View Full Version : This is how Ash'arism and Sufism spread...
Abuz Zubair
15th June 2006, 11:09 AM
... by lying, spreading false propaganda, treachery, spying, collaborating with the oppressors from the crusaders.
Does anyone need more evidence that the Sufis are the enemies within?
Teacher witnessed transformation of some bomb-plot suspects
Last Updated Thu, 08 Jun 2006 18:06:10 EDT
CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/credit.html)
A Muslim religious leader in Toronto who knows some of those charged in the suspected bomb plot says the young men underwent rapid transformations from normal Canadian teenagers to radicalized introverts.
<table align="right" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="4" hspace="4" width="220"> <tbody><tr> <td align="center"> http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2006/06/07/bombplot-courtroom060607.jpg </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"> Alleged bomb-plot suspects in a Brampton courtroom on Tuesday. (John Mantha/CBC)
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Sayyid Ahmed Amiruddin got to know Saad Khalid, 19, and some of the other alleged conspirators at a local mosque.
Khalid was arrested last Friday at a warehouse, where he and another suspect allegedly took delivery of what they thought was ammonium nitrate, a fertilizer, and the same substance used in the deadly Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.
Fifteen others are also facing charges connected to the alleged plot.
Entered mosque to pray
Amiruddin says Khalid used to come to his mosque to pray, sometimes in the company of Zakaria Amara and Fahim Ahmad, two of the alleged ringleaders.
"They would enter into the mosque to pray, and they would pray in a very aggressive manner, and they would come in military fatigues and military touques and stuff. It looked to me that they were watching a lot of those Chechnyan jihad videos online and stuff."
Amiruddin is a teacher of Sufism, a traditional brand of Islam that rejects the ideology of jihad. Amiruddin says the group was seduced by hardline propaganda financed by the Saudi government and promoting a strict, Wahhabi brand of Islam.
He says the Saudis have flooded Canada with free Qur'ans, laced with jihadist commentary.
"In the back of these Qur'ans that are being published in Saudi Arabia, you have basically essays on the need for offensive jihad and the legitimacy of offensive jihad and things like that. Very alarming stuff," he said.
Amiruddin said many mainstream Muslim organizations in Canada are really part of the problem, standing by as extremist propaganda spreads in the mosques.
He cites the Al-Rahman centre in Mississauga, Ont., which he links to the Al-Maghrib Institute, which runs a popular educational website. It's nominally run out of Ottawa, but Amiruddin says it's really a Saudi operation.
Recruiting young teens
Amiruddin says Khalid underwent a rapid transition from a clean-cut Canadian teenager to a long-haired, radicalized introvert.
He says the young men would pray by themselves, and try to recruit younger teens to the fundamentalist Wahhabi view.
Amiruddin says Khalid stopped coming to the mosque after he befriended 43-year-old Qayyum Abdul Jamal, another key suspect, who once preached that Canadian forces were in Afghanistan to rape Muslim women.
Amiruddin also has a theory as to why Khalid may have been open to such influences.
"His mother passed away and let's say within the first month of his mom passing away, his girlfriend, who was not Muslim, dumped him. And then from that within a year you have this radical turnaround right? Even Fahim Ahmad, he was in love with a girl who constantly rejected him, right? Maybe he was just looking for love? I can't say for certain, but this was something I found common with these young guys."
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/06/08/amiruddin08062006.html
waziri
15th June 2006, 12:49 PM
This traitor say's they "prayed in a aggresive manner" subhanaAllah hoe does someone pray in a aggresive manner?
He is a teacher of sufism that "rejects the ideology of jihad", that is like saying he rejects the salah or the zakah.Before they would try and change the meaning of jihad, I think now they want to try and erase it from Islam.
"He says the Saudis have flooded Canada with free Qur'ans, laced with jihadist commentary"
If the saudi government have anything in common with the sufis it would have to be their hatred/fear of jihad.This is the old blame the wahabis trick that we have seen so many times in the past.THE WAHABIS DID IT.
