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slaveofLord_22
18th January 2008, 04:42 AM
On the authority of Thawban, the Messenger of Allah (upon whom be blessings and peace) said:The Prophet Sallallahu ‘Alaihi Wa Sallam said: "Before your treasure, three will kill each other -- all of them are sons of a different caliph but none will be the recipient. Then the Black Banners will appear from the East and they will kill you in a way that has never before been done by a nation."
Thawban, said: 'Then he said something that I do not remember by heart' then continued to say that the Prophet, praise and peace be upon him, said: "If you see him give him your allegiance, even if you have to crawl over ice, because surely he is the Caliph of Allah, the Mahdi. If you see the black flags coming from Khurasan, join that army, even if you have to crawl over ice, for this is the army of the Caliph, the Mahdi and no one can stop that army until it reaches Jerusalem."
Could anyone elaborate on the authenticity of this hadees which can be found in Ibn Majah, Hakim's Mustadrak,etc ?
If it is proven to be authentic, then the order of our Leader alayhis salaam to "JOIN THAT ARMY, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO CRAWL OVER ICE." Is the mention of black flags a figurative description symbolising the beginning of war between the Ahlul-Islaam & oppressors? Or is it truly a description of this army?
Thirdly, Khurasan is in the present day Afghanistan & Iran. We know well of Taleban(may Allaah avenge for them) and their army and the objective of their fight.Can this army be refering to them?
Brothers, let this be an open discussion without any blind favourism & pointless criticism. Just a knowledge-based discussion so that we come to know the truth and follow it. May Allaah facilitate the matter for us.
Was-Salaam
Sawtul Islam
18th January 2008, 04:58 AM
According to al-Zawa'id its isnad is SAHIH and according to Al-Hakim who narrates it in Mustadrak al-Hakim it is Sahih on the condition of Shaykhain (Bukhari and Muslim).
Also like to add that this is not the only Hadith that mentions them, I've read I think nearly a hundred such narrations with different isnad so there can be no doubt about the whole thing.
slaveofLord_22
18th January 2008, 05:40 AM
Al-Zawa'id???
Could you elaborate?
Sawtul Islam
18th January 2008, 07:44 PM
Al-Zawa'id???
Could you elaborate?
Commentry on Sunan ibn Majah by Mohammad tofayl al-Ansari quotes it (I havent read it myself).
Also Mustadrak al-Hakim says it's Sahih as I already mentioned.
Abu_Abdallah
18th January 2008, 09:02 PM
Commentry on Sunan ibn Majah by Mohammad tofayl al-Ansari quotes it (I havent read it myself).
Also Mustadrak al-Hakim says it's Sahih as I already mentioned.
Amazing this Takhrij! 'Ajeeb..
When did al-Zawa'id die? :D
Abu Maryam PK
18th January 2008, 09:35 PM
Bismillah
erm...what about mr mustadrak?
nobody
18th January 2008, 09:41 PM
he will fix it insha'Allah (and other matters too) and will become sawt alislam. i pray to Allah.
IbnShaykh
18th January 2008, 09:41 PM
Commentry on Sunan ibn Majah by Mohammad tofayl al-Ansari quotes it (I havent read it myself).
Also Mustadrak al-Hakim says it's Sahih as I already mentioned.
Bismillah
Ackhi are you qualified to do takhrij?
Sawtul Islam
18th January 2008, 11:15 PM
Amazing this Takhrij! 'Ajeeb..
When did al-Zawa'id die? :D
???
The commentary quotes al-Zawa'id is what I meant.
Sawtul Islam
18th January 2008, 11:18 PM
Bismillah
Ackhi are you qualified to do takhrij?
I dont understand what you mean bro Im just quoting the sources.
Sawtul Islam
18th January 2008, 11:20 PM
he will fix it insha'Allah (and other matters too) and will become sawt alislam. i pray to Allah.
whaaat? what will I fix?
strange comments...
Sawtul Islam
18th January 2008, 11:21 PM
Bismillah
erm...what about mr mustadrak?
what about it?
