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By Umm (Umm) on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 05:03 pm: Edit
a sad day ikhwaan. I was invited to a close friend's house. Daughter Umm (4 yrs old) gets boycotted by the SP kids!!! She keeps saying "Mama, they won't play wth me. Mama, why won't the children play with me?" This really upset me! One of the mother's of one of these little brats gives me a fake smile (like when u grimace from toothache) when I say "Assalaamu Alaikum" and turns her back whenever she sees me approaching. No reply of course. Daughter Umm could've taught them that one replies to the salaam of a Muslim, Qutubi/Surooree or not. Alhamdulillah, the rest think i am a deviant, but coz we go way back, about 7 yrs, they like me too much to abandon me.
I gave them the da'wah about how wonderful the Taliban are Masha'Allah. The funniest was when I said that the Taliban went much further in implementing Shari'ah than Fahd (of course I said KING Fahd so they wouldn't start crying lol) ever did. Where to put their faces??? They were so gutted! I was the only Surooree in the midst of about 50 SP sisters, but I got my view across Masha'Allah to my closest friends out of them (about 4 of them) Still, 4 is better than nothing.
Daughter Umm is real sad! How can she be so deviant as to be worthy of boycotting at her age? I went over several times to check she wasn't imagining things. When she touched a balloon they shouted at her. Any other kid does the same thing, no-one minds. They run away when she approaches, and kids always play with her usually. Some are not even 5 years old, and already they have been taught to chant "Ana Salafi"! I wanted to give them such a pinch! (The kids that is!)
By bint mohammed (Bintaljazeeree) on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 09:09 pm: Edit
Wa aleikum Salam. Being Salafi myself, I of course do not agree wiht Hibz including Surooree, BUT I will listen to anybody who makes sense and then make up my own mind. But of course, some of my Sp ikhawn and ukhti think I belong to the new creed of ignorant and weak muslims (I have not said salafis here because they do not even consider me as a Salafi)who are led like lambs and of course, will become themselves deviants. Isn't it ironic really that I consider myself a Salafi and that the Salafis consider me as a misled sister?
The question is : Did not the Salafis now have done exactly what they were fighting against? Separate the Ummah?
Example: this other day I got a book from Jamaal Ud Deen Zarabozo (who I believed until last week was on the Salafi Manhaj)called "Friday Prayers". My sister who is truly on the Salafi manhaj said "Ya Ukhti, don't you know we do not take from him (Zarabozo)? He is a deviant and an ignorant and attacks the scholars." I was surprised and asked how and why and where did her information came from. I give you one guess on which site you can find a thirty odd pages treatese on the refutation of Jamal Ud-Deen Zarabozo on the Internet. Yes, he did hold a view contrary to my Shaykh Nasir Ud Deen Al-Albani but not in a disrespectuous way, I did not think so, he just said what he thought and I still feel that we have the right of saying what we think, and also, he does criticise the Muslim rulers (I wonder why, LOL) but it is not a reason to call him names . As far as I know, he is a good translator and always translate only books from reputable scholars. But now, he is out of the Sp's favour (and so will I if I carry on expressing my "ignorant and misled" views. ) I am sure now that I wont get invited much to Salafi halaqahs. So there you are, Ukhti. Maybe daughter Umm is better off > At least, she will have a freedom of speech later on (LOL).
By - on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:53 am: Edit
You're right, it is a sad day. When some repulse this kind of behaviour the orchestrators implement it harder. But it is my duty, your duty and ultimately the duty of the ummah to counteract it. I'm guessing you know people who affiliate themselves to that manhaj but they are a little more reluctant to carry the generalised characteristics. By that I mean the aggressive, seperationist mentality. There are good amongst them and there are the less so, Allah guide them!
Having said that i'm sure some of them would consider it offensive to make dua'a for their guidance.. but I mean it for them.. and for us all.
I'm not one for great advice, far from experienced in such matters and issues be I, I don't suggest you sever links with them, because that is adopting (a/ their) negative approach. It doesn't seem in the slightest that you are taking that approach anyway, but save for perseverance there is not much that you can do in this arena. If they choose to indoctrinate their kids with confused ideologies which they claim are islamic then that is unfortunate. A child learns a great deal in the tender years, but another form of influence could, inshaAllah, cause reform for the better. The external influence of the socialising by peer group phenomena. I know that they may very well disengage from all things not SP, but there is still hope in a toothless smile, be it of a 5 or 13 yr old.
Besides, as Sr Wafiah said, maybe it works out better for you and little umm!
I'm sure you don't want a child arguing over the narrative of one scholar taking precedent over the statement of another. The futility of it all is undebatable.. at least to some. Talking about them will not solve the crisis or crises, but awareness does give warning. I'm sure your da'wah work that you have passed onto them will come in handy inshaAllah so keep it up.
And JazakAllah khayr for the warning.
By abu sukr alqahwateni on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 05:01 pm: Edit
AssalamuAlaikum my sisters , SubhanAllah , HasbunAllah wa ni'wal'wakeel, this indeed is a sad state of affairs , when i read this it really hurt , you know why dont are brothers and sisters who claim to follow the salaf read the the book of Allah swt , where HE swt tells us not to be divided and be ruhhamaa baina kum ? have they not read these verses ?, sometimes i think they are more concerned with what shaikh A has to say about Shaikh B then reading and pondering about the great and magnifcient words of our creator the sustainer of the heavens and earths the giver of life and death the One who will judge us and ask about what we did in our lives , maybe our brothers and sisters who claim to follow the salaf are busy protecting this deen , but those who claim are many only those who know are few , maybe the little sweet girl was guilty by association , don't worry little sister you are associated to the greatest ummah , the ummah of Muhammad salla lailhi wassalam and indeed our father Ibrahim has named us muslimeen so be happy with that .
By bint mohammed (Bintaljazeeree) on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 04:50 pm: Edit
Assalamu aleikum. Exactly what I think. When I say I am a Salafi, I mean "I follow the Quran, the Sunnah and our Pious Predecessors", and I try to avoid Bidahs as much as I can and that I know about them, AlHamdullillah . I do not wish to segrate myself from my brothers and sisters. My knowledge is exxxtremely limited, but I know one thing for sure :WE ARE ONE UMMAH. UNITED, WE ARE STRONG. DIVIDED THE WAY WE ARE, THE DISBELIEVERS EAT US ALIVE, LITTERALLY AND THE JOKE IS ON OUR EXPENSE.
Just look at films and books see how Islam, the Muslims and most of the time, the Arabs are portrayed. Stupid, uneducated, with more money than brains. Subhanhu Allah, we used to be a great Ummah, how did we stoop so low? The kuffar used to pay tax to us, they used to fear the Muslims, not the opposite.
It is why I am against hizbs because they only divide the Ummah even more. But there is good and bad everywhere. If the Muslim could find a common ground and not fight for a Madhab, then maybe only can the Ummah be again great.
Alas, when it comes to little kids boycotting their little sister because she may not be of the same manhaj, it is really sad and it does not say much for the parents. Aren't we all Muslims? How can we give good Islamic example and manners when this happens?
I am calling to all parents who brainwash their kids about any madhabs and prevent them to talk to other little kids who are not on their madhab. If you read this, then RETURN TO AllAH, that you may be guided, and be ashamed of yourself. We are all brothers and sisters. Salafis, Hanbalis, Hanafis, Malikis , Shafis and others, as long as we do not promote Ahl us Bidah.
Did not our beloved Prophet Sallalahu Aleihi Wa Salam ordered us to spreat the Salam amongst us?
Then follow his order !!!
I rest my case.
By bint mohammed (Bintaljazeeree) on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 04:51 pm: Edit
NB> i meant "SPREAD The Salam".
By Abu Ishaq on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 07:17 pm: Edit
Assalamaualaykum, It sounds to me as if you people are saying.......... "Yes, I love you all... We are an Ummah United! I love all of you filthy rafidi shiaas, I love you when you curse the companions(!), I love you grave worshipers when you make Shirk With Allah Most High(!) When you associate partners with the Lord of the Worlds(!) Yes, My only wish is that we were more united and we loved in each others innovations even more(!) I love it when the modernist ikhwanis tries to subdue the sunnah as outdated and justifies using the great western principles of law(!) Alhamdulillah we are all Muslims under one Banner in One Lump... Lets all Unite and leave this segragation and spliting... We need to unite with each other despite our fundamental differances in Beleif and Action... So what if one of us believes Allah is everywhere, and Another one beleives Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with Him) is not Muslim, And another thinks my blood and wealth is Halal?! So what! We are all Brothers at the end of the day and we should all Love each Other, no matter what! Long Live Peace and Justice(!).................. Wait, I forgot to mention the only ones we should hate and separate from and also talk all day about and remind people about are those so called brothers from SP... I mean it's all their fault we as an ummah are split and have fallen into Shirk. And it is also their fault we have these 50 or so rulers around the world who they always defend. I mean this whole ummah is in a mess because of those 50 or so men and a couple of women. If only we could sort them out, then all our problems would be solved. We will be victorious again(!) Yes, Lets get rid of these 50 or so rulers and then everyone will start praying five times a day together in the mosque and we will all love each other. And we won't even consider fighting for the rulership, We are not Power seekers(!) and anyway, we would all be perfect rulers if Allah gave us that opportunity. I mean where do these 50 or so men come from anyway, they don't come from us, they put in by the CIA or somthing... We are all perfect muslims without miustakes thats why can justify our vicious attacks on the SP brothers, as they are always at fault. No more Criticising, except upon them. I love you all, especially you Shiaa Dogs and Mushrik Grave Worshipers"
By Abu Ilyas (Abuilyas) on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 07:52 pm: Edit
Abu Ishaq, no one is suggesting what you said! You get such nonsense from the SP lot, correct your preceptions ya akhee. No one on here has said he loves the shia or the breilwis..all that has been said is that muslims despite their differences should give salaam, not brainwash their innocent children with a 'them' and 'us' mentality.This is inn keeping with Islaam.To some brothers, any salafi who talks of uniting the ranks of the beleivers loves the ahl ul bidah!!How unjust you are Abu Ishaq..there is nothing in this thread to give you such a ludicrous idea.May Allah guide us All.
