Plasma Jinn

[AustralianRevert]

Salam Alaikum, i have been meaning to make a thread on this topic for a while, and i'm going to do so now.
In the Quran it says the Jinn were made from a certain type of fire(i would love a proficient Quranic-arabic speaking muslim to explain this exact work properly)
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YUSUFALI: And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke:
PICKTHAL: And the jinn did He create of smokeless fire.
These 2 translations say a smokeless fire.
55:15 And he created the Jinn from a smokeless flame of fire.
Another translation i can't find, had blazing, but it seems to be "smokeless."
For a fire to become smokeless, it has to be hot, which requires enough oxygen, when a fire becomes hot enough it can/does ionizes the gases, producing plasma.(see this).

Plasma was first identified in a Crookes tube, and so described by Sir William Crookes in 1879 (he called it "radiant matter").^[1]

Plasma is a partially ionized gas, in which a certain proportion of electrons are free rather than being bound to an atom or molecule. The ability of the positive and negative charges to move somewhat independently makes the plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields. Plasma therefore has properties quite unlike those of solids, liquids, or gases and is considered to be a distinct state of matter.

Naturally occurring plasmas on Earth include; Fire, lightning, ball lightning, the northern and southern lights, the ionosphere.
How lightning initially forms is still a matter of debate, which is interesting, since most people think that lightning is explained as the "rubbing of clouds" or some other "common knowledge" explanation. Lightning is still a phenomena.


Of course as muslims we know from the Quran that Allah sends down the lightning.
30:24 - And among His Signs, He shows you the lightning, by way both of fear and of hope, and He sends down rain from the sky and with it gives life to the earth after it is dead: verily in that are Signs for those who are wise.
13:12 - It is He Who doth show you the lightning, by way both of fear and of hope: it is He Who doth raise up the clouds, heavy with (fertilizing) rain!

Anyway, All the stars are made of plasma, and even the space between the stars is filled with a plasma, albeit a very sparse one (See astrophysical plasma, interstellar medium and intergalactic space), making Plasma the most common phase of matter in the universe.
The electrical conductivity of Plasma can be treated as virtually unlimited, and is more conductive than the other states of matter(metal).
Plasma (physics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I recommend giving that article a read(such topics are free from wikijew bias).

Note the blue colour.



The pagan kabbalah jews and masons worship the "blue beings"(jinn) from sirius, their rituals involve "tuning into" these blue beings(who they consider aliens), and become a hybrid species person.

The Quran tells us the following.
[114:0] In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
[114:1] Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of the people.
[114:2] "The King of the people.
[114:3] "The god of the people.
[114:4] "From the evils of sneaky whisperers.
[114:5] "Who whisper into the chests of the people.
[114:6] "Be they of the jinns, or the people."

Tells us satan/jinn whisper into our chests, and from my own personal life experience, i can safely say that, all of my oratory and words of expression are channeled from my chest area, and is kind of like a "2nd brain", i am not a hadith expert, but i think there is a hadith that talks about the chest-heart i more detail.
So it appears asthough the jinn "piggy-back" our thoughts, by connecting electrically to nerves in our chest area and try to manipulate us into shirk and other sins by "wiring" into our thoughts and feelings.
Some non-muslims, and muslims have been talking about this issue from a completely different perspective, some have even claimed to have seen them in certain situations or states of mind(drugs).
They talk about "reptilian" like entities attaching themselves to humans in the chest area, and either feeding off their emotions, or encouraging them to produce stronger emotions, almost like they get a "Charge" of energy from our emotions, and since the chest/breast area is the emotional core of humans, this would make sense that they could be literally feeding off of our electrical energy(since they are plasma beings).
I believe these things are everywhere, and possibly that each perosn on the planet has a jinn assigned to them, or they can be in 2 or more places at once. I also believe that when we submit to Allah, particularly when we pray, he sends an Angel to us, who protects our chest(and possibly connects to us) from being attached to by the jinn.

