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khan4canada
6th November 2007, 08:37 PM
I want to marriage with Saudi woman is thwart any matrimonial centers there need Help
Magoo
6th November 2007, 09:38 PM
this isnt shaadi.com
Abu Ma'mar
6th November 2007, 10:21 PM
bro, why do you want to marry a saudi ? They will just give you bad attitude and if there najdi then they are some of the most mentally backward people .
When ever i think of beduins i think of them.
Disclaimer before people go nuts: Im talking about the bad ones im not saying all saudi's are like that or all najdi's . not at all. only the die hard faasiq ones.
Um Abdullah M.
6th November 2007, 10:33 PM
[QUOTE]When ever i think of beduins i think of them.
They are not beduins since they live in the city.
Beduins are ones who live in badiya, not in cities.
Disclaimer before people go nuts: Im talking about the bad ones im not saying all saudi's are like that or all najdi's . not at all. only the die hard faasiq ones.
and why did you specify the fasiqs from Najd to be the most "mentally backward people" ?
Why not ones from hijaz or anywhere else in KSA?
Abu Ma'mar
6th November 2007, 10:46 PM
They are not beduins since they live in the city.
Beduins are ones who live in badiya, not in cities.
i didnt say they were beduins and its not about the area its the mentality.
and why did you specify the fasiqs from Najd to be the most "mentally backward people"
sis in all honesty seeing is believing... . go to qasim and tell me what you think
oh and btw i didnt say "The most mentally backward " i said "some of the most mentally backward people"
Abu Ilyas
8th November 2007, 03:10 AM
It is very noticeable that many average Najdis are very hard to deal with people..arrogant, rude and racist...yes, i think it is very much to do with their relatively recent Bedouin origins (I see that as an excuse for them).
Abu Ma'mar
8th November 2007, 03:30 AM
Exactly bro.
Why do you think the majority of martyrdom ops in iraaq are done by Najdi saudi's ?
There all ready angry people. Add that with deen and of course your gona get fire works.
Skillganon
8th November 2007, 03:52 AM
Its very nice to know that our dear brothers here like bad mouthing and exaggerating about their fellow brethren.
Anyway it is quite astonishing that this typication are also attributed to salafi dawah.
You all should get a clap on the back for time well spent.
Brother_Mujahid
8th November 2007, 03:56 AM
Its very nice to know that our dear brothers here like bad mouthing and exaggerating about their fellow brethren.
Anyway it is quite astonishing that this typication are also attributed to salafi dawah.
You all should get a clap on the back for time well spent.
So we should compound alleged ethnic prejudice with sectarian bigotry? Why am I suddenly reminded about black pots and kettles?
Hamza
8th November 2007, 06:20 AM
Why do you think the majority of martyrdom ops in iraaq are done by Najdi saudi's ?
You think it's because they married these really angry najdi women? Maybe you should marry a najdi - might help you become a man :)
Abu Ma'mar
8th November 2007, 06:29 AM
You think it's because they married these really angry najdi women? Maybe you should marry a najdi - might help you become a man :)
me marry a Najdi ? akhi there's laws against that sort of thing :)
Abu Maysara
12th November 2007, 10:00 AM
well, the laws according to the land that is called saudia arabia prohibits a saudi citizen from marrying a non saudi citizen and if it happens anyway, then the saudi citizenship will be lost.
Um Abdullah M.
12th November 2007, 01:42 PM
I don't think so.
for saudi woman to marry a non Saudi, she needs a tasreeh (permission), and if she gets it then she can, as long as her wali accepts the guy of course.
It is same for both men and women.
Recently a Saudi woman named Haifah married an American convert, he works in the American Consulate in the Eastern province, she recieved permission, and didn't lose her citizenship.
She also has a sister who is married to someone from UK.
Um Abdullah M.
12th November 2007, 01:49 PM
The problem isn't much with the permission part, it is usually with the woman's family, many families would not accept giving their daughters to someone out of their tribe or city let alone from outside of KSA.
and this is common in some Arab countries, even in my home country very few would give their daughters to a foreigner.
Abu Maysara
13th November 2007, 01:59 AM
what i mentioned is what i was told bya brother that was himself involved in this.,
regarding a saudi woman marrying an american dimplomat, well,i am not surprised, they may give special permission for people from "friendly countries " .
