عورت چہرہ اور سر چھپائے یا اپنی قدرتی ابھری “زینت“؟

[Mazhara]

Women should hide head and face or their “زينت”?{URDU}

عورت چہرہ اور سر چھپائے یا اپنی قدرتی ابھری “زینت“؟

السلام عليكم

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قُلۡ إِنَّمَآ أَعِظُكُم بِوَٲحِدَةٍۖ أَن تَقُومُواْ لِلَّهِ مَثۡنَىٰ وَفُرَٲدَىٰ ثُمَّ تَتَفَڪَّرُواْۚ
Say, "I {Muhammad} advise you people with one advice; that find time for Allah in two’s or individually and thereafter reflect to know the purpose of things" {Refer 34:46}

[Abu Maryam PK]

Bismillah
Assalamoalaikum
What an idiotic article. Where in the Quraan it is mentioned that women should cover their shins, thighs, arms, neck and back?

[Mazhara]

Assalamo Alaikum,

Please read next pages and you wil find that it is written in Quran to hide all that parts you have named. Jumping to conclusions even without reading makes people slave of preconceived notions, which is in direct conflict with the advice of Allah and Rasoul quoted in the end of the post. Thanks for reading.

[kamran]

Assalam o alaikum,

This may yet be another preconceived notion to some but I have reasons to believe that this guy (and his website) goes (go) off at a tangent. Serious issues here. Especially regarding some basic fundamentals such as the status of Sunnah.

May Allah protect us all.

Kamran

[Magoo]

Assalam o alaikum,

This may yet be another preconceived notion to some but I have reasons to believe that this guy (and his website) goes (go) off at a tangent. Serious issues here. Especially regarding some basic fundamentals such as the status of Sunnah.

May Allah protect us all.

Kamran

could you elaborate pleae akhi

[kamran]

Assalam o alaikum,

Yar Magoo,

Honestly, I wrote with the intention that "mazhara" gets to know that there are many who know about his views and a useless debate avoided.

It is all about the futility of the reasoning of someone breaking off from the fundamentals.

Kamran

[Magoo]

Assalam o alaikum,

Yar Magoo,

Honestly, I wrote with the intention that "mazhara" gets to know that there are many who know about his views and a useless debate avoided.

It is all about the futility of the reasoning of someone breaking off from the fundamentals.

Kamran

teek eh my brother

[nobody]

Assalam o alaikum,

This may yet be another preconceived notion to some but I have reasons to believe that this guy (and his website) goes (go) off at a tangent. Serious issues here. Especially regarding some basic fundamentals such as the status of Sunnah.

May Allah protect us all.

Kamran

very true. he belongs to the qabeel of rejectors of hadeeth. their main tools are deception and ambiguity. to some extent i am feeling responsible cause i started to post urdu poems here. and most dont understand much urdu on here. he is taking advantage of this.

[Magoo]

very true. he belongs to the qabeel of rejectors of hadeeth. their main tools are deception and ambiguity. to some extent i am feeling responsible cause i started to post urdu poems here. and most dont understand much urdu on here. he is taking advantage of this.

i dont think your responsible akhi, you posted some gems from allama iqbal, i havent given a second look at these posts from mazhara

[kamran]

very true. he belongs to the qabeel of rejectors of hadeeth. their main tools are deception and ambiguity. to some extent i am feeling responsible cause i started to post urdu poems here. and most dont understand much urdu on here. he is taking advantage of this.

Na baba! Don't have the bravado to make a ruling upon his intentions and how he is taking advantage of whatever. I'd rather expect him to be more of a showman and wouldn't be surprised if he littered some 20 odd forums with this self-promotion thing. Yet, I'd never have the guts to pass a ruling upon his intentions. Need to answer to Him on the Last Day. May Allah guide this mazhara guy.

I sense we are going to come across scores of old men obsessed with 'a different point of view'. The 'newer' the idea, the more attractive it is. The more off-track the stance, the more well-researched it becomes. You see 'research' now means that you have to deviate from the 'norms'.

A firm grounding in the fundamentals is rare among these intellectual wizards. Expressing your 'viewpoint' in some evening tabloid, filling in with some verses of the Quran (or in other cases Hadith though it does not seem to hold for 'mazhara') is not hard at all. Even if it is ripped off from the works of others or may be totally reliant upon translations or may be plagiarised from some plagiarised text availabe in Urdu Bazar. You see, all you have to do is to have the tact to write crisply with some 'new idea' ('mazhara' has plenty) and then of course spice it up with vitriolic and illogical condemntation of some 'traditional ideas' (which 'mazhara' is not bad at). So here you have a 'well-researched' article. That this 'well-researched' article triggers a chain reaction would never go down badly with the 'original researcher'.