this image is from non-muslims, and their experience and interpretation of the jinn phenomena, note them possessing and connecting to the chest area.
As muslims we know that the bad jinn and satan are working to corrupt us and to keep us in the dunya, and to encourage and entice us to completely forget Allah and the akhera, the thing with the jews and masons, is they have deliberately submitted themselves to Satan, for financial and sexual pleasures, in exchange they become hybrid-jinn-human entities, who literally have lost their souls, these people, can no longer be considered human, and are actually an intraspecies predator, you can work out who they are once you understand that this is real, and what their agenda is, they absolutely worship satan, and are highly educated and "clever" they know how to manipulate our emotions.
More importantly to understand is, there are MILLIONS of them, they are infiltrated into every single part of humanity, including islam, and including this forum.
They seek to promote SHIRK amongst muslims, as well as manipulating logic and provoking emotions, once our emotions are provoked, the jinn/satan can attach themselves to us, and "piggy-back" our thoughts while they feed off our emotions, please try to keep emotionalism down, and do not be afraid to report or talk abotu certain people who say "la elaha illah allah" being one of these hybrid beings, the hybrids will often use quotes from Quran and hadith out of context like "fear allah, i am your brother and you accuse me?" and "assume good faith about your brother", and this whole mentality is widespread, and has actually made it quite easy for them to have infiltrated islam, i mean, just look at the governments...

Anyway, point of this thread was to say that the Jinn are made of Plasma, which is a highly electrically conductive FUNDAMENTAL state of matter, in it's own class amongst gas liquid and solid, and i wanted to bring this to the forefront of muslim minds because, these beings are definitely real, we cannot see them, but they are everywhere, the jews and masons have elaborate magic rituals that turn them into hybrid jinn-human species and they literally feed off our emotions and manipulate us into shirk and superstition.
Checkout this jew-hollywood movie.
"Ghost busters" they have plasma-weapons that can destroy the ghosts(jinn).

See the lightning bolt coming out of the gun?

I also don't care what some "scholars" say about sleep paralysis.
The time between wake and sleep, or dreaming, in the morning, when sleep paralysis and dreaming occurs, is the ideal time for jinn to attach themselves to us.
Sleep paralysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
See the artwork of this article.
I have had hybrid crypto-jews debate me on islamic forums about jinn attaching themselves to us, and when and how...
Sleep paralysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
i recommend reading that..

Anyway, keep up the salat everyone, and may Allah protect us from satan and the jinn, and keep our thoughts pure and from us!(and angels).

Salam Alaikum

[Pluma]

What about just saying that's it's a pure matter of rayb and cannot be explained by any scientific phenomenon?

[AustralianRevert]

What about just saying that's it's a pure matter of rayb and cannot be explained by any scientific phenomenon?

What exactly do you mean?
Do you think the verse saying they were made from a smokeless flame of fire is allegorical?

[abu hafs]

Can Plasma talk, listen to the Qur'an, Accept Islam ?
Jinn 72:1-15

1:

Muhsin Khan: Say (O Muhammad SAW): "It has been revealed to me that a group (from three to ten in number) of jinns listened (to this Quran). They said: 'Verily! We have heard a wonderful Recital (this Quran)!

2:

Muhsin Khan: 'It guides to the Right Path, and we have believed therein, and we shall never join (in worship) anything with our Lord (Allah).

3:

Muhsin Khan: 'And exalted be the Majesty of our Lord, He has taken neither a wife, nor a son (or offspring or children).

4:

Muhsin Khan: 'And that the foolish among us [i.e. Iblis (Satan) or the polytheists amongst the jinns] used to utter against Allah that which was wrong and not right.

5:

Muhsin Khan: 'And verily, we thought that men and jinns would not utter a lie against Allah.

6:

Muhsin Khan: 'And verily, there were men among mankind who took shelter with the masculine among the jinns, but they (jinns) increased them (mankind) in sin and disbelief.

7:

Muhsin Khan: 'And they thought as you thought, that Allah will not send any Messenger (to mankind or jinns).

8:

Muhsin Khan: 'And we have sought to reach the heaven; but found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

9:

Muhsin Khan: 'And verily, we used to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing, but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.

10:

Muhsin Khan: 'And we know not whether evil is intended for those on earth, or whether their Lord intends for them a Right Path.

[suhail]

Allah says smokeless fire. If that smokeless fire is plasma or not is a matter of unseen. We do not have any conclusive knowledge about smokeless fire. So really it is the knowledge which neither for our good or bad. It is just a waste of time to discuss what that fire is because there is no way we can conclude what it is but just some speculation.

[AustralianRevert]

There was a storm here yesterday, there was lightning(plasma), it made a loud sound... but that is just to answer your first question from that perspective.

