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asifkhan
20th January 2008, 08:11 AM
Alhamdulillah, I got married here in Korea on Jan 9th.
I married an Iraqi Muslimah. She has just finished studying for a Masters degree.
We are of similar age. She is kind-hearted and genuine.
Our families are happy with our decision to marry.
I advise any Muslim who is unmarried, but financially able to marry, to get married. Please read the following fatwa.
I didn't want to fall into haram relationships, so Alhamdulillah, I got married, purely for the sake of Allah (SWT) alone.
Please make d'ua for us. Jazah kallah khairun.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=5511&ln=eng
Question:
is it obligatory for men to get married?
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
The ruling on marriage for men differs according to their situations and circumstances. Marriage is obligatory on the man who is able to marry and longs to get married, and fears “hardship” otherwise, because it is obligatory for him to protect himself from doing haraam deeds and to keep himself chaste – and this can only be achieved through marriage.
Al-Qurtubi said: if a person is able to marry and fears that he may be harmed or his religious commitment may be adversely affected if he remains single, the only way to prevent this harm is through marriage, and there is no difference of opinion among the scholars – they agree that marriage is obligatory on such a person.
Al-Mardaawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his book Al-Insaaf: Part Three: the one who fears “hardship”. In the case of such a person, marriage is obligatory, and this is the unanimous opinion of the scholars… “Hardship” here means zinaa (fornication), according to the correct opinion. Or it was said that it means being doomed by committing zinaa… What is meant by “Unless he fears that he may fall into committing forbidden actions” means, if he knows or thinks that he will do that. In Al-Furoo’ it says: (marriage) becomes obligatory only when he is sure that he will do that. (Al-Insaaf, part 8; Kitaab al-Nikaah, Ahkaam al-Nikaah).
If he wants to get married but is unable to spend on a wife, then he should adhere to the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):
“And let those who find not the financial means for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allâh enriches them of His Bounty” [al-Noor 24:33]
So he should fast a lot, because of the hadeeth narrated from Ibn Mas’ood who said that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O young people, whoever among you can afford to get married, let him do so, for it helps one to lower the gaze and protect the private parts (i.e., remain chaste). Whoever cannot afford it, let him fast, for it is a protection for him.”
‘Umar said to Abu’l-Zawaa’id: “Nothing is stopping you from getting married except incapacity or immorality.” (See Fiqh Al-Sunnah, 2/15-17)
Marriage is obligatory on anyone who is single and committing sin such as looking or kissing. If a man or women knows or thinks it most likely that if he does not get married he will commit zinaa – or whatever comes under the same rulings or is similar to it, such as masturbation, then marriage is obligatory. It is still obligatory even if a person knows that he will still commit sin after marriage, because once he is married he will be less likely to commit sin, because he will be distracted from it at least part of the time, whereas if he remains single he will commit sin all the time.
Anyone who looks at the state of things in our times, how there is so much immorality and so much temptation, will be convinced that the obligation to marry is even more important now than at any time in the past. We ask Allaah to purify our hearts, keep us away from haraam things and help us to be chaste. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
Abu Maryam PK
20th January 2008, 08:21 AM
BISMILLAH
Barakallahu feek wa jama'a bayna kuma fi al-khayr.
I am overjoyed. May Allah give u pious children and happiness. Are we invited to an e-valima?
asifkhan
20th January 2008, 08:37 AM
Jazah kallah khairun. Yes, you're invited, the tandoori chicken is over there, to your right!
Abu Ma'mar
20th January 2008, 09:14 AM
Good job bro !
May Allah bless you two and any kids you have.
alkathiri
20th January 2008, 09:37 AM
Mabrook !!!!!!!!
:D :p :D
Umm Ahmed
20th January 2008, 09:43 AM
“And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquility in them; and He placed between you affection and mercy. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought.” - Surah Ar-Rum, 21
Tabaraak Allaah Mabrook Akhii, May Allaah bless your marriage with patience and pious offspring ameen.
asifkhan
20th January 2008, 10:07 AM
Alhamdulillah, jazah kallah khairun and thank you for your congratulations everybody.
