Hijra and Muslim Minorities

[Abuz Zubair]

As-salaamu ‘alaikum,

I am researching the topic of Hijra and its relevance to Muslim minorities around the world in general, and the British Muslim minority in particular.

Currently, there are two main views:

The first view states that there is no future for Muslims in Britain; it is Haram for Muslims to live in Dar al-Kufr; there is too much moral and spiritual corruption in the UK; it is highly recommended, if not Wajib to make Hijra; and therefore, Muslims should all migrate fro the UK

The second view states that there is no Dar al-Islam to migrate to; it is not so simple to deny a future for Muslims in Britain; it is impossible for millions of Muslims to migrate to a neighbouring country let alone a Muslim country; 35% of the Muslim Ummah is living as minority; British Muslim minority in comparison to other minorities is much well off, and hence, a reason not to make hijra but to stay and fight for our religious and civil rights.

I would like to hear arguments for and against the two views.

JazakumAllahu Khairan

wasalam

[Abu_Abdallah]

As-salaamu ‘alaikum,

I am researching the topic of Hijra and its relevance to Muslim minorities around the world in general, and the British Muslim minority in particular.

Currently, there are two main views:

The first view states that there is no future for Muslims in Britain; it is Haram for Muslims to live in Dar al-Kufr; there is too much moral and spiritual corruption in the UK; it is highly recommended, if not Wajib to make Hijra; and therefore, Muslims should all migrate fro the UK

The second view states that there is no Dar al-Islam to migrate to; it is not so simple to deny a future for Muslims in Britain; it is impossible for millions of Muslims to migrate to a neighbouring country let alone a Muslim country; 35% of the Muslim Ummah is living as minority; British Muslim minority in comparison to other minorities is much well off, and hence, a reason not to make hijra but to stay and fight for our religious and civil rights.

I would like to hear arguments for and against the two views.

JazakumAllahu Khairan

wasalam

Masha'Allah.. is this research part of a academic study brother Abu Zubair? Cause I myself followed two year courses on Migration History? Can you e-mail me or pm me about it?

Barakallahu fik.

[Mohammed Kareemullah]

i support the second openion. I am not aware of muslims condition in uk but i know so called muslims countries - how they are treating muslims. In Egypt muslims not allowed to have beard and should not stick to religion, even islamic curriculm changed to an extent , people allowed to practise religion as a routine act of life. But not allowed to practise lively - this is openion i got from egyptians, its not my openion
whereas in pakistan - its another story of enthusiantic pervez musharraf who want pakistan to be another turky.

what i suggest live any where, live with eeman and taqwa, practise islam whole heartedly and should respect others according to islamic teachings. Respect other nationals and try to live and let others live with comfortable. Once non muslims around in office or neighbourhood, they are able to watch a muslim, how helpful he is and how honest and how we fear to CREATOR. THis chance wont be there if migrated to a muslim country. Muslim should be based on education of both worldy and Islamic. A true, practising Muslim - his image is enough to create a thinking in non muslims mind.

[ibn 'abd al-jabbaar]

As-salaamu ‘alaikum,

I am researching the topic of Hijra and its relevance to Muslim minorities around the world in general, and the British Muslim minority in particular.

Currently, there are two main views:

The first view states that there is no future for Muslims in Britain; it is Haram for Muslims to live in Dar al-Kufr; there is too much moral and spiritual corruption in the UK; it is highly recommended, if not Wajib to make Hijra; and therefore, Muslims should all migrate fro the UK

The second view states that there is no Dar al-Islam to migrate to; it is not so simple to deny a future for Muslims in Britain; it is impossible for millions of Muslims to migrate to a neighbouring country let alone a Muslim country; 35% of the Muslim Ummah is living as minority; British Muslim minority in comparison to other minorities is much well off, and hence, a reason not to make hijra but to stay and fight for our religious and civil rights.

I would like to hear arguments for and against the two views.