So many people can give conclusive rulings in so many matters of Deen (like 'mazhara') using their wonderfully resourced libraries of some 20 odd Urdu and English books (the number can be greater). And you see, these folks have the guts to ridicule and reject the scholars and at times are bold enough to publish these 'researches'. Of course most of it happens during the 'retirement' era. And given the modernist slant which is oh so common among such folks, expect all kinds of rubbish.

The sad part is that 'mazhara' guy remains adamant that he is ignorant (check his site) and that his 'stance' does not become a viable opinion (in short this is not even an Ijtihad-based mistake) and yet he wants us to take him seriously.

This is tragic indeed: Opting for a path upon which you walk a lot but reach nowhere.

Kamran

[nobody]

yes i should not make any ruling upon his intention. in fact it was not my intention. smile. only Allah knows the intentions of men. i am sorry if my previous post gave this impression.

but see his book about eesa as. he is just asking some questions same as a specific group of munkreen hadeeth ask to saw the seed of doubt about this aqeeda. and then this gives rise to denial and then doubt about other aqaid and fundamentals. also most people of this deviant sect remain in the illusion that they are discovering researching the truth. and Allah knows best. interestingly he never quotes a single hadeeth in his books. smile. did you find any?

i asked this guy two simple questions here:
http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=8237&highlight=simple

he didnt reply.

[Abu Maryam PK]

BISMILLAH

he didnt reply.

He won't. He is a 'slave of preconceived notions'

[Mazhara]

very true. he belongs to the qabeel of rejectors of hadeeth. their main tools are deception and ambiguity. to some extent i am feeling responsible cause i started to post urdu poems here. and most dont understand much urdu on here. he is taking advantage of this.Ibn Imam

Assalamo Alaikum,

Find little time to go through other threads. You may find beautiful Hadith Mubarka quoted therein.

Dear Kamran,
It is nicely worded speech, excellent for inter college debate forum, but is void of any substance since it has not talked about a single line of the article on the thread. Could you point out anything in the article which is beyond Quran and Hadith?
When people do not have proper argument, they slander. And obviously this reflects nothing but lack of any "daleel" available with them.

Kindly read the articles and say something by referring to the specific point.
Thanks.

[Mazhara]

but see his book about eesa as. he is just asking some questions same as a specific group of munkreen hadeeth ask to saw the seed of doubt about this aqeeda. and then this gives rise to denial and then doubt about other aqaid and fundamentals. also most people of this deviant sect remain in the illusion that they are discovering researching the truth. and Allah knows best. interestingly he never quotes a single hadeeth in his books. smile. did you find any?{Ibn Imam}

But brother, the question is why are you so afraid to answer those questions?And you might have seen that those question are not mine but all are from the Grand Quran. And do you accept that Quran is now for us the Qaul of Rasoul Karim? Yes, this is the Qaul of Rasoul Karim peace, respects, slaam and praise is always for him day and night without interruption.

[kamran]

Dear Mazhara,

I take the liberty to speak on behalf of both Abu Maryam and Ibn Imam.

You need to get some facts right.

For example, the Quran is not 'the Qaul of Rusool'. It is Allah's Word.

Secondly, there seems to be a fundamental difference between you and us and that is that we, unlike you, believe that Nabi SWS was not merely a postman who came and delivered a book and then left us.

We would like no debates with you. It has nothing to do you with being 'afraid' of these questions.

You see, it is not about 'arriving' at an opinion. May be you could arrive at an opinion which may be one of the valid differences of opinions and hence respected. However, if the methodology you arrive at that is not correct, you'd be left with the task of convincing us that since Eggs are white and Moon is white, hence the two are same. So like a simple Muslim, if I were to learn about Purdah, I'd simply pick up a reliable Tafseer (I have the tafseers of Imam Ibn Kathir, Maulana Maududi, Maulana Abdur Rahman Kailani, Hafiz Salahuddin Yousuf, Dr. Luqman Salafi and Sheikh Abdur Rahman as-Sa'adi) and understand the verses. If I were to go into greater detail, I'd pick up a reliable fiqh manual and understand the differences of opinions. And believe me, even the strangest of opinions is given weightage and respect PROVIDED it is derived through correct methodology.

