mcdonalds halal?? fatawa from sh.ibn uthymeen (r)?? someone explain !

[Abubakr1]

Eating the Meat of Ahl Al-Kitaab (Jews & Christians)
Imaam Ibn Uthaymeen (Rahimahullaah)

Q. Is it permissible to eat poultry which is sold in the markets on the
basis that it is meat of the People of the Book...or is it impermissible on
the basis that it is a carcass slaughtered by unknown means i.e. was it done
by cutting off the head or electrocution or some such means... and are the
Ahl-Kitaab today truly to be considered in this ruling [as those of the
past]?

A. Yes, eating the poultry is permissible because that which is slaughtered
by the Ahl Al-Kitaab today is just as what was slaughtered by Ahl Al-Kitaab
in the time of the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam). The Ahl Al-Kitaab are of the Kuffaar
(disbelievers) whether they are in the time of the Prophet (saaws) or now.
Allah says in His Noble Book They have certainly disbelieved who say that
Verily Allah is Isa Ibn Maryam and the Messiah said "O Children of Israel
worship Allah my Lord and your Lord Verily whosoever commits shirk
(associates partners with Allah in any way) Allah has made the Paradise
forbidden to him and his end will be the Hellfire and there will be no help
to the Dhaalimeen. They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is the
third of three and there is no deity except the single Deity and if they do
not desist from what they are saying We will inflict upon those disbelievers
a painful punishment.

Allah also says in the same chapter: "Today I have made permissible for you
that which is good and wholesome and the food of those who were sent the
Scripture is permissible to you and your food is permissible to them."

As far as the methodology of the slaughtering we do not inquire about the
method because if an action has occurred min ahlihi [at the hands of those
suited to perform such an act] the conditions surrounding that act are not
asked about.

We find in Saheeh Al-Bukhari: "It is related by Aisha (raa) that a group of
people said to the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) 'Some people came to us with some meat
about which we didn't know whether the name of Allah was mentioned over or
not' and he replied (saaws) Sammoo [Say the name of Allah] over it
yourselves and then eat. She [Aisha - raa] said that these people had just
recently been from the Kuffaar [i.e. just became Muslim and the question was
not asked as to the method of slaughter].

This rule therefore applies to the Jews and the Christians about whom we
don't know whether or not they have mentioned Allah's name or not because
their slaughtered meat is halal [permissible] to us.

Q. Please clarify the fatwa - esteemed Sheikh - If a Muslim goes to the
markets and eating places in a Christian land and purchases the lamb, beef,
of chicken and does not ask about how it was slaughtered?

A. Yes, he does not ask about the method of slaughter.

Q. What if he is informed however that the meat has been stunned by electric
shock, or has been choked or shot? What is the ruling for meat slaughtered
like this? Is it considered a carcass? [Which is impermissible to eat]

A. It is not permissible if it is known with certainty because it would be
considered a carcass.

Q. Can we understand from the hadith of Aisha (raa) which is related in the
fatwa that the question which was posed by the people to the Messenger of
Allah (saaws) was only in relation to whether Allah's name was mentioned
over the animal being slaughtered and it was not about the actual method of
slaughter?

A. Yes, they did ask about the mentioning of the name of Allah and not the
actual method of slaughtering and it is evident in the hadith that it is not
necessary to ask about either.

Q. Is it possible to say that if there are
stores in a city where the Muslim lives and those stores carry meat
slaughtered according to the Islamic method - even of it is more expensive -
that it is not then permissible to buy the meat of the Christians?

A. No it is not possible to say that because the slaughtered meat of the
Christians and the Jews is halal. However whoever leaves it [doesn't eat it]
out of a sense of piety [tawar'an], we see no fault upon him. [Tawar'a or
wara' is when a person has such piety that they will avoid even that which
is permissible to do what is even better from wanting to please Allah and
also eliminating any possibility of doing something wrong].

Q. One of the readers asks about a relation from Ali Ibn Abi Talib (raa) in
which he reportedly said: "Do not eat the meat slaughtered by Bani Taglab
because they adhere to Christianity by drink alcohol." Can this be then used
as a proof considering the Christians of today, the majority of who drink
alcohol , that it is not permissible to eat their slaughtered meat?