JazakumAllahu Khairan

wasalam

as-salaamu 'alaikum,

regarding the first view, then one could argue for it in the sense that there are things in the UK that a muslim cannot escape which are haraam outright such as certain kinds of (mandatory) insurance (i.e. car insurance), or bank accounts in general or other systems of riba. furthermore, the society is one of great faahishah, and generally one cannot escape exposure to it unless they live in a muslim-majority area or they constrain themselves to their houses. it is extremely difficult for one to stick to even the pillars of the parctise of religion. for many muslims performing certain obligations like salaah in jama'ah is not viable because masaajid are too few and far between (in the majority of the UK).

although there may be no actual daar al-islam, there will be certain places which are more receptive to the practise of islam, where one can practise and implement the commands and prohibitions of allah moreso than they could before, and live more in accordance with the sunnah, without risking being oppressed because of it. so if performing hijrah to a place where you can implement more of the sunnah openly and can perform your obligations as you should, then surely such a hijrah would at least be mustahab.

that being said we must also consider that the situation may be different for different people. some may find it extremely easy to avoid various vices and problems associated with living in the UK and adhere to islam and the sunnah (and its implementation) to a reasonably good degree and perhaps the ruling of hijrah in their case would not be the same as for the case of one who cannot avoid things like riba or fawaahishah. however, there is no doubt that some muslims, not fulfilling their obligations as they should be, would use such a concession (of different ruling according to different situations) to attempt to justify their own presence in the UK by claiming that they experience no impediment to their practising of islam (to whatever extent that is).

so perhaps people would look at the situation and suggest that because the case for the majority of muslims is that there are certain haraam matters (which may even be obliged upon us by UK law, such as certain kinds of insurance) that cannot be avoided then the general rule would be hijrah is at the very least mustahaab.

this is a topic of extreme importance especially when we consider that the muslims have never been in this position where so many have assumed permanent residence under the non-muslim governments to be subject to their laws, as it was always the case that the muslims were generally in a position of authority over the kuffaar. some may draw the analogy with the shelter given to some of the muslims under negus, and our residence here in the U.K, although one could argue that this country is certainly not a christian one in the sense it does not rule from the christian scripture, and certainly does not allow muslims to practise islam how they want.

it is important that this matter is clarified with all of the evidences taken into account.

these are some of my thoughts on the matter. wa allahu 'alim

[Abu Muqatil]

I wish you every success with your project. It is long overdue from a Briton formally studied in Shariah and maintaining the balance of Ahlus-Sunnah between the two extremes current in the UK.

It seems to me an integral part of such a study is a balanced understanding and correct application of al-Walaa` wal-Baraa` (Islamic doctrine of allegiance and disavowal) as a Muslim minority in 21st century UK again between the two ignorant extremes here. I feel mere quoting of the statements of the scholars from the Najdi call is unhelpful and taken out of context.

I would also advise a proper detailed social study of the circumstances of those British Muslims who have migrated based upon credal motivations. Such a study will look at migration laws of Muslim countries and assess the lifestyles of those ex-pats. Again more than the annecdotal evidence and internet hearsay that we are all familiar with.

It only in the light of the above two (and perhaps other fundamentals) that one can properly assess those two views (if indeed there is no alternative).

I think you should also look into the works of Winter and the rest as they have done some original research into the Muslim minority experience throughout history and concomitant issues of identity.

And Allah knows best.

waffaqakumullaah

[terrorthreat]

The following lectures from Anwar al Awlaki maybe helpful as well especially since he lived in America for a while and was an Imam of a Masjid in California.

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=876

[Logic lover]

There is no Darul Islam to migrate to, rather places of lessor evil. How well one is coping with his duties whilst living in this country varies from person to person. Even if one is able to ward of major evils - what about the prospect of his children? Is it not likely that their loyalty will be seriously tested. Look at the Football competition. This nation would consider the world cup to be a bigger prize than winning a war in Iraq for example. Yet, we see an element of the Muslim youth is happy to support England and see them win, despite knowing that happiness of the Muslims should not be based on football, rather on the creed.

Having stated that, our duties to enjoin the good and frobid the evil would still apply wherever we live. The risk to safety is greater though, when the truth is spoken in the vast majority of the Muslim lands. The regimes are likely to treat us harsher than the treatment recieved in Forest Gate shooting.

So, the test from Allah comes with the risk on our safety, property and life. The Sahaba made Hijra from Makkah to Medina, not just for safety, but to make the religion supreme by sacrifice, eventually resulting in better safety. Yet, Allah described refraining from Jihad (even offensive Jihad) as a form of destruction when some of the Muslims decided to withdraw from Jihad after a while (and it is a risky business) and look after their families and businesses.

Allah knows best.

[AbuSulaiman]

assalaamu alaikum

I'm surprised that there isn't more discussion in this thread because its an important topic that touches the lives of most of us on this board (i think).

