Is This Authenticated???

[slaveofLord_22]

Jābir ibn Abd Allāh t said to the Prophet , “O Messenger of God, may my father and mother be sacrificed for you, tell me of the first thing God created before all things.” He said:

O Jābir, the first thing God created was the light of your Prophet from His light, and that light remained in the midst of His Power for as long as He wished, and there was not, at that time, a Tablet or a Pen or a Paradise or a Fire or an angel or a heaven or an earth. And when God wished to create creation, he divided that Light into four parts and from the first made the Pen, from the second the Tablet, from the third the Throne, then He divided the fourth into four parts [and from them created everything else].

Abd ar-Razzāq (d. 211) narrates it in his Musannaf. Bayhaqi (d. 458) narrates it with a different wording in Dalā'il al-nubūwwa.According to Zurqāni in his Sharh al-mawāhib (1:56)[Maktaba al-amira in Cairo] and Diyārbakri in Tarikh al-khamis (1:20).


Could someone shed light on this hadees???

Was-Salaam

[abu hafs]

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=874
It should suffice

[Abu_Abdallah]

See http://www.siratemustaqeem.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=14080&highlight=#14080

See also: http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vb/showthread.php?t=71477

How far people go - these days! - in lying against the Prophet, 'alayhi al-salam.

[slaveofLord_22]

JazakAllaahu khaira for that spontaneous reply

[Abuz Zubair]

Hamza Yusuf also refers to this in his edition of al-Tahawiyya.

[nobody]

plz also shed some light on this. ( http://www.sunnah.org/history/Scholars/Al-Tabari.htm )


This alludes to the hadith narrated from the Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him --: "Seek knowledge even as far as China."2

2Narrated from Anas by al-Bayhaqi in Shu`ab al-Iman and al-Madkhal, Ibn `Abd al-Barr in Jami` Bayan al-`Ilm, and al-Khatib through three chains at the opening of his al-Rihla fi Talab al-Hadith (p. 71-76 #1-3) where our shaykh Dr. Nur al-Din `Itr declares it weak (da`if). Also narrated from Ibn `Umar, Ibn `Abbas, Ibn Mas`ud, Jabir, and Abu Sa`id, all through very weak chains. The hadith master al-Mizzi said it has so many chains that it deserves a grade of fair (hasan), as quoted by al-Sakhawi in al-Maqasid al-Hasana. Al-`Iraqi in his Mughni `an Haml al-Asfar similarly stated that some scholars declared it sound (sahih) for that reason, although al-Hakim and al-Dhahabi correctly said no sound chain is known for it. Ibn `Abd al-Barr's "Salafi" editor Abu al-Ashbal al-Zuhayri declares the hadith hasan in Jami` Bayan al-`Ilm (1:23ff.) but all the above fair gradings actually apply to the wording: "Seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim." The first to declare this hadith forged is Ibn al-Qaysarani (d. 507) in his Ma`rifa al-Tadhkira (p. 101 #118). This grading was kept by Ibn al-Jawzi in his Mawdu`at but rejected, among others, by al-Suyuti in al-La'ali' (1:193), al-Mizzi, al-Dhahabi in Talkhis al-Wahiyat, al-Bajuri's student Shams al-Din al-Qawuqji (d. 1305) in his book al-Lu'lu' al-Marsu` (p. 40 #49), and notably by the Indian muhaddith Muhammad Tahir al-Fattani (d. 986) in his Tadhkira al-Mawdu`at (p. 17) in which he declares it hasan. Al-Munawi, like Ibn `Abd al-Barr, gave an excellent explanation of the hadith in his Fayd al-Qadir (1:542). See also its discussion in al-`Ajluni's Kashf al-Khafa' under the hadith: "Seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim," itself a fair (hasan) narration in Ibn Majah because of its many chains as stated by al-Mizzi, although al-Nawawi in his Fatawa (p. 258) declared it weak. Cf. al-Sindi's Hashya Sunan Ibn Majah (1:99) and al-Sakhawi's al-Maqasid al-Hasana (p. 275-277).

[abu hafs]

http://islamiclawetc.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/not-a-hadith-%e2%80%9cseek-knowledge-as-far-as-china%e2%80%9d/

[Abu_Abdallah]

Hamza Yusuf also refers to this in his edition of al-Tahawiyya.

That it is a shameful fabrication, or does he use it?