Hibiscus
18th January 2008, 11:54 PM
assalamu alykum,
I'm really interested in the hadeeth mentioned at the start of the thread.. but we seem to have digressed, please someone address the questions slaveoflord has asked.
thanks
IbnShaykh
19th January 2008, 12:10 AM
I dont understand what you mean bro Im just quoting the sources.
Bismillah
You mean you don't understand the term 'takhrij' or my question in relation to you?
If you mean the former, then really you shouldn't even be engaging in what you are. If you mean the later then I am asking for qualification in the complex process you are engaged in.
Abu_Abdallah
19th January 2008, 12:56 AM
http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3819
Sawtul Islam
19th January 2008, 12:58 AM
Bismillah
You mean you don't understand the term 'takhrij' or my question in relation to you?
If you mean the former, then really you shouldn't even be engaging in what you are. If you mean the later then I am asking for qualification in the complex process you are engaged in.
I said: "According to al-Zawa'id its isnad is SAHIH and according to Al-Hakim who narrates it in Mustadrak al-Hakim it is Sahih on the condition of Shaykhain (Bukhari and Muslim)."
I did not declare the Hadith to be Sahih, I said according to al-Hakim in his Mustadrak and according to a quote I've read from al-Zawa'od the Hadith is Sahih.
If you disagree with the sources you are free to do so if you have a reason to. If you think I misquoted them (which I havent) then please show some evidence.
Do you actually need a qualification to quote what scholars have said about a Hadith?
I also said there are too many sources for the Hadith so there is no way that it could be fabricated (I dont mean this version of it, but I mean ahaadith about Black banenrs as a whole). If you think Im wrong, then prove me wrong. Simple.
Sawtul Islam
19th January 2008, 02:41 AM
"If you see him give him your allegiance, even if you have to crawl over ice, because surely he is the Caliph of Allah, the Mahdi. If you see the black flags coming from Khurasan, join that army, even if you have to crawl over ice, for this is the army of the Caliph, the Mahdi and no one can stop that army until it reaches Jerusalem."
Could anyone elaborate on the authenticity of this hadees which can be found in Ibn Majah, Hakim's Mustadrak,etc ?
by the way, the last part of the Hadith about them going to Jerusalem is not in Sunan ibn Majah but is in Tirmidhi and its authenticity is disputed by some.
There is also a version in Mustadrak al-Hakim that says: "When you see the black banners coming from Khurasan then go to them even if that means crawling over snow, the deputy of Allah the Mahdi will be among them."
Another version says: "The black banners will come from the east and their hearts will be as firm as iron, whoever hears about them should join them and give allegiance even if that means crawling across snow." (narrated by Nu'aym ibn Hammad in his book).
I have a book that has virtually every version of the black banners Hadith (ther are soooo many I havent counted them).
Abu_Abdallah
20th January 2008, 10:22 PM
There is a difference of opinion on its authenticity.
The râjih verdict according to my secundary readings, is that nothing about 'black banners' is Sahih. Rather, it is Da'if.
wa-Allahu A'lam
Umm
20th January 2008, 11:09 PM
An old article, but still interesting...
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Why are mountain people so much alike ? It doesn't seem to matter where the mountains are. They could be in Yugoslavia, Scotland, Sicily, Afghanistan or Eastern Kentucky. The people in those elevations have elevated levels of clannishness and often only a thin veneer of civility covering violent natures.
Of course, Eastern Kentucky's homicidal heydays were mostly in the late 19th and early 20th century when the Hatfield and McCoy Feud, which supposedly started over a hog, made the national news. But there were lots of other feuds that were just as nasty. For instance, Clay County's Baker-White Feud, which started when someone's dog was insulted, and Harlan County's Turner-Howard Feud, which started when a Turner spoke badly of a Howard's mother.
