Polygamy..WOULD YOU

[Abu Malik al-Maliki]

Would you do it???

[Ibn Muhammad]

Lol! Why not? The more the merrier! :D

[IbnShaykh]

Would you do it???

Bismillah

No offense but I hate these discussions, personaly all I ever see them bring are stupid comments or ignorant statements. It is something personal and a personal choice of the individual or a married couple themselves, if they wish to take on this life choice. I don't see the need to discuss it in public over and over, yes it is halal and something good mashallah however it has implications, but to discuss it time and time again it becomes tiresome.

Sorry if I seem rude its just these topics always come up, polygamy, marriage, race and its always the same stuff that comes out never really anything useful or constructive, and often in the form of cringeworthy comments or daftness.

Just my personal thoughts from what I have seen, others may disagree and consider it a fruitful discussion. :)

[IbnShaykh]

Lol! Why not? The more the merrier! :D

Bismillah

I posted my comment just after Ibn Muhammad posted his and I feel my comment was justified lol :D

See what I mean it just gets a tad daft, now all we need is some sister to go 'but its not applicable' or 'I don't share!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

In all seriousness this is an aspect of our shariah and we should be careful of how we deal with it, we arnt like the kuffar.

[Allah Diya]

Polygamy in the old days was understandable when women were very subservient and respectful to their husbands. These days its such a headache having just one wife (in general). The women have become more insolent and rebellious.

[Abuz Zubair]

The vast majority of those who discuss it do not even have one wife.

[IbnShaykh]

The vast majority of those who discuss it do not even have one wife.

Exactly my point, same with those who diss the Ulema they havn't studied one book cover to cover (that includes me) or discuss jihad yet have never even touched a rifle. Talk talk talk, no reality and thats my aversion and general avoidance for such discussions.

[leo]

True and such topics often remain inconclusive :D

[Ibn Muhammad]

On a more serious note, I would much prefer the idea of having multiple slave girls, but then and again, I think I'm still dreaming...

[IbnShaykh]

On a more serious note, I would much prefer the idea of having multiple slave girls, but then and again, I think I'm still dreaming...

Is that befiting of a muslim to say? Or are we talking like the kuffar do?

[Ibn Muhammad]

Sorry, I do apologise.

[IbnShaykh]

Sorry, I do apologise.

Bismillah

I am not sure if thats sarcastic or not, and to be honest my intention wasn't to condem but to point it out. If we examine how the kuffar talk and their adab we find that many muslims have begun to fall into this. I always find it an irony that we base our daw'ah on their attitude towards their women 'oh they have no respect' and 'talk about them as if they are a commodity' yet we end up saying the exact same things. I find it rather distasteful and of bad ettiqute, when we begin talking of our 'dreams' that is sexual fantasies albeit in a tongue in cheek way. Sexual fantasies sounds such a serious and vulgar way to express it, but isn't that what it breaks down to? Our desires and wants in women? Thus how can it be halal or apporpirate to express in public around mixed groups?

Again I am not saying this directed at anyone and wallahi I am not a righteous person I just notice these things and I find it is a hypocrisy on the part of us muslims to condem the kuffar for these types of comments and attitudes and yet we fall into it ourselves.

I often wonder if we would say these things infront of our mothers, or fathers or in a halaqa or infront of a shaykh. It's rather odd our haya only extends to these groups yet as soon as we are let loose among brothers we are familiar with our internet outlets we all forget ourselves and begin falling into bad adab. Maybe we are anymous here or maybe we are familiar with certain brothers but Allaah sees us, and that is the bottom line haya is for his sake and to beautify ourselves before our lord, not so that people percieve us to be a pure individual.

by the way this is why I dislike these discussions lol because they always make me wana say this and I always bite my tongue but Inshallah perhaps these is some benefit in saying this.

The prophet saws said:

“Modesty is part of faith, and faith leads to heaven; while vulgarity is part of unfaith, and unfaith leads to hell.” (Related by Al-Bukhari in Al-Adab Al-Mufrad, Ibn Majah and Al-Hakim).

And:

"He does not utter a [single] word, except that there is, with him, [an angel] ready and waiting [to record it]." Qur'an, [50:18]

And:

On the authority of Abu Hurayrah :

"Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should say [something] good, or he should keep silent." [Bukhari, Muslim, Ahmad, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah]


Narrated at-Tirmidhi: 'A person may utter a word he thinks is harmless, which results in his falling the depth of 70 years into Hellfire'

"There is nothing that will be heavier in the Believer's scales, on the Day of Judgment, than good character. Indeed Allah hates the wicked and the ill-mouthed person” (Abi Dawoud and Tirmidhi)

I wonder how Allaah views our adab and the way in which we speak.

[Abu Malik al-Maliki]

The vast majority of those who discuss it do not even have one wife.

If you are offering, no sorry but I'm straight

[waziri]

Would you do it???

I have neither the energy or the money.

[Niqaabis]

Bismillah

I am not sure if thats sarcastic or not, and to be honest my intention wasn't to condem but to point it out. If we examine how the kuffar talk and their adab we find that many muslims have begun to fall into this. I always find it an irony that we base our daw'ah on their attitude towards their women 'oh they have no respect' and 'talk about them as if they are a commodity' yet we end up saying the exact same things. I find it rather distasteful and of bad ettiqute, when we begin talking of our 'dreams' that is sexual fantasies albeit in a tongue in cheek way. Sexual fantasies sounds such a serious and vulgar way to express it, but isn't that what it breaks down to? Our desires and wants in women? Thus how can it be halal or apporpirate to express in public around mixed groups?

