Freemasonry

[Ibn Al-Khattab]

Assalaamu-alaikum,

I wanted to know if any brothers or sisters know of any good books regarding freemasonry. I know there's three books: Freemasons and Dajjal by Kamran Raad, Global Freemasonry by Harun Yahya, and The Secret World by Abu Eesa Al Kanadi. The ones by Kamran Raad and Abu Eesa are very good and interesting, but Allah (swt) knows best about their authenticity, whereas the one by Harun Yahya is quite boring compared to the others as he keeps bringing materialism into all his books and he doesn't discuss the concept or discussion at hand. Some brother told me that Abu Amina Bilal Philips wrote one but im sure he was mistaken cos as far as I know, I dont recall Abu Amina writing a book on freemasonry. Jazakallah khair. :D

Wasalaamu-Alikum Warahmatullah

[Ghaznavi]

look on 'The Dajjal is here!" in General Discussion,

i posted a long article which shows the evil of the Freemasons and their wait for Dajjal.


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[Amani]

theres a tape out regarding this, would u be interested if i found u an audio clip from the web? its quite interesting...

[Ibn Al-Khattab]

Assalaamu-aalikum,

Jazakallah khairun for the replies. Brother Ghaznavi, Ive read that article before, I came across it a few years ago on www.allahuakbar.net, not sure if its still there. Sister Amani, are you talking about "From the Shadows" audio clip, cos ive heard that too. Theres three parts to that talk, with the first one being the best one out of all of them. There is a video by Abdul Kareem called Shadows in Motion, it is an excellent video on the freemasonry. I think its based upon that talk "From the Shadows".
Jazakallah khairun brothers and sisters for your effort. But im looking for books precisely, although anything else apart from what ive mentioned would great, if books arent available.

Wasalam-alaikum Warahmatullah

[sabr]

assalamoalaikum

How authentic and accurate exactly is the tape 'from the shadows' sometimes it seems a little far fetched, but then again it could be true...

was salam

[dazzler]

lolz! Assalam o alaikum
everyone missing me? i am still alive lolz!

Anyway, everytime I read something on the freemasons i question the stance. Now i was wondering, werent the builders of the pyramids who actually were Jews, FREE MASONS in the most literal sense?

Before masonry was banned in pakistan, my father's uncle became a mason. Shukar shukar it was banned and not only did he repent but he became a pious person once more. Khair if anyone of u is in lahore we can meet and discuss for i have done a lot of research on these things and yeah Harun Yahya's book is not worth it. His earlier books on Masonry could be good though for at that time he must not have been as obsessive about materialism, darwinism etc. as he is now so his approach would have been very natural.

There was a book written by two Arabs and it was called "Freemasonry". I have it somewhere but I cannot find it right now. That one is good. Then I have a VERY VERY rare book with me released in the 1960s and written by a Pakistani and that is quite good. It even has some photographs from there meetings. I have lots of things on them but these two are the best.

The halaqa media clips can be found elsewhere too. They are not really that great. To start with they mess up with the history of masons and their origins. But yeah, it makes great listening for kids. And I really like that part ... where it talks about Islam ... "The world is witnessing the reawakening of an old warrior. Now the Free Masons have another enemy to contend with an enemy which they have thought that they have destroyed. An enemy that will never bow down to the evil and demonic plan of the Free Masons. That enemy is Islam and against it they have declared war."

Take care! :p

Me (moi very happy these days :P)

[dazzler]

Assalam o alaikum,

Check this link:

http://masons.start4all.com/

Interesting stuff.

Me

[dazzler]

assalam o alaikum,

If you recall Thundercats, Liono's Sword of Omens which gave him "sight beyond sights" had a single eye, the Eye of Thundera and one of the villain groups were the Lunatacs (not derived from Lunatic but from "Lunar", related to the Moon) and their emblem was a crescent. I am not claiming any conspiracy theories but just an interesting observation.

Me.

[Samira]

As salaamu alaikum

A good book which I am reading on the topic of the Free masons is 'Dajjal the antichrist' (formerly dajjal the king with no clothes) by Ahmad Thompson available from www.talibah.co.uk. Very interesting read, a real eye opener!