To add to the first view i would say that post 9/11 & 7/7 you just don't know how much time you have before the door of your own house is kicked down and you get a bullet in your shoulder. The legit islamic activities of today may throw you in prison tomorrow.

Another reason to make hijra is knowing that my tax pounds help fund the military that is rolling over Muslim lands. So hijra isn't just an issue of doing what is recommended/obligatory its an issue of warding of the punishment of Allah in the Hereafter because that bullet that kills an innocent Iraqi could have been bought with my tax pounds.

Another reason, and a counter-argument to the "we can effect change through politics" of the opposite camp is simply to look at the Muslims in America. They are more assimilated and politically active than ourselves in the UK, and they are making very little headway for Muslim rights. Those that show allegiance to Islam are branded as terrorist backers, and only the most loyal Uncle-Tom Muslim orgs get favourable headlines. And to tell you the truth those organisations seem to be more a liability than anything else.

I also wanted to say that there are so many brothers and sisters who talk of hijra and dream of hijra and don't want to get involved in any practical da'wah on the excuse that they're focusing solely on hijra.... and then 5 or even 10 years later they're still talking of hijra, so neither did they make hijra in all that time and neither did they benefit the community as they should have.

[Abuz Zubair]

Jk bro AbuSulaiman for your valuable contribution.

Your point about the deteriorating situation in the West is not doubt valid.

On an individual level, it might be obligatory on a person to leave the Western countries for the safety of his own Deen and life. Similarly, the opposite could also be argued for on an individual basis that those who feel unsafe in Muslim countries, should migrate to other countries where they can practise more freely.

However, when we speak of societies, the nature of the problem completely changes and becomes very complex.

Given the fact that once you have a million Muslims living anywhere in the world, to tell them all to make Hijra is out of the question. Such a huge mass of Muslims cannot be relocated elsewhere.

Especially when it comes more 35% of Muslims living as minorities around the world, and the vast majority of them living in repressive communist or socialist states, such as China and Russia, where Muslims are openly and institutionally persecuted.

Yes, individuals in tens or even hundreds can leave those countries and go elsewhere. But it certainly does not solve the problem for the rest of the 35% living in non-Muslim countries.

35% is a huge number, and to help them survive is an obligation uypon the entire Ummah. 35% to become diluted and detached from the rest of the Ummah is not at all an ideal state for the Ummah.

As far as taxes are concerned, then no matter where a Muslim lives, he will have to pay taxes, and if not, there are other forbidden acts he is dealing in. The point is that there is no Islamic Statement at present that can accept us and let us live a complete Halal Islamic life.

Hence, we need to recognise that our modern problems are unprecedented, such that it has not been dealt with by the classical scholars of Islam; and that our problems are quite complex, which require complex solutions.

wasalam

[Abu_Abdallah]

al-Salamu 'Alaikum,

Nice posts brothers! I have a question concerning the problem of buying a house in a non-Muslim country. How do people perceive the problem of mortgage and the problem of interest? Would you disencourage Muslims of buying a house, only renting one? Or do you recognize the reality of the payement/receiving of interest in other things, and therefore tolerate having a mortgage?

Jazakumullah.. and I look forward to interesting answers.

wa-Salamu 'Alaikum.

[Abu_Abdallah]

al-Salamu 'Alaikum,

Nice posts brothers! I have a question concerning the problem of buying a house in a non-Muslim country. How do people perceive the problem of mortgage and the problem of interest? Would you disencourage Muslims of buying a house, only renting one? Or do you recognize the reality of the payement/receiving of interest in other things, and therefore tolerate having a mortgage?

Jazakumullah.. and I look forward to interesting answers.

wa-Salamu 'Alaikum.

[terrorthreat]

Assalaam Alaikum,

I think Muslims should create security teams and units in the West to protect masjids and other Muslims institutions. This will also help the Muslim communities in the future if the attacks against them become more violent. If the Muslim minorities are stuck in Kafir-majority lands then they need to have some sort of self defense mechanism in place before things get out of control.

Sometimes it seems to me that many Muslims communities are sitting ducks waiting for another Bosnia to happen to them.

WSalaam

[AbuSulaiman]

assalaamu alaikum

tt, i don't believe we're there yet. Yes, its a good idea to have brothers keeping an eye out on the safety of our mosques, but why not opt for the easier option of CCTV, and enlisting the help of the police to protect the masajid (not that they're actually being burnt down everyday).