But vendetta-wise, the hillbillies of Eastern Kentucky don't hold a candle to the hillbillies of Afghanistan. Just imagine the murderous possibilities of 20 different ethnic groups speaking nearly 30 different dialects. Majority Sunni Muslim Pashtuns who enjoy persecuting and killing the minority Shiite Muslim Hazari. And the largest minority, Tajiks, who along with their northern neighbors, the Uzbecks, don't really like either the Pashtuns or Hazari. Overlay on this The Taliban, which means "religious students", who were largely educated in Pakistani Islamic schools where they memorized the Koran in Arabic, a language they do not understand. Plus, the very fundamentalist Wahhabi Muslim Arabs of Bin Laden's Al-Qaida, who would be unwelcome flat-land foreigners if they weren't so rich. And, of course, there are the complicating factors of Afghanistan's long-term drought, famine and overwhelming illiteracy.
Our armed forces will eventually get rid of Bin Laden's bunch and the "student government" in Kabul, something we really need to do because of a prophesy of Muhammad. He said "If you see the black (meaning war) flags coming from Khurasan (Afghanistan), join that army, even if you have to crawl over ice, for this is the army of Imam al-Mahdi and no one can stop that army until it reaches Jerusalem." That prophesy is why Bin Laden is in Afghanistan. He needs to be stopped there before radical Muslims all over the world "crawl over ice" to join him.
After the war, the problem then will be what to do with the millions of poor, ignorant, starving people that are left. After helping them win their war against Russia, we left them to their own devices. They then started killing each other with a vengeance. The Northern Alliance had their shot, literally and figuratively. And The Taliban wound up being seen as the way to stop the violence. This is the mess the U.S. is going to inherit. One that attracts troublesome people much too close to nuclear-armed and volatile Pakistan. We can't dictate directly, but we can't walk away from Afghanistan again, either.
Rebuilding a European state after WWII was comparatively easy compared to what will be faced in Afghanistan. Europe had an institutional memory, educated people and a history of achievement. Afghanistan has nothing. Imagine how much American money it's going to take to help medieval Afghans rise to the level of a 19th century Appalachian mountaineer like "Devil Anse" Hatfield!
A Coincidence?
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AbuOmar
21st January 2008, 03:38 PM
The Excellence of Khurasan
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Turyalai
22nd January 2008, 08:39 AM
I thought this thread was about ar-Râyât as-Sûd min Khorâsân, but instead it was a bunch of people picking on one guy like in an Elementary school playground.
My mistake.
Abu Maryam PK
22nd January 2008, 08:50 AM
Bismillah
Oh thats because that one guy has been acting like a kindergarten boy as of late
Sawtul Islam
22nd January 2008, 11:56 PM
Abu Maryam al Salafi, Im still trying to figure out what you meant by your last post:
Bismillah
erm...what about mr mustadrak?
What do you mean??? Who is "Mr Mustadrak"???
I was talking about Mustadrak of al-Hakim Naysaboori. Now, what is your question? Were you even asking me or someone else?
Bismillah
Oh thats because that one guy has been acting like a kindergarten boy as of late
Please learn to communicate instead of insulting, or else you yourself will end up appearing like a kindergarten boy.
Turyalai
23rd January 2008, 07:19 AM
Why are you guys ripping the brother apart? Who cares about your previous dealings with him? He's bringing up a valid point that I personally spent a long time researching.
There are MANY schoalrs who say that the Ahadîth of the Râyât as-Sûd are legitimate. One scholar I know wrote his thesis on it and I have it (but unfortunately can't distribute it). Many scholars who say the Ahadîth are weak admit that they are MILDLY weak and that there is basis for the prophecy.
One thing many people ignore is that Hadîth grading is not black and white as "Sahîh" and "Da`îf". Some Ahadîth that are Da`îf are relatively acceptable due to the mildness of their weakness. Rishdîn bin Sa`d's Da`f for example is considered mild since he is not accused of lying or deceiving, but simply of being forgetful and becoming confused when he moved later in his life.
So, brothers, this is an interesting subject to discuss so please don't ruin it by picking on this brother because of your personal grudges against him. Jazâk Allâh khayran.
Allah knows best.