[Ibn Al-Khattab]

Assalaamu-alaikum,

Masha-allah, quite few replies since I last checked out this subject. The book by Ahmed Thompson is quite interesting but it is not based upon facts. What Ahmed Thompson wrote was a work of fiction based upon what he assumed would happen in the future. However, he does quote authentic hadeeths regarding Dajjal but thats only to show that there is Dajjal and how he will create havoc and have certain powers etc.
As for Thundercats, brother Dazzler, you are right, I never realised that, although its been years and years since I saw them cartoons. But one thing about the Masons is that once your in, you can't get out; that's what ive heard. Some people will fool you into saying masons are not satanists etc, but that is just a cover up. When a person is initiated into the masonry, they do not know that true nature of it until they reach a certain level, cos the masonry has a hierarchy. At the lower levels, people do alot of charity work, functions etc, just the usual public stuff, but when you reach a higher level, then the true objectives of masonry are revealed to you.
In the book Freemasonry and the Dajjal, it is said that masonry must have existed a long time ago, even though we think it came about during the time of crusades, as history books tell us. However, during the time of prophet Sulaiman (AS) it is said that masonry existed and I think it makes sense the way the brother writes and explains it in the book. The masonic concepts are taken from the jews, but theyre rituals have been taken from the pagans of Egypt, as back then there was alot of magic bein used i.e. during fir'aun's era. So it can be said that masonry existed even back then but only a few people practised it and it was passed down the generations.
Also, the prophet (saw) said that "there is not a single prophet that did not warn his people about the Dajjal, but I will tell you something no other prophet knew, the Dajjal is one-eyed, and your lord is not". Im assuming, but don't we know from this that masonry must have existed from the first prophet onwards, as all the prophets had warned their people, and there must have been a group or so who were paving the way for the Dajjal, and they passed on their knowledge down to the generations so that they can prepare for him and follow him. Im not sure, im just pluckng at straws I think :? !!!!
Ths is a subject of debate, as ive had debates with people regarding this who deny masonry is so and so, which gives me the feeling that they are masons themselves and theyre only covering up. Allah knows best!!!!

Wasalaam!!!!

[dazzler]

Assalam o alaikum,

Actually, Ahmad Thompson's book is not available in Pakistan. It is one of those few books on masonry that I have not read. I have Pawns in the Game and other classic texts written by Westerners and they are quite revealing. However, I have noted this tendency among Muslim brothers that when they write they often end up being conspiracy theorists or so it seems. They make it very interesting but at times it does not convince someone like me.

Thundercats are not the only example. There are many other cases that you can pick up. He-Man for example promoted plain paganism. Of course, that book 1984 is also there. I have noticed that these Westerners believe in the "Fear syndrome". We know what they believe in. Look at the Y2K syndrome for example. They had gone mad! They expect that Muslims are like that as well. We should not be if we are correct in our Tauheed but it is unfortunate that many of us do fall into the trap. The fear factor they create out of media, movies etc creates havoc within our ranks and this is frustrating.

You are very right about Masons. You just cannot get out of them. They seem very stupid. For example, when taking the oath they make you do a lot of stupid things but they are bloody blackmailers. They could kill one's young daughter or slaughter one's brother to get things done. And yes they seem very good at lower levels. Organisations like Lion's Club, Rotary Club etc. are all masonic bodies.

I personally do not differentiate between Masonry and the Jews. I think that Masonry is a tool used by the Jews to use non-Jews to get things done for after all every non-Jew is sub-human in their eyes.
Secondly, Brother Ibn Khattab, I tend to disagree with what I gather from yourpost: That you are very sure that these Masons are indeed related to Dajjal and that the Hadiths refer to the Masons in this case. The Prophet pbuh told us things and we must believe in them but to say that the hadiths actually referred to so and so, well I do not buy that. If the hadiths actually did point towards the masons, you would have seen a consensus on this issue but the very fact that there is no consensus and in fact a lot of disagreement shows that the hadiths in this case are not pointing towards Masons. Rather, they are pointing towards something that Allah knows best and we should be prepared for them. So I feel we should refrain from interpreting these hadiths.

Boy

[Ibn Al-Khattab]

Assalaamu-alaikum,

My dear brother Dazzler, no where in my post did I say that the hadeeths point towards masonry. Please feel free to point it out to me, as I think you have misinterpreted my post.

[i]I tend to disagree with what I gather from yourpost: That you are very sure that these Masons are indeed related to Dajjal and that the Hadiths refer to the Masons in this case. The Prophet pbuh told us things and we must believe in them but to say that the hadiths actually referred to so and so, well I do not buy that. If the hadiths actually did point towards the masons, you would have seen a consensus on this issue but the very fact that there is no consensus and in fact a lot of disagreement shows that the hadiths in this case are not pointing towards Masons. Rather, they are pointing towards something that Allah knows best and we should be prepared for them. So I feel we should refrain from interpreting these hadiths.[/u]