[Magoo]

all sufis use it, they normally mention it and then talk about it for an hour and then when no one is listening they mention the weakness in the narration..

[alkathiri]

Beliefs of Nur muhammad??

[Abuz Zubair]

That it is a shameful fabrication, or does he use it?
He uses it and refers it back to the so-called al-juz al-mafqud.

[Abu Maryam PK]

Bismillah
He uses it and refers it back to the so-called al-juz al-mafqud.

That's a shame. For those who might not know, the UAE sufis (aided by a minister) claimed that they found a "lost" (mafquud) manuscript of Musannaf abd al-Razzaq in Afghanistan, which contains the hadith of "Light of the Prophet sallallahoalaihiwasallam". It was a manifest forgery, may Allah Destroy their hands. "The one who lies upon me knowingly, should take his place in fire" (Bukhari and Muslim from the famous mutawatir hadith).

It's shocking that despite such ample abuse of Sunnah, the big sheikh wrote a blurb to the book, may Allah Guide him. Maybe he wrote the blurb without reading the book, but if he did it is a sin to aid Ahlul Bid'ah, especially when they choose to lie on the Prophet sallallaho'alaihiwasallam [i wouldn't be surprised if HY would now say there is difference between lying for him and on him. See Fathul Bari for a refutation of those who do so.]

[Abu Ikrimah]

He uses it and refers it back to the so-called al-juz al-mafqud.

Yes, as Abu Maryam said, this book is recommended by a famous (genuine) scholar of Hadeeth. Where on earth does that leave the layman ...

[zaid_ibn_ali]

Yes, as Abu Maryam said, this book is recommended by a famous (genuine) scholar of Hadeeth. Where on earth does that leave the layman ...

Isa al Humayri (sp?) of Dubai ministry or someoneelse you're reffering too?

[Abu_Abdallah]

Isa al-Himyari is already known for lying, him aiding it does not make him one.

[zaid_ibn_ali]

Having read more on the subject, I think the 'hadeeth scholar' referred to above by brother Abu Ikrimah is Shaykh Mamduh? I have read that there may be uncertainty as to whether Shaykh Mamduh actually authorised his name being associated with this so called 'project'. As for the so called 'project' itself, sounds like a case of da vinci code.

I believe even GF Haddad has acknowledged it is forged.

Did anyone besides Al Qastallani (sp?) in the past attribute this 'hadith' to the musannaf of Abd Razzaq?

[Abu Ikrimah]

Isa al Humayri (sp?) of Dubai ministry or someoneelse you're reffering too?


I had the english reading Muslim in mind.

This hadeeth (as mentioned) was used by hamza Yusuf in his sharh of at-tahaawiyah - and this was recommended by Shaykh Suhaib Hasan, who is a genuine scholar of hadeeth whom we all respect and trust....

My point was that the average Muslim may not therefore be blameworthy for reading and believing this, but it certainly adds to the confusion we are living in .....

[Abu_Abdallah]

Allah Curses those who lie upon His Messenger, as the Messenger himself informed the liar to take his seat in Hell-fire if he or she lies against him..

[Abu Maryam PK]

Bismillah
Here is a gem from deoband fatwa-machine:
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Is the Prophet peace be upon him's nur the first thing to be created? Also, was it created before Adam alayhis salam's?

</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table style="width: 100%;" class="style8"> <tbody><tr> <td> <table style="width: 96%;" class="style7" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="style2">Answer: 3126</td> <td class="style4">29 Jan, 2008</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table style="width: 96%;" align="center" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td>Hazrat Hakimul Ummah, Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi has mentioned a Hadith in his book نشر الطیب فی ذکر النبی الحبیب صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم with reference of Ahkam bin Al-Qattan that Hazrat Ali bin Al-Hussain (Zainul Abdeen) narrated from his father Hazrat Hussain (رضی اللہ عنہ) and he narrated from his father (Hazrat Ali رضی اللہ عنہ) that the Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم said: ?I was a noor (light) in front of my Lord some forty thousand years before the birth of Hazrat Adam (علیہ السلام)

There are some more traditions which prove that the noor of the Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم was created in the earliest time, some traditions say that his noor was created before the Tablet, the Pen, earth, sky and even before all creatures.

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and Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'ala) Knows Best

Darul Ifta, Darul Uloom Deoband
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http://darulifta-deoband.org/viewfatwa.jsp?ID=3126

[AlHindi]

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