Look at the Mercy of Allah (SWT), if a person is with the opposite sex outside of marriage it is a major sin.
But, if a person is with the opposite sex, in marriage, they are rewarded for their relationship.
Allah knows best. I used to think I was content staying single, but what is the inevitable result, a person will choose haram or end up like one of those perverted celibate priests, satisfying their needs in sick ways.
I don't know about having kids, but I am very happy to have made the right decision as regards marriage. To bring kids into the world you must be willing to give them the care they need and deserve.
How many kids sadly suffer neglect and abuse, and all because the parents didn't really want them for life, or maybe they had them just because they wanted to keep up with the Jones'.
I would also say 2 other things. 1) Getting married protects a person from haram 2) Please marry only a Muslim. In this day and age, the last thing you want, especially if you have children, is a kafir wife. If there is a divorce, the child will most likely be brought up as a kafir. Also, if you live with a kafirah her influence on you can only hurt your Islam, unless she wants to become Muslim.
Abuz Zubair
20th January 2008, 10:23 AM
MashaaAllah...
May Allah bless the two of you and keep you together for all the good.
kamran
20th January 2008, 11:08 AM
Assalam o alaikum Your Highness!
Welcome to the age of slavery!
May Allah bless the two of you in every way imaginable and unimaginable.
Kamran
Abu Maryam PK
20th January 2008, 11:13 AM
Bismillah
Kamran, have u been enslaved?
Abu Ibraaheem
20th January 2008, 12:12 PM
MashaAllah
May Allah bless your marriage, ameen
Adem Al-Albani
20th January 2008, 12:18 PM
mashaaAllah, may Allah reward you both with the best of this life, as well as the hereafter inshaaAllah.
Abu Ibrahim
20th January 2008, 12:19 PM
Mabrook! Brother...
One down, three to go InshaAllah! :))
Abu Ilyas
20th January 2008, 12:21 PM
May Allah bless your marriage . Mabrook.
A Pakistani (?) from England who went to South Korea to marry an Iraqi. Wow, you don't do things simply akhi? lol..just kidding.
Magoo
20th January 2008, 12:28 PM
masha'allah bro, may allah bless your marriage
abu imaan an-nepalee
20th January 2008, 01:09 PM
maasha'ALLAH
may ALLAH Ta'ala bless your union and make it one that will lead to jannah for you both! Ameen!
btw where is the sauce for the chicken?
green musallah
20th January 2008, 01:09 PM
Mashallah. Congratrations bro!
May Allah grant you both a happy, content and loving marriage.
Don't forget to make dua for the rest of us.;)
Niqaabis
20th January 2008, 02:02 PM
Mabrook
May Allaah bless your marriage and grant you pious children aameen
kamran
20th January 2008, 02:03 PM
have u been enslaved?
Not at all.
Abuz Zubair
20th January 2008, 03:04 PM
Not at all.
May Allah enslave you sooner than later :)
Abu Maryam PK
20th January 2008, 04:48 PM
Bismilah
With 4 masters....(hope your would-be doesn't hear this...it's a big no-no in pak. Been into heaps of trouble myself.)
kamran
20th January 2008, 05:24 PM
LOL ... I believe my instantaneous IQ while answering that particular query from Bilal was lower than that of a tomato... I got enslaved some 2 odd years back and had a daughter a couple of days before Eid in Ramadan .. and so delightful has that experience been I fell into a sub-tomato trance for a moment and took it all very literally :P
abuyasin
20th January 2008, 11:40 PM
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Brother_Mujahid
20th January 2008, 11:47 PM
Mubarak my friend. You're still in South Korea I assume? Drop me a line and let me know how things are working out, insha'Allah.
abu imaan an-nepalee
20th January 2008, 11:50 PM
whats it like out there in s.korea?