Aakhi, it is clear that you misinterpreted my post, may allah reward you for your sincerity. What I said that the followers of Dajjal must have existed for some time, even during the earlier prophets eras, as all the prophets had warned their nations of the Dajjal. I didnt necessarily mean it has to be masons. What I meant was, and I dont think i clarified that, was that the followers of Dajjal must have existed for a long time rather than during the crusades, as some people think. Many people think, and it is written in the books that the masonry formed after the capture of Jerusalem by the crusaders during Pope Urban 2nd charge. People think that these crusaders were the ones makng way for the Dajjal, whch I disagree with.
The Jews I believe are affiliated to this one way or another. The Prophet (saw) said that the Dajjal will be followed by 70,000 Jews of Isfahan, and this hadeeth is narrated by Imam Muslim in his sahih. As we know from the Jewish beliefs, they are still awaiting a messiah that will lead them and make them a ruling nation. We all know that the Prophet Muhammad (Saw) is the last messenger. However, the Jews dont believe in him as they also dont believe in Isa (as). We know that an impostor will arrive who will claim prophethood, and then claim lordship. The Jews will be his followers as this impostor (Dajjal) will be the messiah theyre waiting for.
So from that, we know that the Jews will await the Dajjal as it was told by the Messenger (Saw). Allah (swt) revealed this to the prophet (saw) as Allah (swt) knows that the there will be a group who will follow the Dajjal, and that will be the Jews. Also, there is a hadeeth in the musnad of Imam Ahmed which says that there will be a group of people who wil pave the way for the Dajjal; but the musnad is in arabic only.
So we can gather from that, that the Jews are waiting a messiah, which we know is an impostor. The masons are also waiting for a messiah, and masonry is an off shoot of the Jews as they take their beliefs from Jewish traditions (from what ive read anyway). Its overtime I think that the Jews have changed their names and split into groups to create confusion amongst the people. Even this NEW WORLD ORDER is nothing but the Jews slogan for a new unique and powerful society/nation which they believe is them. The American government puts alot of emphasis on this, and we know that many, if not all, the government consists of Jews. Allah knows best.

Wasalaam!!

[dazzler]

assalam o alaikum
chill man! lolz

my job hardly allows any free time .. sorry for any misunderstanding anyway!

Masons are pathetic .. they should be playing with pebbles! Wannabes!

Me

[Samira]

Does anyone remember about 10 or so years ago, all the Jews (in London at least) had their 'Moshiach is on his way lets be ready' banners over their front doors? It's funny, they showed an old bearded man... with two eyes. They dont even know what their own leader looks like :roll: and they thought he was coming 10 years ago.

Why are their devil-looking emoticons on this site!?

[Abu Ilyas]

As Salaamualaikum

I read the article below recently, which seems relevant to this thread,sorry about length:



Matthew: It’s a conspiracy.
Jack Bellicec: What’s a conspiracy?
Matthew: Everything.
Invasion of the Body Snatchers, 1978


MUSLIMS HAVE a credibility problem. In the modern era, we have a tendency to believe and repeat wild theories, with our only criteria for accepting those theories being that they lend support to pre-existing attitudes. It takes an extremely sympathetic person to overlook such a deficiency, and sympathy for Muslims in a post 9/11 West is in short supply.

This is a deficiency that the clash-of-civilizations crowd has astutely begun to capitalize on. Pro-Israel groups like the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) play a perpetual game of “gotcha,” scouring the Arab press for the most egregious conspiracy-peddling, then forwarding it to a network of like-minded opinion writers as grist for the Islamophobia mill. MEMRI’s job isn’t difficult.

It seems so elementary: don’t repeat everything you hear as fact if you don’t have evidence for it. Test theories with investigation, and modify theories in light of results. That’s the scientific method that we all learned in sixth grade.

The lack of a grip on this basic principle is yet another proof of the extent of the Muslims’ drift from their Islamic roots. The man who introduced the scientific method to the world was Abu Rayhan ibn Ahmad al-Biruni, an 8th century scholar who, by the age of 17, had calculated his hometown’s latitude from the sun’s altitude. “His bent was strongly towards the study of observable phenomena, in nature and in man,” writes a Western admirer.

Observable phenomena seem quite irrelevant in the Muslim world’s public discourse today.

When Princess Diana died in September 1997, a number of Arab columnists warned that she was murdered by British intelligence because she was going to marry an Arab Muslim. Other Muslims opined that she had in fact already converted to Islam and that she had died as a shaheed (martyr). Such ideas gained currency in Muslim communities in the West and East, with the basis for such claims being nothing more solid than the journalistic equivalent of reading tea leaves.

When the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke, some Arab commentators claimed it was all an elaborate “Jewish plot” to cause Clinton to be impeached and removed from office, in order to prevent him from eventually recognizing a Palestinian state.

