claimed, you definitely made some blunders with respect to basic historical facts*******in your posts.</p>



wasalam</p>

[Abu Nihla]

Trying to look as the learned one yea! Well my history is correct the differences with yours is only which books do you think are authentic or not? I wont waste my time discussing historical facts.</p>



Imam Abdul-Wahaab like Bin Baaz made blunders and that's the bottom line. May Allah accept from them and give them Janna ameen.</p>



Imam Abdul-Wahab fought Muslims and he also might have fought*******against the*******non-Muslims that denied to adhere to his Madhab period.******* You say the responsibilty of the Islamic state is to fight kufr i ask you my noble learned friend which Islamic*******state was Imam Abdul-Wahaab presenting???</p>



You must stop being in denial. This are established facts. Imam Abdul-Wahaab rahimahullah did blunder by helping weakening the Islamic state either materialy or by his teachings or his followers either way you wonna take it.</p>



Wasalaam alaikum.</p>



I wont waste my time givin you references becouse if i give them, you will say they are HT propaganda.</p>

[Anonymous]

The leaders of the Uthmani State were commiting all sorts of shirk and kufr.</p>



http://www.islamicawakening.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=721 (viewtopic.php?t=721)</p>

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

As bin Baaz made a mistake so did Imam Abdul Wahaab so stop hiding or denying that very fact. The Deen is Nasiha and scholars make mistakes.</p>


easy to say about salafi scholars but not your own:

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=2237

[1mran]

Trying to look as the learned one yea! Well my history is correct the differences with yours is only which books do you think are authentic or not? I wont waste my time discussing historical facts.</p>



Imam Abdul-Wahaab like Bin Baaz made blunders and that's the bottom line. May Allah accept from them and give them Janna ameen.</p>



Imam Abdul-Wahab fought Muslims and he also might have fought*against the*non-Muslims that denied to adhere to his Madhab period.* You say the responsibilty of the Islamic state is to fight kufr i ask you my noble learned friend which Islamic*state was Imam Abdul-Wahaab presenting???</p>



You must stop being in denial. This are established facts. Imam Abdul-Wahaab rahimahullah did blunder by helping weakening the Islamic state either materialy or by his teachings or his followers either way you wonna take it.</p>



Wasalaam alaikum.</p>



I wont waste my time givin you references becouse if i give them, you will say they are HT propaganda.</p>

i thought he fought agaisnt those who practised shirk? things like worshipping graves!!

if u are refering to mistakes in rulings, well thats the nature of man. we make mistakes. but if they made errors, it was normally in ijtihaad, and you must be aware of the hadith concerning this!

what madhab did muhammad ibn abdul wahhab follow exactly? and how was he forcing people to follow it?

have you actually read any of his books? or is this just something ur herd from some1:rolleyes:

Allah Knows Best

[sunnih]

easy to say about salafi scholars but not your own:

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=2237

Bro. How can you speak of "sheikh 007" and his "detailed book of sirah"??????

Soon you will see that it might become "Imam 007".

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

lol! ;)

nice points 1mran