By bint mohammed (Bintaljazeeree) on Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:08 am: Edit
Assalamu Aleikum> How can we be united if we do not hear each others ? (in this instance, read each other!!!).
They are some Muslims who deviated but who are not out of the bonds of Islam and with guidance they will come back to the Sunnah Inshallah.. They do bidahs because they do not know any better. So, Ya Abu Ishaq, are you going to forsake these? Be charitable, O my brothers and sisters. It seems to me that nowadays, we look for others' faults and mistakes and criticism is the chief's special of the day!!! As for myself, I may be more tolerant than others, not because I am better, but because once upon a time, I followed Ahl us bidah.Aoudhou Billah! Because I did not know any better. This was the way I was brought up. Alhamdullillah, Allah placed on my path some nice Salafi sisters who did not give up on me (I wonder why, LOL). They showed me the way back to the Sunnah, by the grace of Allah Subhanhu Ta'ala. On the other hand, had they called me "filthy whatever", most probably I would have declared war on them!!!
For all of you who ,from the beginning, are on the right path, it may be easy to criticise and denigrate whoever is not, but you do not know their personnal stories or circumstancies. May Allah protect you from being away from the Sunnah. Ameen. May you never know the personnal wars that some of us had to fight in order to revert to the right path. Ameen. So, the next time you see a brother or a sister who is not doing what they are supposed to do, instead of labelling them directly Ahl us bidah,hisbee, Mutazilah and other names calling, try to find out more and at least try to talk to them in a nice way. Then you can decide if you think they are worthy of being "saved" or simply if they want to be. It is true that some people want to be Ahl us Bidah, but my opinion is that most of them do not know their religion properly. It is why we should not turn away from them without making dawah. As for those who clearly are out of the bonds of Islam, I leave them to Allah to decide of their fate.
And let's face it, Ya Abu Ishaq, we do have some pitiful rulers!!! The truth has to be said, whether you are a Salafi or not. The Shariah is implemented for the poor but not for the rich. In some Islamic countries, the kuffar is king and the muslim is the slave. But in some of these Islamic countries, our beloved Prophet Mohammed, Sallalahu Alayhi wa Salam, commended that all kuffars be expulsed. But they are in military forces there. How do you explain this the Salafi way, then? Come on, Ya Abu Ishaq and others who think like him. Open your eyes. Why because you are a Salafi can't you say the truth about rulers? It does not mean we are going to make a revolution, Allah Must'an!! Please, explain to me WHY. Look around you, Look at Tunisia and Turkey where women go to jail because they implement the Sunnah and they wear the hijab (Allah helps them if they have the niqaab!!!), look again at Tunisia where men go to jail for wearing the Islamic beard? Algeria, where you cannot go into work with your khamis and sarouel. Dubai, Egypt, etc... free mixing, alcohol and other despicable things.
Now, tell me why this cannot be mentioned by the Salafis? This is related to religion. All the brothers and sisters who had to flea their homeland because of their Islam,and they were tortured, raped, mutilated, to disagree with their government does it make them hisbees, ahl us bidah, khwarij ...?
Yes, let's be united as one big lump, as far as we are all sunni, and lets sort the differences out once we have sorted out all the Fislistin, Kashmiri, Afghani,gujarati and other problems. Once Islam is prevalent again, then the Salafi can fight the Suroorees, the HT can fight whoever they want and the rest. But first things first.
Please my Brother, answer back and enlighten a very confused, unknowledged Muslimah, who thinks she is a Salafiah but most probably is hisbiyyah!!! How is she supposed to raise her kids then?
By n-a on Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 01:47 am: Edit
speculative nonesense... irony intended or not.
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By Umm (Umm) on Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 04:42 pm: Edit
pls clarify your statement.
By Abu Abu Ishaaq on Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 02:19 pm: Edit
Abu Ishaq from the followers of Yusuf Adam are all Imams in Jahl - truely speaking without any exaggeration. I have never seen a people more idiot than them, more stupid than the Shi'a, in spite of being more guided than them!
I heard the other day Yusuf Adam was teaching Usool al-Fiqh in Regent Park Mosque - the man does not even know Arabic, nor Aqeeda, nor Fiqh, let alone Usool al-Fiqh. And the guy has only been a Muslim for about 5-6 years? This really makes me laugh! (Or cry?)
By n-a on Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 09:02 pm: Edit
i was referring to Abu Ishaq's comments
By Umm (Umm) on Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 09:13 pm: Edit
Im glad I asked!! I thought u may have meant my story!!!
By bint mohammed (Bintaljazeeree) on Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 11:52 am: Edit
assalamu aleikum Bros & Sis, here is an interesting articlemaybe we should all learn from it - me included!)
Dealing With Common Disputes
The following article is a response to the too often occuring phenomenon of Muslims disputing between one another or unjustifiably accusing one another of sins and deviations. This sad occurrence, that ideally should not happen between brethren, has many causes. Sometimes the matter in question and the actions taken by one party or another can reach the level of sheer enmity and has lead to major rifts and caused great confusion among Muslims and those who should be assisting one another in righteousness and piety are instead at each others throats! Please take note of the actual examples and practical measures brought forth by the author and may Allah protect us from the regrettable situations described and help us to overcome them in the event of their occurrence, ameen. A close look is being taken in the situation where a Muslim accuses another of not respecting the great scholars of Islam. - Ed.
How Should Muslims Treat Differing Opinions Among the Major Scholars of Ahlus-Sunnah?
We as Muslims are obligated to follow what we think and feel is correct, based upon the evidences of the Qur'aan and Sunnah. It doesn't mean that we show disrespect for any scholars or curse them if we do not agree with every single opinion of theirs. It is not allowed for the student of knowledge to do blind taqleed (blind and unquestioned following) in matters that he can research and see the evidences of both sides. One should however be qualified - in general in basic matters of the Islamic sciences - to read what the scholars say about an issue, and then do ijtihaad based on what they said and choose an opinion amongst their opinions. This is basically the ijtihaad that a student of knowledge is capable of.
Never should such a student willingly or intentionally speak in a derogatory manner about any great scholar, or try to denigrate his status. A student of knowledge should express nothing but love and respect for the 'ulamaa. It is important that we take from ALL the major scholars in our times, such as Sh. Ibn Baaz, Sh. Al-Albaani, and Sh. Ibn Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy upon their souls) etc, and that we do not let differences of fiqh - or other differences - that exist between these scholars become differences amongst our hearts, and cause us to look down upon one another. If someone wishes to follows one particular opinion from one scholar, then that is fine, but let him not consider someone who opposes this particular opinion to be a deviant, especially when the major scholars themselves do not do so. How many points did Sh. Al-Albani and Sh. Ibn Baaz (rahimahumallah) differ in, yet did any of these points cause one of them to look down upon the other and consider him to be weak or deviated? No. Rather, there was nothing but love and respect between these two great scholars of the da'wah as-salafiyyah (the call to the way of the pious previous generations of the Muslims), and we should all learn from them in this.
What To Do In The Face Of Accusations
It is important that when we hear something about someone, we check it and verify that it is true, in accordance with the statement of Allaah, "If a faasiq comes to you, then confirm (what he says)..." [Al-Hujuraat]. Likewise, when a wife came to the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and complained that her husband did not pray Fajr, and beat her when she prayed, and forced her to break her fast, the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) called him and confirmed what she said. When the husband explained these three points (which outwardly appear to be major sins, if not bordering on kufr) to the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) agreed with him and excused him. (Al-Bukhaari)
Also, when Abdullaah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas (radiallahu 'anhumaa) said, "I will fast every day as long as I live, and pray every night as long as I live" and this news reached the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), he called for him, and asked him, "Did you say this and this?" And he replied, "Yes, may my mother and father be your ransom...(the hadeeth continues...)" (Al-Bukhaari) The point is that it is imperative that the Muslim not believe everything he hears, especially when it involves the honor, or even greater - the aqeedah and manhaj - of his brother Muslim. The Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, "It is sufficient for a person to be a liar if he spreads everything he hears."
It is also important that, after he has confirmed whether something is true or not, he find out WHY that person did or said what he did. This is proven in the hadeeth of Haatib ibn Abee Balta'ah (radiallaahu 'anhu), who sent a letter to the Mushrikeen warning them that the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) planned to attack them. Outwardly, this is clear and open treachery; the penalty for this should be immediate death! Yet, when the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) called him, he asked him, "Why did you do what you did!" When Haatib explained why, the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, "You have spoken the truth! No one should say anything except good about him." (Al-Bukhaari) So, if a brother gives you a valid excuse for doing what he did, you should accept it from him.