Again I am not saying this directed at anyone and wallahi I am not a righteous person I just notice these things and I find it is a hypocrisy on the part of us muslims to condem the kuffar for these types of comments and attitudes and yet we fall into it ourselves.

I often wonder if we would say these things infront of our mothers, or fathers or in a halaqa or infront of a shaykh. It's rather odd our haya only extends to these groups yet as soon as we are let loose among brothers we are familiar with our internet outlets we all forget ourselves and begin falling into bad adab. Maybe we are anymous here or maybe we are familiar with certain brothers but Allaah sees us, and that is the bottom line haya is for his sake and to beautify ourselves before our lord, not so that people percieve us to be a pure individual.

by the way this is why I dislike these discussions lol because they always make me wana say this and I always bite my tongue but Inshallah perhaps these is some benefit in saying this.

The prophet saws said:

“Modesty is part of faith, and faith leads to heaven; while vulgarity is part of unfaith, and unfaith leads to hell.” (Related by Al-Bukhari in Al-Adab Al-Mufrad, Ibn Majah and Al-Hakim).

And:

"He does not utter a [single] word, except that there is, with him, [an angel] ready and waiting [to record it]." Qur'an, [50:18]

And:

On the authority of Abu Hurayrah :

"Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should say [something] good, or he should keep silent." [Bukhari, Muslim, Ahmad, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah]


Narrated at-Tirmidhi: 'A person may utter a word he thinks is harmless, which results in his falling the depth of 70 years into Hellfire'

"There is nothing that will be heavier in the Believer's scales, on the Day of Judgment, than good character. Indeed Allah hates the wicked and the ill-mouthed person” (Abi Dawoud and Tirmidhi)

I wonder how Allaah views our adab and the way in which we speak.

Jazaak Allaahu khairan

I request for the Admins to please make this a separate post and to make it sticky

[morbius]

When I was younger I thought that one wife is too little.

Now that I'm older I think that one wife is too much. :)

[waziri]

When I was younger I thought that one wife is too little.

Now that I'm older I think that one wife is too much. :)

I bet she thinks your much too much aswell

[Umm]

Morbius, that's the kind of thing my husband would say!

[Magoo]

If you are offering, no sorry but I'm straight

youve got one twisted sense of humour, thats not even close to funny

[waziri]

asalamualaykum,

Akhi Magoo your a mod arent you?

Make akhi Ibn shaykhs post a sticky please.


wasalam

[Ibn Muhammad]

I was thinking to myself, what benefit have I added to this thread? Then the thought came to mind: "At least I inspired the brother to write such an inspirational post, that is was worthy of being a sticky." :)

[IbnShaykh]

I was thinking to myself, what benefit have I added to this thread? Then the thought came to mind: "At least I inspired the brother to write such an inspirational post, that is was worthy of being a sticky." :)

Bismillah

Mashallah Barak Allaahu feek ackhi and I am sorry if I offended you in anyway.

And Wallahi it isn't from me but Allaah so alhamdulliah.

[Ibn Muhammad]

Hayaak'Allaah ya akhee. At times I have found myself wanting to post something beneficial, only to find you have already preceded me in doing so.

[Magoo]

asalamualaykum,

Akhi Magoo your a mod arent you?

Make akhi Ibn shaykhs post a sticky please.


wasalam

this has been done akhi

[Umm Ahmed]

I mentioned in an other thread that I met 3 sisters who are co-wives, and get along very well together , they said part of that is because they all live in separate houses and enjoy the time they get together at others houses.
I also know families that since entering polygamy the husband is suffering due to the financial burden and not enough time to spend with his children, as he goes to work, then has to check on his different households, there is no one day here one day there where there are children , its only time share with the nights , this has affected the family as a whole , there are activities like going to the masjids ,swimming football ect that a father is better suited for.
Polygamy should never be taken lightly.
Single men might look at polygamy as more marital relations , but marriage is not just about that . its a huge responsibility, from raising children running a home , relations with inlaws and the community and working to feed your family.

[leo]

Those who are in favour must think twice that more than one marriage means more than one mother-in-law.

[WM]

!

Too much responsibility.

[Naseer08]

Men today don't have polygamy as an option, we all know the first wife won't let him.

[Niqaabis]

Men today don't have polygamy as an option, we all know the first wife won't let him.

You'd be suprised

I know of a sister who is currently looking for a 2nd wife for her husband

also there was a sister who had some health problems so she told her husband to find a 2nd wife to move in with them because she was not able to look after the family.

and just today one aunty that I know told me she also asked her husband to take a 2nd wife to free up some of her time so that she can do more da'wah within the older pakistani community

but these are very rare cases

[morbius]

When I visited Egypt and Morocco I remember thinking that women there are so unattractive that it makes perfect sense that God allowed local men to marry more than one. In fact, if someone would marry 50 of them, he’d probably do a great service to humanity. :)

But where I grew up girls are so beautiful that it would really be a crime to marry more than one.

[Tuwaylib]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder........ (to some extent)

[Abuz Zubair]

When I visited Egypt and Morocco I remember thinking that women there are so unattractive that it makes perfect sense that God allowed local men to marry more than one. In fact, if someone would marry 50 of them, he’d probably do a great service to humanity. :)

But where I grew up girls are so beautiful that it would really be a crime to marry more than one.
Does this mean that European women are ultra-ugly which compels men to take 10 to 20 partners in just one life span?