Umm Ahmed
13th November 2007, 03:48 AM
Its better generally speaking, to marry someone from your own country.
Abu Maysara
13th November 2007, 09:46 AM
Its better generally speaking, to marry someone from your own country.
well it depends, generally speaking it could as well be better to marry someone outside ones country, strengthen the bound between Muslims from different tribes, countries, instead of ,in some cases, please parents who are ignorant in the Deen, they are the ones that in most cases encourage their sons/daughters to marry from their own country,tribe...
Umm Ahmed
13th November 2007, 12:05 PM
You dont get homesick if your both from the same country. Your eating habits are the similar , you can speak the same language so no room for misunderstandings.
I'm a parent I am not ignorant in the deen, I dont want my daughters to be in an other country.
Abu Maysara
13th November 2007, 01:10 PM
You dont get homesick if your both from the same country. Your eating habits are the similar , you can speak the same language so no room for misunderstandings.
I'm a parent I am not ignorant in the deen, I dont want my daughters to be in an other country.
Allahul Must'aan.
unfortunately, you are looking at the issue at hand from a pure Duniya perspective, may Allah swt guide us all
homesick, eating habits, languages (we should all strive to learn and speak arabic anyway)
what about your daughters making hijra elsewhere with their husbands?
Umm Ahmed
13th November 2007, 01:40 PM
A dunia perspective ? Allaah ulmustaan indeed , are we to be miserable ? didn't our beloved Phrophet take the easy way in some situations ?
Isn't one of the conditions of marriage to look after a wifes needs as well as the husbands ? Its the wife who usually moves to the husbands country in a lot of cases.
I am not living in the west brother . My children are native Arabic speakers.
Walk a mile in someone else's shoes then judge .
You might think food is something trivial but its not , say your a rice person but you have to eat potatoes everyday, as thats whats expected on the table .
There has to be some compatibility between spouses , with deen as its base.
hearandobey
13th November 2007, 06:21 PM
i agree with sis umm ahmed. my parents are from two different countries and my husband is asian, but because we both grew up in the west we were able to get along with eachother very well alhamdulilah. i know of a sister that is married to a pakistani and he does NOT like her food (she is english), they live right next to his parents, so he goes to his parents to eat!
it's not just the food, it's many things. yes, it's good when muslims from different countries get together, but there are other things to be considered as well. and just like umm ahmed said, DEEN is the base.
Um Abdullah M.
13th November 2007, 08:03 PM
If they are from different countries they have to have a similar way of thinking and way of life, and they don't differ very much on most issues, or there will be many conflicts after marriage.
Me and my husband are from 2 different Arab countries, but our cultures dont' differ much, actually culture doesn't matter much to me and him, and we agree on most things alhamdulillah.
hearandobey
13th November 2007, 08:10 PM
ukhti um abdullah, that was what i was trying to say as well mashallah. also, one has to keep in mind that it's not just about marrying someone, in-laws are included too!
ummghazi
13th November 2007, 08:25 PM
Its better generally speaking, to marry someone from your own country.
A dunia perspective ? Allaah ulmustaan indeed , are we to be miserable ? didn't our beloved Phrophet take the easy way in some situations ?
Isn't one of the conditions of marriage to look after a wifes needs as well as the husbands ? Its the wife who usually moves to the husbands country in a lot of cases.
I am not living in the west brother . My children are native Arabic speakers.
Walk a mile in someone else's shoes then judge .
You might think food is something trivial but its not , say your a rice person but you have to eat potatoes everyday, as thats whats expected on the table .
There has to be some compatibility between spouses , with deen as its base.
This has to be the most depressing statement that a revert can hear, and if no one from your own land has converted to islam except u, and the rest of the ummah are restricting themselves to "their own kind" then it just excludes certain members of the ummah from ever being married.
Alhamdulillah the sahabba didnt have the same ideas, or Islam never would have spread around the world, i mean how did they cope eating noodles with their chinese wives, or fish in cyprus instead of camel and mutton from saudia ... its not so tough having to eat new foods, and getting to know and accomodate other peoples cultures, the prophet salAllahu alleyhi wa salam accepted some of the ways and customs of the ansar over the customs of the quraish surely we should do the same.