Abu Zubair, another issue we need to address is whether the Muslim minorities in the West actually WANT to go home? Even if a couple of countries opened their gates for Muslims to move back to - how many do you think will take up the offer? Probably only a very few - a subset of practising Muslims.

[terrorthreat]

Assalaam Alaikum,

Well I don't live in the UK so don't exactly know what a CCTV is. However, why should we wait til masajid are being burned down til we prepare. I mean I am not calling for a full blown armed militia or anything but a well organized security apparatus that will not only serve to protect but also serve as a detterent. Just an Idea maybe its not useful in the UK but in the US and some other countries where Muslims are more vunerable.

[Abuz Zubair]

I have a question concerning the problem of buying a house in a non-Muslim country. How do people perceive the problem of mortgage and the problem of interest? Would you disencourage Muslims of buying a house, only renting one? Or do you recognize the reality of the payement/receiving of interest in other things, and therefore tolerate having a mortgage?

To be honest, the way it seems to me is that mortgage is only a solution for those who are well-off. The argument that poor people cannot by houses except through mortgage schemes is nonsense.

If one is well enough to pay the mortgage every month, he is well enough to pay the rent. The only difference is that if he gets to live for another 25 years, he might have a house to his name, where is one paying rent would not.

The other problem with some of us here is that we have taken a defeatist approach towards our problems in the West, where we instead of looking at Islamic alternatives, quickly render Haram into Halal based on the necessity and maslaha argument.

There is definitely a need for Islamic compliant financing in the West, which is why we see HSBC and other banks trying to fill that gap. However, they seem to be bending over backwards to modify their mortgage schemes making it resemble somewhat ‘Islamic’.

There is no doubt a need for an Islamic loaning system. Having an Islamic loaning system which is really based on mercy and ‘nadhiratun ila maysara’ (waiting while the debtor is able to pay), in a cutthroat capitalistic society is an uphill struggle. But I still have hope.

Brothers TT and AS, irrespective of our own security in the West, I think we realise that to move huge settlements of Muslims residing outside of Muslim countries is an impossible task.

Yes, a handful of individuals can always move about, pack their bags and resettle in a different country, but that is not at all a solution for an entire community.

As bro AS said, even if a Muslim country were to open up its borders to the Muslims from a particular minority, even then the Muslims will stay where they are. It is not about Muslims wanting or not wanting to make hijra. It is about the practically of such a huge mass-relocation of a settlement.

Hence, the minority problem still remains, whether a handful of us migrate or not.

[UmmMusab]

Currently, there are two main views:

The first view states that there is no future for Muslims in Britain; it is Haram for Muslims to live in Dar al-Kufr; there is too much moral and spiritual corruption in the UK; it is highly recommended, if not Wajib to make Hijra; and therefore, Muslims should all migrate fro the UK

I would be for this view, however, it may not be so simple...I think we should utilise the oppurtunities we have here in the UK, educate ourselves first, and then migrate to utilise these skills elsewhere to benefit the Ummah. At the same time you can give dawah to the muslims and NON-muslims here, as they too need some muslims in the UK to be able to represent Islam correctly to them.

The second view states that there is no Dar al-Islam to migrate to; it is not so simple to deny a future for Muslims in Britain; it is impossible for millions of Muslims to migrate to a neighbouring country let alone a Muslim country; 35% of the Muslim Ummah is living as minority; British Muslim minority in comparison to other minorities is much well off, and hence, a reason not to make hijra but to stay and fight for our religious and civil rights.

I think this is the view that the majority hold. Although there is no Dar-ul-Islam to migrate to, there are other places where you can migrate to where it may be easier to practice your deen. Yes we should fight for our civil and religious rights, but what if we fail, for example the "Hijab ban in France" etc. then it would obviously be necessary for one to make Hijrah.

Hence, will you compromise or sacrifice?

But I had recently heard a lecture by Sheikh Anwar Al Awlaki on the topic of Hijrah. The brother had highlighted how the money from our taxes is used to help aid the British Army, who kill our brothers and sisters in Iraq etc. (as someone mentioned in this thread)...it made me wonder...Will we still be accountable for helping aid the Army, although this wasn't our intention?! but rather, we pay the taxes because we have to. Also, many speak of boycotting Israeli products, but to me this is similar to the whole tax issue, so does this mean we don't pay our taxes now?! (which I think would be impossible living here, lol).