The other way is, many people are influenced by satan, in their thoughts, it "speaks" to them, and influences them to do shirk and sin. I was trying to explain that the way they can influence your thoughts and "speak" or "communicate" with you, is by connecting to your body and transmitting the information aetherically. Which to our senses, is very similar.
Afterall, has anyone ever recorded satan whispering to people? or is it always "just inside their head?"

I'm sure Jinn can make sound like how lightnign can make thunder, and i'm sure they can "telepathically" or electrically communicate/speak into our minds.

People channel jinn, they are what you call, the "mediums" in the mystic circles, the jinn often trick them into thinking they are spirits of the dead.

salam alaikum

[AustralianRevert]

Allah says smokeless fire. If that smokeless fire is plasma or not is a matter of unseen. We do not have any conclusive knowledge about smokeless fire. So really it is the knowledge which neither for our good or bad. It is just a waste of time to discuss what that fire is because there is no way we can conclude what it is but just some speculation.

I'd say it's more than speculation, and is very real possibility with good argument for it.
Plasma is or can be a "smokeless flame of fire."
Lots of things neither is good or bad for us, lots of things are waste of time.

Maybe we can make some plasma guns and blast some evil jinn if you're wanting practical application...

[Abu Abdirrahman]

Brother, do not try to understand islam with your own understanding.
Islam is understood by the Quran and the Sunnah, with the understand of them by the earlier generations of islam. If none of the scholars during the 1400 years of islam have said what you have said, and they read and understand all of the texts about jinn, do you think what your saying is true? with no basis from quran or sunnah, or any scholar?
We know from the quran and the sunnah the jinns can take form in animals such as a snake, or even human form, does plasma do that?
And we know jinns are muslim, chrisitan, jew, etc, does plasma even think? We know that the devil is a jinn, and he was in the heaven with the angels, and he spoke to ALLAH. Does plasma do that?

Please brother, advice from me, do not understand islam by reading a few translated verses and hadith with your own understanding, it's not going to work.

salaamaulaikum

[AustralianRevert]

Brother, do not try to understand islam with your own understanding.
Islam is understood by the Quran and the Sunnah, with the understand of them by the earlier generations of islam. If none of the scholars during the 1400 years of islam have said what you have said, and they read and understand all of the texts about jinn, do you think what your saying is true? with no basis from quran or sunnah, or any scholar?
We know from the quran and the sunnah the jinns can take form in animals such as a snake, or even human form, does plasma do that?
And we know jinns are muslim, chrisitan, jew, etc, does plasma even think? We know that the devil is a jinn, and he was in the heaven with the angels, and he spoke to ALLAH. Does plasma do that?

Please brother, advice from me, do not understand islam by reading a few translated verses and hadith with your own understanding, it's not going to work.

salaamaulaikum

feel free to point out any contradictions.

Plasma was only discovered/realised or whatever in 19th century.

Pretty much all of said is backed up by Quran and hadith.

Every person has a constant companion from among the jinn
Is there anything in Islam that is called the Qareen? I would like to know whether I have a Qareen. What does Islam say about this, or does it not exist at all?

Praise be to Allaah.

Yes, there is something which is called the qareen, which Allaah has caused to accompany every human being. This qareen pushes a person to do evil things and to disobey Allaah, with the exception of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as will be explained below.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“His companion (qareen) will say: ‘Our Lord! I did not push him to transgression, (in disbelief, oppression, and evil deeds), but he was himself in error far astray.’

Allaah will say: ‘Dispute not in front of Me, I had already in advance sent you the threat.

The Sentence that comes from Me cannot be changed, and I am not unjust to the slaves’”

[Qaaf 50:27-29]
Ibn Katheer said: “ ‘His companion (qareen) will say’ – Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him), Mujaahid, Qutaadah and others said: this refers to the devil who is appointed to accompany him. ‘Our Lord! I did not push him to transgression’ means, he will disown that person on the Day of Judgement, and will say, ‘Our Lord! I did not push him to transgression’ meaning, I did not lead him astray.