Take the best of each persons cultural ways, and accomodate that with the deen at the centre of marriage. Because not everyone is blessed with being born to a muslim family and a community with the same culture as them. They are then essentially rejected on the basis of the land of their birth which is somthing that is completely out of their control.
hearandobey
13th November 2007, 09:11 PM
sis ummghazi, i think that umm ahmed didn't mean that inshallah. obviously for converts, it's a different situation, but even they can find people that are closer to how they are be they from the country they're from or a foreign one. the point that the sister was stressing was marrying someone of your like because that's what's important in the long run. yes the deen is important and is the centre of everything but i know of quite a few marriages that were based on just the deen and other factors were ignored and they weren't quite successful, i'm not saying this is the case for everyone but when you compare that to the marriages that were based on the deen and people marrying those that were closer/similar to them in their nature/personality/culture etc. you find that the latter has more success, wallahu a'lam.
Abu Maysara
13th November 2007, 10:10 PM
honestly speaking, the ones that have the Deen and the akhlaaq are to be preferred irrespective ethnic background.
i do understand fully the view that is expressed here if we forget going out fi sabilillah for Da'wa and Jihaad, where in many cases one will bring the spouse with him.
is this duniya all about having ones relatives close by, eating right food, being able to have a discussion in the "right" language?
its not only a problem for those brothers/sisters that are reverts,to find a suitable person to marry if all muslims got this kind of attitude, it can even be a problem for other brothers /sisters from different ethnic background to marry if their background is deemed to be "lower" than the other side, as an example; how easy would it be for a bangladeshi/pakistani brother to marry a sister from for example saudiarabia? in the Deen its perfectly fine but according to traditions and habits its a big no no.
what is more prevailing?
khayr inshAllah
it is somewhat depressing the situation of us muslims today but we need to realize that there are some disasters that we brought upon ourselves, subhanAllah, read only the story of the sahabi Julaybib radiAllahu a'nhu and then you may realize what marriage really is based upon and may Allah swt guide us all
Scented Blood
14th November 2007, 04:32 AM
I wonder what Khan4canada is thinking...
'I ask for a wife and i get a discussion!'?
Umm Ahmed
14th November 2007, 04:37 AM
Oh my goodness . I am a revert ummghazi and I am speaking from experience , we have had many cases of sisters leaving their husbands ( with the children ) because after the shine the little things do matter .
Also please don't misunderstand me I am not saying you should take from the same ethnic group but from at least the same country.
This is not a perfect world and people are certainly not perfect and marriage is a constant work in progress.
Not everyone can sit in an other country far from home , when brothers and sisters make hijra they are attracted to people like themselves that speak the same language and they build little communities that support one an other. This is human nature we are social beings as well.
Anwar awlaki and other lecturer's have spoken about this topic because they are the ones that are approached for help in these matters.
Abu Maysara read how the beloved Phrophet was with his wifes to know about marriage , he would run , smile and joke with them too.
When Rasool Allaah went to Umm salama she named her faults, he allayed her fears, when the woman who had three proposals went to the Phrophet asking his advice , the men were sahabahs! but he spoke of their non compatibility.
And Allaah knows best.
May Allaah bless you all with pious spouses and long marriages ameen.
ummghazi
14th November 2007, 09:15 AM
Oh my goodness . I am a revert ummghazi and I am speaking from experience , we have had many cases of sisters leaving their husbands ( with the children ) because after the shine the little things do matter .
Also please don't misunderstand me I am not saying you should take from the same ethnic group but from at least the same country.
This is not a perfect world and people are certainly not perfect and marriage is a constant work in progress.
Not everyone can sit in an other country far from home , when brothers and sisters make hijra they are attracted to people like themselves that speak the same language and they build little communities that support one an other. This is human nature we are social beings as well.
Anwar awlaki and other lecturer's have spoken about this topic because they are the ones that are approached for help in these matters.
Abu Maysara read how the beloved Phrophet was with his wifes to know about marriage , he would run , smile and joke with them too.
When Rasool Allaah went to Umm salama she named her faults, he allayed her fears, when the woman who had three proposals went to the Phrophet asking his advice , the men were sahabahs! but he spoke of their non compatibility.
And Allaah knows best.