An Important Rule To Apply When Making Judgements
I would like to bring to your attention one simple rule from the sciences of jarh wa tadeel (declaring someone to be weak or strong in narrating hadeeth; and by extension, in his aqeedah or manhaj). Al-Haafidh Adh-Dhahabi said, "Most of what is narrated from contemporaries about one another [i.e., people from the same place and level] deserves to be rejected and thrown away, nor should it be narrated, nor should it be taken into account as defamation (against him). Rather, the person should be treated fairly and justly." Likewise, Al-Haafidh Ibn Hajr said, "A lot of times, there occurs between contemporaries differences (amongst themselves)...so,in all such cases, it is important that we be cautious and consider (all of these factors)." Basically, the general rule is that if two people do not get along with each other, and there is a strong reason to believe that it is based on something personal between them (for example, they are in the same city and have relatively same status), then in this case, if other people do not agree with his verdict, it is not allowed to take from him in this.
The examples of this are many: Imaam Al-Bukhaari and Imam Adh-Dhuhali, both Imaams of Ahl as-Sunnah, fell into great differences, so much so that Adh-Dhuhali was the cause of Al-Bukhaari getting kicked out of his city. He declared Al-Bukhaari to be a deviant mubtadi' (innovator) in his 'aqeedah! Yet, we do not take this ruling from him, and consider both of these people to be great scholars in their particular fields. Likewise, there occurred some harsh words between Imam Yahya ibn Ma'een and Imaam Ash-Shafi'ee, but we do not take sides between these two great scholars, and ignore what each of them had to say about the other. In another example, there occurred a lot of friction between Imaam Maalik and Muhammad ibn Ishaaq (the most famous author of the seerah), to such an extent that Imaam Maalik - keep in mind who he is in knowledge and status - declared Ibn Ishaaq to be a Dajjaal amongst the Dajjaals!!! However, we do not take this particular ruling from him, since there is a strong possibility that Shaytaan caused some rift between them, and we find that the other scholars did not agree with Imaam Maalik in this case. In yet another example, the differences between Aboo Nu`aym and Ibn Mandah - both of whom are famous authors and scholars amongst the scholars of Ahlus-Sunnah - reached such a level that it almost broke out into a physical fight! Yet, once again, it is not proper that we quote this incident as a means to show disrespect to any one of these two figures.
In all of these instances, we do not take the statements of these Imaams concerning their contemporaries for two simple reasons:
1) We find that those who knew them better did not agree with these rulings
2) There is a strong possibility that Shaytaan caused some type of personal friction and problem between them, so we leave these words between them.
This does not lessen the status of the Imaam that we did not take from; rather, it proves that they are only human!
An Evil Scenario
There have been instances where one person sets out to cast blame upon another among the people. At the same time, instead of approaching the one with who he has a dispute or contention with in a brotherly fashion to deal with the matter, such a person outwardly maintains a 'friendly' disposition, giving salaams to the one he really has a problem with, talking with him, etc. apparently ignoring the very wrong that he accuses the person of! He never once at an early stage (when things could likely be solved), comes and gives advice directly to the other person, or cautions about the supposed deviancies etc. However, what needs to be done, is that he immediately contact this person and try to give him naseehah (advice) in a polite manner (this is the general rule; the only time naseehah should be given in public is if the person is spreading incorrect ideas in public). If he ignores going to the person, and instead starts backbiting about him, then in such circumstances the Shaytaan causes a rift between the two. The one may stop giving salaams to the other and even start spreading that the other is a deviant. It may even go to the extent that he or she goes to colleagues of the other, calls up his or her acquaintances and spreads lies amongst people that the other hardly knows. Another surprising thing is that when a person will NEVER ONCE warn the closest of the other's friends about these supposed deviances. Instead, they only go to people that do not know one other well.
If you believe a person to be a deviant, then the first people that you should approach are his close friends and relatives, so that they may be able to address and correct the situation or not be taken in by him. Surely one should never go to anyone with such a serious charge without clear cut and indisputable evidence to subtantiate it.
To conclude, we live in a time of fitnah. One does not like to bring up these points, nor wish to talk about differences. Each and every one of us needs to be spending his time in a much more wiser and useful manner than defending themselves from dispute. Speech made to show the shortcomings of another causes nothing but hardness of the heart, and no one benefits more than Shaytaan when he sees the Muslims who agree on the correct beliefs and way according to the Sunnah and the pious predecessors (as-Salaf) themselves - especially the students of knowledge - attack and defame each other.
It was our hope that inshaa Allaah we could say a word to help prevent and stop the fitnah of false accusation and blaming one another and not allow Muslims to waste their time in such matters any more. Lastly, one should not necessarily consider the person that spreads rumors about him to be a deviant; rather, one should pray that Allaah guides him and removes whatever is in his heart against his brother or sister. Often such a person may have great potential for dda'wah
We sincerely pray that we will be amongst those concerning whom Allaah says of in the Qur'aan: "And We (will) remove whatever is in their hearts of hatred (for each other); (they will be like) brothers, upon couches, reclining and facing each other."
Wa Aakhira da'waana anil hamdulillaahi Rabbil aalameen
The author is a student at the Islamic University of Madinah
By Abu Abbas on Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 03:41 pm: Edit
May Allah Guide you Abu Ishaaq along with all of us. You are extremely rude and even if you are conveying the truth, your arrogance and stubborness will turn people away from you. Open your eyes a bit and see the other side of the story, and maybe if you abandon your Taqleed of "The trustworthy people who are known for their Jarh" (namely Abu Khadeejah, Abu Talha etc.)whome you consider scholars, then you will realise how they are nothing but lying, slanderers and spread alot of Fitnah, and preocupy people with things which be of no benefit to them in the hearafter.
By Fahad on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 11:43 am: Edit
Wallahi things like these really make someone laugh at ISLAM and muslims.Some people wallahi they dont know even how 2 explain the situation they think these is JERRY SPRINGER SHOW THE YAHUD.This is are Islamic issues not just them issue you can just give a blind opinion.Brother Ishaq the way that you gve your opinions its so ashaming u seem to be 2 prod like critising others and especially sheks saying they dont know any Arabic or some sorts of words.Thats not the teaching of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W),even if you want to say something regarding others u shuldnt mention there name and wat r u doing at the moment and can you wat the shekh Yusuf Adam at least hes doing something rather than cristiing you do wat he does and ifu think hes wriong you shuld tell him and let him give you wat he has.Salafi its just a name used to describe followers in sunnah its not a madhab or anything new.Please wake up n see wats around you before you say something blindly.If you have anything regarding salafis this site will help you clear everything [DELETED]
InshAllah Allah wil give us wats right for us and unite us and give victory with kuffars ,Amin!!!
If u have dougt stil on salafi they is are discussion in this site called SALAFI Vs The REST.
Urs Brother Fahd.(Abu Feisal)
By Umm on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 01:08 pm: Edit
I forgot to thank brother - for their beneficial naseehah, so jazakullah khairan.
These people, they are a waste of space. I haven't the time to investigate who is on/off their hit-list, and it seems to change almost every month anyway.
To me, I find it ajeeb to say the least that these little SPs in the making are taught to boycott the children of "suroorees", yet the children of their own relatives, who practice all kinds of bid'ah, are not boycotted!
When you see their pathetic web-site, how there are 29 refuations (last time I looked, perhaps that figure has doubled by now!) of the Surooree/Qutubis, yet 0 on the heretical groups e.g. Nation of Islam, the Qaidanis etc.
What a sense of priority!
I think it is poetic justice that they got searched as potential "terrorists" at the latest Conference, when they are the very ones who authorized spying on fellow Muslims and handing their detail over to the Kuffar.
By Allahs Warrior on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 07:56 am: Edit
Asalaamalaikum wr wb
Dear Brothers and sisters, after all this debate I feel it neccesary to point the Daleel with regards to UNITY and with whom is this Unity defined from the Quran and the Sunnah...