So I'd rather understand my Deen from those who are known to know the Deen than from some stranger who just comes up and starts telling people about his own correctness. It's like going on a walk in a strange mountainous terrain using a map given to you by your father and then suddenly seeing a stranger who tells you to follow him or be doomed. Red Riding Hood did that and got not only herself but also her Granny into trouble.

May Allah guard our faith.

Regards,

Kamran

[Mazhara]

Dear Kamran.

Assalamo Alaikum,

The most basic and fundamental misconception that you have is this:
You need to get some facts right.

For example, the Quran is not 'the Qaul of Rusool'. It is Allah's Word.

Quran itself says "This Quran is the Qaul of Rasool e Karim" and you do not accept these words of Allah. What is stated in the Quran is the "Hadith", Kalam of Allah which has been conveyed to humanity through the Qaul of Rasool e Karim. Quran is Hadith Allah, Kalam Allah, Kitab Allah and now is also Qaul Rasool e Karim as per the verdict of no less authority than the Quran itself. Before "Qaul" there has to be a Hadith; something of simple common sense.
Thanks.

[Umm Ahmed]

As salaamu alaykum

"This Quran is the Qaul of Rasool e Karim"

The Quran is the word of the Rasool , which verse does it say that in please?

[Mazhara]

Dear Umm Ahmad,

Pl take note that "Qaul" and the English word "word" are not necessarily synonymous. A Qaul contains words which convey a perception/hadith. Here is when Allah calls Quran the Qaul of Rasool e Karim:
http://haqeeqat.org.pk/book_6/4/slides/6.jpg

[Umm Ahmed]

(38. So, I swear by whatsoever you see,) (39. And by whatsoever you see not,) (40. That this is verily the word of an honored Messenger.) (41. It is not the word of a poet, little is that you believe!) (42. Nor is it the word of a soothsayer, little is that you remember!) (43. This is the revelation sent down from the Lord of all that exists.)

(So I swear by whatsoever you see, and by whatsoever you see not, that this is verily the word of an honored Messenger.) meaning, Muhammad . Allah gave this description to him, a description which carries the meaning of conveying, because the duty of a messenger is to convey from the sender. Therefore, Allah gave this description to the angelic Messenger in Surat At-Takwir, where he said,

[إِنَّهُ لَقَوْلُ رَسُولٍ كَرِيمٍ ذِى قُوَّةٍ عِندَ ذِى الْعَرْشِ مَكِينٍ مُّطَـعٍ ثَمَّ أَمِينٍ ]

(Verily, this is the Word of (this Qur'an brought by) a most honorable messenger. Owner of power (and high rank) with Allah, the Lord of the Throne. Obeyed and trustworthy.) (81:19-21) And here, it refers to Jibril.

Thats from Ibn Kathirs tafsir.



Phew you had me worried there for a minute , it means brought or conveyed , next time please clarify what your saying ,not all of us are Arabic speakers.

[hearandobey]

sis, it's urdu:)

[Umm Ahmed]

sis, it's urdu:)

lol where ? I only took the aya number :)

[hearandobey]

i meant everything mazhara has been posting, incl. the scans are in urdu - i hope i wasn't confusing you lol!

[Umm Ahmed]

lol no, I look at every thread but it wasn't till Mazhara wrote in English that I saw something confusing , maybe its because the fact that they are in urdu, is why the brothers and sisters who usually answer these kind of posts are absent.

[Mazhara]

Phew you had me worried there for a minute , it means brought or conveyed , next time please clarify what your saying ,not all of us are Arabic speakers.{Umm Ahmed}

Dear, please know that "Qaul" refers only to such throwing out of sound from the mouth which contains specific words of a language. Utterence of mere sound does not constitue "Qaul". I am not taxing you by referring to the Ayah of Quran which says like it.

"Qaul" does not mean "brought"; it was the perception of Muffasir who wrote it in the parentheses. Quran was uttered before and for the people by the Last Messenger, i.e. why it has been called with certainity that this Quran is the Qaul of Rasool e Karim.

[Umm Ahmed]

I just know that the Quran is the word of Allaah. And it was conveyed to the people by the Phrophet (saw)

[kamran]

it was the perception of Muffasir who wrote it in the parentheses.

We deem the perception of that Mufassir, a trustworthy entity, to be more reliable than the delusions of a stranger bent upon useless rhetoric.

Mazhara, you argue a lot and may be you have a lot of time as well, something which we do not have.