Also, I thought all mortgages were a no, no?! Because at the end of the day, there is no real "Islamic Bank"..well we have the so-called "Islamic bank of Britain" but I still don't think it's legit. I know of someone who had opened an account with them and their account is still flooded with interest, even though they said they wanted an interest free one...

Anyways, although many may not migrate, if we choose to reside in the West forever, then it would be better if the Muslim Community could atleast unite as one, and form the brotherhood, to help each other uphold Islam living in the West...i.e. open up more Islamic Schools, Fight for the right to wear Jilbab/Hijab at state schools etc. beause we find that sometimes Muslims aren't so bothered about each other living here...I mean how often do we even say salam to each other on the streets, the mosques etc?!

walaykum salam.

[SAINT GEORGE OF ARABIA]

british born schoolars are really few. if you cannot leave you can at least take your kids there to study. it will be a big plus to have abondance of schoolars who can speak, read and write both english and arabic; and they are available to give talk everyday in masaajid

[Abuz Zubair]

Hence, will you compromise or sacrifice?

How about sacrificing here in Britain?

You see, the reality which cannot be changed is this:

Muslims are here in the UK in huge numbers. It is impossible for such a huge numbers to just get up and leave.

Remember, they form an important part of 35% Muslims living outside of Muslim countries.

This means, something has to be done to cater for them and help them preserve their deen and identity.

If we fail, we loose 35% of the Ummah - a huge loss.

So I think the solution is to help ourselves by finding solutions to our problems.

If this gov, like the french places a ban on Hijab, just don't send kids school. In fact, home education works wonders!

The point is, we are in a situation like the Muslims when they arrived in Spain.

As it is reported that Tariq b. Ziyad told his army to burn the ships and said:

أين المفر؟ البحر من ورائكم والعدو من أمامكم وليس لكم والله إلا الصدق والصبر

To where will you flee? The sea is behind you, while the enemy in front. And you have nothing, by Allah, except Sidq and Sabr.


british born schoolars are really few. if you cannot leave you can at least take your kids there to study. it will be a big plus to have abondance of schoolars who can speak, read and write both english and arabic; and they are available to give talk everyday in masaajid

Very good point. This is why we need our own traditional Islamic educational institutes that will produce muftis. It is also very important that they remain detatched from the government. This means, Muslims will have to fund this project themselves, without expecting a penny from the Queen.

[Logic lover]

Brother Abuz Zubayr wrote:

''The point is, we are in a situation like the Muslims when they arrived in Spain.

As it is reported that Tariq b. Ziyad told his army to burn the ships and said:

أين المفر؟ البحر من ورائكم والعدو من أمامكم وليس لكم والله إلا الصدق والصبر

To where will you flee? The sea is behind you, while the enemy in front. And you have nothing, by Allah, except Sidq and Sabr.''

Reply: The Muslims arriving in Spain at that initial period and for most of the perid (as far as I understand) had to endure the onslaught of the kuffar through Jihad and so on. So, how do you compare the two scenerio (the past and the present situation in the lands of the Romans)?

[Abuz Zubair]

I think you misunderstood the comparison.

What I meant was that the instance at which the Muslims arrived in Spain and burnt their boats, they had no choice but to fight till death. They could not run away back to Maghrib.

We in Britain are in a similar sort of situation. Us being here in such a huge number is aking to burning our boats. In this situation, we have to come to terms with the fact that we are here to stay. This means we have no choice but to struggle to preserve our faith and identity.

[Logic lover]

JazakAllah for your reply brother.

You have mentioned of the Spanish conquest by the Muslims and their self-imposed choice of settling through the means of fighting.

Currently in the lands of the Romans - it is said that we are here through a covenant, unlike the case of Spain in the 7th century. In Spain, the Muslims forced the kuffar to come under them. Now, we have either imposed the restricitons of the 'covenant' or been imposed with one.

As for the 'covenant', I understand that you are of the view that it is Islamic, though in the vast majority of the cases of migration, we have been given the visa as individuals without any consideration of our religion.

So, on what basis does the 'covenant' (or visa for that matter) become Islamically binding on us?

Please bear in mind that there is no official record of who is Muslim or otherwise, in this country.

[abu_ibrahim]

Abu Baseer Tartoosi has discussed this issue.

The Qaramitah group took over Makkah and governed it with their disbelief and killed the Muslims who came for pilgrimage.