Abu Maryam PK
23rd January 2008, 07:54 AM
Bismillah
One thing many people ignore is that Hadîth grading is not black and white as "Sahîh" and "Da`îf". Some Ahadîth that are Da`îf are relatively acceptable due to the mildness of their weakness. Rishdîn bin Sa`d's Da`f for example is considered mild since he is not accused of lying or deceiving, but simply of being forgetful and becoming confused when he moved later in his life.
Let's say it is da'if bu the du'f is not shadeed, would it still allow it to be taken as a belief, let alone ahkaam, since we are not talking about fadail al'a'maal? If ur talking about hasan lighairihi then thats a wholly another domain
Turyalai
23rd January 2008, 08:10 AM
Bismillah
Let's say it is da'if bu the du'f is not shadeed, would it still allow it to be taken as a belief, let alone ahkaam, since we are not talking about fadail al'a'maal? If ur talking about hasan lighairihi then thats a wholly another domain
Ahâdîth about Ashrât as-Sa`ah (Signs of the Hour) are not matters of belief so they are not subject to the same level of scrutiny.
These are not matters of `Aqîdah, Imân or Fiqh. These are signs of the End Times and that is all.
Allah knows best.
Abu Maryam PK
23rd January 2008, 08:24 AM
Bismillah
Can u back up what u said with quotes from scholars. As far as i am concerned, it does not matter whether they are in belief, ahkaam, fadail al'a'maal. It's a matter of attributing something to the Prophet sallallaho'alaihiwasallam, that is why saying the Prophet sallallaho'alaihiwasallam said so and so without knowing it is authentic or no not is tantamount to lying upon him. I believe Al-Daraqutni or ibn hibban as a chapter on it in their sunan/saheeh. And this is also the position of Shaikh Alnbani, i blieve exponded in opening of Tamam al-minnah
Turyalai
23rd January 2008, 08:51 AM
Bismillah
Can u back up what u said with quotes from scholars. As far as i am concerned, it does not matter whether they are in belief, ahkaam, fadail al'a'maal. It's a matter of attributing something to the Prophet sallallaho'alaihiwasallam, that is why saying the Prophet sallallaho'alaihiwasallam said so and so without knowing it is authentic or no not is tantamount to lying upon him. I believe Al-Daraqutni or ibn hibban as a chapter on it in their sunan/saheeh. And this is also the position of Shaikh Alnbani, i blieve exponded in opening of Tamam al-minnah
Brother, if a Hadîth is Mursal then are you telling me that believing in that Hadîth is tantamount to attributing something to the Prophet (sallallâhû `alayhî wa sallam) did not say? That's an allusion to the Hadîth regarding one whose seat is in the Hellfire.
So if I believe that the Prophet (sallallâhû `alayhî wa sallam) said "If they put the Sun in my right hand and the moon in my left, I would not renounce my message...etc" then my seat is in the Fire? That is a weak Hadîth because it is Mursal. Brother, it is Târîkh and not a matter of Imân. The levels of scrutiny for Hadîth differ based upon what subject they fall in. There's a difference between the aforementioned Hadîth and the Hadîth about the Amrad Ja`d.
I do not agree with the Albanist (as I recognize Shaykh al-Albânî was not responsible for much of what has been attributed to him) idea of everything in the Sunnah being black and white "Sahîh" and "Da`îf".
Allah knows best.
Abu Maryam PK
23rd January 2008, 10:36 AM
Bismillah
Brother, if a Hadîth is Mursal then are you telling me that believing in that Hadîth is tantamount to attributing something to the Prophet (sallallâhû `alayhî wa sallam) did not say?
Did u read the chapter on al-daraqutni i was talking about. And yes Mursal is a form of da'eef to the majority, and those who accept, do so with strict restrictions. Of course not every musal is saheeh.
Brother, it is Târîkh and not a matter of Imân. The levels of scrutiny for Hadîth differ based upon what subject they fall in.