May Allaah bless you all with pious spouses and long marriages ameen.
well there the problem though, u say ..not from the same enthnic group but at least from the same country... then u say ..when people make hijra they are attracted to people like themselves that speak the same language and they build little communities that support one an other...so how will people in the same country have the same culture when they dont take on the culture in the land they migrate too.
i have seen this situation, those who migrated to a british island, like to stick to their own kind as u said, arabs for arabs, asians for asians, africans for africans, they bring in husbands/wives from "back home" because they prefer to marry from their own home, etc. so for the female reverts in that island there is no one of their own land to marry, because no men at all have reverted to islam from there. Those who came to the island of the same cultural group keep to themselves, socially ostracising the revert in all ways by appointing an imam from their home land culture who only speaks their language and not the language of the land they are now in, and then from eid gatherings to invites to weddings, dinner or even just simple freindships etc. the reverts are completely left alone because of these type of ideas and there is no masjid to attend. They have no freinds no family, and are completely ostracised from having any sort of life its like they have been issued with solitary confinement orders, instead of being blessed with being an equal part of the largest family in the world.
so who will support the reverts while those of the same culture support themselves.. as u said humans are social creatures, and when a revert comes to islam, they give up their freinds, perhaps their families disown them, and then they find they are even in the wrong "cultural group" to be accepted by the muslims who migrated to their land.
Its very strange to tell people that islam does not racially discriminate, and that whoever calls to nationalism dies a death of jahilyah, and yet we call openly to culture..which ultimately is something only of a nation. I have asked scolars they told me the same thing best to marry from your own kind, but they are always assuming that there is anyone of your own kind to marry in the first place.
the examples u gave i didnt understand ukhti, because ummsalama said to the prophet salAllahu alleyhi wa salam when he sent a proposal that, she had small children, and she was advancing in age, and a very jelous woman, and the prophet salAllahu alleyi wa salam replied your children are my children, i am afflicted with the same problem as u ( advancing age) and i will pray to Allah to help u with your jelousy. and the other men who sent proposals to a woman, who asked the prophet salAllahu alleyhi wa salam which should she marry, the prophet salAllahu alleyhi wa salam told her not to marry them because one was miserly with money, and the other was harsh towards women. so again thats personality traits and not cultural ones. forgive me for not understanding insha Allah u can explain what your examples meant.
If anyone has an example with daleel from the Quran and sahih sunnah that is it reccomended specifically to marry within your own culture then i would appreciate it jazakAllahu khairin amin.
we should ask ourselves: as it is only those of ones own nation who will have the same culture....are we not just giving nationalisim a new name ...?
Abu Ma'mar
14th November 2007, 09:30 AM
I really don't see how it could be hard for reverts to get married in uk. I can only see it as hard if they live in places like wales or something.
Umm Ahmed
14th November 2007, 10:03 AM
well there the problem though, u say ..not from the same enthnic group but at least from the same country... then u say ..when people make hijra they are attracted to people like themselves that speak the same language and they build little communities that support one an other...so how will people in the same country have the same culture when they dont take on the culture in the land they migrate too.
Sister from my first post I said generally speaking its better to marry from your own country . I am sorry I am not making myself clear here . A British white revert can be happily marry a British Jamaican , Arab , Pakistani Bangladeshi and have a lot in common.
Your situation is not that different from me I am a revert from a town that has one or two muslims, I married an Arab that is not from Uk but from UAE , I have probably been married a lot longer than anyone on this forum so I am speaking from my own experience , I have stuck it out , that does not mean I am not homesick or that my marriage is perfect , but we have many sisters who have fled in the middle of the night and were never seen again , because they cant cope with living here or with the way of life. Not everyone can adapt to a new place without missing their parents siblings ect.
i have seen this situation, those who migrated to a british island, like to stick to their own kind as u said, arabs for arabs, asians for asians, africans for africans, they bring in husbands/wives from "back home" because they prefer to marry from their own home, etc. so for the female reverts in that island there is no one of their own land to marry, because no men at all have reverted to islam from there. Those who came to the island of the same cultural group keep to themselves, socially ostracising the revert in all ways by appointing an imam from their home land culture who only speaks their language and not the language of the land they are now in, and then from eid gatherings to invites to weddings, dinner or even just simple friendships etc. the reverts are completely left alone because of these type of ideas and there is no masjid to attend. They have no friends no family, and are completely ostracized from having any sort of life its like they have been issued with solitary confinement orders, instead of being blessed with being an equal part of the largest family in the world.