TN_Cat
21st January 2008, 03:01 AM
wa alaykum salam,
Jazakallah Akhe! Congratulations!!!
Im trying to get married to an Indonesian muslima and Im living in in the States. The paperwork is a jihad!!!!
Please make a du'a for us insha'allah
wa salam wa barakallah wa tallah
anam
21st January 2008, 04:37 AM
MashAllaah ..may Allaah [swt] bless your marriage
Abu Maryam PK
21st January 2008, 05:57 AM
Bismillah
brother TN, i have waiting for the news from you. I thought it would have been over by now. May Allah Make it easy for u.
asifkhan
21st January 2008, 10:59 AM
Jazah kallah khairun everybody.
I prefer life in Korea. There is no belmarsh here, where Muslims languish under false charges without evidence.
Yes, the people of Korea are largely kufaar but they are less vicious in their hostility to Islam.
Some of them are neutral while others are brainwashed by the media.
Generally Koreans are quite xenophobic. It amuses me because there is no political correctness here. Koreans don't like any foreigners, including Muslims.
Koreans have an inferiority complex, everything western they love and anything else they look down on.
Please don't get me wrong, some Koreans are very kind and very helpful, but foreigners here do complain, as do most immigrants around the world, with some justification.
Compared with Britain, life is less tense here for Muslims. There is no physical violence directed against foreigners, so no Paki-bashing in Korea.
There are no asbo's or violent crime and I always feel safe/secure in Korea.
The standard of living is equal to Britain, in some ways better, but it's cheaper here. The trains are excellent, on time 95% of the time in my experience.
Korea is one of those places people don't know much about. It is the 13th largest economy in the world, is famous for having the most efficient broadband connections to the internet and their technology is some of the best in the world.
I have always respected oriental people more than the west, because they have some values which are good. Sadly, like the rest of the world, Korea is very materialistic and shallow, their politeness is also quite fake like the rest of the kufaar.
However, compared with Britain, life I feel is better here for Muslims.
Remember, to get a job teaching English at a public school in Korea, you just need to be a graduate in any subject and a citizen of an English speaking country. Forget private schools in Korea, they are extremely dodgy.
Public school jobs are government jobs and they are stable/reliable.
The employer pays your airfare both ways, you get a free furnished apartment (with floor heating and air conditioning), all you pay for are the bills and they are relatively cheap.
You work 9-5pm at public schools, no weekends, and you get some respect for being a teacher.
Subhanallah, I couldn't get a good job in England, yet Korea wants me because they have a shortage of English teachers. It's sad really, especially when the U.K. boasts about human rights and criticizes other countries.
In summary, the downside is xenophobia, but that exists everywhere, but the good side is all of the above, in relation to the job.
The weather is nice and hot during summer, for about 3 months, you get to actually wear a t-shirt here for a period of time.
I advise you to consider working at a public school in Korea teaching English, I have no regrets. They have a big Masjid and lots of halal stores in Seoul.
Because of the war on terror I don't want to live in Britain, I also can't find a good job in England.
The honest truth is I haven't missed Britain at all since I left. Only the fig rolls.
Abu Maryam PK
21st January 2008, 11:17 AM
Bismillah
Asif, i am thinking of phd from kaist? how is the envoronment, i mean women dressing? is it as bad as america?
Abuz Zubair
21st January 2008, 11:17 AM
What's the salary like?
Abu Maryam PK
21st January 2008, 11:18 AM
oh at education for children?
Magoo
21st January 2008, 11:37 AM
sounds good actually, what are they like with regards to men with big beards and women with nikab??
asifkhan
21st January 2008, 12:30 PM
Firstly, as regards dress, to be honest women here dress in different ways. Lots of them wear very short skirts but don't show cleavage. Others are more modest, wearing jeans/trousers/longer skirts.
My brothers I'll be honest, I have seen some of the most beautiful women in my life here in Korea. They make British women look like bulldogs.
But because they are kufaar, they are ignorant, drink alcohol, party, wear bad clothes and are very shallow.