Please do not digress. You said ashraat-al-sa'ah is one purview where not too weak ahadith are accepted. I asked u to bring a scholar who said that. Moreover u said it is not from eemaanyiat/beilfs/aqaid, but "hese are not matters of `Aqîdah, Imân or Fiqh. These are signs of the End Times and that is all." I asked u who among the scholars said that? BTW 'Eesa alaihisalam coming back is also from ahraat al-sa'ah:
{æÅäå áÚáã ááÓÇÚÉ }( ÇáÒÎÑÝ 61)
So the qadianis saying that he died in kashmir is not affecting their eeman?
I recognize Shaykh al-Albânî was not responsible for much of what has been attributed to him
I don't know what u r talking about. Did anyone say that b4 u, sir?
Intoodeep
23rd January 2008, 03:53 PM
Please do not digress. You said ashraat-al-sa'ah is one purview where not too weak ahadith are accepted. I asked u to bring a scholar who said that. Moreover u said it is not from eemaanyiat/beilfs/aqaid, but "hese are not matters of `Aqîdah, Imân or Fiqh. These are signs of the End Times and that is all." I asked u who among the scholars said that? BTW 'Eesa alaihisalam coming back is also from ahraat al-sa'ah:
{æÅäå áÚáã ááÓÇÚÉ }( ÇáÒÎÑÝ 61)
So the qadianis saying that he died in kashmir is not affecting their eeman?
What kind of weak rebuttal is that?? it says clearly in the Quran that he did not die so therefore, its a matter of them contradicting the Quran. You miss the point i think brother Turaylai is making which is that many of the signs of the hour are not clear and we wont know what they truly meant until they pass.
There are MANY schoalrs who say that the Ahadîth of the Râyât as-Sûd are legitimate. One scholar I know wrote his thesis on it and I have it (but unfortunately can't distribute it). Many scholars who say the Ahadîth are weak admit that they are MILDLY weak and that there is basis for the prophecy.
that looks like a seriously interesting piece of work. Any chance of translating even excerpts from it. i garantee you akhi you would have 'hit' on your hands.
Abu_Abdallah
23rd January 2008, 05:08 PM
Would like to know the conclusions of this thesis and the bases of his arguments.
Who is the author and what is the title?
Abu Maryam PK
23rd January 2008, 08:06 PM
Bismillah
What kind of weak rebuttal is that?? it says clearly in the Quran that he did not die so therefore, its a matter of them contradicting the Quran. You miss the point i think brother Turaylai is making which is that many of the signs of the hour are not clear and we wont know what they truly meant until they pass.
actually thats not the point he is making. he is saying
1) somewhat weak ahadith can be accepted to prove signs of the hour
2)that signs of the hour are not part of eeman
3)shaykh albani has not said what has ben attributed to him in most cases.
i was asking his precedents.
Sawtul Islam
23rd January 2008, 08:53 PM
Can anyone who says the Hadith of Black Banners is dhaeef/weak PROVE it???
When I say something is Sahih or Dha'eef according to so and so, some here accuse me of not providing enough sources and all sorts of silly things, but so far I havent seen anyone showing any real evidence that the Black Banners Hadith is not Sahih.
Who in the chain is dha'eef?? Which narrator/narrators???
I've seen plenty of sources saying all its narrators are Sahih or trustworthy.
ali
24th January 2008, 12:55 AM
I said: "According to al-Zawa'id its isnad is SAHIH and according to Al-Hakim who narrates it in Mustadrak al-Hakim it is Sahih on the condition of Shaykhain (Bukhari and Muslim)."
I didn't know there was someone by the name of "al-Zawaa'id"
maybe the author was refering to majmu'a az-Zawaa'id of either haythami or suyooti (i forget) wallahu alim
i think thats why the brother said "mr. mustadrak" laughing at the fact that you were confusing personalities with the names of books which is probably why the other brother was asking if you were qualified to do takhreej
masalama
Sawtul Islam
24th January 2008, 06:54 PM
i think thats why the brother said "mr. mustadrak" laughing at the fact that you were confusing personalities with the names of books which is probably why the other brother was asking if you were qualified to do takhreej
I never said it's a person. If someone says "according to Sahih Bukhari" does that mean he/she thinks Sahih Bukhari is a person?