The EgyptAir 990 crash in November 1999, was painted by some other columnists as having been the result of Mossad sabotage who, by destroying the plane along with its 271 passengers, hoped to destroy the Egyptian tourist industry.

Likewise, it was not long after September 11, before Arab columnists were pointing the fingers at the Jews. One such commentator, writing in Jordan’s ad-Dustour, pointed the finger at the “great Jewish Zionist mastermind that controls the world’s economy, media and politics.”

Other columnists blamed Bush, claiming he ordered the attacks to solidify his grip on America and unify the country after the Florida vote-counting controversy. Yet others blamed the Japanese who had supposedly carried out September 11 as revenge for the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Some claimed that the Pentagon attacks never really happened. One journalist suggested that the World Trade Center was really blown up by a series of kerosene bombs deployed strategically around the building. Yet more suggested the planes may have been taken control over by NORAD and directed into the twin towers. And so on.

One of the most widely heard tales in the Muslim world is that 4,000 Jews, forewarned of the impending attacks, decided to all stay home on the morning of September 11. The tale began circulating shortly after the attacks, in the form of a report attributed to Hezbollah’s al-Manar TV and quoting unnamed “Arab diplomatic sources.” Thanks to the Internet, the report quickly circulated throughout the world, and continues to this day to form the underpinning for many Muslim’s belief that Jews were responsible for the attacks on September 11.

Of course, all of these theories, while of varying degrees of plausibility, are logically possible; sometimes, they have a grain of truth. Repeating theories without evidence is a sign of intellectual weakness, but it’s equally absurd to assert that any claim of behind-the-scenes influence is paranoid bigotry, or that conspiracies as a rule do not exist. Pro-Israel groups mock Muslims for asserting that Jewish influence dominates US foreign policy, while AIPAC brags in its literature that it is the most influential lobby group affecting our nation’s Middle East policy.

Nor can one deny that the Reagan administration traded arms for hostages. The FBI tried to break up Martin Luther King’s marriage to derail his civil rights campaign. The US defense establishment developed a plan in the 1960s to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. But the people who exposed these conspiracies went beyond intuition; they dug up the hard evidence to back it up.

No, the problem is not necessarily the theories themselves, but the thought process that generates them or accepts them as true. If they were formed on the basis of evidence and rational analysis, then there would be no problem, however the methodology employed to reach such conclusions is often anything but rational. We are like the Hindus of the 8th century, of whom Al-Biruni wrote: “I can only compare their astronomical and mathematical literature ... to a mixture of pearl shells and sour dates, or of costly crystals and common pebbles. Both kinds of things are equal in their eyes, since they cannot rise themselves to the methods of strictly scientific deduction.”

When faced with an incident of massive scale like the Bali bombing or the September 11 attacks, many of us search for groups or individuals that we can charge with having acted secretly or deceptively. That's because the alternative explanation, that Muslims were capable of doing it, is too uncomfortable to accept. For many Muslims, the starting assumption is invariably the Jews. For Muslims of an earlier era, it was the Freemasons. So within hours of the Bali bombings, some Muslims were declaring quite confidently that it was the Jews behind it, or that America attacked Australia in order to solidify Australia's support for the war. Such an approach is fundamentally flawed, because it leads to conclusions being made in isolation of evidence and proper analysis of that evidence.

This type of thinking promises to offer a final, definitive interpretation of events, but never does because it seeks to reach such an end through complete disregard for evidence or concrete laws. Just as the X-Files tells us, the truth is always out there, but is never completely known and can never be proved conclusively.

The conspirators are almost always seen as being monolithic, unified in purpose, unshaken in their determination to fulfill their nefarious objectives and almost omnipresent. For example, recall the Jordanian journalist who warned against the "great Jewish Zionist mastermind that controls the world's economy, media and politics". The conspiracy theorist oversimplifies and personalizes every event, ignoring the complexities of the situation. Do Jews control the media, or do they influence it? There is a subtle difference. The conspiracy theorist will affirm the former, whereas the latter is demonstrably true. Jews, like other social and political forces, exert pressure on the media through advertising expenditure, participation in the media industry, and so forth.

Anything that occurs which seems in any way related to the aims of the conspirators is attributed to them. For instance, Bali, quite unrelated to Middle Eastern politics on the face of it, was linked to Israel because it was argued that Israel benefited from the attack because it discredited Muslims and therefore strengthened Israeli arguments at the Palestinians.

Evidence or arguments that are actually contrary to the conspiracy theorists position get contorted to actually support the conspiracy. For example, one points out that the 4,000 Jews story is not credible because no reputable media source outside of the Hezbollah substantiated it. The conspiracy theorist may reply that the failure of the media to report the story confirms that it was indeed true. Jews, he will opine, own the media and so naturally they would cover up for their own.