For Muslims to enter Paradise what is necessary is correct a’qeedah founded upon pure tawheed and basing ones thoughts, emotions and actions upon that. Similarly, in order to change the present humiliated situation of the Muslim Ummah into an honourable and victorious situation, a correct analysis of the problem must be made from the roots. Tawheed is the foundation and motivation for Islam and if there are problems in the branches then we must straight away look to our roots to see if the problem lies there, Allah (swt) says "See you not how Allah sets forth a parable? A goodly word, as a goodly tree, whose root is firmly fixed and its branches (reach) to the sky. Giving its fruit at all times by the permission of its Lord and Allah sets forth parables for mankind in order that they may remember. And the parable of an evil word is that of an evil tree uprooted from the surface of earth having no stability. Allah will keep firm those who believe with the word that stands firm in this world and in the hereafter and Allah will cause to go astray those who are the zaalimoon." (Ibraheem 14:24-27)
The main obstacle in the path of revival for the Muslim Ummah is failing to recognise the most common shirk of our time. Along with the failure to recognise that shirk follow all the problems associated with it. The shirk of groups of oppressors adopting the right of legislating and commanding the people to obey them in these laws in opposition to Allah is the poison that is ruining the trunk and branches of Islam and Muslims. The true scholars are being killed, imprisoned and tortured while the people are referring to those who have sold their deen for the life of this world, we warn these evil scholars of the following hadeeth, Buraydah reported that Nabi (saw) said "There are three types of qaadis (judges) one who will go to paradise and the other two who will go to Hell. The one who goes to paradise is the one who knows the truth and judges according to it. The man who knows the truth and does not judge accordingly will go to Hell and the man without knowledge who makes judgement for people will go to Hell." (ABU DAWOOD [no.3566] NASAA’I, IBN MAAJAH, TIRMIDHI graded Saheeh by AL HAAKIM) and we remind these traitors of the words of Allah (swt) "And among men is he who disputes about Allah, without knowledge or guidance or a Book giving light. Bending and twisting and leading (others) astray from the Path of Allah. For Him there is disgrace in this worldly life and on the Day of Resurrection We shall make him taste the torment of burning." (al Hajj 22:8-9) and we remind the Muslims of the words of Nabi (saw) A’bdullah ibn A’mru ibn al A’ss reported that Nabi (saw) said "Verily, Allah will not destroy knowledge by snatching it away from his slaves but he will destroy knowledge by taking away the lives of the u’lemaa' until there will not even remain a single a’lim, people will then take the illiterate as leaders. They will be questioned and they will give judgement [fataawa] without knowledge. They will go astray and will lead others astray." (BUKHAARI, MUSLIM)
Despite the efforts of government scholars to confuse the masses of the Muslims in the pillars of tawheed, it is known from the deen by necessity that it is the right of Allah alone to legislate and decide what is right and wrong and it is Allah who tells people how to live their lives. Indeed this is the whole nature of this life, we are here to worship Allah in belief and actions and this means that we must recognise and believe in the names, attributes, acts and rights of Allah (swt) and then we must direct all obedience to Allah by obeying the laws of Allah alone. "I have not created the Jinn and mankind except for my worship" (adh Dhaariyaat 51:56) So this verse proved that we are only to worship Allah and worship includes obeying the laws of Allah. Similarly we say in our salah "You alone we worship…" (al Faatihah 1:4) This again proves that we must obey Allah alone. There is no doubt that legislating independent from Allah whether one believes in its permissibility or not, is an act of shirk which takes one out of Islam "…The rule is for none but Allah. He has commanded that you worship none but Him, that is the Straight Deen but most men know not." (Yusuf 12:40) and "And He makes none share in His decision and rule (hukm)" (Al-Kahf 18:26) and "And in whatsoever you differ the Hukm thereof is with Allah…" (ash Shoora 42:10) "And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you and do not follow their vain desires away from the truth which came to you." (al Maai’dah 5:48) and "Or do they have partners with Allah to legislate for them in the deen what Allah does not allow" (ash Shoora 42:21) and "And eat not of that on which the name of Allah is not pronounced, for surely that is fisq (an act of disobedience). And verily the Shayaateen inspire their friends (from mankind) to argue with you. And if you obey them then you would indeed be mushrikoon" (Al-An’am 6:121) So there is no doubt that both legislating and recognising and submitting to that legislation is shirk as legislation is a right of Allah.
If someone was to say ‘Worship me and obey me in everything, and I know it is kufr’ this would not prevent the person from being a kaafir, just because he realised it was kufr. This is because it is a kufr act and if a kufr act is performed deliberately then the person goes out of Islam, even if he does not believe in the permissibility of his act. This is because imaan is declaration with the tongue, belief in the heart and action. Therefore kufr is also by belief, speech and actions and submission to the laws of Allah is a condition of tawheed. This means the one who does not at all submit to Allah but submits to other than Allah is a kaafir, Allah (swt) says "And whoever submits his face to Allah and acts rightly then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold…" (Luqmaan 31:22) As for those wicked scholars who have confused some of the Muslims, they have made equal the one who commands to a sin and the one who legislates and they are obviously not the same. Commanding to a sin is when one asks other people in a particular situation to disobey Allah, if they obey this command they are sinful, unless they fear death in which case this is ikraah (compulsion), Allah (swt) says "He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest while on account of imaan, but such as open their breasts to disbelief on them is anger from Allah and theirs will be a great torment." (an Nahl 16:106) If they think they must obey him then this is kufr as it falls under the following ayah and hadeeth Adi bin Haatim said that he heard Nabi (saw) recite the verse "They took their rabbis and their priests to be lords besides Allah and the messiah Ibn Maryam, while they were commanded to worship none but one ilaah, laa ilaha illa huwa. Praise and Glory be to Him from having the partners they associate." (at Tawbah 9:31) So I said to him (saw) ‘Verily, we did not worship them’ to which he (saw) replied, "Did they not make haraam what Allah made halaal, so you then made it haraam. And did they not make halaal what Allah made haraam and you therefore made it halaal?" I said ‘Yes’ He (saw) said, "That is worshipping them." (AHMAD, TIRMIDHI) However, the one who adopts legislation is not the one who just commands to one sin but he is the one who starts to make laws that are to be followed by the people and this is shirk even if his laws happen to agree with Islamic laws, this is because he did not intend to serve Allah by those laws.
Any other legitimate obedience is in reality still only obedience to Allah because the conditions of obeying other than Allah are that: -
We can only obey a person whom Allah commanded us to obey such as the khaleefah, the husband, parents etc. This is proven by the fact that whenever Allah mentioned obedience to other than himself He (swt) always connected that obedience to tawheed or to shari’ah or He (swt) mentioned Himself to be obeyed first e.g. "…Worship none but Allah and be dutiful to parents…" (al Baqarah 2:83) and "And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him and that you be dutiful to your parents…" (al Israa’ 17:23) and "And We have enjoined on man to be good and dutiful to parents but if they strive to make you join with Me anything of which you have no knowledge then obey them not. Unto Me is your return and I shall tell you what you used to do." (al A’nkaboot 29:8) This principle was even applied to the messenger (saw) as well, "And whoso obeys Allah and the messenger then they will be in the company of those whom Allah has bestowed His Grace…" (an Nisaa’ 4:69) and "And whoso disobeys Allah and His messenger and transgresses His limits He will cast him into the Fire to abide therein and he shall have an awful torment." (an Nisaa’ 4:14) In many ayaat the subservience of the Prophet (saw) to the authority and command of Allah was made clear, Allah (swt) says and "O prophet! Have taqwa of Allah and obey not the disbelievers and the hypocrites…" (al Ahzaab 33:1) and additionally, obedience to Nabi (saw) is without restriction due to the fact that a prophet is only acting on revelation from Allah and everything that he commands to has been inspired by Allah this is confirmed by the ayah "He who obeys the messenger has indeed obeyed Allah…" (an Nisaa’ 4:80) and Nabi (saw) said "Whoever obeys me obeys Allah and whoever disobeys me disobeys Allah and whoever obeys the ameer he obeys me and whoever disobeys the ameer disobeys me." (BUKHAARI kitaabul Ahkaam [vol.9 no.251] MUSLIM kitaabul Imaarah [no.) and Al Haarith al Asha’ri reported that Nabi (saw) said "I command you with five which Allah commanded me with: Listening and obeying, jihaad and hijrah and the Jama’ah for he who leaves the jama’ah by a handsbreadth, then he has thrown off the yoke of Islam from his neck." (AHMAD[4/130, 202] AT-TAYAALISI  IBN HIBBAAN  IBN KHUZAYMAH  AL-HAAKIM [1/236]) In these last two hadeeth the obedience to the u’maraa or khulafaa’ were placed within the obedience to Nabi (saw) and the obedience to Nabi (saw) was placed within the obedience to Allah and this is clear from the ayah "O you who believe! Obey Allah obey the messenger and those in authority amongst you and if you differ in anything between yourselves then refer it back to Allah and His messenger if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination." (an Nisa 4:59) So in all of these ayaat and ahadeeth and many others, the obedience to other than Allah was restricted to those specific people whom Allah had mentioned.
We can only obey the command which is in agreement with the laws of Allah and the principles of Islam, A’li reported that Nabi (saw) said "…There is no obedience in disobedience (to Allah). Obedience is in Ma’roof." (MUSLIM kitaabul Imaarah [no.4536], BUKHAARI [Eng vers. Vol. 9 no.259]) and its reported by Nawaas bin Sama’aan that Nabi (saw) said "There is no obedience to the creation in disobedience to the Creator." (BAGHAWI in ‘Sharhus Sunnah’ [10/44] AHMAD, AL HAAKIM)
We must only obey them in order to worship Allah and we must not obey them outside of the aim of worshipping Allah, "Say: My prayer, my service of sacrifice, my living and my dying are all for Allah the Lord of the worlds." (al Ana’m 6:162) and Allah (swt) says "And whoever seeks a deen other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers." (aali I’mraan 3:85)If these three conditions were not present then our obedience to such people could be shirk or could be haraam depending upon the circumstances. If it was obeying a sin then it would be haraam to obey that, however if the obedience to people was totally disconnected from obedience to Allah so that the general aim to obey Allah did not exist in the person then this would become Shirk in obedience and would exclude the person from Islam even if the one being obeyed was a parent or the khaleefah and their command outwardly agreed with Islam. Similarly, the one who obeys the kaafir who has adopted the right of legislation for himself, and the one obeying him does so because of the belief in obeying him, then he has committed shirk in obedience even if the command outwardly agreed with Islam.