I know all of this sister as I am a revert and marrying and moving to an other country can make your problems ten fold you cant mix with people of your own culture as your now a muslim and dont want to , and the local community see you only as a foreigner.
the examples u gave i didnt understand ukhti, because ummsalama said to the prophet salAllahu alleyhi wa salam when he sent a proposal that, she had small children, and she was advancing in age, and a very jelous woman, and the prophet salAllahu alleyi wa salam replied your children are my children, i am afflicted with the same problem as u ( advancing age) and i will pray to Allah to help u with your jelousy. and the other men who sent proposals to a woman, who asked the prophet salAllahu alleyhi wa salam which should she marry, the prophet salAllahu alleyhi wa salam told her not to marry them because one was miserly with money, and the other was harsh towards women. so again thats personality traits and not cultural ones. forgive me for not understanding insha Allah u can explain what your examples meant.
I was showing that the phrophet (saw) is a person who has perfected his deen , but Umm salama still spoke to him of her faults thus showing that its not only religion that makes a good marriage She was worried that perhaps her traits would be a problem .
This thread is not about culture and its certainly not about nationalism InshaAllaah
May Allaah bless you with a good husband ameen.
ummghazi
14th November 2007, 11:26 AM
I really don't see how it could be hard for reverts to get married in uk. I can only see it as hard if they live in places like wales or something.
barakAllahu feek, im guessing ur not a revert, and ur probably on the mainland uk if that is your experience, forgive me if i presumed wrongly. There are many islandsand other places contained within the "uk" apart from wales, where reverts are very few and are ostracised because the born muslims from various races/cultures/nationalisties who live and work there have this idea that it is better to stick to their own culture.. or should we say nationality ...which is ultimately where a persons culture comes from, its simply all about the nation they were born too.
mika
20th November 2007, 12:23 AM
I think that this is a very interesting discussion, and I agree that moving to another culture to live for the rest of your live is properly very hard.
Now, what do you think about mixed marriages where for example the women are muslim and the man are Christian?
I think the mixed religious marriages are very good because it build a bridge between religion and cultures.
One of my best friends is muslim, and his wife are protestant.
They got two well educated children, where the son chose to convert to Islam after he grew up, and the daughter stayed protestant.
A very well functioning family where the parents let the children choose their own religion.
Mixed religious marriages is the way ahead, what do you think?
BR
Mika
muwahhid786
20th November 2007, 07:02 AM
I just dont understand one thing about some arabs namely the palestinians and the khaleejis.
(notice i aint generalizing here.)
why is it so much easier in the culture of those arabs for the MEN to marry nonarab (usually white) wives than it is for the women to marry nonarab men?
Is it because of:
lineage
contamination of their race
prejudice
"protection"
trust
i mean you see these stories about people like obl's son marrying a white lady and other such instances but you rarely see them offering their daughters. I think it is hypocritical to say the least. If you want to ban nonarab men from marrying your daughters like in uae then do the same for men also? dont be hypocritical.
Hajjaj
20th November 2007, 08:20 AM
I just dont understand one thing about some arabs namely the palestinians and the khaleejis.
(notice i aint generalizing here.)
why is it so much easier in the culture of those arabs for the MEN to marry nonarab (usually white) wives than it is for the women to marry nonarab men?
Is it because of:
lineage
contamination of their race
prejudice
"protection"
trust
i mean you see these stories about people like obl's son marrying a white lady and other such instances but you rarely see them offering their daughters. I think it is hypocritical to say the least. If you want to ban nonarab men from marrying your daughters like in uae then do the same for men also? dont be hypocritical.
Maybe its just where I am from but I know of Arab women married to western men. Saudi, Palestinian, Yemeni,...and some are even Black guys married to Arab women. What I have never seen is Paki women married to non-Paki men.
Umm Ahmed
20th November 2007, 10:14 AM
Fear for their daughter maybe , the arabs here go for relatives for their daughters, as then they know they wont be treated badly and overlook any downfalls they may have.