The more educated Koreans are calm and more cultured. They don't ridicule you to your face!
However, Koreans value marriage, it is taboo to be divorced here. But their morals are weird. They have prostitute/massage parlours in a lot of places. Thankfully, they don't really cater for foreigners, so only desperate foreigners attempt those places.
They also drink all the time, they kind of bow to people to show respect, but at the same time they bad mouthe you only a few centimetres away, but most of the kufaar do that anyway.
I decided not to marry a Korean because they are kufaar, honestly their food is awful, only a handful of their dishes are edible, but I must confess I haven't tried them.
Also because they are kufaar they do most of the things the English do, so I thought to myself if I married a beautiful Korean with nothing else other than her beauty, that marriage would not last very long in my opinion.
There are quite a few Muslims who have married Koreans here. Alhamdulillah, some became Muslim.
To put salary in context, my last job in England was at a call centre, it was a dead end job, working all days of the week on a rota basis. The pay there was about 1000 quid a month.
The pay here is about 80 quid a month more than my last job (according to today's exchange rate). So it's not megabucks, but with the free apartment and cheap bills, you could save at least 6,000 quid a year in Korea, unless you are really unwise with your money.
For U.K. citizens, the first 2 years of employment in Korea is tax free.
There is an area in Seoul, called Itaewon, which is frequented by mainly foreigners. This is where the Masjid and halal stores are. There are more Muslims there. I have seen, Alhamdulillah, many Muslims in shalwar kameez and big beards.
The women I have seen wearing hijab. I have only seen one Sister with Niqab, but I don't live in that area.
If there are any brothers with a Masters degree in English you can get a job teaching English at a University in Korea. Some accept people with a Bachelors degree and 3 years teaching experience.
I want to get at least 2 years experience here, do a CELTA (teaching English abroad certificate) and try and get a job in Saudi.
I want to live in a Muslim environment. We all know nowhere is perfect, but having lived in England all my life, I need to live where I will not be persecuted simply for being Muslim. We all know what happened in Bosnia and Kosovo. I am not an alarmist, but when you read hadiths about how the Muslims will fight the romans before the end of the world, Muslims in the west will be stuck in the middle.
Muslims in Britain cite the U.K. as being tolerant. When this war on terror reaches its climax, I firmly believe the kufaar will expel and kill the Muslims. They will also steal their wealth and loot their property.
With China gaining strength in the world, they are also recruiting lots of English teachers, but their pay is less than Korea. What I am saying is we live in a global economy and believe me England is not the only place on earth with benefits. Muslims should consider options available to them and if they can find a place to live where the people are not at war with Islam, I advise myself and them to consider it.
We shouldn't have the intention of living permanently wih the kufaar, unless there is a valid reason.
When I meet Allah (SWT), I would like to say something like, 'Oh Allah (SWT), I was born and lived with some of Your worst enemies. They declared war on You. And I left them, purely for Your sake alone, I went to the other side of the world, to find halal work and to live with a people who did not declare an open war against You. I left my family and my place of birth, purely for Your sake alone, to make baraa from Your worst enemies, purely for Your sake. I hope You will accept this. Oh Allah (SWT), You and Your Messenger (SAW) are dearer to me than everything else, and I would rather be dead than live with those who enjoy attacking Your believing servants.'
I love the hadith where somebody tells the Prophet (SAW) he hasn't done much in the way of good deeds, but he loves Allah (SWT) and His Messenger (SAW).
The Prophet (SAW) told him he will be with those he loves, the believers, in Jannah.
The good thing here in Korea is the Muslim community is quite low key. They get on with their lives without interference or harrassment from the government.
When the Talibs killed that Korean missionary recently, they had extra police guarding the Masjid in Seoul, in case of attack.
I don't want to pay taxes to those who attack Islam, so that's why I wanted to leave Britain.
Korea is an ally of the U.S.A. But if you compare Korea's foreign policy with that of Britain's, Korea is certainly less of an enemy of Islam. They agreed to withdraw their troops from Afghanistan after the Talib incident.