In summary failing to reject the rulers as kuffaar is an obstacle to revival for the following reasons of a’qeedah and shari’ah: -
1 Failure to recognise shirk. This is an error in tawheed of recognition (tawheedul i’lmi), this would also lead to error in tawheedul a’mali (tawheed of action). The first step to wrong action is failing to recognising that it is wrong. Allah (swt) said "So know laa ilaaha ill Allah…" (Muhammad 47:19) Knowledge is the first condition of the shahaadah and this means that understanding tawheed is a matter of affirming tawheed and of rejecting shirk.
2 There is a tremendous difference between haraam and kufr. Kufr takes one out of the fold of Islam while haraam actions can be forgiven by Allah. Shirk is never forgiven as Allah (swt) says "Verily Allah does not forgive shirk with Him but He forgives other than that to whom He pleases, and whoever does shirk with Allah then he has invented a tremendous sin [ithman a’zeeman]" (an Nisaa’ 4:48) Thus it would be a calamity to belittle the ayaat of Allah by declaring the mushrik as a Muslim.
3 All actions of the mushrik are invalid. The one who submitted to the taaghoot in the form of giving full allegiance and obedience to the present false leaders, judges and legislative institutions would become a mushrik for accepting the taaghoot and committing shirkut Taa’ah (associating partners with Allah in obedience) this would mean that all his actions would become invalid even if they resembled Islam outwardly. Allah (swt) says "And indeed it has been revealed to you as it was to those before you [saying]: 'If you commit shirk with Allah, surely your deeds will be in vain and you will certainly be amongst the losers'." (az Zumar 39:65)
4 The prohibition for Muslims to be under the control and authority of those who are mushrikeen, such as the tawaagheet. The Muslims must not recognise their authority nor must they obey them. Allah says "Allah will never allow the kafiroon to have a way over the mu’minoon" (an Nisa 4:140) and "And obey not the disbelievers and the hypocrites…" (al Ahzaab 33:48) and "If you obey most of those on earth they would mislead you far from Allah’s way" (al An’am 6:116) and "O you who believe! If you obey the disbelievers they will drive you back on your heels and you will turn back (from Islam) to your own loss." (aali I’mraan 3:149)
5 The relations are severed with the mushrik. The tyrant rulers are not Muslim and thus the relationship with them must change. The mushrik can not be married, "…And do not marry (your girls) to mushrik men until they believe for a believing slave is better than a mushrik even though you may admire him. They invite you to the Fire, but Allah invites you to the garden…" (al Baqarah 2:221) The mushrik can not inherit nor can he be inherited from, and it is haraam for him to be in charge of the public wealth of the Muslim ummah Usamah bin Zayd reports that Nabi (saw) said "A Muslim does not inherit from a kaafir nor a kaafir from a Muslim." (BUKHAARI, MUSLIM) The mushrik can not be prayed behind, nor can his death be prayed over and neither can he be buried with the Muslims.Therefore this tremendously effects the economic system and the social system of an Islamic society.
6 Recognising the authority, judgement and legislation of the tawaagheet takes a person out of Islam. Allah (swt) says "Have you seen those who claim to believe in that which has been sent down to you and to that which was sent down before you and they wish to go to judgement to the taaghoot while they have been commanded to reject them. But shaytaan wishes to lead them far astray. And when it is said to them ‘Come to what Allah has sent down and the messenger’ you see the munaafiqeen turn away from you with aversion." (an Nisaa’ 4:60-61) and Allah (swt) says "But no by your Lord, they can have no imaan until they make you judge in all disputes among them and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions and accept them with fullest submission." (an Nisaa’ 4:65) So this negates the imaan of the one who rejects the judgement of Quran and Sunnah and so this ayah proves the kufr of those who legislate in contradiction to Islam as well as those who refer to these tawaagheet (invalid legislators, judges etc) for judgement.
7 Legitimising and accepting the zulm and shirk of the false rulers leads to punishment from Allah in this life and not revival Allah (swt) says "And incline not towards those who oppress lest the Fire should touch you and you have no protectors [awliyaa’]other than Allah and nor would you then be helped." (Hood 11:113) This is a great warning for the government scholars who justify the oppression of the oppressors. We must reject all forms of oppression if we want to gain the protection and help of Allah and the greatest oppression is shirk. If we were to pray and fast but tolerate shirk of man-made legislation then this would put us under the judgement of the following ayah "…Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in and do ye reject the rest? But what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life? and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do." (al Baqarah 2:85)
8 Allah will not change our situation until we change our a’qeedah and our actions. Allah will not give us victory until we recognise His rights and reject those who illegitimately adopt them, Allah (swt) says "…Verily, Allah will not change the condition of a people unless they change themselves. But when Allah wills a people’s punishment there can be no turning back and they will find besides Him no protector." (ar Ra’d 13:11) and "Similar to the behaviour of the people of Fira’wn and of those before them they rejected the ayaat of Allah so Allah punished them for their sins. Verily Allah is Strong, Severe in Punishment. That is so because Allah will never change a grace which He has bestowed on a people until they change what is in their ownselves. And Verily Allah is Sami’un A’leem." (al Anfaal 8:52-53)
Walaikumasalaam wr wb
By safoora on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 03:25 pm: Edit
how can we expect to fight against any kafir when we cant even have unity amongst muslims?
umm i feel sorry for you.. i have to say a few of my friends may be salafis but i couldnt really tell you who. that is because it is never discussed amongst us. we are all msulims going along the same path, thats all that matters.
as for those mothers if i were in your position i would have told em a thing or to. i also feel sorry for that poor little child.!
at that age they should only have to worry about waking up for school and if their bikes are working properly!
By Umm on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 07:10 am: Edit
Don't worry about her sis, she has better things to think about than these misguided people.
It is so true what you say about disunity. Actually once my dughter and I were discussing this point when she telling me that she knows why the kuffar wouldn't like the videos such as "Jaheem Roos" etc. "I know why! It's because they don't like to see themselves dead in it!" she declared. When I thought later about her statement [at the time I was rushing her to finish her cereal and go to school], in conjuncion with other observations she has made in the past, I realised two things.
1) She has understood that the Kuffr try to hide the fact that the Mujaahideen are making a victory, and do not want the world to see their dead. However, so many Muslims naively beleive the media that the US etc hardly suffer any losses.
2) She expects that when a kaafir soldier is killed, the rest of the kuffar FEEL that loss and it enrages them. This might only be for a few seconds as they read he was "A kind father, a wonderful husband, loving son" etc etc, but they do feel it. However, I wondered how many Muslims really do feel the pain of our fellow Muslims being slaughtered in Afghanistan etc, or is it just "Oh well, if they were SALAFI, Allah would give them victory."
You might not find it surprising sis, that these SAME sisters [SP] ones, I once showed them a powerpoint presentation of Palestinian children. One picture of little Iman Hoja [I think 4 months old] and shot in the chest, and Sara [about 2 years old] and shot in the head, were very hard to see. My own children were that kinda age then, so obviously one sees the contrast in how our children have food, clothes and can sleep without their parents worrying about our area undergoing curfews and bombs.
The SP sisters...they looked dispassionately [and I think they were bored too] and then one of them says "Oh well. These people, they are fighting for their land anyway."
Never mind the fact that she does not know the intention of every Palestinian. Forgetting the fact that in Islam you can die shaheed defending your property, and the Palestinian, a lot might be nationalistic, so many fight as they want to defend al-Aqsa. What struck me was their utter indifference to these small children so horribly brutalised. I could hardly speak. They then went on to patronisingly explain to me that "Umm [obviously they used my real name and not Umm], We dont take our deen from emotions".
I know I was once a follower of the Sps, but alhamdulillah, I never felt this apathy they they do, because a "Non-Salafi" has been killed.
Yet they ask for money for their ahl-ul-bidah relatives who need an operation, as it is "good for da'wah"!
May our hearts never be dead to the suffering in the Ummah, to our little ones, to our violated sisters, to our tortured and imprisoned Mujahidin. Ameen.
By Umm on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 07:22 am: Edit
sorry, a clarification: I meant above that although many Palestinians might be nationalistic, there are also so many that are fighting to defend al-Aqsa, and that is NOT nationalism. It is defending the deen of Islaam from being desecrated.
By UmmuSuraqah on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 01:15 pm: Edit
As Salaamu aleykum wa rahmatulLaah
I think the best thing one can do for her imaan, her mental health etc. is to leave these sp ppl alone ...."out of sight, out of mind".
Still we should not let our emotions to get over us... We should not start to hate the word "salaf" just because these ppl call themselves salafis.
Just a piece of my thoughts.
By Umm on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:15 am: Edit
Well, I am a surooree to them, so that is what I call myself.
Also, if you want to see "emotional", say to them "Who says Rabee' is a scholar?"
And watch the avalanche begin..
By Somebody on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:46 am: Edit
Don't worry sis Umm, put your trust in Allaah, and we should all pray to Allaah that, May Allaah guide them and us
I was wondering if you hosted the site www.islam-qa.com?
