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Haris Hammam, the slave and Shafi'i As salamu alaykum
Dear brothers, your already known friend Ebu Muqatil is coming back for some time to this forum. I will not be here too long since it is Ramadan and at this time there are better things to do and participation at this forum is surely not among them.
The topic I would like to adress is an interpreation of a passage from Imam Shafi'is book Risalah by Haris Hammam at Multaqa AH as well as at this forum. He says:
Originally Posted by Harris Hammam 
and the passage from Risalah says: "And this is how the Prophet set the standard in everyone he tested for faith". On this follows the hadith of the slave girl.
So, the coprocreep (I have no idea what that means but the Deobandis use for him) says that Imam Shafi'i and therefore the Prophet hold the question "Where is Allah?" as a "standard measuring stick" for testing somebodies iman. However, I read the passage from Risalah and I do not see the context for this conclusion as presented by Haris Hammam. The chapter ???? ??? ???? ?? ????? ????? ??? ???? is about the obligation to follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet. Therefore before coming to the hadith Imam Shafi'i says that for iman the believe in Allah and the Prophet is necessary. The standard test in this case is not regarding Allah's 'uluw but rather on the affirmation of Allah and the Prophet.I am back dear english friends!
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Re: Haris Hammam, the slave and Shafi'i Oooo your back bro, your jokes were greatly missed
"Pay attention to your heart, beware of raising yourself above others, and beware of belittling others"Sheikh Abdullah Azzam
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Re: Haris Hammam, the slave and Shafi'i I'm a little teapot,
Short and stout,
Here is my handle,
Here is my spout,
When I get all steamed up,
Hear me shout,
Tip me up and pour me out!
Rofl!!!!!
I'm a little Kharaji
Short and stout,
Major league takfeeri
From the millah I will take you out
When I get all steamed up,
Hear me shout,
damn you murtad from this deen you are out!"Sit with one whose limbs address you, not his mouth." Sahl ibn `Abd Allah ibn Yunus, Abu Muhammad al-Tustari (d. 283), may Allah be well-pleased with him.
قال إبن عمر: "ولا يكن في قولك فضل على فعلك" ,أخرج البيهقي: شعب الإيمان وابن حجر العسقلاني: الإصابة في تمييز الصحابة
Ibn 'Umar said: "And do not let your words be in excess to your actions", Al-Baihaqi: Shu'ab al-Imaan and Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani: Al-Isaabah fee Taymeez as-Sahaaba
Justice for those who are oppressed!
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Re: Haris Hammam, the slave and Shafi'i all I need to know is one thing my freind, when are you leaving for the land of No?
Zionism is to the Palestinian what Nazism was to the Jews
*lifting the gag on legitimate debate*
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Re: Haris Hammam, the slave and Shafi'i "Eureka"!!!!
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Re: Haris Hammam, the slave and Shafi'i OK, thread finished. HH will not answer. Therefore I prooved the point and I leave again.
I am back dear english friends!
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Re: Haris Hammam, the slave and Shafi'i "Don't cry for me Takferita!"
"Sit with one whose limbs address you, not his mouth." Sahl ibn `Abd Allah ibn Yunus, Abu Muhammad al-Tustari (d. 283), may Allah be well-pleased with him.
قال إبن عمر: "ولا يكن في قولك فضل على فعلك" ,أخرج البيهقي: شعب الإيمان وابن حجر العسقلاني: الإصابة في تمييز الصحابة
Ibn 'Umar said: "And do not let your words be in excess to your actions", Al-Baihaqi: Shu'ab al-Imaan and Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani: Al-Isaabah fee Taymeez as-Sahaaba
Justice for those who are oppressed!
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Re: Haris Hammam, the slave and Shafi'i How can I be a takfiri when I am not even wahhabi? Originally Posted by Abu'l 'Eyse I am back dear english friends!
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Re: Haris Hammam, the slave and Shafi'i Haqq right there homeboy..Haqq,Haqq,Haqq,isn't that how Popeye laughed? Originally Posted by Ebu Muqatil
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Re: Haris Hammam, the slave and Shafi'i Wahabis came AFTER the takfeeris like the khawarij. Unless your on some warped "back to the future" manhaj then you can be a takfeeri withou being a wahaabi, however you might actually be a Tak-fairy
gag order likes this."Sit with one whose limbs address you, not his mouth." Sahl ibn `Abd Allah ibn Yunus, Abu Muhammad al-Tustari (d. 283), may Allah be well-pleased with him.
قال إبن عمر: "ولا يكن في قولك فضل على فعلك" ,أخرج البيهقي: شعب الإيمان وابن حجر العسقلاني: الإصابة في تمييز الصحابة
Ibn 'Umar said: "And do not let your words be in excess to your actions", Al-Baihaqi: Shu'ab al-Imaan and Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani: Al-Isaabah fee Taymeez as-Sahaaba
Justice for those who are oppressed!
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