Nahw al Wadih

[KnowledgeSeeker]

As salaamu alaykum.

Do any of our Arabic speaking brothers and sisters, who have acquired the language either as their mother tongue or through study, have any thoughts, opinions, comments, etc. regarding an Nahw al Wadih?

How good is it for one just learning Arabic? How much depth does it go into? Where would one ideally go in terms of texts after completing and understanding nahw al Wadih?

Anyone have any clue?

[Fajr]

Wa `alaykumusalaam wa rahmatullaah

Both books (1 and 2) are quite good, Book 2 is very advanced and perhaps aimed at university level, so I wouldn't recommend it to someone just learning Arabic.

The 'selling point' of the books is probably the amount of exercises they have and also the categorisation of the rules, which is very good - e.g. the qa'idah (rule) is stated, followed by many examples and even more exercises. They do go very deep and it employs the use of poetry to explain rules (which we need to start getting used to insha'Allah)

We're you specifically referring to book 1 only, because after book 2, unless you wish to specialise in grammar, I don't think you really need much!

[KnowledgeSeeker]

Wa `alaykumusalaam wa rahmatullaah

Both books (1 and 2) are quite good, Book 2 is very advanced and perhaps aimed at university level, so I wouldn't recommend it to someone just learning Arabic.

The 'selling point' of the books is probably the amount of exercises they have and also the categorisation of the rules, which is very good - e.g. the qa'idah (rule) is stated, followed by many examples and even more exercises. They do go very deep and it employs the use of poetry to explain rules (which we need to start getting used to insha'Allah)

We're you specifically referring to book 1 only, because after book 2, unless you wish to specialise in grammar, I don't think you really need much!

So if one finishes up to book 2, you dont' see any need in going beyond that to book 3?

And what if one does not necessarily want to specialize in grammar, but would like to study it in greater depth in later years, preferably under a teacher, would you say that Book 3 is best not studied if one is going to study works like Qatru an Nada later on?

On a similar note, would you compare Book 3 of the Nahw al Wadih series to Qatru an Nada? Or is Qatru an Nada a more advanced text?

Eagerly awaiting a reply insha'allah.

[Fajr]

Erm not sure if we're on the same ball here - which publication of Nahw al-Wadhih do you currently have? I was referring to the 2 volume one which is at Secondary/Uni level (they teach from it in the Arab universities). Perhaps you meant the Ibtidaa'i series. If you charify that insha'Allaah.

Nahw al-Wadhih (marhala al-thanawi/jaami'i) covers much more than Qatr al-Nada. I don't think you need most of Qatr al-Nada or Ajroomiyyah at all if you complete the Nahw al-Wadhih series, some chapters towards the end of Qatr al-Nada are useful though (e.g. asma al-fi3l, mubalagha, ta'ajjub)

[KnowledgeSeeker]

To be honest sister, I did not know that there were two different versions of "Nahw al Wadih" out there. Have both the 2 and 3 volume sets been authored by the same authors?

And how would your answers to my questions change if we were speaking about the 3 volume ibtidaa'i set as opposed to the 2 volume one used for university study?

I've learned a lot from your answers so I hope that you can answer these questions as well insha'allah.

Barakallahu fee.

[Ibn Muhammad]

Maybe what KnowledgeSeeker is referring to is the 3 sections of an-Nahu al-Waadih from the first volume? As far as I know the book only has 2 volumes.

Another good book to study from would be ad-Duroos an-Nahawiyyah, I personally preferred that over an-Nahu al-Waadih due to the various diagrams it contains which makes the learning process that much easier.

[Fajr]

Ok, I see. Maybe you mean the 3 different juz that each volume contains. This is the Ibtidaa'i (http://www.saaid.net/book/9/2331.zip) book, I was unable to find an online copy of the 2nd vol. Both are by the same authors Ali al-Jarim and Mustafa Amin - you're best off getting the Shar'iyyah publication as it's somewhat more 'user-friendly'

And how would your answers to my questions change if we were speaking about the 3 volume ibtidaa'i set as opposed to the 2 volume one used for university study? After the ibtida'i, you'd definitely need to move onto either Qatr al-Nada, shar7 Sh. Fawzan (from say mid-section to the end) or carry on with the Nahw al-Wadhih volume 2, all 3 parts - or other books that cover the same level grammar.

Just a note on when I said the Wadhih covers more than Qatr al-Nada, I meant more in terms of sharh, application (of prose, Qur'an and poetry) & exercises as well as some extra grammar (I think like ighra/tahdheer, nudba, ikhtisas etc). I prefer books that have many exercises because purely theoretical grammar doesn't sink in well with students, they'd need the practise more so.

[KnowledgeSeeker]

Ok, I see. Maybe you mean the 3 different juz that each volume contains. This is the Ibtidaa'i (http://www.saaid.net/book/9/2331.zip) book, I was unable to find an online copy of the 2nd vol. Both are by the same authors Ali al-Jarim and Mustafa Amin - you're best off getting the Shar'iyyah publication as it's somewhat more 'user-friendly'.

So sister, let me get this straight, the "ibtida'i" version of Nahw al Wadih, is merely the name given to the first of the two books/volumes of Nahw al Wadih, which is then broken down in this juz? Am I right in understanding that? Or indeed is there two distinct version of Nahw al Wadhih, one being called the Ibtidaa'i in 3 Juz and one being called the 2 Volume University level one?

So that you can understand my confusion, I will post links to two different (in terms of the number of volumes) book sets called an "Nahw al Wadhih" from the alkitab.com website

http://www.alkitab.com/main.asp?uri=1029&cat=1.150.156|page=1&pi=3316
(3 Volumes)


http://www.alkitab.com/main.asp?uri=1029&cat=1.150.156|page=1&pi=767
(2 Volumes)



After the ibtida'i, you'd definitely need to move onto either Qatr al-Nada, shar7 Sh. Fawzan (from say mid-section to the end) or carry on with the Nahw al-Wadhih volume 2, all 3 parts - or other books that cover the same level grammar.

So would you suggest, perhaps, going through the 3 volume Ibtida'i series (if such a thing exists), then going through Volume 1 of the University level Nahw al Wadih, then moving on to Volume 2 of the University level Nahw al Wadih OR Qatru an Nada?

Sorry if I seem very confused, but I am. I do appreciate your help though.

Barakallahu fee.

[Fajr]

Ok, kinda confused me now!

Both links you gave are of the Ibtida'i level... the books only seem to differ in publication.

I've managed to locate the 2 different levels/volumes so you can see. These are however a slightly different publication to the one I have:

Here's the Ibtida'i (http://www.neelwafurat.com/itempage.aspx?id=lbb127640-87767&search=books)
And here's the Thanawi (http://www.neelwafurat.com/itempage.aspx?id=lbb143911-105145&search=books)

Basically, the 1st volume of al-Nahw al-Wadhih is for what they call Marhala al-Ibtida'iyyah. This is taught at primary/elementary school. It divides into 3 chapters.

The 2nd volume of al-Nahw al-Wadhih is for Marhala al-Thanawiyyah i.e. for high school and above. It also contains 3 chapters, each roughly 150+ pages.

So overall, there's only really 2 volumes. Sometimes to make it easy for students, publishers split the chapters of each volume into a book of its own (book 1, 2 and 3)

After Volume 1 of Nahw al-W. (i.e. the Ibtida'i), then yes you'd either go on to 2nd volume of Nahw al-W. or Qatr al-Nada (mid-section till end)

Hope that make a little more sense insha'Allah!

[KnowledgeSeeker]

Barakallahu Fee ukhti.