Jazzaak Allaah Khair
Waiting for your reply
By Umm on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:14 pm: Edit
wa alaikum salaam,
No, I don't host sites, but islam-qa.com is just one of my favourite sites to read. Do you mind if I ask why you thought that I hosted it?
By Somebody on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:21 am: Edit
Wa alaikum salaam, no I don't mind, its because your home page URL was that website that's all, so I thought it was your 'homepage'!
By Umm on Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 06:12 am: Edit
Well, in internet explorer, under Tools>Internet Options
it asks you which page to first display when you open the browser, and that is called "your homepage". It IS confusing, as when people have their own [usually geocities freebie] site it is also called their "homepage".
By Raafi on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 10:49 am: Edit
i just wanted to add my two cents
its sad that muslims who accuse others of hizbiyyah are the most guilty of it
reminds me of a hadith where if you call a muslim a name, the angels carry it, looking for truth and if they dont find it, it becomes you
By Abu Abder Rahman on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 05:00 pm: Edit
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
I have a few things to share regarding the sister umm (umm)'s inital post, may Allah guide her and all of us. ameen.
"One of the mother's of one of these little brats gives me a fake smile (like when u grimace from toothache) when I say "Assalaamu Alaikum" and turns her back whenever she sees me approaching. No reply of course."
I have to say, subhanallaah, sister if you are indeed muta'siba for one/some of the deviant callers or you are truly upon hizbiyyah, then this sisters fell short in applying what the Salaf of this Ummah were upon. Rather the Salaf would never smile in the face of Ahlul Biddah, and I beleive it was Ibn Umar (radiallahu 'an) who saw one from amongst Ahlul Biddah and he covered his face with his hands. As far as not returning the salams, mashallaah because this can be difficult when dealing with Ahlul Biddh who have some connection with you, such as family and former friends.
"one replies to the salaam of a Muslim, Qutubi/Surooree or not"
This shows, barakallahu fiki, may Allah guide you, that you are unaware of the methodology of Ahlus Sunnah when dealing with the Mukhalifeen. Imam Maalik said How evil are Ahlul Biddah, we dont even give them salams.
"Alhamdulillah, the rest think i am a deviant, but coz we go way back, about 7 yrs, they like me too much to abandon me."
Iyadhu billah, this shows two things, one: that the sisters are allowing their desires to come in between them and the correct Walaa and Baraa based upon the Sunnah, and two: it also makes one wonder if you have been opposing the way of the Salaf for many years now.
"I gave them the da'wah about how wonderful the Taliban are Masha'Allah. The funniest was when I said that the Taliban went much further in implementing Shari'ah than Fahd (of course I said KING Fahd so they wouldn't start crying lol) ever did."
Subhanallah, may Allah guide us all...ameen yah rab. First this shows that you are either ignorant of the Baatil aqeedah of the deobandee Taliban, or your Walaa and Bara is not based upon the Quran and Sunna but rather some other criteria. How can you give Ta'deel to those who are upon maturudiyyah aqeedah, as well as being muqallid hanafees. Saudia Arabia was established on the Dawah il tawheed of Muhammad ibn abdul wahab. It has always propogated the aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah, unlike the Aqeedah of the Taliban which is from the soofiyyah. Further more, look at what Allaah granted as far as istiqamah to the kingdom of suadia, and look at what "long lastinging benefits" have come from the activities of the Taliban. May Allah correct their affairs as well as ours ameen. May Allaah make the rulers of Saudi upright, ameen.
"I was the only Surooree in the midst of about 50 SP sisters, but I got my view across Masha'Allah to my closest friends out of them (about 4 of them) Still, 4 is better than nothing. "
Subhanallah, may Allaah nullify your harm upon those sisters as well as others. Really it seems that they should make a swift and proper hajr from a self styled suroori such as yourself, and Allaah is the best of knowers.
"How can she be so deviant as to be worthy of boycotting at her age?"
Again, another example of the far reaching harm, abandoning the sunnah causes. You are bringing this afflication upon yourself and your child. Really, i dont know about teaching children to make hajr from other children, however Umm Abdullah al Wadee' the female scholar of hadeeth, Sheikh Muqbil's daughter, touched on the topic of avoiding letting your children play with the foolish children. Really i think if a deviant's child was allowed to play with my children, then I would give that child dawa and teach my children to be nice to that child...that is of course untill the child begins to have a negative effect on my children, then it would be a swift seperation.
"Some are not even 5 years old, and already they have been taught to chant "Ana Salafi"!"
I have to say that you can make that sound bad, however it was probably very cute...lol, mashallaah. However it would be better that the children begin tilawatul quran at that age, and hifdth of hadeeth, so that later on in life they can really be Salafi, inshallah.
As for what follows in the posts after, i found much that disagrees with Islam as well as sound logic and good manners. Also i found a trend of people speaking with little or no knowledge. Most of the ignorant kalaam was best left ignored. But, Im responding to those statements in which a response might shed a little light for the brothers and sisters. May Allaah make it a benefit. Ameen.
"I'm sure you don't want a child arguing over the narrative of one scholar taking precedent over the statement of another. The futility of it all is undebatable.. at least to some." by: =
Subhanallah, this is a belittlement of the Sceinces of Islam in general and the Sceinces of Hadeeth specifically, this is why the Salaf used to say that when a man innovates then the sweetness of Hadeeth is removed from his heart. Also they used to say that there isn't an innovator on earth except he hates Ahlul Hadeeth. If Ahul Hadeeth hadnt been sent by Allah to determine the weak from the sahih then how would the authentic sunnah have reached us? Like wise if we dont know who's statements hold weight over the other, then we might be fooled into thinking a little one (deviant) such as zarabozo can criticise a mountain such as the Muhadith, al Alaamah, Sheik Nasr ud Deen al Albaani. Subhanallah, and it was said to the fool who was attacking the mountain with his head...have mercy on your head, not the mountain. As far as zarabozo goes, then he outright attacked Sheikh al Albaani, intending to belittle him, while making himself the head of the peoples affairs.
"You get such nonsense from the SP lot, correct your preceptions ya akhee. No one on here has said he loves the shia or the breilwis..all that has been said is that muslims despite their differences should give salaam, not brainwash their innocent children with a 'them' and 'us' mentality.This is inn keeping with Islaam.To some brothers, any salafi who talks of uniting the ranks of the beleivers loves the ahl ul bidah!!How unjust you are Abu Ishaq..there is nothing in this thread to give you such a ludicrous idea." by: abu ilyas (abuilyas)
First, i see where the brother Abu Ishaaq (he posted right before this comment) is coming from, may Allaah grant him hikmah, to go along with his hamas. Second some differences dont require that a muslim abandons another muslims, and some do. When someone fits the second category then witholding the salams is praiseworthy not blameworthy. I think if the brothers and sisters would go to SalafiAudio.com and download Sheikh Fawzee al athari's "permissible and impermissble boycotting of a muslim", and listen and take notes then they could, inshallaah, get clear on this issue. The reason the Salafis or who you have labled with "SP" (its funny because alot english speakers think the salafis are only this small dawa organizaion: salafipublications, but salafiyyah does not revolve around sp or troid but revolves around the book and the sunnah and the scholars, furthermore there are salafees from every place on earth, the majority of which have never heard of troid or sp), the reason that we are cautous about a "lets unite the ummah" slogan is because we know that first the splitting of the ummah is already promised, and second we want to make sure the people know the conditions of unity from the book and the sunnah, so that the ikhwani methodology of uniting all the sects together and disregarding the falsehoods contained in each other is not established. We love to unite because this is from the sunnah, and alhamdulillah the salafis are united.
"But in some of these Islamic countries, our beloved Prophet Mohammed, Sallalahu Alayhi wa Salam, commended that all kuffars be expulsed. But they are in military forces there. How do you explain this the Salafi way, then? Come on, Ya Abu Ishaq and others who think like him. Open your eyes. Why because you are a Salafi can't you say the truth about rulers? It does not mean we are going to make a revolution, Allah Must'an!! Please, explain to me WHY. Look around you, Look at Tunisia and Turkey where women go to jail because they implement the Sunnah and they wear the hijab (Allah helps them if they have the niqaab!!!), look again at Tunisia where men go to jail for wearing the Islamic beard? Algeria, where you cannot go into work with your khamis and sarouel. Dubai, Egypt, etc... free mixing, alcohol and other despicable things.
Now, tell me why this cannot be mentioned by the Salafis? This is related to religion. All the brothers and sisters who had to flea their homeland because of their Islam,and they were tortured, raped, mutilated, to disagree with their government does it make them hisbees, ahl us bidah, khwarij ...? Yes, let's be united as one big lump, as far as we are all sunni, and lets sort the differences out once we have sorted out all the Fislistin, Kashmiri, Afghani,gujarati and other problems. Once Islam is prevalent again, then the Salafi can fight the Suroorees, the HT can fight whoever they want and the rest. But first things first."