"His mother passed away and let's say within the first month of his mom passing away, his girlfriend, who was not Muslim, dumped him. And then from that within a year you have this radical turnaround right? Even Fahim Ahmad, he was in love with a girl who constantly rejected him, right? Maybe he was just looking for love? I can't say for certain, but this was something I found common with these young guys."
That is exactly the kind of explanation that a kaafir would need to rely on to try and understand why someone would want to fight back.
WM
15th June 2006, 02:03 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/19/AR2006051901769_pf.html
Proof above that it is a war against Islam and those who truly practice it and folllow the Sunnah. Please read the above articles; the kuffar take issue with the following statements in Saudi textbooks. If you are a Muslim and are reading this, ask yourself; is a single one of these statements false, or against the sunnah? These statements are the so-called "wahhabi" hatred that the sufis are speaking against:
from Saudi textbooks:
FIRST GRADE
" Every religion other than Islam is false."
"Fill in the blanks with the appropriate words (Islam, hellfire): Every religion other than ______________ is false. Whoever dies outside of Islam enters ____________."
FOURTH GRADE
"True belief means . . . that you hate the polytheists and infidels but do not treat them unjustly."
FIFTH GRADE
"Whoever obeys the Prophet and accepts the oneness of God cannot maintain a loyal friendship with those who oppose God and His Prophet, even if they are his closest relatives."
"It is forbidden for a Muslim to be a loyal friend to someone who does not believe in God and His Prophet, or someone who fights the religion of Islam."
"A Muslim, even if he lives far away, is your brother in religion. Someone who opposes God, even if he is your brother by family tie, is your enemy in religion."
SIXTH GRADE
"Just as Muslims were successful in the past when they came together in a sincere endeavor to evict the Christian crusaders from Palestine, so will the Arabs and Muslims emerge victorious, God willing, against the Jews and their allies if they stand together and fight a true jihad for God, for this is within God's power."
EIGHTH GRADE
"As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the people of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christians, the infidels of the communion of Jesus."
"God told His Prophet, Muhammad, about the Jews, who learned from parts of God's book [the Torah and the Gospels] that God alone is worthy of worship. Despite this, they espouse falsehood through idol-worship, soothsaying, and sorcery. In doing so, they obey the devil. They prefer the people of falsehood to the people of the truth out of envy and hostility. This earns them condemnation and is a warning to us not to do as they did."
"They are the Jews, whom God has cursed and with whom He is so angry that He will never again be satisfied [with them]."
"Some of the people of the Sabbath were punished by being turned into apes and swine. Some of them were made to worship the devil, and not God, through consecration, sacrifice, prayer, appeals for help, and other types of worship. Some of the Jews worship the devil. Likewise, some members of this nation worship the devil, and not God."
"Activity: The student writes a composition on the danger of imitating the infidels."
NINTH GRADE
"The clash between this [Muslim] community (umma) and the Jews and Christians has endured, and it will continue as long as God wills."
"It is part of God's wisdom that the struggle between the Muslim and the Jews should continue until the hour [of judgment]."
"Muslims will triumph because they are right. He who is right is always victorious, even if most people are against him."
TENTH GRADE
The 10th-grade text on jurisprudence teaches that life for non-Muslims (as well as women, and, by implication, slaves) is worth a fraction of that of a "free Muslim male." Blood money is retribution paid to the victim or the victim's heirs for murder or injury:
"Blood money for a free infidel. [Its quantity] is half of the blood money for a male Muslim, whether or not he is 'of the book' or not 'of the book' (such as a pagan, Zoroastrian, etc.).
"Blood money for a woman: Half of the blood money for a man, in accordance with his religion. The blood money for a Muslim woman is half of the blood money for a male Muslim, and the blood money for an infidel woman is half of the blood money for a male infidel."
ELEVENTH GRADE
"The greeting 'Peace be upon you' is specifically for believers. It cannot be said to others."
"If one comes to a place where there is a mixture of Muslims and infidels, one should offer a greeting intended for the Muslims."
"Do not yield to them [Christians and Jews] on a narrow road out of honor and respect."