[morbius]

Does this mean that European women are ultra-ugly which compels men to take 10 to 20 partners in just one life span?

A matter of personal freedoms, not beauty.

Most beautiful women in the world are definitely Slavic women from Balkans and Ukraine. If you’d ever live there you would find it very hard to live anywhere else after seeing such beauty around you.

Semite women in general seem a whole lot less attractive than women of Indo-European origin, but as Tuwaylib said, beauty is in the eye of the observer. We might find a crocodile ugly, but I’m sure that other crocodiles don’t share that view.

[Abuz Zubair]

Of course, our dearest white-supremacist, anti-Semite guest. When a brown or a black man takes four legitimate wives, not only it is uncivilised, but also because black and brown women are unattractive.

But if a white person has a wife and several mistresses at work, the gym, etc, then not only it is his personal freedom, but also because he cannot help falling head over heals for white beauty.

Perhaps this is why you think that God perfected your race to colonise and manage the deficient coloured people.

[Salsabil]

Most beautiful women in the world are definitely Slavic women from Balkans and Ukraine. If you’d ever live there you would find it very hard to live anywhere else after seeing such beauty around you.


Balkans probably not, but Slavic women from Ukraine, Russia, Chekh republic etc., probably indeed are the most beautiful, and worst in terms of fornication, which probably is the reason behind their beauty i.e. a lot of blood mixing for centuries (prostitution etc., slavic women are N1 on the planet)

[IbnShaykh]

Of course, our dearest white-supremacist, anti-Semite guest. When a brown or a black man takes four legitimate wives, not only it is uncivilised, but also because black and brown women are unattractive.

But if a white person has a wife and several mistresses at work, the gym, etc, then not only it is his personal freedom, but also because he cannot help falling head over heals for white beauty.

Perhaps this is why you think that God perfected your race to colonise and manage the deficient coloured people.

He can't be a white supremacist as hes slavic, and slavs to aryan supremacists are sub human and were to be used as slaves for the germanic people. I find it funny he barks like he does when the majority of racists look down on his race themselves.

According to them your not white your eastern european.

[morbius]

Of course, our dearest white-supremacist, anti-Semite guest. When a brown or a black man takes four legitimate wives, not only it is uncivilised, but also because black and brown women are unattractive.

But if a white person has a wife and several mistresses at work, the gym, etc, then not only it is his personal freedom, but also because he cannot help falling head over heals for white beauty.

Perhaps this is why you think that God perfected your race to colonise and manage the deficient coloured people.

For all I care, you can marry 500 wives if they agree. I try not to hold a prejudice towards different cultures and customs.

If I say that Semite women are less attractive, it’s because I have reached such conclusion based on what I saw, but such things are subjective. For instance, I have a friend who worked in SA and she told me that in the restaurant when they take off their headgear Arab women look very good. I’ve never been to Arabia, so I can’t say.

[Niqaabis]

"The women of this world were made beautiful to those who can see in order to test which of them prefers them over the women of the Hereafter. So whoever knows the extent of differences, he will choose what deserves to be chosen."

[morbius]

He can't be a white supremacist as hes slavic, and slavs to aryan supremacists are sub human and were to be used as slaves for the germanic people. I find it funny he barks like he does when the majority of racists look down on his race themselves.

According to them your not white your eastern european.

There are no “superior” and “inferior” races or nations. Such words should never be used when we talk about human beings.

All I’m saying is the self-evident fact that the racial characteristics are real and no one will be able to convince me otherwise, not until the day I see white Michael Jordan.

[Umm Ahmed]

No one should say certain races are ugly thats rude and uncalled for.
To you Morbius women in your area are beautiful because thats your preference , just like Egyptian men will find their women beautiful.

[morbius]

I didn't say they are ugly, just that they are mostly unattractive, at least to me.

And yes, you are right, most people show sexual preference towards members of their own race. That’s why competitions such as Miss World are ridicules, we can’t compare beauty of women of different races, it’s like comparing apples to oranges.

[Hajjaj]

Most beautiful women in the world are definitely Slavic women from Balkans and Ukraine. If you’d ever live there you would find it very hard to live anywhere else after seeing such beauty around you.

You do not have to live in Balkans and Ukraine to see Slavic women every city in the Western Europe, most cities in the USA, most cities in the UAE, and Tel Aviv have areas were you can see these women anytime you want for spare change they're called "red light districts" were you can just buy one for a few hours.

[Umm]

You do not have to live in Balkans and Ukraine to see Slavic women every city in the Western Europe, most cities in the USA, most cities in the UAE, and Tel Aviv have areas were you can see these women anytime you want for spare change they're called "red light districts" were you can just buy one for a few hours.

This is true in the UK too.
The only other occupation they seem to have (when there is a traffic red light) here in London is windscreen cleaning.

[morbius]

Great economic difficulties in eastern Europe in the 90’s forced many into immigration. Without qualifications and knowledge of the language, some had to take the desperate measures in order to survive.

[waziri]

This is true in the UK too.
The only other occupation they seem to have (when there is a traffic red light) here in London is windscreen cleaning.

Oh are those ones that force you to have your windscreen cleaned even if you dont want to the ones mobidus is talkiong about? Lol you joka morbi

[waziri]

Great economic difficulties in eastern Europe in the 90’s forced many into immigration. Without qualifications and knowledge of the language, some had to take the desperate measures in order to survive.

Your right morbi I dont find them windscreen washers attractive in the least so I geuss its a case of different strokes for different folks.