Magoo
20th November 2007, 10:33 AM
thats not limited to arabs, how many pakistani bros do you know married to revert white sisters? quite a few i imagine, what about the other way around? not so common in my experience, i dont know why but it seems certain cultures give alot more opportunity when it comes to marriage for brothers and tend to be quite rigid with the sisters
mika
20th November 2007, 02:34 PM
Hello again,
But do you agree that marrige with mixed religions such as a muslim women and a Christian man are good, to build bridge between religions, and create tolerance and less fanatism between religions?
As I said before, I have a friend which is muslim, and his wife is protestant, they got two very well educated grown up childern where the son later in life decided to become muslim, and tha daughter decided to stay protestant.
A very nice family, they are a very good example.
Do you agree that this is good, when it works so well as I descripe it here?
BR
Mika
Abu Abdul Wakeel
20th November 2007, 07:27 PM
Black guys married to Arab women.
:D :D (Raising my hand)...That would be me ;) . Seriously though, I've been married for almost 2 years now(Alhamdulillah). And from our experience....it's a tuff cake to bake. As one of the sisters in a prior post stated...."Deen must be the base." When we first met we debated about everything in Deen. And, that's how we settle between ourselves to this day Alhamdulillah. There's a reason why Rasul-Allah(saw) said look for Deen first. However, being born and raised in the west other aspects in a relationship plays a big role. We know the west is not the most....shall I say conservative place to be. So as a convert or born Muslim male one has to understand that the physical things that attract you to women in the west may very well be something that is absent from a women from a more conservative culture. This was a shock for me and truthfully speaking something that will take time to get pass. Yes, language plays a part as well(speaking of which she gave me homework and she'll do bad things to me if she finds out I haven't done it yet) Anyway, food for me isn't a problem although at times I do miss the fried chicken and gravy...you know soulfood lol. But, as stated before with Deen as a base, when she sees I'm missing these things she goes online and finds a recipe and bang...FRIED CHICKEN!!!!!(It's a beautiful thing). Alot of dua'a and alot of patients. If STAYING married is what you really want. Because, honestly....no matter who you married(from the same culture or not) marriage is not just some walk in the park. It's seriously a time restaint;) . It's VERY MUCH doable.....the keys are DEEN and TAWWAKUUL in ALLAH(SWT).
IbnShaykh
20th November 2007, 08:50 PM
Hello again,
But do you agree that marrige with mixed religions such as a muslim women and a Christian man are good, to build bridge between religions, and create tolerance and less fanatism between religions?
As I said before, I have a friend which is muslim, and his wife is protestant, they got two very well educated grown up childern where the son later in life decided to become muslim, and tha daughter decided to stay protestant.
A very nice family, they are a very good example.
Do you agree that this is good, when it works so well as I descripe it here?
BR
Mika
Bismillah
No this is not a good thing, as you have had it explained to you before. Islamically the ruling is that a muslim woman cannot marry a non muslim, this as is and how it is and will not change. Anyone going against this has essentially commited a major sin. I am sorry if you find this hard to comprehend but as said before generally the male is the leader of the relationship. If she marrys a non muslim man then he may inhibit her from practising her religion and if a muslim leaves his religion this is a disaster with no comparison.
As for building bridges and 'understanding' this is what you wish to call it, however in reality this is wanting us to compromise our values and teachings, until we follow something acceptable to you. Essentially you wish to frame our religion within your culture or the christian-jewish tradition, and the modernist view. Our lord the lord of the worlds has said, that the non muslim will not be pleased with you until you follow their way. So to me and I am sure many muslims, your words are a clear example of this. You call us to 'understanding' with sugar coated words yet really is is subdigation.
In regards to your friend, then he has a disaster under his roof. His daughter is a non muslim, no true muslim would accept this, and in these current times I doubt any true muslim would marry a non muslim woman.
So no mika we do not agree and reject this rather we will be respectful and law abiding, but don't expect us to compromise or bow to your culture or expectations. This may be a bitter pill to swallow but as I said this is how it is.
Hajjaj
21st November 2007, 03:46 AM
Hello again,
But do you agree that marrige with mixed religions such as a muslim women and a Christian man are good, to build bridge between religions, and create tolerance and less fanatism between religions?
As I said before, I have a friend which is muslim, and his wife is protestant, they got two very well educated grown up childern where the son later in life decided to become muslim, and tha daughter decided to stay protestant.