They're leader was Abu Tahir Al-Qarmati, and entered Makkah in 317AH. It is claimed that they murdered 30,000 Muslims.

They were founded by a Persian Magian, who believed in marrying siblings, disbelieved in Prophethood and Resurrection. They also believed in marrying boys.

Makkah was also governed by Sharif Hussein, a British agent.

[nomad]

Assalamu alaykum,

When we see Ansar we will have muhajaroon. There is no welcome to muslim countries. To get a job you need a degree, or bags of cash, or pay bribes (defeats the object really). The Ulema do talk about making hijrah, but how do they help facillitate it? It is really hard to emigrate these days. Even the normal every day muslims, do they really help anyone to emigrate. Do they offer any kind of help to muslims who have up and left. Not even a teaspoon!!!

salams nomad

[Abuz Zubair]

This is why I say to the brothers, and especially the salafi brothers who are young and unmarried, we need to start looking at things at a practical level, far from fantasies and ideals.

Many people have gone abroad for hijra and came back to square one.

[Umm Ahmed]

Assalamu alaykum,

When we see Ansar we will have muhajaroon. There is no welcome to muslim countries. To get a job you need a degree, or bags of cash, or pay bribes (defeats the object really). The Ulema do talk about making hijrah, but how do they help facillitate it? It is really hard to emigrate these days. Even the normal every day muslims, do they really help anyone to emigrate. Do they offer any kind of help to muslims who have up and left. Not even a teaspoon!!!

salams nomad

Wa alaykum usalaam

This is true muslims in muslims countries need to get their act together , I can say 99% of the people where I am know nothing about muslims trying to make hijra.
Do you have any suggestions on how to educate them on this ? even an idea for a poster that I could post on masjid notice boards.

[Umm Ahmed]

How about sacrificing here in Britain?

You see, the reality which cannot be changed is this:

Muslims are here in the UK in huge numbers. It is impossible for such a huge numbers to just get up and leave.

Remember, they form an important part of 35% Muslims living outside of Muslim countries.

This means, something has to be done to cater for them and help them preserve their deen and identity.

If we fail, we loose 35% of the Ummah - a huge loss.

So I think the solution is to help ourselves by finding solutions to our problems.

If this gov, like the french places a ban on Hijab, just don't send kids school. In fact, home education works wonders!

This is also true.
No country can take an influx of such a large number and some just cant afford it and will have no choice but to stay .
Practical steps have to be in place and rights have to be fought for through your local MP ect .
One point is I think that makes life hard on those practicing are those that are willing to appease the non muslims , it's a battle on two fronts.
Many times when people are pushed into a corner they finally come out swinging .InshaAllaah this makes the muslims stronger.

[SAINT GEORGE OF ARABIA]

i always suggest that muslims in the west should stick together and stand up for our deen. they are not targetting us, they are watching the next generation really close to make sure they acquire false knowledge. yeah that's right!!! islamic britain is suffering from false knowledge or lack of it.
mass hijra will be a huge loss after so much effort we have put to establish islam in the west.
muslim countries have their own unislamic way of life that will stun you. as a network engineer, a british national of black descent i dont have a chance to settle in the emirates even though i have been here for a year.
i cannot pass interview with beards, i have to have unislamic appearance to be considered. if i was a white convert things would have been different. i dont want to bribe anyone to get a job, or dress in suit and tie. otherwise i will have to accept small salary which will be nothing. plus i have my son here, he goes to the best islamic school here and school bus doesnt reach our area so he has to use taxi.
also you will find how indians are treated here subhnallah,
leaving here i only have one regret, my son didnt finish the quran and i will have to prepare for another hijra which will probably take me 2 years. may be i will try saudi arabia which is already known for being harsh to foreigners. i am not interested in arabs attitude i just want to learn my deen and get out.
best advice for muslims in the west is to take their kids out in search of knowledge and go back, they will need it in the future. and make dua for Allah to change bilaad kufr to bilaad iman. and in sha Allah it will be a less harder for our children and even lesser for our grandchildren.
mass hijra is not a good idea, i wanted to go to yemen but i heard you cannot land there if you dont know anyone well forget it, if it's not easy to be allowed in the country with beards and british passport how are you going to settle? so i will have to go back and plan another hijra in sha Allah. but alhamdulillah, we both (me and my son) learned something...... but i quit. may be another country....... another time.