As such, it is almost impossible to reason with a person who has adopted these thought processes. As Donna Kossy writing in Kooks: A Guide to the Outer Limits of Human Belief noted:


Conspiracy theories are like black holes--they suck in everything that comes their way, regardless of content or origin...Everything you've ever known or experienced, no matter how 'meaningless', once it contacts the conspiratorial universe, is enveloped by and cloaked in sinister significance. Once inside, the vortex gains in size and strength, sucking in everything you touch.


The attractiveness of such theories is that they simplify complex issues and make them more comprehensible and palatable to our desires. We can easily rationalize our present problems, by blaming them on an almost omnipotent and omnipresent 'other' that has manipulated the world around us, leaving us powerless to change or stop it. In doing so, it assuages our sense of helplessness by personifying the source of our problems down to a set of identifiable individuals; whether it be the Jews, freemasons, Bilderberg Group or the Illuminati. Being able to blame someone is an integral part of maintaining the faux-victimhood that many Muslims today thrive on.

However, such approaches do severe damage to the cause of Islam and the Muslims.

Firstly, the propagation, however earnest, of such ideas has led to Muslims now facing a crisis of credibility. The association of Muslims with extremist groups and discredited material like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or The International Jew provides our enemies with easy fodder to attack us.

Secondly, the adoption of these theories leads us to enter into alliances, whether overt or tacit, with organizations and individuals that we should be opposed to. For example, in the aftermath of September 11, the Arab News was running articles by American neo-nazi, David Duke, and other Muslims were signing petitions for the right-wing Lyndon Larouche cult.

Thirdly, when we promote such baseless theories, we should know that such ideas are competing with reality for the attention and energies of the people. In many cases, the conspiracy will win over reality because conspiracies are often a lot more attractive to our desires than the truth. It leads to wasted time, wasted resources and a loss of focus for Muslims.

Fourthly, as Muslims we follow a religion whose Creator ordered us to rationalize our faith by observing the world around us and witnessing the miracle of God's creation. Ours is not a religion where reason and reality are pummeled into submission by blind faith. It therefore goes against everything we believe for our intellect to acquiesce to conspiracy theorizing and urban myths.

Lastly and most importantly, conspiracy theories have led Muslims to ignore the most fundamental cause of our problems, whilst focusing on the machinations of the Freemasons or the Zionists. Subscribing to many of the contemporary conspiracy theories can breed feelings of helplessness and despondency. We sit, drinking coffee, lamenting, in hushed tones, our powerlessness against a Masonic conspiracy hatched by the Knights Templar in Medieval Europe; a plan now being executed through backmasked Michael Jackson songs and Madonna videos. In doing so, we are distracting ourselves from our own failings as Muslims which have more genuinely contributed to our condition.

[Mansoor Ali]

Manley Palmer Hall 33° Freemason
'The Secret Teachings of All Ages'

"I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifer, Prince of Demons, that each year I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as as it may please him, and in return Lucifer promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfil my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him. Signed..... { Invocant signs pact with his own blood } " page CIV

'The Lost Keys Of Freemasonry' by Manly Palmer Hall 33°
"When The Mason learns that the Key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the Mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply this energy." page 48

The "key to the warrior on the block" is human sacrifice.

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

Manley Palmer Hall 33° Freemason
'The Secret Teachings of All Ages'

"I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifer, Prince of Demons, that each year I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as as it may please him, and in return Lucifer promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfil my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him. Signed..... { Invocant signs pact with his own blood } " page CIV
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I object to you posting this quote on five grounds.

1. I don't think it's appropriate to post demonic invocations on the IA forum.

2. The original quote actually says "Lucifuge" (a deputy of Satan) rather than Lucifer. I mention this purely for the sake of accuracy, as it does not change the diabolical nature of the invocation.

3. You have mistakenly attributed that quote to Manly P. Hall, when in fact, he was quoting it from someone else.

4. That particular quote is not taken from a Freemasonic text, but rather from The Complete Book of Magic Science, an unpublished text on Ceremonial Magic.

5. Lastly, Hall was not a 33rd Degree Mason at the time he wrote Secret Teachings of All Ages.

Thus, quoting this in a thread about Freemasonry is a non-sequiter.

[Umm Ahmed]

Funny , the one trouser leg rolled up brigade.

[Sawtul Islam]

Here's a video about a woman who was mind controlled and abused by Freemasons!!! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8864457841954131110&q=cathy+o%27brien&total=186&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[Mansoor Ali]

1. I don't think it's appropriate to post demonic invocations on the IA forum.

I was only trying to show that Freemasonry at the highest levels is Satan worship.