A. I do not know the authenticity of this statement [from the Sahabah] and
if it is authentic its meaning would be that they [Banu Taglab] were not
actually on the religion of the Christians and therefore they would not fall
under the ruling of permissibility of their slaughtered meat.

Q. If it is known that some of the slaughterhouses in this country slaughter
sheep and cattle along with swine is it permissible to eat that meat
especially when the same instruments are used to slaughter both at the same
time?

A. In this case, if we know that the knives are used for both then the meat
should be washed and it will be purified through washing.

Q. Is it possible - esteemed Sheikh - for you to address us with a word to
the Muslim in the Western countries about the obligation of staying far away
from disobedience [to Allah and His Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam)] and haram things and
doubtful matters because we are aware of some of them being lax in relation
to some major sins such as not praying or illicit sex or drinking alcohol
yet he is distressed or makes complicated the eating of meat which is not
slaughtered according to Islamic method?

A. My advice to them is to have taqwa and fear Allah's punishment and to
remember the Day of Meeting, a day which the excuses of those who wrong
themselves will be of no avail. A day when the parent will not afford their
offspring anything nor can the offspring do anything for the parent. A day
when they will all be raised from their graves barefoot, and naked. We ask
Allah for all guidance and success.

Muhammad Saleh Al-Uthaimeen (rahimahullaah) 2/28/1414

May Allaah Reward www.troid.org For Publishing this Original Article in the magazine Al-Furqaan (June/July 2001 Edition)

[nomad]

Uk is not a christian country. The christians are a group whos rights are diminishing. 2 christian adoption centres were forced to close last year due to them refusing to consider same sex couples for adoptive parents. Other christian rights were forgone for the progressive gay and lesbian rights. So are we in a christian country or not?

[Abdul-Qadir]

so where does it say macdonalds?

[surat_an_nisa_74_100]

ANOTHER OPINION:

hXp://www.kalamullah.com/Books/the-ruling-on-meat-slaughtered-in-the-west.pdf

[Le Croyant]

I took Fiqh of Food & Provision with Sh. Yasir Qadhi and in his class he mentioned that when he was studying with Sh. Uthaymeen (ra) a classmate of his from the west asked Sh. Uthaymeen abt permissibility of eating meat in the west, the shaykh said it's halaal as it's slaughtered by the ppl of the book. The student replied that it's not necessary that it's slaughtered by the ppl of the book, the person who is slaughtering could be frm the ppl of the book but could also be a pagan, atheist, etc... there's no way of knowing it. The shaykh asked the student if he sure abt this, when he replied in affirmative, Sh. Uthaymeen said if u r sure abt it then the meat is not halaal for u.

[Abu Saalehah]

some people will do anything to continue to enjoy their big mac or fillet of fish from their days of jahiliyyah including qouting out of date fatawah from scholars who did not know the situation in the west then, nevermind now a few years after their death.

not a single slaughterhouse of the 'christians' in the uk slaughter in the correct method. not one.
kosher meat is a different matter but as for the 'christian' slaughterhouses, they are just run by general kuffar, it is as likely to be an atheist or sikh slaughtering your chicken as a christian and he will certainly not do so in the name of Allah as they havent slaughtered that way in the uk for over a thousand years as it is not common practice amongst catholics or protestants.

the meat is cooked in the same area as what even the troid big mac munchers would regard as haram which is pork. or is that ok also because they are ahlul kitab?
so can we trust a muslim who serves haram food alongside halal so is a clear fasiq so why would we trust a kafir? it is strange indeed to suggest we can or should.

there is also the issue that mcdonalds on three occassions in the past few years has been caught adding animal fats to their fries as flavouring and hiding this, saying they were suitable for vegetarians and then once caught out promising to never do so again... then doing so again... TWICE MORE!
anyone who knew of just one such instance and still was stupid enough to trust their food deserved to eat haram food and have their salaat and dua not accepted.