A very nice family, they are a very good example.
Do you agree that this is good, when it works so well as I descripe it here?
BR
Mika
Lets just drink alcohol and eat pork this will really promote understanding and build bridges between religions. Hey lets just skip the marriage all together and intend orgies with Christians this would really promote togetherness. I know a women who has four children all born out of wedlock all from different fathers they are all educated one is Muslim, one a Hindu, the other two are atheist. Its just great let all hold hands and sing com baa haa.
Get off it Mika!
muwahhid786
21st November 2007, 09:23 AM
Maybe its just where I am from but I know of Arab women married to western men. Saudi, Palestinian, Yemeni,...and some are even Black guys married to Arab women. What I have never seen is Paki women married to non-Paki men.
I heard of many Paki women marrying nonPaki men including arabs and indians (if that even counts). Don't forget that some arabs travel to the indian subcontinent to get married.
Abu Dharr Al Kashmiri
21st November 2007, 04:52 PM
(Raising my hand)...That would be me . Seriously though, I've been married for almost 2 years now(Alhamdulillah). And from our experience....it's a tuff cake to bake. As one of the sisters in a prior post stated...."Deen must be the base." When we first met we debated about everything in Deen. And, that's how we settle between ourselves to this day Alhamdulillah. There's a reason why Rasul-Allah(saw) said look for Deen first. However, being born and raised in the west other aspects in a relationship plays a big role. We know the west is not the most....shall I say conservative place to be. So as a convert or born Muslim male one has to understand that the physical things that attract you to women in the west may very well be something that is absent from a women from a more conservative culture. This was a shock for me and truthfully speaking something that will take time to get pass. Yes, language plays a part as well(speaking of which she gave me homework and she'll do bad things to me if she finds out I haven't done it yet) Anyway, food for me isn't a problem although at times I do miss the fried chicken and gravy...you know soulfood lol. But, as stated before with Deen as a base, when she sees I'm missing these things she goes online and finds a recipe and bang...FRIED CHICKEN!!!!!(It's a beautiful thing). Alot of dua'a and alot of patients. If STAYING married is what you really want. Because, honestly....no matter who you married(from the same culture or not) marriage is not just some walk in the park. It's seriously a time restaint;) . It's VERY MUCH doable.....the keys are DEEN and TAWWAKUUL in ALLAH(SWT).
As-salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah,
Alhamdulillah, thanx for sharing your thoughts akhi JazakAllahu khayran! May Allah Azza wa Jall bless your marriage. Aameen . I would be willing to give up the gosht, chooza and dhaal any day for some cous cous or baklavah! :eek: :D
Milk Shaykh
21st November 2007, 05:30 PM
I would be willing to give up the gosht, chooza and dhaal any day for some cous cous or baklavah!
Are you sure about that Hayya!?
William Wurkmun Fosterr
21st November 2007, 06:08 PM
I have heard it said that every marriage is a mixed marriage.
nomad
21st November 2007, 06:18 PM
assalamu alaykum,
what about when the husband is without a country... and the woman gives hers up for the sake of Allah. They are in the same boat. Literally. Whats culture anyway? There's a bigger culture gap between a council estate kid and kid who grew up in restuarants and nannys care.
I would encourage my kids to marry people who fear Allah regardless of their heritage, but thats just me.
Abu Abdul Wakeel
21st November 2007, 08:11 PM
As-salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah,
Alhamdulillah, thanx for sharing your thoughts akhi JazakAllahu khayran! May Allah Azza wa Jall bless your marriage. Aameen . I would be willing to give up the gosht, chooza and dhaal any day for some cous cous or baklavah! :eek: :D
Waiyaakum habibi:)
UmmAbdulMalikStorm
21st November 2007, 08:51 PM
You might think food is something trivial but its not , say your a rice person but you have to eat potatoes everyday, as thats whats expected on the table .
Lol. I love you Umm Ahmed :)
Umm Ahmed
22nd November 2007, 04:23 AM
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Lol. I love you Umm Ahmed :)
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Abu Dharr Al Kashmiri
23rd November 2007, 03:10 PM
Are you sure about that Hayya!?
cous cous must be better than fool. no?:rolleyes:
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