Al-Afghanie
2nd February 2008, 11:23 AM
As-'Salaam 'Alaykum,
The majority of the Scholars have agreed that the ahadeeth regarding the ''Black Flags from Khurasaan'' are authentic and accepted in general. They include, Al-Hakim, adh-Dhahabi, Ibn Kathir, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalaani, Siyhubudeen Al-Busiri, Al-Albaanee and many others. Or it can be said that the ahadeeth are accepted at least as hasan li ghairihi.
And Allah knows best.
Allah Diya
2nd February 2008, 04:05 PM
The Dajjal will emerge from Khorasan. Apart from having 70 thousand isfahani jews in his army, he will also have the support of the khawarij, and their black banner. Its funny how the khawarij of this era like to display a black flag with the white inscription of kalima tayyiba in it. Could this be the flag Rasoolullah (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) was referring to? Allahu alam. Anyways, its pretty clear that the khawarij of this era have their stronghold to the east of Madinah, meaning Iraq, which is where Rasoolullah sallallahu alaihi wa salam said the horn of shaytan will emerge and so forth. Also, khorasan includes this broad area, central asia, afghanistan, iran. This is where the khawarij at the moment have their stronghold. We should all take heed of this no doubt.
zaid_ibn_ali
2nd February 2008, 04:10 PM
The Dajjal will emerge from Khorasan. Apart from having 70 thousand isfahani jews in his army, he will also have the support of the khawarij, and their black banner. Its funny how the khawarij of this era like to display a black flag with the white inscription of kalima tayyiba in it. Could this be the flag Rasoolullah (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) was referring to? Allahu alam. Anyways, its pretty clear that the khawarij of this era have their stronghold to the east of Madinah, meaning Iraq, which is where Rasoolullah sallallahu alaihi wa salam said the horn of shaytan will emerge and so forth. Also, khorasan includes this broad area, central asia, afghanistan, iran. This is where the khawarij at the moment have their stronghold. We should all take heed of this no doubt.
thats interesting. do you have a reference of where the khawirij are referred to as you say above?
Sawtul Islam
2nd February 2008, 11:23 PM
The Dajjal will emerge from Khorasan. Apart from having 70 thousand isfahani jews in his army, he will also have the support of the khawarij, and their black banner. Its funny how the khawarij of this era like to display a black flag with the white inscription of kalima tayyiba in it. Could this be the flag Rasoolullah (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) was referring to? Allahu alam. Anyways, its pretty clear that the khawarij of this era have their stronghold to the east of Madinah, meaning Iraq, which is where Rasoolullah sallallahu alaihi wa salam said the horn of shaytan will emerge and so forth. Also, khorasan includes this broad area, central asia, afghanistan, iran. This is where the khawarij at the moment have their stronghold. We should all take heed of this no doubt.
Please show the Hadith that says Dajjal's army will have Black Banners (Im not saying they dont, but I have never heard such a Hadith).
Im waiting...
MOSABJA
3rd February 2008, 02:04 PM
Well Khurassan includes(Iranian parts,Afghanistan,Pakistan and parts of cent asia)
My point of view is that
Iranian Khurassan(Isfahans shias)=followers of dajjal
Non Iranian Khurassan(afghanistan,pakistan,parts of cent asia)=supporters of Mahdi
Check out this link you would have an answer of
1)Isnaad of hadith about Black banners.
2)Comparison of iranian and non iranian Khurassan.
MOSABJA
3rd February 2008, 02:10 PM
http://darulislam.info/Article136.html
kamran
3rd February 2008, 02:41 PM
Assalam o alaikum,
Mr. Allah Diya mentions some valuable information some of which is entirely new to a nincompoop like yours sincerely.
Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Dajjal would be followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan wearing Persian shawls.
Now as far as I know some reports tell us that these Persian reports could be black or green. May the Allah Diya was confusing the shawls with the flags.