[Abu Saalehah]

I took Fiqh of Food & Provision with Sh. Yasir Qadhi and in his class he mentioned that when he was studying with Sh. Uthaymeen (ra) a classmate of his from the west asked Sh. Uthaymeen abt permissibility of eating meat in the west, the shaykh said it's halaal as it's slaughtered by the ppl of the book. The student replied that it's not necessary that it's slaughtered by the ppl of the book, the person who is slaughtering could be frm the ppl of the book but could also be a pagan, atheist, etc... there's no way of knowing it. The shaykh asked the student if he sure abt this, when he replied in affirmative, Sh. Uthaymeen said if u r sure abt it then the meat is not halaal for u.

this needs to be widely publicised as they've been putting this out to justify their wala towards maccy D's for past couple of months at least.

[Le Croyant]

this needs to be widely publicised as they've been putting this out to justify their wala towards maccy D's for past couple of months at least.

Even after hearing this, the students who ate outside meat said YQ is wrong as this is a Christian country and the ruling is applicable based on the country as a whole not the individual who is slaughtering. I just don't get it.

Here is America. it's mostly a desi vs arab issue... each side blaming the other of ignorance.

I came to US frm Saudi and my 1st two yrs ate outside meat as the scholars in Saudi told me that it's halaal and my arab friends did the same. But after researching a lot more abt this subject, I stopped eating outside meat and started eating only zabihah meat.

Is the difference in UK also along racial lines?

[Abu Saalehah]

Even after hearing this, the students who ate outside meat said YQ is wrong as this is a Christian country and the ruling is applicable based on the country as a whole not the individual who is slaughtering. I just don't get it.

Here is America. it's mostly a desi vs arab issue... each side blaming the other of ignorance.

I came to US frm Saudi and my 1st two yrs ate outside meat as the scholars in Saudi told me that it's halaal and my arab friends did the same. But after researching a lot more abt this subject, I stopped eating outside meat and started eating only zabihah meat.

Is the difference in UK also along racial lines?

so sheikh uthaymeen's fatwah is taken when it supports their haram pork tainted burger munching but when he changed his mind they say he is wrong?
talk about picking and choosing which parts of the deen you want to practice. it is people behaving like this that gives the salafi manhaj a bad name.

RE UK, it is mostly arabs and reverts who think it is ok to eat the meat here, desi muslims tend to only eat halal and have been the ones most active in setting up halal certification bodies like HMC, though that was setup largely copying a similar body setup in ireland which was done by arabs.

[Abdul-Qadir]

Islam Question and Answer - Conditions of eating meat slaughtered by the Jews and Christians

Conditions of eating meat slaughtered by the Jews and Christians

I know that it is essential to say the name of Allaah when slaughtering animals that are to be eaten, and that it is not permissible to eat from that over which the name of Allaah has not been mentioned, but sometimes a Muslim has to travel to a non-Muslim country and stay there for several years, for work or study. Should he refrain from eating meat completely for this length of time or in this case is he regarded as compelled by necessity to eat meat or is it sufficient to say the name of Allaah at the time of eating?.

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:



Saying the name of Allaah is a condition of meat being halaal, and it is not excused by forgetting or not knowing, according to the most correct scholarly opinion. See the answer to question no. 85669 (Saying Bismillaah in order to meat to be halaal)?


Secondly:


Meat slaughtered by one of the people of the Book (a Jew or a Christian) is permissible subject to two conditions:



1 – That the meat be slaughtered as a Muslim does it, but cutting the throat and oesophagus and letting the blood flow. If the animal is killed by strangling or electric shock or drowning in water, its meat is not permissible. Similarly, if a Muslim does that, the meat is not permissible.



2 – No name other than that of Allaah should be mentioned over it, such as the name of the Messiah etc, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):


“Eat not (O believers) of that (meat) on which Allaah’s Name has not been pronounced (at the time of the slaughtering of the animal)”
[al-An’aam 6:121]


And He says concerning haraam things (interpretation of the meaning):


“He has forbidden you only the Maytah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah (or has been slaughtered for idols, on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering)”
[al-Baqarah 2:173]



Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:


What is meant here is that over which a name other than that of Allaah is mentioned at the time of slaughter, such as saying “in the name of the Messiah” or “in the name of Muhammad” or “in the name of Jibreel” or “in the name of al-Laat” and so on.

