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    Assalam Alaikum brother,

    I have been told that categorizing Tawheed into Tawheed Ar-Rububiyyah, Tawheed Al-Uluhiyah, and Tawheed Al Asmaa wa Sifaat is a Bid'ah and was not the practice of the Salaf. Is this true? And have any Salaf mentioned this categorization? And how is this categorization derived?

    Apparently this is mentioned in Imam Abu Hanifa's Fiqh Al Akbar. Can you shed some light on this matter?

    Jazakallah Khair.

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    I think there us already a thread about it somewhere on these forums?
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    I searched but could'nt find anything.

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    Categorization a bida'ah? It's merely grouping things into category without changing it, and it's based on al-Quran and Sunnah. Just as the knowledge of the deen divided into Fiqh, Usul, Tafseer, etc.

    Some of the previous scholars who have categorized tawheed: Ibn Abbas in explaining surah Yusuf verse 106 (من إيمانهم أنهم إذا قيل لهم: من خلق السماوات ومن خلق الأرض ومن خلق الجبال؟ قالوا: اللّه وهم مشركون به), Imam Abu Hanifah (Fiqh Asbat??), Ibn Battah (Ibanah??).

    You can listen to Sheikh Saleh as-Saleh mention about this in explaining Kitab ut-Tawheed, I'm not sure which lecture, but towards the beginning of the lecture:
    http://www.understand-islam.net/audi...ook+of+Tawheed

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    Some daee consider bida to add a forth category, tawheed al hakimiya, even though this whole categorization is nothing but to make it easier to learn important principals of the deen. remember Abu Bakr (ra) was also against writing Quran as single book, and had to be convinced by the sahaba (ra).
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    the categorization of in into 3 is not new
    Imam as Sunnah Ibn Battah al Ukburi rahimahu Allah (died 387 A.H.)
    mentioned this categorization without naming it (meaning saying rububiyyah, uloohiyah, asma sifat)
    but he categorized it explaining each one.

    if u want the arabic text I can get it for you, but someone will have to translate it.

    also, the words rububiyyah, uloohiya, are mentioned in quite a few books of past scholars, meaning the same thing as in this categorization, uloohiyah having to do with ibadah and ruboobiyah having to do with Allah being creater and sustainor of the universe.

    one book I remember these words mentioned in there and with that meaning is Tafsir of Imam at Tabari rahimahu Allah who died also in the 300's A.H. but don't remember what the exact year was.

    so whoever tells you it is new, and past scholars before Imam Ibn Taimiyyah rahimahu Allah never did that are WRONG.

    also, it is something to make easier to learn and understand, noting is added or removed
    it same as science of usool fiqh, of hadith ..etc.

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    yes but RasoolAllaah Sallaho Alayhi Wasalam did not do this, nor did the sahaba so how can one permit this trough these scholars? Bida = bida. 1+1=2


    I would like to know more about this, could someone show/point me out to the exact references given?
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    so u consider science of usool al fiqh, of hadith, of Quran ..etc. to be bid'ah

    can you show me any scholar from past or present considering those sciences to be bid'ah?

    also, do you know what the definition of bid'ah in deen is?

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    Salaamualaikum
    Its not necassary to categorize tawheed at all .
    Heres What Imaam Razi , the Ashari 's Shaykhul Islam said
    .Say, "Who provides for you from the heaven and the earth? Or who controls hearing and sight and who brings the living out of the dead and brings the dead out of the living and who arranges [every] matter?" They will say, " Allah ," so say, "Then will you not fear Him?" [10:31]

    Razi said in the tafseer of the verse
    إذا سألهم عن مدبر هذه الأحوال فسيقولون إنه الله سبحانه وتعالى، وهذا يدل على أن المخاطبين بهذا الكلام كانوا يعرفون الله ويقرون به، وهم الذين قالوا في عبادتهم للأصنام إنها تقربنا إلى الله زلفى وإنهم شفعاؤنا عند الله وكانوا يعلمون أن هذه الأصنام لا تنفع ولا تضر، فعند ذلك قال لرسوله عليه السلام: { فَقُلْ أَفَلاَ تَتَّقُونَ } يعني أفلا تتقون أن تجعلوا هذه الأوثان شركاء لله في المعبودية، مع اعترافكم بأن كل الخيرات في الدنيا والآخرة إنما تحصل من رحمة الله وإحسانه، واعترافكم بأن هذه الأوثان لا تنفع ولا تضر ألب
    "If it is asked to them about the controller of these things(mentioned in the verse) they will say Allah swt, this is proof the that they knew about Allah and admit it (that Allah was the sole controller of things mentioned in the verse) .They said about their worship of the idols, that it draws us closer to Allah and they are our intercessor with Allah and they knew that these idols cannot harm or benefit by themselves .