So, Alhamdulillah, living here I feel I am living with people who are less evil e.g. less eager to attack Muslims for the sake of it.
I think those people who are Muslim in Britain and wave with pride the British flag are like zombies, alive medically, but practically dead.
Allah (SWT) knows best.
Abuz Zubair
21st January 2008, 12:49 PM
From all that you have said, I think as a Muslim with a niqabi wife, I would be *much* better off in England. After travelling around the world, I have decided that if there is one place where I belong, it has to be England, no matter how weird it sounds. And if you have travelled around as I have, for quite a few years, you would probably come to the same conclusion as many others like me have.
asifkhan
21st January 2008, 01:11 PM
I understand what you mean, but I don't feel I belong in England even though I'm most familiar with it. You may well be right about women with Niqab being better off in England, but I think the deterioration in community relations, the non-stop terror threat and tabloid media makes life quite uncomfortable.
I felt sick of it all to be honest.
I suppose because we are from Britain, common sense would suggest we belong there, and we do, kind of. But I have felt like I never truly belong there.
In my case, economic factors were important. I can't seem to get a good job in England, so if I could get a good job elsewhere, with a similar standard of living, I was ok with that.
On teaching forums I visit, I find it interesting to note that native Brits teaching in Korea, complain about the xenophobia here, but they also state they are happier because of cheaper living costs, the ability to save money, the lack of crime, and the absence of office politics at work, unlike the U.K. Here in Korea, there are different stresses, but many native Brits teaching in Korea often say they don't miss Britain at all, and they are 'truly' British. Some American teachers in Korea say they had dead end jobs back home, but this job is the best job they've ever had. I share that view. So I think it depends on the individual and how they think.
abu_ibrahim
21st January 2008, 01:16 PM
Do they have halal restaurants over there?
Abuz Zubair
21st January 2008, 01:16 PM
We all felt like that, bro... But it is only when you live out elsewhere for long, you get married, 'settle down' and have kids, and then they grow up, only then you realise that really, this is the place where you belong, whether you like it or not. The feeling I am expressing is of those who have lived for a long time in Muslim countries. You are living in Korea, and I wonder how long it will take until your feelings change.
Also, some of us need to question why we are making hijra. Is it because in another country we will be able to help the cause of Islam and Muslims more? Or is it that we are simply running away from our problems instead of facing the harsh realities and working towards helping ourselves.
asifkhan
21st January 2008, 01:32 PM
Yes, Alhamdulillah, plenty of halal restaurants.
I agree we belong in the U.K. in the sense we know it very well, but whether we like it or not we are not obliged to stay in a place, if some of us don't like it. We are free to live where we want to.
I don't know about how my feelings will be in the future. But I know as long as the British support the war on terror, which judging from their history and current state suggests it will continue for many years, I can't see my feelings change in a positive way because of their hostility to Islam.
The reason for hjira is to be able to find work. In Islam, it is better to earn than ask for help, so I needed work and found halal employment.
I agree there are harsh realities, and I think the harsh reality is Muslims are not benefitting Islam by financing indirectly a government which is working openly to extinguish Islam. It is that fact which motivated me to seek another place to live, which is not at war with us.
I don't see the war on terror as our problem it is a problem with the kufaar, we the Muslims are the intended victim.
As regards helping ourselves, if I had a good job in England I may have stayed, but again the reason for leaving is the war on Islam. So I left to find employment, which is something every Muslim should aim for, to work and support themselves.
And I left because of their war. So, I don't see that as selfish. I encourage all Muslims to find a place to live where they are not under attack, I think that is a sensible aim.
Brother_Mujahid
21st January 2008, 01:40 PM
Abuz-Zubayr, in your humble opinion, do you think that an American Muslim would do well in Britain? Maybe I'm a little idealistic, but it seems to me that things in Britain are much better than in the US, indeed, perhaps, anything in the West. Your thoughts?