The original quote actually says "Lucifuge" (a deputy of Satan) rather than Lucifer.

Thanks for correcting me on that.

4. That particular quote is not taken from a Freemasonic text, but rather from The Complete Book of Magic Science, an unpublished text on Ceremonial Magic.


That quote also exists in The Secret Teachings of All ages.

5. Lastly, Hall was not a 33rd Degree Mason at the time he wrote Secret Teachings of All Ages.

That's not what I was stating. I was merely stating that he was a 33rd degree Mason.

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

That quote also exists in The Secret Teachings of All ages.


Yes, but Manly P. Hall prefaces it by saying:

The following condensed extract from an ancient manuscript is reproduced herewith as representative of the ritualism of ceremonial magic. The extract is from The Complete Book of Magic Science, an unpublished manuscript (original in the British Museum), with pentacles in colors, mentioned by Francis Barrett in his Magus.

So you were still incorrect to ascribe it to Hall. If I published a book with a quote from someone else, you couldn't say that I said it!

Also, Secret Teachings of All Ages is not a Masonic text, it is about Esoteric teaching in general, and that quote appears in the chapter about Ceremonial Magic, not the chapter about Masonry. That quote is not Masonic in origin, so mentioning it here is a non-sequiter. SToAA also has a chapter about Islam where Hall argues against Christian accusations against the Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wa salaam), so by using your logic, the Masons would be Muslims too! I am in no way defending Manly P. Hall, or Masons, or Occultists in general, I just think you should be fair and not ascribe things to them falsely. You have a tendency to regurgitate anything that insane fundamentalist Christian conspiracy theorists say, regardless of whether it's true.

[Mansoor Ali]

Manly Hall was one of the leading figures of Freemasonry and the only point I was trying to make is that Freemasonry is a religion and that religion is Satan worship. Unfortunately some Muslims join clubs that are connected to Freemasonry, unaware of its true nature.

SToAA also has a chapter about Islam where Hall argues against Christian accusations against the Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wa salaam), so by using your logic, the Masons would be Muslims too!

I never quoted Manly Hall's aguments against Christian accusations against the Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wa salaam) so what you've said is rubbish.

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

Manly Hall was one of the leading figures of Freemasonry and the only point I was trying to make is that Freemasonry is a religion and that religion is Satan worship. Unfortunately some Muslims join clubs that are connected to Freemasonry, unaware of its true nature.



I never quoted Manly Hall's aguments against Christian accusations against the Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wa salaam) so what you've said is rubbish.

Manly Hall was not a Mason when he wrote SToAA, and that quote was not from a Masonic source. As a matter of fact, he was never initiated into Freemasonry, and his 33rd Degree was "honorarily conferred" upon him. So you post a non-Masonic quote from someone who was not a Freemason to prove something about Masonry.

[Sawtul Islam]

Manly Hall was not a Mason when he wrote SToAA, and that quote was not from a Masonic source. As a matter of fact, he was never initiated into Freemasonry, and his 33rd Degree was "honorarily conferred" upon him. So you post a non-Masonic quote from someone who was not a Freemason to prove something about Masonry.

You seem to know a ot about Freemasons and even trying to defend them from what you claim are "false accusations", and your arguments are interestingly exactly the same as those used by the Freemasons themselves.

I also find it interesting that you also defended the official story of 9/11 that was presented by the Freemasonic/Illuminati American Government on this thread: http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=7596&page=2
Your insistance on the truthfulness of Freemasons and the US Government is very strange considering that you claim to be a "Salafi".

I dont want to make any assumptions I just want to ask: Who are you???

[Mansoor Ali]

To Tawheedullah:

If you look at the Grand Lodge of British columbia and Yukon web site you can see on the page of famous Freemasons the name Manly P. Hall.

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

You seem to know a ot about Freemasons and even trying to defend them from what you claim are "false accusations", and your arguments are interestingly exactly the same as those used by the Freemasons themselves.

I also find it interesting that you also defended the official story of 9/11 that was presented by the Freemasonic/Illuminati American Government on this thread: http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=7596&page=2
Your insistance on the truthfulness of Freemasons and the US Government is very strange considering that you claim to be a "Salafi".

I dont want to make any assumptions I just want to ask: Who are you???

I didn't defend the Freemasons. The Freemasons are a kufr Occult group. It's just that Mansoor Ali (the muqallid of Alex Jones and David Icke) was blatantly lying.

I never "insisted on the truth" of the Masons.

