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    As salamu alaikum - Firstly this is not IbnMuhammed but i hope someone can answer this question inshallah -
    If a person belives allah is one and his messenger is muhammed (saw) but he commits acts of kufr not knowing they are acts of kufr .. will this nullify his emaan
    .. im not talking about making takfir on the individual but his reality is the man classfied a muslim !! hope that makes sense .. jazakallah

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    Depends what type of kufr he is committing, whether he knows its kufr or not, and whether ignorance is an excuse with respect to the kufr he commits.
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    az, what about a person that makes duaa through saints or the dead to Allaah (a bareilwi) or calls upon "gawth-e-azam", and when we explain that it's shirk etc. they say "taahir ul-qadri explained that it isn't and he taught us true tawheed!", what's the ruling on such a person?
    Shaykh ibn Baaz (RAH) said: "the messenger of Allaah (sAaws) said: 'whoever Allah wants good in, He will give him knowledge in the deen'... that means that whoever doesn't learn or understand (yatafaqqah), Allah doesn't want good in him! Wa la hawla wa la quuwwata illaa bih!"

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    He is a mushrik by merely praying to other than Allah, according to the correct opinion, Allahu Alam.
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    so, is he an "out of the fold" kind of mushrik? such that you can't give salaams to him etc.?
    Shaykh ibn Baaz (RAH) said: "the messenger of Allaah (sAaws) said: 'whoever Allah wants good in, He will give him knowledge in the deen'... that means that whoever doesn't learn or understand (yatafaqqah), Allah doesn't want good in him! Wa la hawla wa la quuwwata illaa bih!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abuz Zubair View Post
    Depends what type of kufr he is committing, whether he knows its kufr or not, and whether ignorance is an excuse with respect to the kufr he commits.
    Do u think u can give a more detailed response bro .. cos this is very vague

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    beyond the pale of Islam
    A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new.

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    Well, the question itself is vague...

    Plus, I cannot respond about any individual in particular. I can only speak about actions, as I don't know whether the person is really guilty of what he's being accused of, etc.
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    I think the questioner is refering to actions of major kufr, wherby the perpretator is unaware that the action constitutes to major kufr.

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    well can you give examples of actions of major kufr your speaking about?

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