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Abou_Tourab
15th September 2007, 10:04 PM
salamalaikoum

Can someone share some tafasir of this verse ? surat An Nur : 35

Some ulama speak of "uncreated light"

Abu Jalfrezi
15th September 2007, 11:05 PM
Tafsir Ibn Kathir:

`Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas said: (Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth.) means, the Guide of the inhabitants of the heavens and the earth.

Ibn Jurayj said: "Mujahid and Ibn `Abbas said concerning the Ayah: (Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth.) He is controlling their affairs and their stars and sun and moon.''

As-Suddi said concerning the Ayah: (Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth.) by His Light the heavens and earth are illuminated.

In the Two Sahihs, it is recorded that Ibn 'Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "When the Messenger of Allah got up to pray at night, he would say: (O Allah, to You be praise, You are the Sustainer of heaven and earth and whoever is in them. To You be praise, You are the Light of the heavens and the earth and whoever is in them. )

It was narrated that Ibn Mas`ud said, "There is no night or day with your Lord; the Light of the Throne comes from the Light of His Face.''

(The parable of His Light) There are two views concerning the meaning of the pronoun (His).

The first is that it refers to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, meaning that the parable of His guidance in the heart of the believer is (as a niche) This was the view of Ibn `Abbas.

The second view is that the pronoun refers to the believer, which is indicated by the context of the words and implies that the parable of the light in the heart of the believer is as a niche. So the heart of the believer and what he is naturally inclined to of guidance and what he learns of the Qur'an which is in accordance with his natural inclinations are, as Allah says:

(Can they who rely on a clear proof from their Lord, and whom a witness from Him recites it (can they be equal with the disbelievers)) [11:17]. The heart of the believer in its purity and clarity is likened to a lamp in transparent and jewel-like glass, and the Qur'an and Shari`ah by which it is guided are likened to good, pure, shining oil in which there is no impurity or deviation.

(as (if there were) a niche) Ibn 'Abbas, Mujahid, Muhammad bin Ka`b and others said, "This refers to the position of the wick in the lamp.'' This is well-known, and hence Allah then says: (and within it a lamp.) This is the flame that burns brightly. Or it was said that the niche is a niche in the house. This is the parable given by Allah of obedience towards Him. Allah calls obedience to Him as light, then He calls it by other numerous names as well. Ubayy bin Ka`b said, "The lamp is the light, and this refers to the Qur'an and the faith that is in his heart.'' As-Suddi said, "It is the lamp.''

(the lamp is in a glass,) means, this light is shining in a clear glass. Ubayy bin Ka`b and others said, "This is the likeness of the heart of the believer.''

(the glass as it were a star Durriyyun,) Some authorities recite the word Durriyyun with a Dammah on the Dal and without a Hamzah, which means pearls, i.e., as if it were a star made of pearls (Durr). Others recite it as Dirri'un or Durri'un, with a Kasrah on the Dal, or Dammah on the Dal, and with a Hamzah at the end, which means reflection (Dir'), because if something is shone on the star it becomes brighter than at any other time. The Arabs call the stars they do not know Darari. Ubayy bin Ka`b said: a shining star. Qatadah said: "Huge, bright and clear.''

(lit from a blessed tree,) means, it is derived from olive oil, from a blessed tree.

(an olive,) This refers to the blessed tree mentioned previously.

(neither of the east nor of the west,) means, it is not in the eastern part of the land so that it does not get any sun in the first part of the day, nor is it in the western part of the land so that it is shaded from the sun before sunset, but it is in a central position where it gets sun from the beginning of the day until the end, so its oil is good and pure and shining.

Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ibn `Abbas commented on:(an olive, neither of the east nor of the west,) "This is a tree in the desert which is not shaded by any other tree or mountain or cave, nothing covers it, and this is best for its oil.''

Mujahid commented on: (neither of the east nor of the west, ) saying; "It is not in the east where it will get no sun when the sun sets, nor is it in the west where it will get no sun when the sun rises, but it is in a position where it will get sun both at sunrise and sunset.''

Sa`id bin Jubayr commented: (an olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself)) "This is the best kind of oil. When the sun rises it reaches the tree from the east and when it sets it reaches it from the west, so the sun reaches it morning and evening, so it is not counted as being in the east or in the west.''

(whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself), though no fire touched it.) `Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam said (this means) because the oil itself is shining.

(Light upon Light!) Al-`Awfi narrated from Ibn `Abbas that this meant the faith and deeds of a person.

As-Suddi said: (Light upon Light!) "Light of the fire and the light of the oil: when they are combined they give light, and neither of them can give light without the other. Similarly the light of the Qur'an and the light of faith give light when they are combined, and neither can do so without the other.''

(Allah guides to His Light whom He wills.) means, Allah shows the way to the ones whom He chooses, as it says in the Hadith recorded by Imam Ahmad from `Abdullah bin `Amr, who said, "I heard the Messenger of Allah say: (Allah created His creation in darkness, then on the same day He sent His Light upon them. Whoever was touched by His Light on that day will be guided and whoever was missed will be led astray. Hence I say: the pens have dried in accordance with the knowledge of Allah, may He be glorified.)''

(And Allah sets forth parables for mankind, and Allah is All-Knower of everything.) Having mentioned this parable of the Light of His guidance in the heart of the believer, Allah ends this Ayah with the words:

(And Allah sets forth parables for mankind, and Allah is All-Knower of everything.) meaning, He knows best who deserves to be guided and who deserves to be led astray. Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said, "The Messenger of Allah said: (Hearts are of four kinds: the heart that is clear like a shining lamp; the heart that is covered and tied up; the heart that is upside-down; and the heart that is clad in armor. As for the clear heart, it is the heart of the believer in which is a lamp filled with light; as for the covered heart, this is the heart of the disbeliever; as for the upside-down heart, this is the heart of the hypocrite, who recognizes then denies; as for the armor-clad heart, this is the heart in which there is both faith and hypocrisy. The parable of the faith in it is that of legume, a sprout that is irrigated with good water, and the likeness of the hypocrisy in it is that of sores that are fed by blood and pus. Whichever of the two prevails is the characteristic that will dominate.) Its chain of narrators is good (Jayyid) although they (Al-Bukhari and Muslim) did not record it.