References
1. Sahih Muslim, Kitab-ul-Fitan
2. Musnad Ahmad
3. Sunan Abu Dawood
4. Sunan Tirmidhi
5. Sunan Ibn Majah
6. Mustadrak Hakim
5. Tafseer at-Tabri
Mr. Allah Diya's interpretation is somewhat strange. May be he can provide us with some insight on how he derived that. According to my understanding, he is of the view that a sect that arose some 1350 years ago is among the followers of Dajjal and that Iraq is actually a big country that runs upto Central Asia. It would help us all if he can provide us the historical references to this point. Who ruled such a vast country? (Apart from some Muslim rulers of course)
Kamran
Sawtul Islam
3rd February 2008, 03:15 PM
Mr. Allah Diya's interpretation is somewhat strange. May be he can provide us with some insight on how he derived that. According to my understanding, he is of the view that a sect that arose some 1350 years ago is among the followers of Dajjal and that Iraq is actually a big country that runs upto Central Asia. It would help us all if he can provide us the historical references to this point. Who ruled such a vast country? (Apart from some Muslim rulers of course)
He is just making things up.
Interestingly, in Mishkat al-Masabih it is narrated that one of the signs of the followers of Dajjal is that they will invent false Hadith... hmmm
Sawtul Islam
3rd February 2008, 03:21 PM
http://darulislam.info/Article136.html
If you like that, read this as well: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9460&PN=5
MOSABJA
3rd February 2008, 04:50 PM
If you like that, read this as well: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9460&PN=5
well wallahualam.I dont know about the conspiray theories.But In hadith it is written that followers of dajjal would emerge from IRANIAN KHURASSAN(isfahan).But he himself would come from some where between IRAQ and SYRIA.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles.
Where as followers of Imam Mahdi would com from non iran(shia) KHURASSAN(Afghanistan,Pakistan and parts of cent asia)
Striving2Struggle
1st May 2008, 08:10 PM
SH. Yasir Qadhi stated in his lecture that the majoirty of the ulema according to him considered the Hadith to Hasan (good or strong) but not Sahih (authentic) or Daif (weak) He stated because there were so many numerous narrations and chains regarding it; a great number scholars who originally considered it to be Daif have raised it's level to Hasan.
Intoodeep
1st May 2008, 10:50 PM
SH. Yasir Qadhi stated in his lecture that the majoirty of the ulema according to him considered the Hadith to Hasan (good or strong) but not Sahih (authentic) or Daif (weak) He stated because there were so many numerous narrations and chains regarding it; a great number scholars who originally considered it to be Daif have raised it's level to Hasan.
Yasir qadhi is not the type of 'scholar' who is working for the revival of the khilafah. so its best not to take hakimiyyah, muwaalaat, current affairs issues from him. let him stick to ashari aqeeda etc.
Striving2Struggle
3rd May 2008, 04:00 AM
Qadhi is working for revival of the Khalifah in the Muslim World, just not in majority Non-Muslim countries such as US and UK. He has stressed the importance of doing so several times saying we should not simply "wait on the Mahdi".
Btw since when does being on Ashari Aqeeda= not working for revival of Khalifah. Let's not disrespect scholars just because we don't agree with their Aqeeda
Miqdad
6th May 2008, 02:18 AM
Does Yasir have any lectures or discusses the obligation of al-Khilafah in any of his speeches? I am curious to know what exactly are his views.
Striving2Struggle
6th May 2008, 03:33 AM
Does Yasir have any lectures or discusses the obligation of al-Khilafah in any of his speeches? I am curious to know what exactly are his views.
I'm sure there are plenty more because I have only heard a few. But in Mahdi: Between Fact and Fiction he criticizes those who beleive that Caliphate is not possible until the Mahdi arrives and urges us to get to work now. He even stated that some scholars believe that an Islamic State will already be in existence shortly prior to the Mahdi's arrival.
As stated before though, he believes we should focus on establishing the state in our own lands first before worrying about trying to establish one in the US or UK. That's something I agree with it.
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