Also, I never insisted on the "truth of the American government", I insisted on the truth of Shaykh Usamah (hafidhullah). You insist on the truth of idiot kuffar like Alex Jones, who want to snatch the responsility of 9/11 from the hands of the mujahideen and place it in the hands of George Bush.

Who am I? I'm well known on this board. The reason I know so much about the Masons is because I was highly interested in the Occult when I was a teenager. I never defended the Masons. There are plenty of kufr things (http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm) to criticize the Masons for, but I don't condone nonsense, even when it's said about evil people. You conspiracy theorists believe that the Illuminati are some all-powerful force in control of everything in the world. You're even so sick to take a victory of the mujahideen and ascribe it to the American government.

The better question is: Who are you? You're someone who showed up a few weeks ago, spreading "9/11 was an inside job" bull**** and promoting Jahmi aqeedah.

[Sawtul Islam]

The Illuminati are not allpowerful but they are very rich and influencial and have been behind many revolutions and wars, but they certainly dont control EVERYTHING.

I already refuted Alex Jones on that other thread so I dont see why youre again accusing me of following everything he says.

And regarding bin Laden, you are getting your information about him from the American Government, and as I explained on the same thread the bin Laden confession videos are fake and you did not respond, if you want we can continue the debate on that thread.

I also refuted the allegation that Im a "Jahmi" on the "Who are the Jahmiyyah" thread.

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

And regarding bin Laden, you are getting your information about him from the American Government, and as I explained on the same thread the bin Laden confession videos are fake and you did not respond, if you want we can continue the debate on that thread.


I already explained that the videos are NOT fake and the "fat Osama" anomaly is due to an uncorrected PAL aspect ratio.

[Sawtul Islam]

I already explained that the videos are NOT fake and the "fat Osama" anomaly is due to an uncorrected PAL aspect ratio.

didnt you read my response after that?

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

didnt you read my response after that?

Yes. You had no coherent refutation and showed your ignorance of video technology. The video is very clearly Shaykh Usamah, but you persist in showing the worst frame of the video and acting like it's representative of the whole thing.

This is Usamah:

http://www.muckrakerreport.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/PAL_bin_Laden.JPG

[Sawtul Islam]

And regarding bin Laden, you are getting your information about him from the American Government, and as I explained on the same thread the bin Laden confession videos are fake and you did not respond, if you want we can continue the debate on that thread.




Why dont you go back and post on that thread???

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

I give up.

"Every time I argue with a fool I lose" - Hadhrat Ali (radiallahu anhu)

[Mansoor Ali]

You insist on the truth of idiot kuffar like Alex Jones, who want to snatch the responsility of 9/11 from the hands of the mujahideen and place it in the hands of George Bush.


I don't trust alex Jones, he's a disinformation agent.

You insist on the lie that Muslims did 9/11 - a conspiracy theory that is phisically impossible.

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

I don't trust alex Jones, he's a disinformation agent.

You insist on the lie that Muslims did 9/11 - a conspiracy theory that is phisically impossible.

Nothing is physically impossible if Allah (subhanu wa ta'ala) wills it to happen.

[Sawtul Islam]

I give up.

"Every time I argue with a fool I lose" - Hadhrat Ali (radiallahu anhu)

You mean I lost???

[Mansoor Ali]

Nothing is physically impossible if Allah (subhanu wa ta'ala) wills it to happen.

The theory that the World Trade Centre was destroyed by the plane crashes is physically impossible. The World Trade Centre was destroyed in a controlled demolition.

[Sawtul Islam]

Here's a strange and interesting documentary about 9/11:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5593625716278478823&q=9%2F11+clues&total=183&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

[Mansoor Ali]

Freemasonry is the Worship of Satan

PART ONE

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[Abdullah Abbas]

Assalaamu-alaikum,

I wanted to know if any brothers or sisters know of any good books regarding freemasonry. I know there's three books: Freemasons and Dajjal by Kamran Raad, Global Freemasonry by Harun Yahya, and The Secret World by Abu Eesa Al Kanadi. The ones by Kamran Raad and Abu Eesa are very good and interesting, but Allah (swt) knows best about their authenticity, whereas the one by Harun Yahya is quite boring compared to the others as he keeps bringing materialism into all his books and he doesn't discuss the concept or discussion at hand. Some brother told me that Abu Amina Bilal Philips wrote one but im sure he was mistaken cos as far as I know, I dont recall Abu Amina writing a book on freemasonry. Jazakallah khair. :D

Wasalaamu-Alikum Warahmatullah


http://www.missionislam.com/nwo/index.htm << Exposing Freemasonry

if you send me a pm i can send you some more anti masonic ebooks

ramadhan kareem , salamu alaikum

[Mansoor Ali]