    Next Allah said to his messenger {فَقُلْ أَفَلاَ تَتَّقُون }

    Meaning: Do u not fear Allah('s punishment) to set up partners with him in worship (Ma'budiyyah) after recognizing that all things good in dunya and the akhira that happen are from the mercy of Allah and his favour and recognizing that these idols neither benefit nor harm
    This is the exact concept we say with a different wording. We have not innovated a new concept rather we simply state it in an easier manner to understand, this would not have been necassary had the mutakallims not confused the masses about tawheed.

    Ibn 'Arabi the "Shaykhul Akbar" of the sufis also categorized tawheed

    Below are excerpts from Muhyî ad-Dîn ibn `Arabî’s work of Sufi enlightenment entitled al-Futûhât al-Makkîyyah. Tawhîd ar-Rubûbîyyah
    والفطرة علم التوحيد التي فطر الله الخلق عليها حين أشهدهم حين قبضهم من ظهورهم ألست بربكم قالوا بلى فشاهدوا الربوبية قبل كل شيء
    “The nature is inclined to knowledge of at-Tawhîd which is the nature Allâh has placed in His creation from when they testified of Him (at the time of the pre-worldly covenent or mîthâq) until when they are siezed by their backs and asked, ‘Am I not your Lord?’ to which they will reply, ‘Indeed!’ Thus, they have testified to ar-Rubûbîyyah before everything.”
    [al-Futûhât al-Makîyyah, Muhyî ad-Dîn ibn `Arabî]
    Tawhîd al-Ulûhîyyah
    وسمى مشركاً لكونه نسب الألوهية إلى غير الله مع الله
    “And they are called mushrik due to their association of al-Ulûhîyyah to other than Allâh with Allâh..”
    [al-Futûhât al-Makîyyah, Muhyî ad-Dîn ibn `Arabî]
    Tawhîd al-Asmâ’ was-Siffât (also termed Tawhîd as-Siffât)
    ومن أوتر بثلاث فهو توحيد الألوهة ومن أوتر بخمس فهو توحيد القلب ومن أوتر بسبع فهو توحيد الصفات ومن أوتر بتسع فقد جمع في كل ثلاث توحيد الذات وتوحيد الصفات وتوحيد الأفعال
    “..and he who takes by the odd number of three, that is Tawhîd al-Ulûhîyyah; and who takes by the odd number of five, that is Tawhîd al-Qalb; and he who takes by the odd number of seven, that is Tawhîd as-Siffât; and who takes by the odd number of nine, then he has combined all three of the Tawhîd ath-Dhaat, and Tawhîd as-Siffât, and Tawhîd al-Af`âl)..”
    [al-Futûhât al-Makîyyah, Muhyî ad-Dîn ibn `Arabî]
    Finally, Ibn `Arabi went on to determine 36 categories of Tawhîd in all:
    فإن الله تعالى يقول “وقضى ربك ألا تعبدوا إلا إياه” فما عبد فيما عبد إلا الله وهذا التوحيد على ستة وثلاثين أعني الواردة في القرآن
    “Verily, Allâh has said {And your Lord has decreed that you shall not worship any other besides Him..} For there is not a worship in anything other than in worship of Allâh and this is at-Tawhîd which has 36 explanations deriving from the Qur’ân..”
    http://philomantis.wordpress.com/200...ons-of-tawhid/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmaa View Post
    so u consider science of usool al fiqh, of hadith, of Quran ..etc. to be bid'ah

    can you show me any scholar from past or present considering those sciences to be bid'ah?

    also, do you know what the definition of bid'ah in deen is?
    yes, everything in ibaadah that is invented after the death of prophet muhammad sallaho alayhi waslaam. Fiqh, of hadith of quran etc.. is sience of Islam, dividing tawhid is not.
    I seek refuge with Allah from blindness after sight, from separation after contact, from alienation after closeness and proximity, from error after guidance, and from unbelief after true faith.

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