TWELFTH GRADE
"Jihad in the path of God -- which consists of battling against unbelief, oppression, injustice, and those who perpetrate it -- is the summit of Islam. This religion arose through jihad and through jihad was its banner raised high. It is one of the noblest acts, which brings one closer to God, and one of the most magnificent acts of obedience to God."
terrorthreat
15th June 2006, 03:06 PM
I think the issue of allying with the disbelievers against the believers is something that needs to be propagated everywhere with all the daleel. An effort should be made to collect the statements of as many scholars as possible throughout Islamic History who talked about its apostasy. This way you will warn the youth against it and even the older generation.
We need to tell as many muslims as possible since I have noticed an increase in recent times of the amount of traitors among us and people justifying the treason.
Abu_Abdallah
15th June 2006, 04:31 PM
I think the issue of allying with the disbelievers against the believers is something that needs to be propagated everywhere with all the daleel. An effort should be made to collect the statements of as many scholars as possible throughout Islamic History who talked about its apostasy. This way you will warn the youth against it and even the older generation.
We need to tell as many muslims as possible since I have noticed an increase in recent times of the amount of traitors among us and people justifying the treason.
al-Salamu 'Alaikum wa-Rahmatullah,
I don't think many know the following fact - I neither knew it untill some months ago:
The first 'Muslim' or one who ascribed himself to Islam and allied with the Kâfirin in the history of Islam was none other than the party of al-Harith b. Surayj and Jahm b. Safwan al-Rasibi, the famous Murtadd and Mu'attil. He allied with the unbelieving Turks (before they became Muslims) beyond mâ warâ al-nahr (i.e. Khurasan) against the Muslims.
So it seems that the 'sunnah' of alliance with the Kuffâr started with Jahm b. Safwan - the dâ'i of al-Harith b. Surayj - with whom also the Da'wah of Ta'wil & Ta 'til started..
wa-Allahu Musta'an
waziri
15th June 2006, 05:00 PM
I was talking to someone about the kuffar of assisting the kaafirs against the muslims and this person mentioned a incident in which once a sahabi wrote to the kuffar and informed them of the plans of the muslims,when the muslims found out he said that he was compelled to do such a thing because he had family in mecca(amongst the kuffar)and he feared some harm would come to them if he didnt do what he did.
So my question is what is the explanation for this,how do we respond to someone who tries to use this incident to try and prove that it is not apostacy to assist the kuffar against the muslims.
JazakAllah khayr
wasalam
terrorthreat
15th June 2006, 05:41 PM
I was talking to someone about the kuffar of assisting the kaafirs against the muslims and this person mentioned a incident in which once a sahabi wrote to the kuffar and informed them of the plans of the muslims,when the muslims found out he said that he was compelled to do such a thing because he had family in mecca(amongst the kuffar)and he feared some harm would come to them if he didnt do what he did.
So my question is what is the explanation for this,how do we respond to someone who tries to use this incident to try and prove that it is not apostacy to assist the kuffar against the muslims.
JazakAllah khayr
wasalam
A very good explanation and respone to this doubt that people bring up can be found in the following book in the responding to doubts section near the end. What you are refering to is the Hadith of Hatib.
http://www.muwahhideen.com/tibyan/TheExposition.pdf
terrorthreat
15th June 2006, 05:43 PM
And here is another good book written by Shaykh Sulayman ibn Abdul Wahhab(rh)
http://www.muwahhideen.com/tibyan/adDalaail.pdf
Sabr Wa Shukr
15th June 2006, 09:48 PM
http://www.almaghrib.org/documents/statementJune9.pdf
Intoodeep
16th June 2006, 01:21 AM
lets be just here, its only one completely munafiq 'sufi' who has said this and funnyily enough i think hes a follower of the infamous shaykh Nazim al Haqqani al wacko, that should explain everthing.