Abou_Tourab
16th September 2007, 01:09 AM
barakAllah fik

What about this qawl ? http://www.binbaz.org.sa/index.php?pg=mat&type=fatawa&id=249

Abuz Zubair
16th September 2007, 01:30 AM
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</o> ‘Blasphemy’ #1: God is the light of the heavens and the earth

Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> “God is the light of the heavens and earth.”
We don’t literally believe that God is the light of the heavens and the earth. We also know, if this phrase is metaphorical, it can no longer be taken literally. Abd-Allah ibn Abbas said that this verse means God is the Guider of the people of the Heavens and the Earth. Hence, since we know it’s metaphorical, we know that we can’t take it literally anymore. </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
This is blasphemous only according to your Jahmi beliefs, which is contrary to al-Ash’ari’s belief in Maqalat al-Islamiyyin as also confirmed by al-Qurtubi. Al-Ash’ari clearly states that Allah is light, but not like any other light, just as He has a face not like any other face, etc.

This is not only due to the verse, but also many other ahadeeth where clear reference is made to Allah’s light. From such ahadeeth is the Prophet seeking refuge from the light of Allah’s face.

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showpost.php?p=28188&postcount=67

asharee_salafi
16th September 2007, 07:45 PM
AZ,

What about a statement from a companion that it refers to Allah's guidance, or is that stamenet NOT refuting the dhair?

If someone said, 'show me the light' the dhair fromthis is that he don't mean a light but guidance.

U get me?

asharee_salafi
17th September 2007, 10:43 PM
May I also add,

a quick question on metaphor,

your right we understand things upon the dhair,

if I said that the long arm of the law was acting against us, the dhair would be that the law encompasses all, not that the law has an arm.

So when Allah said he hand was over their hands, am I right in thinking that the dhair is one of strength, but NOT that Allah has a hand in THIS INSTANCE, Rather we know that Allah has a hand because of what he mentioned when he created Adam with his two hands?

Thanks

hearandobey
17th September 2007, 11:35 PM
i'd like to know more about the dhahir/metaphor issues as well inshallah. do we take everything in the quran as dhahir or are there things that are metaphoric? an ashari was arguing with my husband and he said that the qur'an has a lot of metaphors and he cited "rabbi ashrah li sadri" as an example, saying that our chests can't literally expand? what is the position of ahlus sunnah? jazakallah khayran.

ali
18th September 2007, 12:35 AM
i'd like to know more about the dhahir/metaphor issues as well inshallah. do we take everything in the quran as dhahir or are there things that are metaphoric? an ashari was arguing with my husband and he said that the qur'an has a lot of metaphors and he cited "rabbi ashrah li sadri" as an example, saying that our chests can't literally expand? what is the position of ahlus sunnah? jazakallah khayran.

refer to this thread under the name al-izaaree

http://uiforum.uaeforum.org/showthread.php?t=6361

Um Abdullah M.
18th September 2007, 06:40 AM
i'd like to know more about the dhahir/metaphor issues as well inshallah. do we take everything in the quran as dhahir or are there things that are metaphoric? an ashari was arguing with my husband and he said that the qur'an has a lot of metaphors and he cited "rabbi ashrah li sadri" as an example, saying that our chests can't literally expand? what is the position of ahlus sunnah? jazakallah khayran.

in addition to the link bro ali posted
you can read about it in my blog http://umabdullah.wordpress.com
under the category "definitions of terminology"

asharee_salafi
19th September 2007, 05:04 PM
as wr wb,

sooo.......

Um Abdullah, any incline on my questions pls :)

Um Abdullah M.
19th September 2007, 07:07 PM
So when Allah said he hand was over their hands, am I right in thinking that the dhair is one of strength, but NOT that Allah has a hand in THIS INSTANCE, Rather we know that Allah has a hand because of what he mentioned when he created Adam with his two hands?


yes,
and there is actually 2 sayings regarding this:
1_ that it means bay'ah
2_ strength

asharee_salafi
22nd September 2007, 08:55 PM
thanks so much Sister!

just to clarify then, the aya, i.e from what is dhair does not indicate Allahhaving hands, rather an aya like Allah creating Adam AS with his two hands is a proof Allahhas hands.

in your free time, if you don't mind, can you answer this ?

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?p=50737&posted=1#post50737

thanks.

Abu Maryam PK
22nd September 2007, 09:25 PM
For a correct understanding of Dhahir, read umm abdillah's excellent post on her blog.

justabro
14th November 2007, 09:34 PM
AZ,

What about a statement from a companion that it refers to Allah's guidance, or is that stamenet NOT refuting the dhair?

If someone said, 'show me the light' the dhair fromthis is that he don't mean a light but guidance.

U get me?


Some salaf did mention guidance in explanation of this verse as that is part of what is meant by "Allah is the Light of the Heavens and the Earth". The Salaf in their tafsir would oftentimes point out some important meanings, examples, or implications, not intending by that to limit the verse's meaning. For this reason, even though the Salaf make Tafsir bil-Lazim, they still understand the literal meaning, unlike Ahl al-Kalam, who use Tafsir bil-Lazim to negate the dhahir meaning. For example, no doubt the quality of Mercy will lead one to will good for others, but the word Rahmah is not equivalent to Iradat al-Khayr.