The other day one of em after I told her that I DO NOT want my windscreen washed insisted to carry on and wash it and then after I gave her 20p she was like "only 20p"?.
I was like your lucky to get that next time Ill run you over LOL

[Hamza]

Your right morbi I dont find them windscreen washers attractive in the least so I geuss its a case of different strokes for different folks.


The other day one of em after I told her that I DO NOT want my windscreen washed insisted to carry on and wash it and then after I gave her 20p she was like "only 20p"?.
I was like your lucky to get that next time Ill run you over LOL

:D I usually spray the water. mean i know...

[Magoo]

Great economic difficulties in eastern Europe in the 90’s forced many into immigration. Without qualifications and knowledge of the language, some had to take the desperate measures in order to survive.

thats how our families came to the west, its not an excuse

[Irhaabi]

Tel Aviv have areas were you can see these women anytime you want for spare change they're called "red light districts" were you can just buy one for a few hours.

I assume ur a mini sheik bc of ur nik 'hajaj', so, sheik, how come u have that info. The ones in tel aviv are east european jews or r they 'illegal' christians?

[morbius]

thats how our families came to the west, its not an excuse

Never judge anybody, especially if you haven’t walked in their shoes.

Those women were often victims of human trafficking and forced to prostitution by criminals. Others simply had no other choice, coming to the foreign country often with no money, no food or place to sleep.

And don’t think that prostitution when facing the worst of difficulties is strange to Muslim women either. Number of Albanian women working as prostitutes abroad is estimated to about 30 000, while here where I live streets are full of prostitutes from Somalia. Those women are not to blame, they are victims of tragic circumstances.

[Magoo]

Never judge anybody, especially if you haven’t walked in their shoes.

Those women were often victims of human trafficking and forced to prostitution by criminals. Others simply had no other choice, coming to the foreign country often with no money, no food or place to sleep.

And don’t think that prostitution when facing the worst of difficulties is strange to Muslim women either. Number of Albanian women working as prostitutes abroad is estimated to about 30 000, while here where I live streets are full of prostitutes from Somalia. Those women are not to blame, they are victims of tragic circumstances.

good point

i have no doubt that their situations are difficult and they see no other avenue for survival and im sure there are cases of muslim women in this situation but there are examples of people who have come to the west in difficult circumstances and havent resorted to such occupations, there are always other options if you are willing to try

[Hajjaj]

In every group there are women that resort to this profession, but Slavic women are world known for this. There are not many Somali or Albanian women in the stripper industry or porn industry but Slavic women dominate these jobs on most every continent there is a glut of them. If these women are forced by criminal gangs these gangs are mostly made up of Slavic men. When will Morbius began a internet crusade against these men like he is crusading on this forum against the Muslims.

He thought he was clever when he under handedly insulted Muslim women. We on this forum are to uneducated to pick up on what he was trying to say; basically that Muslim women are ugly that why Muslim men need more than one wife, add this to his daily assaults against the Muslims and it makes me think his compassion for these women is an attempt to make the Muslims look bad by showing they have no compassion for these women. It was Morbius himself who said that race had a factor in people's economic outcomes perhaps this is why these women are like they are.

Look how compassionate Morbius is. He does not show this kind of compassion for Muslims who are forced to fight for their very lives not just economic reasons. No he hates the Muslims and Islam. I am not going to cut Morbius or people like him any slack they hate my lord, my religion and my prophet. He wants you me and everyone to be dammed to the hell fire. That is his mission and there is no gray area about it just read his post. Morbius and Mika are not people searching for the truth they are declared enemies of Islam by their own words.

[Umm]

good point



It's not a good point at all. It has a defensive "Don't make fun of others" tone, when his racist posts do just that.

Nevermind Morbius. You can convert to Islam along with 4 of these windscreen washers, marry them and financially provide for 4 'scrubbers'! That'll get them off the streets.

[Hajjaj]

I assume ur a mini sheik bc of ur nik 'hajaj', so, sheik, how come u have that info. The ones in tel aviv are east european jews or r they 'illegal' christians?

ISRAEL: WHOREHOUSE OF THE MIDDLE EAST
By Rev. Ted Pike
8 Nov 06

My article “Israel: On the Way to Empire in the Mideast” documents from Scripture an astonishing fact: Israel today is the symbolic “Mother of harlots” described in Revelation 17 and 18. Ancient Israel was first to be spiritually “married” to God and first to prostitute that unique relationship. Her forehead was branded “mother of harlots,” an epithet which has never been removed.
Today, Israel lives up to her name as an international hub of prostitution and white slavery in the Mideast.

Amnesty International, in its 2005 Report on Discrimination Against Women in Israel says:
Trafficking of women for forced prostitution has occurred over a number of years but appears to have been compounded in the past 15 years by several factors, including increased links between traffickers in Israel and former Soviet republics, in the wake of the large wave of immigration of citizens of these countries to Israel…
…Many women are lured to work in Israel under false pretense and are then forced into the sex industry. While many are reportedly aware that they will be working as sex workers, they are not aware they will be subject to violent and exploitative environments, working seven days a week and up to 18 hours a day for extremely low salaries or no salaries at all. Many are subjected to other serious human rights violations, including rape, deprivation of their liberty, and debt-bondage. Women forced to work as sex workers are reportedly also frequently subjected to threats of abuse and even murder. Half the women interviewed by the Hotline for Migrant Workers were effectively incarcerated by their “pimps” and, according to a 2003 survey, almost half of all women “sold” to pimps reported that policemen were among their clients.