the other point i have is did AlMaghrib have to panic and start running scared and shut down there forums (since when does upgrade take that long!?!?) and respond with a statement like that etc? They didnt need to do that and should not fear the blame of the blamers as Allah (swt) says in the Quran Surah Al-Maai'dah verse 53-54:
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"O you who have believed, whoever of you turns back from His (Allah's) religion, then Allah will eventually come up with a people He loves and who love Him, humble towards the believers, mightily proud towards the disbelievers, fighting in the Way of Allah; and they do not fear the blame of (any) blamer. That is the Grace of Allah which He bestows on whom He wills; and Allah is all-Encompassing, Ever-Knowing."
waziri
16th June 2006, 11:42 AM
JazakAllah khayr akhee for that.
wasalam
Umm Ahmed
16th June 2006, 02:34 PM
lets be just here, its only one completely munafiq 'sufi' who has said this and funnyily enough i think hes a follower of the infamous shaykh Nazim al Haqqani al wacko, that should explain everthing.
Yes lets be just here, you have said " only one " sufi is a munafiq then its time for you to get your head out of the sand . Strange how they singled out the magrib forums dont you think ? hmm is it because maybe those brothers were refuting his sufiness in the Masjid ? Or he himself is on the "world wide web " ? and knows that we turn to the brothers there to refute thier deviant beliefs ? There have been many threads on Al-Magrib regarding some of the Sufis beliefs . Oh how the shaytan works anoudibilah .
Where I am,Syrian teenager sufis are rampant in the schools trying keep local students away from thier studies and putting doubts in thier minds about Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab.
Furthermore brother I dont know if your on a lot of forums but if you can go to the many forums available to the muslims, you will see the Sufi's regularly launching threads to place doubts in the aqeeda of ahlul sunnah wa jammah and the followers of the Quran and sunnah and the salaaf .
the other point i have is did AlMaghrib have to panic and start running scared and shut down there forums (since when does upgrade take that long!?!?) and respond with a statement like that etc? They didnt need to do that and should not fear the blame of the blamers
hmm " Panic " " Running scared" Isn't there such a thing as taking precautions ? there is no fear prayer ? If anyone does not think we are at war then they are only deceiving themselves .
Finally if one has the means, then get out of these countries they are not worth holding on to .
And Allah subhaanah wa taalah knows best.
terrorthreat
16th June 2006, 06:18 PM
The statement was very diluted and out right unnessecary. Why would you start talking about 'moderate islam' and stuff like this and lower yourself to the level of the sell out groups. There was no need to make such a statement just because some sufis were making wild accusations. The fact that they made such a sell-out statement makes them look 'guilty'. Even the kuffar will question why do they need to make such a statement? Unless they know there teachings led to this. After this point the next tiem something happens they will pressure the institute even more to get them to give up so more ground until they end up like the rest of the sell outs and traitors.
We must understand that the goal of the kuffar is to get us to surrender our deen and be subserviant to there ways.
Intoodeep
16th June 2006, 07:40 PM
you have said " only one " sufi is a munafiq then its time for you to get your head out of the sand .
i mean't in this specific incidence. He is the only one being critical of Al Maghrib institute, unless you know of more. I know there are many other deviants allying with the disbelievers, but i wasnt talking about them.
hmm " Panic " " Running scared" Isn't there such a thing as taking precautions ? there is no fear prayer ? If anyone does not think we are at war then they are only deceiving themselves .
Sorry but taking precautions from What?!?!? Al Maghrib steers clear of anything controversial, they are a bone fide teaching institute with nothing to worry about.
Umm Ahmed
17th June 2006, 04:18 PM
Sorry but taking precautions from What?!?!? Al Maghrib steers clear of anything controversial, they are a bone fide teaching institute with nothing to worry about.
Sorry brother/ sister but you might not be aware of what is going on around you . The kuffar dont care about what you or I call teaching institutes . As long as any muslim is teaching Islam like its supposed to be taught then your not safe. What do you think Ali Taammi's crime was ? Or the brothers whose house was raided in Uk recently ?
Allah in the Quran warns us of the Jews and the Christians so we should take heed .
DemhaNahk12
4th July 2008, 06:41 AM
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