Abu Ilyas
21st January 2008, 01:50 PM
Brother Asif, do you miss the circles, talks and conferences organised in London? How does that compare in South Korea?
Noorah
21st January 2008, 02:39 PM
Salaam
Mabrook brother, may Allah bless your marriage
Umm
21st January 2008, 03:02 PM
Also, some of us need to question why we are making hijra. Is it because in another country we will be able to help the cause of Islam and Muslims more? Or is it that we are simply running away from our problems instead of facing the harsh realities and working towards helping ourselves.It is undoutedly praiseworthy to make hijrah and help the cause of Islam, and this is my prefered choice, should I ever get the opportunity. However, it is certainly not haram to go abroad even if purely to live in a place where you are more easily able to practice Islam, and I don't think Muslims should be discouraged from that. Most of those that we know who have made hijrah in UAE greatly prefered it there than here, epecially in Sharjah. You will get those who won't really get much out of hijrah other than a better salary, but these are usually the middle-class Muslims who were doing as little da'wah wise in the UK as they would in an Arab country anyway. On the contrary, the few working class who made a hijrah to UAE found themselves in the masjid more often and their children enrolled in hifdh programs etc, as compared to having a state education with no islamic classes being attended here in the UK.
I think it's also important to realise that British Muslims studying in Egypt, Saudi or Syria will naturally feel out of place, as do Brit bros who have worked in these places and UAE. You will be treated as a foreigner, as that is exactly what you are. In some ways, it is more disheartening to feel like that in the country you have been born and brought up in, yet still a stranger in many ways.
There are a few families who have settled in Pakistan (after having had hassle from the authorities down here). Of course, when in Pakistan or wherever, they will miss certain things about the UK. Yet when visiting the UK they will see certain things, such as a billboard etc, and feel happier that their children are being raised in a country that is more islamic. The grass is always greener on the other side.
A few brothers from the States have asked the same question as Brother_Mujahid. It bears remembering that because 9-11 happened across the pond, Muslims there are naturally fearful of campaigning. This is why the UK looks so good in comparison. Pre 9-11, the US Muslims far outdid the UK ones in terms of da'wah. Had 9-11 happened here, things would certainly be a lot different. Why not try to start something up in the States with like-minded Muslims, rather than moving here?
Brother Asif, mabrook on your marriage and hijrah and may Allah put blessings in both, ameen.
Abuz Zubair
21st January 2008, 03:11 PM
Abuz-Zubayr, in your humble opinion, do you think that an American Muslim would do well in Britain? Maybe I'm a little idealistic, but it seems to me that things in Britain are much better than in the US, indeed, perhaps, anything in the West. Your thoughts?
In my arrogant opinion, I think American Muslims should pack their bags and leave for East London!
But in my humble opinion, I don't like to comment on their situation as much as I dislike for them to comment on our situation or provide any solutions for us. Although, I would assume that American Muslims should come out of their cocoon and hook up with the sympathetic elements amongst the wider American population, and of course, learn a few lessons in bravery and be ready to sacrifice some of their worldly pleasures to pave way for a brave new generation of Muslims.
If they can't, then yes, coming to England is one option, but I would not advise anyone to do this at this stage, because we do not have a set program for ourselves let alone others... We don't want to invite ppl from the states to just sit back and not do anything... at the moment, there isn't anything concrete to do.
Magoo
21st January 2008, 03:29 PM
Abuz-Zubayr, in your humble opinion, do you think that an American Muslim would do well in Britain? Maybe I'm a little idealistic, but it seems to me that things in Britain are much better than in the US, indeed, perhaps, anything in the West. Your thoughts?
im not abu zubayr but i think you have to try it to find out, people like abu ussma dhahabi and khalid yaseen have settled here quite well..
Abu Dharr Al Kashmiri
21st January 2008, 03:52 PM
Asalaam'alaykum wa rahmatullah,
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‘May Allaah bless for you (your spouse) and bless you, and may He unite both of you in goodness.’ Aameen!