According to a report by the Parliamentary Committee of Inquiry on the Trafficking in Women (Summary Report) issued in early 2005, some 3,000 to 5,000 women are brought annually into Israel and forced to work as sex workers and some 10,000 were estimated to be currently in the country…
Most of the women known to have been trafficked into Israel are from Ukraine, Moldova, Uzbekistan, and Russia, and are brought into Israel through the Egyptian-Israeli border. In the course of their journey, many are reportedly raped before traffickers sell them for $8,000-$10,000… 1
Jewish Michael Specter, in his article, “Slave Traders Lure Slavic Women,” confirms Amnesty’s report:

[In Israel] police officials estimate that there are 25,000 paid sexual transactions everyday. Brothels are ubiquitous…Once they [the women] cross the border [into Israel] their passports will be confiscated [by pimps], their freedoms curtailed, and what little money they have taken from them…The Tropicana in Tel Aviv’s bustling business district, is one of the busiest bordellos. The women who work there, like nearly all prostitutes in Israel today, are Russian. Their bosses, however, are not. ‘Israelis love Russian girls,’ said Jacob Golan, who owns this and two other clubs, ‘….They are blond and good-looking and different than us…And they are desperate. They are ready to do anything for money.’

Israel: Slow to Correct Problem
Prostitution and white slavery constitute a billion-dollar-a-year industry in Israel that expands virtually unrestrained.
About two to three thousand women from FSU (Former Soviet Union) countries annually enter Israel’s brothels. The US State Department, in its 2001 Trafficking in Persons Report, described Israel as among the very worst international offenders in allowing white slavery. They classed Israel in Tier 3, a group described as “not making significant efforts to bring themselves into compliance with the standards of the Dictums of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act of 2000.” Israel was grouped with Albania, Gabon, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, and Pakistan, who also received an “F” for failing to protect human rights.

After this scathing 2000 report, Knesset finally passed a law criminalizing white slavery. 3 Enforcement programs and lesser statutes have been enacted, with increased police attention to the problem. In 2004, the courts actually handed down 28 convictions to white slavers. Such efforts caused the US State Department to elevate Israel’s offender status to Tier 2. 4
However, recent reports by Amnesty and the state department are full of criticisms of Israel: While laws against sex slavery are now on the books, Israel shamelessly neglects to protect and encourage ex-prostitutes in their attempts to testify against their oppressors. Victims are largely denied full legal education, rights, services, and protection against vengeful pimps. Without victims’ testimony, laws against white slavery can’t be enforced.
Amnesty says,
The authorities—and in particular the police—still overwhelmingly considered trafficked sex workers simply as “criminals” who violated the Entry into Israel law, rather than victims of grave human rights violations who should enjoy the effective protection and assistance from state institutions. Consequently, the authorities have focused their activities on deporting trafficked women instead of protecting their rights and addressing their needs.

In addition, the Israeli authorities do not carry out any risk assessment of the possible dangers which trafficked women who have testified against their traffickers face after being deported back to their countries, leaving them and their families vulnerable to further human rights violations, including reprisals and retrafficking.

If a woman files a complaint against her Jewish slave master, as an illegal alien she will be imprisoned. As a result, an infinitesimal number of ex-prostitutes testify against their pimps. Consequently, very few slavers are convicted.
As a result of Israel’s anemic response to the problem of white slavery, most slavers are able to mock anti-prostitution laws and white slavery continues to expand.
The government of Israel claims great difficulty in combating this problem. But Knesset hasn’t even made organized prostitution a crime. The sex trade enriches Israel yearly by perhaps hundreds of millions of tax dollars. This may be part of the reason the government seems in no great hurry to clean up the industry.

History of Oppression
Four hundred years ago, Jewish slave traders dominated the lucrative business of shipment and sale of African slaves to the new world. 6 For at least the last 125 years, Jews have also overwhelmingly controlled organized prostitution and white slavery in Europe, the United States, and South America.

Jewish historian Edward Bristow, in his book Prostitution and Prejudice: the Jewish Fight against White Slavery, 7 says:
Rooted largely in Eastern and Central Europe where they "dominated the international traffic out of the area," (p. 2) Jews were involved in prostitution rings that networked, wrote Arthur Mora (of London’s Jewish Association for the Protection of Girls and Women) in 1903, “to almost all parts of North and South Africa, to India, China, Japan, Philippine Islands, North and South America, and also to many of the countries of Europe.” (p. 1)
Jewish criminals trafficked women under their control virtually anywhere, also including the major cities of Bulgaria, Bosnia, Greece, Turkey, Lebanon, Egypt, Ceylon, Manchuria, South Africa, Rhodesia, and Mozambique. (p.181)
“By 1900,” says Bristow, “Jewish commercial vice was largely incorporated in underworld elements and many of its participants were predators of the poor. (p. 89)

Jewish pimps, procurers, and traffickers, preyed mostly on non-Jewish women but even large numbers of Jewish women were a part of their stables. In 1872, for example, Jewish prostitutes in Warsaw numbered 17 percent of the known prostitution population, in Krakow, 27 percent, and in Vilna, 47 percent. (p. 23)

Within the Jewish community itself, it was not uncommon for recruiters to marry innocent Jewish young women and “deposit them in foreign brothels.”(p. 25)

Many of the Jewish criminal underworld figures apparently saw no gap between their day-to-day activities and their religious lives, often maintaining their religious obligations. A Warsaw thug, Shilem Letzsky, organized a small synagogue for “Jewish prostitutes, madams, pimps, and thieves.” This criminal community even had a rabbinical court “to settle disputes between pimps.” (p. 60)