By bint mohammed (Bintaljazeeree)
About the rulers, we dont speak about there faults on the pulpits, this is against the sunnah, rather for the common people it is upon us to supplicate for their correction. And for the 'Ulema is for them to advise them privately. Subhanallah, yes we see evil from our rulers, and although you may not beleive this, they also have good. As far as defense of apostated regims in the muslim lands, such as the baathi party of iraq, or the communists elswhere, or the apostate shia regime of iran, then this people are clearly not to be upheld or obeyed. But for Saudi in specific, we should be careful to do justice. This country was not established by the kuffar like most other nation states of the muslims, nor was it colonized, nor has its politics been anything but islamiyyah. The Sharia, although not perfect, is established there. Tawheed is established there. And this is from the uniqe nature of the kingdom, Allaah has blessed it to be founded on a tradition of the rulers honoring the ulema in the affairs of the nation. Muhammad ibn abdul wahhab was the first of the ulema who started this tradition with ahlel sau'd. Allaah has blessed the Haramain with a ruling family that has protected its rights and the rights of the hajaaj. Have you ever noticed that there is not a single church or synagouge there? What about a masjid for Ahlul Biddah, no, rather the government gives the masajid to Ahlus Sunnah. Waht about pritning the holy quran, and teaching foreign students the pure islaam in the diffwerent universities, all this in an effort to spread Islam. I could go on, but the point is made, there is good and bad, and what is upon you and me is to supplicate for more good. As far as the in general, then it is true that the muslims dont rule by what allah revealed. But why do we point to the rulers, when their condition only reflects our own. THE MUSLIMS dont rule by what Allah revealed in their persoanl lives, economiclly, socially, religiously, so how ridiculous are we to assume that we will be able to have rulers that will. Wa lillaah al hamd, because the prophet told us that we will be ruled over by those who reflect our own condtion, so let us return our beleifs statements and actions to the sharia' and we will see the results. By the way an example of not ruling by what Allah revealed on an individual level, is when we love someone whom Allaah commands us to hate, such as ahlul biddah. And about the different lands of the muslims mentioned, i think because of the jihad that has gone on there, then we have to be like doctors. We have to know the symptons of a disease so we can treat the disease. But some of us are not experts, so we see a symptom and we treat the symptom as if it is the disease itelf. The reason we are humiliated in the lands is because we deserve it. The humiliation of the muslims doesnt happen cus are enemies wish it upon us. Rather it is the humiliation of Allaah that is upon us. So we have to treat the disease, and that is use straying far far far from our religion. As far as unititing then we have to remmber that Ahlul Biddah are a severe enemy to islam. They fight our deen from within our fortress, while the kufar are only able to stage an attack from outside. Ahlul Biddah intend to implement that which brings Allahs punishment upon the muslims so they have to be dealt with. They should be cut of and subdued in accordance to the quran and sunnah, and the common people should stick to the scholars of the sunnah who are trustworthy in order to be saved from the fitnah of ahlul biddah. But rather many of us have fallen into the ranks of biddah and have evil suspcions about ahlu sunnah.
This is from the sister bintaljazeera's post in which a "student of knowledge in the jamiah islamiyyah medina" was quoted. Id like to make mention about what our noble salaf said in regards to taking 'ilm. It was said that this religion is 'ilm, so be careful who you take your 'ilm from. This is why we varify who we take our understanding from making sure they are upon the haqq and not a person who might slip some subuhat into our hearts that we may not be able to remove.
"We as Muslims are obligated to follow what we think and feel is correct, based upon the evidences of the Qur'aan and Sunnah. It doesn't mean that we show disrespect for any scholars or curse them if we do not agree with every single opinion of theirs. It is not allowed for the student of knowledge to do blind taqleed (blind and unquestioned following) in matters that he can research and see the evidences of both sides. One should however be qualified - in general in basic matters of the Islamic sciences - to read what the scholars say about an issue, and then do ijtihaad based on what they said and choose an opinion amongst their opinions. This is basically the ijtihaad that a student of knowledge is capable of. "
We as Muslims are obligated to follow Allah and his messenger, no matter how it makes us feel. As far as differences between the ulema, they generally fall into two categories. Permissible differences and impermissble differences. In matters of Usool, foundations of the religion, like aqeedah, then ikhtilaf is not permissble, and if one from the scholars breaks of from the jama' with a difference in usool then hs is no longer from Ahlus Sunnah. This is what has happened with some people's sheikhs and instead of returning the affair to the ulema in general and to the usool, they simply hold on to their mubtada' shiekh and his biddah with disgusting hizbiyyah.So when it comes to ulema, then dont speak about them unless with speach from other ulema. The other ikhtilaaf which is the permissble type is in the furoo' or branches of the deen. Matters like fiqh for example. Scholars have and will differ in fiqh (ahlus sunnahs scholars of course because wed dont take anything at all from ahlul biddah). In the matters that the scholars differ which is permissible then the one who si able to weigh proofs should enter into the affair and look at the evidences and fall back to the opinion which is stronger. Ahlus Sunnah makes itibaa' of the ulema, meaning we follow them in that which Allah has commanded us to follow them in. Allaah said what means "Ask ahlul dhikr in case you do not know". So this is a command for us to return that which we dont know to the ulema.
"The point is that it is imperative that the Muslim not believe everything he hears, especially when it involves the honor, or even greater - the aqeedah and manhaj - of his brother Muslim."
The statements made here are generally good and sound, but they can be misunderstood becase they are in the very general form rather then specific. I would like to point out here, that when it comes to criticism of callers and scholars then we have to look who it came from. If someone doesnt have salaf (predecessors) in their statement against a student or a scholar then he shouldnt speak. And when a reliable scholar criticizes an individual then we are to take that from him. There is a big danger in this issue which is lengthy to explain, bascily ahlul biddah has inveneted new princples in the religon concerning crticism. They say that we have to talk to the one critized to see if the critcizm is sound, they call it tathabut. But when a trustworthy narrator brings forth a staement then it is accepted. This a big issue that may not be beneficial to discuss in such a breif way. Generally i would advise the english speakers to go to salafipublications.com (spubs) and the arabic speakers to go to sahab.com sahab.net sahab.org to learn about this. i think the admins will probably delete these....
"Speech made to show the shortcomings of another causes nothing but hardness of the heart,"
This statment, although the brother may mean something truthful by it, is a statment that Ahlul Biddah has used to crticize the Salafis. They say we engage in the science of crticism too much and that this science hardens the heart. Rather the knowledge of jarh wa tadeel is something the presrves the religon and its people from deviant innovations. It is a weapon for Ahlus Sunnah to slice Ahlul Biddah to shreds. It is a sheild from the sheilds of Islam. And it is somethin which understood properly, brings a servant to a better understanding of Allahs religion. It was said by our noble salaf, "the angels are the guardians of the heavens, and Ahlul Hadeeth are the guradians of the earth." Allahu Akbar...Wa Lilaah al Hamd.
"and maybe if you abandon your Taqleed of "The trustworthy people who are known for their Jarh" (namely Abu Khadeejah, Abu Talha etc.)whome you consider scholars, then you will realise how they are nothing but lying, slanderers and spread alot of Fitnah, and preocupy people with things which be of no benefit to them in the hearafter." by: abu abbas
First may Allah not bless you, ameen. None of the Salafees consider Abu Talha or Abu Khadeeja scholars, this is an outright lie and slander. And the noble brothers themselves are always paying the utmost attention to avoid letting people think so (unlike say zarabozo who attacks the scholars, raises himself up and at one time had a fatawa hotline where he was giving fatwa, allahul musta'an). They refer the affairs back to the ulema. They are fine dua't may Allah preserve them, and i dont know anyone who hates them accept i doubt his relgion (meaning it is a sign of his or her biddah that he or she hates the salafi duat). You.... are the liar and slanderer and spreader of fitnah, and not the noble brothers, may Allah preserve them. They have worked hard to spread the Salafee methodology amongst the english speakers, and they are appreciated and well received. Allah has granted them isitqama upon the salafee way unlike those evil ones who were with the salafees early on but only to later revale their hizbiyyah, such has zarabozo, tamimi, abu muflisah and the other english speaking former dua't who have contradicted Allah and his messnger and have left the jama'h for their ahzab. The Salafees are the utmost in preoccupying ourselves with that which benefits, this is because we turn all our affairs to the scholars, so again a ridiculous claim you have made. Fear Allaah. And for the people who read all of this, notice how my walaa and baraa has levels, as i was more tolerant with the ignorant ones who have inclination towards Salafiyyah and i was sevre and harsh with this one who has shown hatred for Ahlul Hadeeth
".These people, they are a waste of space. I haven't the time to investigate who is on/off their hit-list, and it seems to change almost every month anyway."
"When you see their pathetic web-site, how there are 29 refuations (last time I looked, perhaps that figure has doubled by now!) of the Surooree/Qutubis, yet 0 on the heretical groups e.g. Nation of Islam, the Qaidanis etc. "
"I think it is poetic justice that they got searched as potential "terrorists" at the latest Conference, when they are the very ones who authorized spying on fellow Muslims and handing their detail over to the Kuffar." by: Umm
La ilaaha il Allaah, the hizbiyeen have nothing but lies, this is what are beloved sheikh muqbil said. Hit list? yuck..this tired hizbiyeen kalaam is such an injustice to the muslims. They are trying to undermine the criticism of the scholars, because they and their leaders of baatil are criticized. Once again ahlul biddah, belittling Allah's religion, this time a science of hadeeth. It seems as always that the muhaditheen, ahlul hadeeth always bare the brunt of the hizbi onslaughts. May Allah preserve Ahlul Hadeeth and preserve Islam by these noble warriors of the sunnah, these noble guardians of the religion. May Allaah blind the enemeis of Ahlul Hadeeth. Ameen. As far as refuting the qutubis and surooris then this is from the hikmah of Ahlul Hadeeth. If a man is about fall into a well, should i warn him about the dangers of playing with fire? Allahul musta'an. You dont see sunnis becoming nation of islamers or qadianis, but because of the talbees of the qutbees and suroris feigning as if they are upon salafiyyah, you see that their shubuhaat spreads like wild fire. So they should be refuted in detail because they are the immediate threat. May Allah destroy their plots, and return their lies upon them, and protect the muslims from their evil ameen. As far as the accusation of the salafees spying on or making permissible to spy on muslims and turn them into the kuffar, then again i reapeat the words of our beloved sheikh muqbil, when he said the hizbiyeen have nothing but lies. Bring your proof if you so speak the haqq, ya miskeena, may allah guide you, ameen.