Remember us all in your pious du'a bro
(the rest of us stick to the topic)!! jazakAllahu khayr
Brother_Mujahid
21st January 2008, 03:52 PM
Well, commenting as someone born and raised in America and living in the post-9/11 climate, I can tell you the da'wah here is essentially dead. All the major du'aat have been shut down or have willfully censored themselves. People like `Ali al-Timimi, Rafil Dhafir, and Shaykh Jafar Idris have been arrested or deported; Jamal Zarabozo keeps a low profile; and Yasir Qadhi and al-Maghrib Institute, well, we have all seen what they have done. The Madkhali groups have continued on their self-destructive course and nothing good or useful can be expected from them. Anytime (and I know this from first hand experience) a knowledgeable person who can influence the youth arises he is harassed into leaving. The American government has done a thorough job in blunting the Islamic da'wah. The only active da'wah is from defeatist, modernist, neo-Ikhwani groups and one cannot change them or their methodology, they change you (again, I have witnessed this firsthand).
On top of all of that, their is no Muslim base. The Muslims live scattered and divided. The predominate mentality among them is American "individualism" which causes them to be more concerned about "number one" and getting a piece of the "American dream" than anything else. With this mindset they have easily been intimidated into silence and apathy.
How is that compared with the UK?
hshad
22nd January 2008, 03:50 AM
Great news, mashaAllah! May Allah bless you and your wife and provide you with righteous children, ameen.
From all that you have said, I think as a Muslim with a niqabi wife, I would be *much* better off in England. After travelling around the world, I have decided that if there is one place where I belong, it has to be England, no matter how weird it sounds. And if you have travelled around as I have, for quite a few years, you would probably come to the same conclusion as many others like me have.
Brother Abuz Zubair, why do you say so? Can you explain your comments. As a person who sometimes think hard about migration, I would like to know some more about your feelings here. Note I don't think, as of today, that hijra is a fardh on me. If you don't mind, how extensively have you travelled, and did you travel to Muslim countries only and only to ME? Does this feeling among you and others that you mention come down to the treatment (i.e. discrimination maybe due to being a foreigner) meted out to you and others in various Muslim countries? Have you been to farther east than ME, like bro. Asif? Too many questions but try to answer, inshaAllah.
Abuz-Zubayr, in your humble opinion, do you think that an American Muslim would do well in Britain? Maybe I'm a little idealistic, but it seems to me that things in Britain are much better than in the US, indeed, perhaps, anything in the West. Your thoughts?
I've always thought about this, and thought Britian is a better option. I think many Americans ask this because of the knowledge that in many places in UK (London?) women are able to wear niqab in a large number and because of all this seemingly free speech. This is almost unheard of in the US, and as the situation stands today, it seems almost impossible.
But, then I read comments like that of asifkhan and others here where they seem so depressed not just for the dawah in general but for their individual lives. Reading Asif's comments, one would think it's almost impossible for Muslims to live in the UK. So, what is the reality?
Umm Ahmed
22nd January 2008, 08:48 AM
The honest truth is I haven't missed Britain at all since I left. Only the fig rolls.
When your abroad you learn to make the things you miss.
Fig Rolls recipe
ingredients
175 g (6 oz) dried figs, rinsed and coarsely chopped
1/2 cup (75 g) plain wholemeal flour
3/4 cup (75 g) 3 oz plain flour (All purpose)
2 tbsp (25 g) 1 oz light brown sugar
65 g (2 1/2 oz) margarine
1.25 ml (1/4 tsp) salt
method
1. Lightly grease a baking sheet. Set aside.
2. Put the figs in a saucepan with 300 ml (1/2 pint) water. Simmer for about 20 minutes, stirring occasionally, until the figs are tender and the liquid is well reduced.
3. Set aside to cool, then puree in a blender or food processor. Set aside.
4. Put the remaining ingredients in a blender or food processor with 30 ml (2 tbsp) water and mix to a dough.
5. Knead the dough on a lightly floured surface, then roll out to an oblong about 40 x 12 cm (16 x 5 inches).
6. Spread the fig puree down the centre of the dough rectangle and carefully fold in the sides so that they overlap over the filling.