Other authorities say:
In Constantinople, prostitutes contributed money to “have their pimps called to Torah on holidays.” 8
In Buenos Aires, Argentina, the Jewish pimp organization, called the Varsovia Society, “…ostensibly functioned as a neutral aid society…In fact, the Varsovi, consisted of pimps who wanted to maintain their businesses and still live a religious life…Varsovia associates established their own synagogues on Guemes Street in the midst of the traditional bordello district.”9
Tradition of Prostitution Continues
In Israel today, the sale of human flesh continues. Jewish pimps and brothel-owners bring FSU girls to Israel to turn tricks in the thriving bordellos of Haifa and Tel Aviv.

Many of these women, though fair-haired, are undoubtedly Jewish “Ashkenazim.” They may well have taken advantage of airlifts of Jews out of the FSU, such as Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein's Wings of Eagles ministry, funded by idealistic evangelical Christians.

Most, however, are Gentiles. They may also have hitched a free ride to Israel on Wings of Eagles. The US State Department says: “In a new trend, traffickers in Ukraine reportedly have begun exploiting an Israeli law that allows all Jews to immigrate to Israel by providing victims with false identity documents.”

Specter's article says "elderly Jewish women in the Ukraine" were responsible for forging passports for Gentile prostitutes going to Israel. Presumably, these Jewish women received kickbacks from Jewish slavers in Haifa and Tel Aviv. With an FSU prostitute bringing in up to $100 thousand dollars annually, one suspects many of the "Jews" who are "ransomed" by gullible evangelical Christians are actually headed for white slavery in Israel.

The majority of FSU women who do not have the advantage of being labeled Jewish arrive in Israel through Cyprus and Egypt. Israeli customs police allow them to travel unhindered to slave auctions. Many are raped by pimps (testing the goods) and bought for $6 to $20 thousand dollars. In about 250 Israeli brothels, mostly in major cities, they satisfy the lust of Jewish businessmen, soldiers, tourists, etc. Servicing an average of 15 customers per girl per day, even a small brothel can make more than $8 thousand dollars per month from each woman.

Now virtual slaves to their Jewish pimps, these women pocket only a tiny percentage of their proceeds, most of which often go to support their families back in eastern Europe or Eurasia.
Double Standards
How can such vice and human bondage exist in what Christians consider God’s “Holy Land?” How can Orthodox Judaism, the official position of the state of Israel, tolerate such egregious human rights violations?
In my latest e-alert, “Talmud: Wellspring of Jewish Pornography Industry,” I document how the Talmud, the highest religious authority for observant Jews, sanctions adultery with Gentile “bondmaids” or slave girls. The Talmud gives Jewish men the right to rape them if they are found sleeping, or while they are awake if the rape is performed in a perverted manner, or if withdrawal occurs before climax is finished.
Judaism’s loopholes for adultery are nothing new. Both Christ and St. Paul accused the Pharisees and their followers of claiming to uphold God’s laws against sexual sin, yet violating them at the same time. (Matt. 12:39, Romans 9:22)

[morbius]

In every group there are women that resort to this profession, but Slavic women are world known for this. There are not many Somali or Albanian women in the stripper industry or porn industry but Slavic women dominate these jobs on most every continent there is a glut of them.

Maybe in that tiny part of USA that you had a chance to see in your brief life so far, but not in general. For instance, by the reports of the British Home Office, 76% of prostitutes in England are foreigners, out of which great majority comes from Albania and Lithuania, neither a Slavic country.
I don’t think that there’s a woman in the world whose first career choice was to be a prostitute. They get forced into it because of the lack of other options, so saying that some nations are more inclined to prostitution is stupid. The reason why a lot of prostitutes come from eastern Europe is purely economic. Fortunately, financial conditions in most of those countries have significantly improved during the last couple of years, meaning that less and less women will resort to selling their bodies.

When will Morbius began a internet crusade against these men like he is crusading on this forum against the Muslims.
You can’t fight organized crime with internet petitions. Human trafficking is highly profitable illegal enterprise and sadly there is very little that any of us as individuals can do about it.

He thought he was clever when he under handedly insulted Muslim women. We on this forum are to uneducated to pick up on what he was trying to say; basically that Muslim women are ugly that why Muslim men need more than one wife, add this to his daily assaults against the Muslims and it makes me think his compassion for these women is an attempt to make the Muslims look bad by showing they have no compassion for these women. It was Morbius himself who said that race had a factor in people's economic outcomes perhaps this is why these women are like they are.

Look how compassionate Morbius is. He does not show this kind of compassion for Muslims who are forced to fight for their very lives not just economic reasons. No he hates the Muslims and Islam. I am not going to cut Morbius or people like him any slack they hate my lord, my religion and my prophet. He wants you me and everyone to be dammed to the hell fire. That is his mission and there is no gray area about it just read his post. Morbius and Mika are not people searching for the truth they are declared enemies of Islam by their own words.
As always, you see what you want to see. I’m not going to argue with you, believe what you will.

[Magoo]

[quote=Umm;72905]It's not a good point at all. It has a defensive "Don't make fun of others" tone, when his racist posts do just that.
quote]

true, i retract that morbius, not becuase i disagree with what you said but because you have double standards

[Hajjaj]

I don’t think that there’s a woman in the world whose first career choice was to be a prostitute. They get forced into it because of the lack of other options, so saying that some nations are more inclined to prostitution is stupid. The reason why a lot of prostitutes come from eastern Europe is purely economic.