"You might not find it surprising sis, that these SAME sisters [SP] ones, I once showed them a powerpoint presentation of Palestinian children. One picture of little Iman Hoja [I think 4 months old] and shot in the chest, and Sara [about 2 years old] and shot in the head, were very hard to see. My own children were that kinda age then, so obviously one sees the contrast in how our children have food, clothes and can sleep without their parents worrying about our area undergoing curfews and bombs.
The SP sisters...they looked dispassionately [and I think they were bored too] and then one of them says "Oh well. These people, they are fighting for their land anyway."
Never mind the fact that she does not know the intention of every Palestinian. Forgetting the fact that in Islam you can die shaheed defending your property, and the Palestinian, a lot might be nationalistic, so many fight as they want to defend al-Aqsa. What struck me was their utter indifference to these small children so horribly brutalised. I could hardly speak. They then went on to patronisingly explain to me that "Umm [obviously they used my real name and not Umm], We dont take our deen from emotions".
I know I was once a follower of the Sps, but alhamdulillah, I never felt this apathy they they do, because a "Non-Salafi" has been killed. by: Umm
La Hawla Wa La Quwata Ila Billaah. I dont know weither what you say is true about these salafi sisters, because the nature of the hizbiyyah is spread talbees. But any muslim who doesnt feel pain seeing our dead (those who are truly muslim and not mushrike
- 10th June 2006 #3
As Salaam Alaykum,
Despite this being an old topic, I would like to respond after having read the last post....
- Who determines the "deviant callers" and "hizbees"? Certainly not organizations from the likes of SP, which exhibit the same Hizbiyyah (in every sense of that word) which they claim to oppose! Just like it is no easy matter to expel the Muslim from the fold of Islam, so too with expelling the Muslim from the fold of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah.
Yet this seems to be a favorite pasttime of the "Salafis". In actuality, declaring certain Muslims as being "deviant" carries with it a whole methodology which has to be rigorously followed. We don't consider someone such merely because they differed in an issue from the scholars we follow. But the "Salafis" do this, since they make taqleed of those scholars whom they call the "flag-bearers of Jarh wat-Ta'deel".
- The numerous quotes from the Salaf, about the virtues of abandoning innovators, carries with it a certain wisdom and must be seen in their proper context. First, who is considered an "innovator"? Do we call people that merely because they hold an opinion different from a certain scholar? Does it apply to the ignorant or the lay-Muslims, who have good Niyyah? Second, what the Talafees don't realize is that the time of the Salaf was entirely different. Back then, Islam was powerful and the majority of Muslims were upon Ahlus-Sunnah. The innovators were small in number and could easily be refuted. What about the current situation?
- I have yet to see any actual statement which links the Taliban to the Deobandee madhhab or Maturidee aqeedah. The only thing I have seen was the book put out by Troid, which refuted the Deobandees and claimed the Taliban were upon that way....but without any evidence.
Concerning the Taliban, there are some facts I would like the Talafees to consider: Did not Rabee' al-Madkhalee issue a fatwa praising the Taliban and calling upon the Salafis of Afghanistan to support them? Why do your websites desist from posting this fatwa? What about the fataawa of senior 'ulama like Shaykh Abdullah Ibn Jibreen (hafidahullah)? Why do you ignore these fataawa? Or is it because these senior 'ulama are influenced by the "Suroorees/Qutubees"?
- The Da'wah of Shaykh al-Islam Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab (rahimahullah) is the only trump card the Saudi royal family has for their continued rule. But what are the facts? What did the Mujaddid Shaykh say concerning those who rule according to man-made laws? What did he say concerning those who aided the Kuffar against the Muslims?
I would advise you to read history....Abdul-Aziz began the trend, when he betrayed the Ikhwaan movement and abandoned Jihad in the neighboring lands, for the sake of the English imperialists. After World War II, American imperialism replaced British imperialism - but it was business as usual for the Saudi family.
If they are upon the Da'wah, why do they imprison the 'ulama and Mujahideen? The truth is, the government has betrayed the Da'wah and exploits it for their own advantage. The true followers of the Da'wah are those 'ulama and Mujahideen who oppose that corrupt, murderous, and tyrannical family's rule over Arabia.
- Just because a scholar has reached a certain status does not mean we can't criticize them. Shaykh Albanee (rahimahullah) was a very knowledgeable scholar whose efforts have benefitted the Ummah. As for anything which might have been false coming from him, then we leave this affair to Allah (Subhanahu wa-Ta'ala).
The scholars welcomed such criticism, if it was based upon the Qur'an and Sunnah. They were humble and cared only for the Truth. Most certainly they would oppose those who blindly followed them in everything they said or wrote. Are not your books filled with the quotes of the four imams, who stated that wherever there was a hadith, then disregard their view?
If what you said is correct, then apply this honestly. Apply this also to Rabee' al-Madkhalee, who has criticized the 'ulama senior to him (such as Bakr Abu Zaid, Ibn Jibreen, and Ibn Ghunayman). And if you deny this, why has Rabee' never been placed upon the Lajnah ad-Da'imah?
- The "Salafis" are most certainly not united! I know this from my personal experience. Each week we heard of someone who "went off the manhaj" and whose books and tapes were now to be abandoned. Look at the Fitnah between Rabee' and his followers vs. Ma'ribee and his followers. The "Salafi" masjid I attended underwent such a fitnah, where you were forced to declare yourself on such "manhaj issues". Brothers made hijrah from other brothers, and spoke against "so-and-so".
- What you said about the rulers concerns those who are Muslim. But what of those whose Eemaan has been negated? How about those rulers who assume the role of Taghut, legislating man-made laws and abandoning the divine Shari'ah? Or those rulers who aid the Kuffar against the Muslims? Or those who openly show their hatred of the Deen and oppress the Muslims?
The Saudi rulers were originally good, righteous Muslims. But this has not been the case with those who followed Abdul-Aziz. Because they fear America more than they fear Allah (Subhanahu wa-Ta'ala). Their decisions are based on their own Hawaa, without the least concern for the Deen.
Funny how the criteria you used (allowing masaajid for Ahlus-Sunnah, printing Qur'an, etc.) can also be applied to Kaafir governments. Does this mean Bush and Blair are good Muslims?! Do they aid the Deen of Allah (Subhanahu wa-Ta'ala)?!
As for what you mentioned, i.e. that the conditions of the rulers are contingent upon the condition of the general Muslims, then I ask you to consider the cause and effect. What about the prophecies of our Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam), that when the people abandoned Jihad and held on to the tails of cattle, then they will be weak? In light of your own words, I ask you to consider the hadeeth:
“The Messenger of Allah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said "If you see my Ummah afraid of telling the oppressor: You are an oppressor, it is farewell to the ummah"” (Ahmad, Tabarani, Al-Hakim and Al-Baihaqi).
- "They fight our deen from within our fortress, while the kufar are only able to stage an attack from outside"....Does this not apply also to the tyrant rulers and those who deem them to be Muslim and anyone criticizing them to be "Khawaarij"? Does this not weaken and divide the Muslims?
- Ibn Hazm, Ibn al-Jawzee, Imam an-Nawawi, Suyuti, and others held many deviant opinions. Does this mean we should not take from them? Does this also not apply to many whom you consider "innovators" (such as Sayyid Qutb)? You either take a clear stance upon Qur'an and Sunnah - the true madhhab of the Salaf -, or you follow your own hizb called "Salafi".
- Who's lying?! Those from the likes of Abu Talha and Abu Khadijah present themselves as "students of knowledge" and they welcome any such description. They represent themselves as being the interpreters of the 'ulama's words for the Salafis in the West.
As for Ali al-Tamimi, then why have Abu Khadijah and others been unable to respond to the words of Idris Palmer and Abuz-Zubair? Specifically the article "Exposing the Cult". Or the work of our brother Abu Huthayfah, "A Decisive Refutation of Salafi Publications"?
- "I dont know weither what you say is true about these salafi sisters, because the nature of the hizbiyyah is spread talbees."....Look at the ease at which so-called "Salafis" mistrust and slander other Muslims! There are many instances I can give of the talbees of "Salafis".
- As for those who lessen the importance of knowing Fiqh ul-Waaqi or who display no emotional response from the dead Palestinian children, then there is definitely a problem in their Eemaan, a deficiency in their Baraa', and their status is the same as that of Az-Zalamiyoon (those who do not care for the affairs of other Muslims).
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