7. Trim the ends of the roll and cut into 3 cm (1 1/4 inch) wide slices.
8. Turn the rolls over and place on the prepared baking sheet.
9. Mark the top of each roll with a wet fork and bake at 190°C (375°f) mark 5 for 25-30 minutes, until lightly browned.
10. Cool on a rack.
serving amount
makes 12 rolls
Abu Maryam PK
22nd January 2008, 08:49 AM
Bismillah
I have never eaten a figroll. i will try tonite insha'Allah
asifkhan
22nd January 2008, 11:45 AM
Jazah kallah khairun Umm Ahmed. I will give the recipe to my wife if she wants to cook it.
Abu Ilyas - I don't really miss the study circles/conferences in Britain. I listen to talks and watch them online nowadays. I also read about them.
Niqaabis
22nd January 2008, 04:18 PM
Bismillah
I have never eaten a figroll. i will try tonite insha'Allah
They taste similar to those date biscuits/rolls you get in saudi or the middle east
Abu Maryam PK
22nd January 2008, 05:34 PM
bismillah'well they tasty. i think i will leave the cooking and buy them
TN_Cat
23rd January 2008, 02:42 AM
Bismillah
brother TN, i have waiting for the news from you. I thought it would have been over by now. May Allah Make it easy for u.
salam Akhe,
Should be in April Insha'allah wa tallah. Visas, wedding papers, flights, talking her father into having a small wedding (he wants to invite everybody in West Java).:rolleyes:
salam' wabarakallah
TN_Cat
23rd January 2008, 02:52 AM
In my arrogant opinion, I think American Muslims should pack their bags and leave for East London!
But in my humble opinion, I don't like to comment on their situation as much as I dislike for them to comment on our situation or provide any solutions for us. Although, I would assume that American Muslims should come out of their cocoon and hook up with the sympathetic elements amongst the wider American population, and of course, learn a few lessons in bravery and be ready to sacrifice some of their worldly pleasures to pave way for a brave new generation of Muslims.
As-salamu'alaykum Bro,
I wish I could do more here. I try to get a group of us together to join the protest against the Iraq war but nobody seems interested. So I go out alone and I stand in the protest shoulder to shoulder with Christians, WICANS and even Yahudi. The kuffars here ask "why aren't the muslims hollering for peace if Islam is a "religion of peace."
Do we wait until our Imams have been jailed and our masjids ransacked by the FBI because the public fears us before we introduce ourselves? I think it might have to come to that.
Abuz Zubair
23rd January 2008, 08:17 AM
TN_Cat, keep it up bro! You will get companions eventually, inshaAllah!
WM
24th January 2008, 06:39 PM
Haha! Now you have someone else to burn your dinner for you!
:)
Adeel
25th January 2008, 10:33 AM
Assalam O Alaikum!
May Allah shower His blessings on you both!
Regarding getting married, then at the age of 19 I cannot even think to get married, honestly![exceptions are always there : )]
juwairiyah
26th January 2008, 05:38 PM
assalamu'alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
congrats mashaallah to u and u wife
barakallahu lak.wa baraka 'alaik wa jama'a bainakum fi khair
mashaallah it's shaadi season lol everyone is getting married
may allah put barqah in every moment that u spent with ur wife ameen
Yasir
4th February 2008, 12:35 PM
wa’alaikum as-salaam,
Masha’Allah, congratulations on your marriage!
BarakAllahu lak, wa baraka ‘alaik, wa-jama’a baynakuma fi-khair…
May Allah place barakah in your marriage, and grant you a lifetime of good health, peace and tranquillity.A Pakistani (?) from England who went to South Korea to marry an Iraqi. Wow, you don't do things simply akhi? lol..just kidding.That’s what you call multiculturalism and diversity... Where’s Mr. Phillips now?
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