Once again your bias blinds you two reality if you were one pron to accepting evidences would have embraced Islam by now, but like most rejectors you turn a blind eye to the facts when it suits you. The break down of morality that you and your religion promote has produce a woman in the Slavic woman that see her body as a commodity and sees has no shame exploiting it around the world. Seeing these women only as just economic victims is just naive. Most went into the profession eyes wide open and thought they could control the situation believing in this equality of the sexes nonsense and the stronger sex pounded them into submission and they became slaves.

A survey compiled in the social and economic chaos of the 1990s revealed that Soviet women ranked prostitution eighth in a list of what they felt to be the top twenty most common employment positions in the USSR. In the same year, a separate survey indicated that 60 per cent of high school girls in Moscow admitted that they would exchange sex for hard currency. The demise of state socialism in the late 1980s and the opening of Soviet borders to Western economic and political influences coincided with massive changes in the government’s social and cultural policies. Known as glasnost, the program of cultural liberalization encouraged journalists and artists to address topics that had not previously been acknowledged or publicly debated in Soviet society, such as food shortages, inadequate housing, and drug abuse.

Through the Inostranets weekly, a paper geared toward Russians looking to find employment abroad, the institute polled women who already had job offers and were preparing to leave Russia. The poll ran twice, revealing the same result — 25% of young women leaving Russia were prepared to become sex workers if it earned more money. Unfortunately, since prostitution is illegal for migrants even in countries where it’s legalized, that means involvement with the underworld. Once they are absorbed into the shady illegal sex trade network, there’s a good chance they’ll find themselves in conditions they hadn’t bargained for. They are threatened, held responsible for travel costs, and in general are kept ignorant about their legal options.

Hughes uses dramatic descriptions of weeping mothers and kidnapped orphans in an effort to make prostitution illegal in both Russia and various destination countries. However, as discussed above, many women working as prostitutes are not “deceived victims” but rather are willing to endure the risks of prostitution, either in Russia or abroad, in order to make higher wages and support their families. Such was the case with the women in Saratov and with the women in the Moscow survey who could be viewed as simply “migrant sex workers.” Reports should look at both sides of the equation in order to avoid a misrepresentation of prostitution and sex-trafficking and the subsequent jeopardization of the lives of many women by making their economically justified professions more dangerous. Once the terms of debate are broadened to address the needs of both coerced victims and free-willed sex workers, national and international legislation concerning prostitution and sex-trafficking can better protect the rights of all.

http://www.waytorussia.net/news/2004-04/women-foreigners.html

[Abu Malik al-Maliki]

White / Caucasian women are generally ugly

[abu hafs]

White / Caucasian women are generally ugly
Right, thats why many a arab wants to marry white women ....you may find them ugly but many don't , same with women of all types.

I think its foolish to discuss this issue because none of them chose to be white/black/brown , Its not a choice that anyone makes unlike between Kufr and Islam.

[Umm]

White / Caucasian women are generally ugly

That is a very jaahil thing to say.

[morbius]

A survey compiled in the social and economic chaos of the 1990s revealed that Soviet women ranked prostitution eighth in a list of what they felt to be the top twenty most common employment positions in the USSR. In the same year, a separate survey indicated that 60 per cent of high school girls in Moscow admitted that they would exchange sex for hard currency.

Again, you are speaking and passing judgments without having a clue about a real world. If you knew how horrible things were in Russia and most of Eastern Europe in the 90’s, you’d know better than to pull such arguments. Unemployment was rampant and wages for those lucky enough to have a job were so small that you couldn’t feed a family with them. I still remember walking into stores and finding in them nothing but empty shelves. People lost all hope and it’s no wonder they were ready to do almost anything to get out of such situation.

I had a friend who managed to get a one year USA visa back in ‘95 or ‘96. In the beginning she was working two jobs, one in a workshop other in a restaurant, but she realized she wasn’t making much, wages were small when you don’t have a work permit. Then she started prostituting and in six months by lying on her back she made enough money to buy an apartment and a car when she returned. With the situation in Yugoslavia back then, she wouldn’t be able to afford those things even if she worked her fingers to the bone for the rest of her life. She isn’t proud of what she’s done, but desperate times require desperate measures.

[morbius]

White / Caucasian women are generally ugly

Interesting. Would you be able to tell me what is it exactly about them that you find unattractive?

[Hajjaj]

Again, you are speaking and passing judgments without having a clue about a real world. If you knew how horrible things were in Russia and most of Eastern Europe in the 90’s, you’d know better than to pull such arguments. Unemployment was rampant and wages for those lucky enough to have a job were so small that you couldn’t feed a family with them. I still remember walking into stores and finding in them nothing but empty shelves. People lost all hope and it’s no wonder they were ready to do almost anything to get out of such situation.

I had a friend who managed to get a one year USA visa back in ‘95 or ‘96. In the beginning she was working two jobs, one in a workshop other in a restaurant, but she realized she wasn’t making much, wages were small when you don’t have a work permit. Then she started prostituting and in six months by lying on her back she made enough money to buy an apartment and a car when she returned. With the situation in Yugoslavia back then, she wouldn’t be able to afford those things even if she worked her fingers to the bone for the rest of her life. She isn’t proud of what she’s done, but desperate times require desperate measures.

The 90's are over why does the tread continue?