Freemasonry is the Worship of Satan

PART TWO

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[Mansoor Ali]

Freemasonry is the Worship of Satan

PART THREE

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[Mansoor Ali]

Freemasonry is the Worship of Satan

PART FOUR

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[Mansoor Ali]

Freemasonry is the Worship of Satan

PART FIVE

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[Mansoor Ali]

LIST OF MASONIC AUTHORITIES WHO REFER TO FREEMASONRY AS A RELIGION:

Albert Mackey—The Mystic Tie, p.32
—Lexicon of Freemasonry, p.404
—Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, p.439, 619
—Mackey's Revised Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, Vol. 2, p. 847
—Textbook of Masonic Jurisdiction, p.95
Henry Wilson Coil—A Comprehensive View of Freemasonry, p.234
—Coil's Masonic Encyclopedia, p. 158
Albert Pike—Morals and Dogma, p. 213, 219, 718 (He calls it "a worship" on pp. 219,
526)
Joseph Fort Newton—The Builder's, p. 243, 258
— The Religion of Masonry, pp. 10, 11
J.S.M. Ward—Freemasonry: Its Aims and Ideals, pp. 182, 185, 187
New Age Magazine (official organ of the Scottish Rite)—Feb. 1959, p. 107-108

--- Fritz Springmeier, Be Wise As Serpents.

[abumuwahid]

I don't trust alex Jones, he's a disinformation agent.


Wow!

A conspiracy theory about a conspiracy theorist!

:D

[Mansoor Ali]

Wow!

A conspiracy theory about a conspiracy theorist!

:D

Prove that's a conspiracy theory.

[Mansoor Ali]

Some oaths in Freemasonry:

"[I consent to] binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and my body buried in the rough sands of the sea, at low-water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I ever knowingly violate this my Entered Apprentice obligation." First degree oath of Freemasonry.

"[I consent to] binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my breast torn open, my heart plucked out, and placed on the highest pinnacle of the temple there to be devoured by the vultures of the air, should I ever knowingly violate the Fellow Craft obligation." Second degree oath of Freemasonry.

"[I consent to] binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my body severed in two, my bowels taken from thence and burned to ashes, the ashes scattered before the four winds of heaven, that no more remembrance might be had of so vile and wicked a wretch as I would be, should I ever, knowingly, violate this my Master Mason's obligation." Third degree oath of Freemasonry.

"[I consent to] binding myself under no less penalty than (in addition to all my former penalties) to have my tongue split from tip to root, that I might thereafter be unable to pronounce the word." Fifth degree oath of Freemasonry.

"[I consent to] binding myself under no less penalty than to have my breast torn open, and my heart and vitals taken from thence, and exposed to rot on the dunghill." Sixth degree oath of the York Rite Freemasonry.

[Mansoor Ali]

"What we must say to the crowd is: -We worship a God, but it is the God that one worships without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say, so that you can repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: -The Masonic religion must be, by all of us initiates of the high grades, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, Adonai whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, his barbarism and repulsion of science -if Lucifer were not God, would Adonai and his priests slander him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately so is Adonai. For the eternal law is that there is no splendor without shadow, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, because the absolute can only exist as two, because darkness is necessary to light to serve as its compliment, as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, as the brake to the locomotive ... The true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, equal to Adonai, but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is fighting for humanity against Adonai, God of Darkness and God of Evil." Albert Pike, Confederate General, 33rd Degree Mason and Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry, address to the 23 Confederated Supreme Councils of the World, 14 July 1889

[Mansoor Ali]

Albert Pike:
"Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism, and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be mislead; to conceal the Truth, which it calls light, and draw them away from it." [Morals and Dogma, p. 104-5, 3rd Degree]

Pike then completes his instructions to intentionally mislead those members of the visible society, by saying: "So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray." [Ibid., p. 105]

Members of the visible society are referred to as the 'masses', and comprise around 95% of all Masons. Listen to what Pike says about telling the truth of the organization to the 'masses': "A Spirit", he said, "that loves wisdom and contemplates the Truth close at hand, is forced to disguise it, to induce the multitudes to accept it ... Fictions are necessary to the people, and the Truth becomes deadly to those who are not strong enough to contemplate it in all its brilliance." [Morals and Dogma, p. 103, 3rd Degree;]

If a person is not capable of accepting the Truth that inner-core, invisible Freemasonry really worships Satan, then such Truth would become "deadly" to you. Therefore, "fictions are necessary" so visible Masons would not be so devastated that they would leave Freemasonry and expose its inner secrets. --- Ralph Epperson.