End quote from Tafseer Soorat al-Baqarah.



The prohibition also applies to that which is offered as a sacrifice to the Messiah or to al-Zahrah, even if they did not mention a name other than that of Allaah over it. It is also haraam.



Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
As for that which is slaughtered by the people of the Book for their festivals and as an act of worship to draw closer to someone other than Allaah, as the Muslims offer their sacrifices to draw closer to Allaah thereby, such as what they slaughter for the Messiah and al-Zahrah, there are two reports narrated from Ahmad concerning that, the most well known of which in his texts is that it is not permissible to eat it, even if the name of someone other than Allaah has not been mentioned over it. The prohibition on doing that was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah and ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar.

End quote from Iqtida’ al-Siraat al-Mustaqeem (1/251).



Thirdly:


If a Muslim or a kitaabi (Jew or Christian) slaughters an animal for meat, and it is not known whether he mentioned the name of Allaah over it or not, it is permissible to eat from it, and the one who eats it should say the name of Allaah, because of the report that was narrated by al-Bukhaari (2057) from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), that some people said: O Messenger of Allaah, some people bring meat to us, and we do not know whether they mentioned the name of Allaah over it or not. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Mention the name of Allaah over it and eat.”



Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:


It is not essential to ask about that which was slaughtered by a Muslim or a kitaabi, and how it was slaughtered, and whether the name of Allaah was mentioned over it or not. Rather that should not be done, because that is being obstinate in religious matters. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ate meat slaughtered by the Jews and did not ask questions. In Saheeh al-Bukhaari and elsewhere it is narrated from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that some people said to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): Some people bring meat to us, and we do not know whether they mentioned the name of Allaah over it or not. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Mention the name of Allaah over it and eat.” She said: They were new in Islam, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told them to eat without asking, even though those who brought the meat to them may not have been aware of the rulings of Islam because they were new in Islam.

End quote from Risaalah fi Ahkaam al-Udhiyah wa’l-Dhakaah by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him).


Fourthly:



Based on the above, whoever travels to a non-Muslim country where most of those who slaughter meat are Christians or Jews, it is permissible for him to eat their meat, unless he knows that they stun the animals or mention over them the name of someone other than Allaah, as stated above.



But if the slaughterman is an idol-worshipper or communist, it is not permissible to eat meat slaughtered by him.



If the meat is haraam, it is not permissible to eat from it on the grounds of necessity, so long as a person can find food to keep him alive, such as fish, vegetables and so on.
Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Barraak (may Allaah preserve him) said:


“The meats available in kaafir countries are of various types. As for fish, it is halaal in all cases, because its being halaal does not depend on the way in which it is slaughtered or on the name of Allaah being mentioned over it. With regard to other types of meat, if the companies or individuals who produce meat are people of the Book, Jews or Christians, and it is not known from them that they kill the animal by electric shock, strangling or striking it on the head, as is well known in the west, then this meat is halaal. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):


“Made lawful to you this day are At‑Tayyibaat [all kinds of Halaal (lawful) foods, which Allaah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits)]. The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them”
[al-Maa’idah 5:5]


But if they kill the animal by one of the methods mentioned, then the meat is haraam, because in that case it is meat that has been strangled or killed by a blow. If those who produce the meat are not Jews or Christians, then the meat that they offer is haraam. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):


“Eat not (O believers) of that (meat) on which Allaah’s Name has not been pronounced (at the time of the slaughtering of the animal), for sure it is Fisq (a sin and disobedience of Allaah)”
[al-An’aam 6:121]


The Muslim should strive to avoid that which is clearly haraam and be cautious of doubtful matters so as to preserve his religious commitment and to keep his body safe from being nourished with haraam things.

End quote.



And Allaah knows best.