Secondly, there are 'no fears' involved on our part. Yet, just like you won't let your 15 year old daughter go through pornographic websites or magazines so that she may "refute" them, we would not like to "follow" you. There is more at stake over here than pornography you see.

Kamran

[Mazhara]

Dear Kamran,
Assalamo Alaikum,
Out of context and evasive.

You have gone through the article. Tell what is wrong in it or that which you think is not in Quran and Hadith. Why to roam in the whole of world, please stay on the thread/article. It is time old problem that people do not want to listen to the words of the revealed Book.

[Abu Maryam PK]

Bismillah
Assalamoalaikum
Kamran thanx for ur well-mannered discourse.
Mazhara, first of all as pointed out, this is not an urdu forum. Second, Quraan is the literal qawl of Allah, with letters and sound. For example, Allah said in many places in the Quraan "Qaala Allah...Qaala Rabbukum" etc. Just because the rasool kareem repeated it or you repeat it does not mean it stops being the qawl of Allah. If i say that "Mazhara said so and so" does not mean tht the words become mine, even though what i uttered are my ow deeds and words, the original was still spoken by mazhara. Infact Allah says in Tahaa "I am Allah", which is what Musa heard. Was it Allah who said that or rasool kareem? None has the right to say that except Allah (Khalq Af'aal by Bukhari).

And the Prophet sallallahoalaihiwasallam did not say "My slaves" to the people mean slaves of the Prophet sallallahoalaihiwasallam, as in the ayah you posted. This is kufr. And this is your fundamental mistake. He was conveying Allah's message/wahy that "O my slaves" meaning Allah's slave. This is shirk, the article you posted, emanating from a lack of Arabic language and basic aqeedah.

[Mazhara]

Thanks, no one denies this:
Second, Quraan is the literal qawl of Allah, with letters and sound. For example, Allah said in many places in the Quraan "Qaala Allah...Qaala Rabbukum" etc. Just because the rasool kareem repeated it or you repeat it does not mean it stops being the qawl of Allah. If i say that "Mazhara said so and so" does not mean tht the words become mine, even though what i uttered are my ow deeds and words, the original was still spoken by mazhara.
I also said that Quran e Karim is the Kalam, Hadith, Kitab of Allah and all these three contain words/qaul of Allah. And since all these Aqwwal of Allah have come to humanity through the Messenger, respects, salam and praise is upon him, this has also been called as Qaul of Rasool e Karim by the Quran and therefore this is also the Qaul.word of Allah.

We call many scholars as "Maulana" and you don't say people do kufr when they call these people as such.

[kamran]

So what is the moral of the story? The sky is blue but it is also acid green?

[Abu Maryam PK]

Bismillah
Mazhara,
We call many scholars as "Maulana" and you don't say people do kufr when they call these people as such.
Maula has more than one meanngs in arabic. How many does 'abd (slave) have? Is it then correct to call mazhara 'adb al-rasool? As i said, u neither no any arabic to start making such claims and neither any footing in the aqidah of ahl al-sunnah to measure what u r posting. Remember, your words and postings would be measured in the aakhirah.
And lastly, whose voice did Musa 'alahi salaam hear in tuwaa, which said "I am Allah" ?

[Mazhara]

بِسمِ ٱلله الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيـمِ
Maula has more than one meanngs in arabic. How many does 'abd (slave) have? Is it then correct to call mazhara 'adb al-rasool? As i said, u neither no any arabic to start making such claims and neither any footing in the aqidah of ahl al-sunnah to measure what u r posting. Remember, your words and postings would be measured in the aakhirah.
And lastly, whose voice did Musa 'alahi salaam hear in tuwaa, who said "I am Allah" ?
Brother Assalamo Alaikum,

Maula, Rabb and Abd reflect a relationship between two. When someone call someone else as his maula or rabb he is referring to his lord,master and he is declaring/considering himself as his slave. Yousaf Elaihissalam used the word rabb to refer to the messenger's king/master. And when people call someobody as "Maulana" they say "our maula".

ۚ وَكَلَّمَ ٱللَّهُ مُوسَىٰ تَڪۡلِيمً۬ا
This is the distinction bestowed upon Musa elahissalam as Allah have granted various distinctions to his other Messengers. This is one of the methods of sending Wahi, the Kalam of Allah to His Messengers.
No one has ever called or named himself as "abd al Rasool" since abd in that sense of "created one" is only and only referred to Allah swt.
Thanks.