I know immigrants from many places in America. Some very poor they do not own apartments or cars. This women felt like it was okay to lye on her back for these things. Your post proves my point she did not resort to prostituting because she was starving she just wanted more money quickly. Most poor immigrant women do not resort to prostitution just for economic gain. Some have been poor for generation. Christians seem to think any kind of behavior is okay as long as there is a little hardship and they always fall back on "don't judge me". Palestinian women have been coping with all sorts of hardships yet every major city in the world does not have Palestinian prostitutes, stippers, and pornstars and when you do find one odds are she is Christian.

You always talk about not passing judgments why don't you give the Muslims the same benefit as you do others? Instead of attacking them. Every time I reply to you it is in response to an attack by you on my religion or on Muslims. Cleverly veil backhanded comments that you think are over everyones head. I ask you this question. How come you never William Wurkmun Fosterr going back and forth with the Muslims on this Forum? Why don't I attack him?

[morbius]

The 90's are over why does the tread continue?

Fortunately, it’s dying down.
However, it won’t completely disappear until standard of living in the entire former eastern block rises a few more notches. Some of the countries that used to have huge emigration rates, such as Russia or Poland, have several times smaller emigration rates nowadays. However, some other countries, such as Moldavia or Albania, are still poorest in Europe and have a standard of living not much better than Afghanistan.



I know immigrants from many places in America. Some very poor they do not own apartments or cars. This women felt like it was okay to lye on her back for these things. Your post proves my point she did not resort to prostituting because she was starving she just wanted more money quickly.
Christianity actually allows committing a smaller evil in the interest of greater good. It’s up to individual to decide if it’s worth it.
It’s not like she spent that money on luxury, she spent it on necessities, so her children tomorrow will have a place to live. It’s easy to preach from a high horse, but if you never were poor, restrain yourself from it.

You always talk about not passing judgments why don't you give the Muslims the same benefit as you do others? Instead of attacking them. Every time I reply to you it is in response to an attack by you on my religion or on Muslims.
Do not think of my posts as attacks. Sure, I disagree with some of the things that get posted here and I react to them, but I’m trying hard not to be negative about anything simply because it is different from my beliefs.
However, some things are simply too hard for me to digest. I see people that are so sure about their religion that they are ready to kill for it without blinking and at the same time believe in mermaids and genies from the magic lamps.
I ask you this question. How come you never William Wurkmun Fosterr going back and forth with the Muslims on this Forum? Why don't I attack him?
I though the guy converted?

[Allah Diya]

This guy morbius is a joke. I gave him an invitation to debate with me regarding which is the true religion, Islam or Christianity. This was his answer to my invitation:

Problem is that I’m not what you might call a standard Christian. My opinions on those maters differ from the official dogmas of Christian church, so I might not be the best person for this kind of debate.

Than I answered him:

If you regard the Bible including New Testament as the basis for your religious beliefs than there is no problem.

But when I gave this solution to his problem he did not respond. It is obvious he is scared to come out in the open and debate with me. I completely understand his feeling, he knows deep down christianity will crumble to pieces before the light of the true religion (Islam). These christians are all the same, they always run away from any serious challenge, but they love to pick on and evangelize the ignorant and nonobservant Muslim who has little knowledge of the deen, especially the fundamental concept of tawheed. When Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) challenged some christians to dua-e-mubahala, they ran away, lol. A christian missionary cannot stand before a salafi muslim.

[Hajjaj]

Fortunately, it’s dying down.

My feeling is the collapse of morality in Christianity will never dye down. That is why Christian daughters are not horrified by the thought of prostitution. When the need comes to do it they do it. Just like a lot of things that used to be abhorrent with Christians is now done without a blink. When I was a boy a Christian woman would not have dreamed of showing you her upper thigh. Now if she thinks you are attractive she will bed you within an hour and a couple of drinks free of charge. This would be on Saturday night and on Sunday she will be at church no worse for wear. I have heard Christian men argue that they do not want a woman that is a virgin. That he would want his future wife to have as many sex partners as possible before him so that she would be good in bed. A Christian girl gets pregnant and she says "hey am not ready yet" and rips the baby from her womb and stomps on the head of it(with the help of her corner clinic of course). These are all Christians in good standing not outcasts. They are not sneaking around and doing this it is all permissible this week by next week the ever sliding scale of Christianity changes. What ever any Christian feels is permissible goes "don't judge him".

Notice I let the magic lamp remark slide. Making fun of someone because of their beliefs is an attack.

[anam]

This guy morbius is a joke. I gave him an invitation to debate with me regarding which is the true religion, Islam or Christianity. This was his answer to my invitation:



Than I answered him:



But when I gave this solution to his problem he did not respond. It is obvious he is scared to come out in the open and debate with me. I completely understand his feeling, he knows deep down christianity will crumble to pieces before the light of the true religion (Islam). These christians are all the same, they always run away from any serious challenge, but they love to pick on and evangelize the ignorant and nonobservant Muslim who has little knowledge of the deen, especially the fundamental concept of tawheed. When Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) challenged some christians to dua-e-mubahala, they ran away, lol. A christian missionary cannot stand before a salafi muslim.

Na'am akhee , never mind..he is following desires.

Examining Morality: Christianity or Islam?
http://www.examinethetruth.com/page_morale_01.htm

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=9549

[morbius]

This guy morbius is a joke. I gave him an invitation to debate with me regarding which is the true religion, Islam or Christianity.

I'm sorry Allah Diya, I completely forgot about you. Sure, debate is OK.

Sorry once again.