‘but he was himself in error far astray’ means, he was misguided in himself, receptive to falsehood and resistant to the truth – as Allaah says elsewhere (interpretation of the meaning):

‘And Shaytaan (Satan) will say when the matter has been decided: “Verily, Allaah promised you a promise of truth. And I too promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I called you, and you responded to me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me. I deny your former act in associating me (Satan) as a partner with Allaah (by obeying me in the life of the world). Verily, there is a painful torment for the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers).”’

[Ibraaheem 14:22]

The phrase ‘Dispute not in front of Me’ refers to what Allaah will say to the human and his companion from among the jinn, when they dispute before Him, and the human says, ‘O Lord, this one led me astray from the Reminder after it had come to me’ and the devil will say, ‘Our Lord! I did not push him to transgression, (in disbelief, oppression, and evil deeds), but he was himself in error far astray’ – i.e., from the path of truth.

Allaah will say, ‘Dispute not in front of Me’ meaning, in My presence. ‘I had already in advance sent you the threat’ means, I sent the warning on the lips of the Messengers, and I sent down the Books, so proof and evidence was established against you.

‘The Sentence that comes from Me cannot be changed’ – Mujaahid said, this means I have passed My judgement.

‘and I am not unjust to the slaves’ means, I do not punish anyone for the sin of another, and I only punish a person for his sin after proof has been established against him.”

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 4/227

It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no one among you but a companion from among the jinn has been assigned to him.” They said, “Even you, O Messenger of Allaah?’ He said, “Even me, but Allaah helped me with him and he became Muslim (or: and I am safe from him), so he only enjoins me to do that which is good.”

According to another report, “… There is assigned to him a companion from among the jinn and a companion from among the angels.”

Narrated by Muslim, 2814

Al-Nawawi included this in a chapter which he called: Baab Tahreesh al-Shaytaan wa Ba’thihi Saraayaahu li Fitnat il-Naas wa anna ma’a kulli insaanin Qareen (Chapter on the evil of the Shaytaan and his sending his troops to tempt the people, and the fact that there is a jinn-companion with every human being).

Al-Nawawi said:

“Fa aslamu (and I am safe from him) or fa aslama (and he became Muslim). These are two well known versions. One means ‘and I am safe from his evil and his temptation.’ The other means that ‘the qareen became Muslim and became a believer, so he does not tell me to do anything but good’.

There was some scholarly dispute as to the form of the word. Al-Khattaabi said that the word was Fa aslamu (and I am safe from him); al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad said that it was fa aslama (and he became Muslim), which is more correct, because the hadeeth says, ‘so he only enjoins me to do that which is good’.

They also disputed as to the meaning of the word fa aslama. Some said that it meant that he (the qareen) submitted and surrendered, as it was narrated elsewhere than in Saheeh Muslim, fa astaslama [he gave up and surrendered]. It was also suggested that it means that he became a Muslim and a believer. The latter is the apparent meaning. Al-Qaadi said: Note that the ummah is unanimously agreed that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was protected from the Shaytaan in physically, mentally and with regard what he said. This hadeeth contains a warning against the temptation of the qareen and his whispers and temptations. We know that he is with us so we should beware of him as much as possible.

Sharh Muslim, 17/157, 158

It was narrated from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If anyone of you is praying, he should not let anyone pass in front of him; if that person insists then he should fight him for there is a qareen with him.”

Narrated by Muslim, 506.

Al-Shawkaani said:

“The phrase ‘for there is a qareen with him’—according to al-Qaamoos [an Arabic-language dictionary] the word qareen refers to a companion; the Shaytaan always accompanies man and never leaves him. This is what is referred to here.”

Nayl al-Awtaar, 3/7

And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A

The Creation of Humans and Jinns


Allah mentions that He created mankind from clay, like that used in pottery, and created the Jinns from the tip of the flame of a smokeless fire. This was said by Ad-Dahhak from Ibn `Abbas. It was also said by `Ikrimah, Mujahid, Al-Hasan and Ibn Zayd. Al-`Awfi reported from Ibn `Abbas, "From the best part of the fire, from its smokeless flame.'' Imam Ahmad recorded that `A'ishah said that Allah's Messenger said,


«خُلِقَتِ الْمَلَائِكَةُ مِنْ نُورٍ، وَخُلِقَ الْجَانُّ مِنْ مَارِجٍ مِنْ نَارٍ، وَخُلِقَ آدَمُ مِمَّا وُصِفَ لَكُم»


(The angels were created from light, the Jinns from a smokeless flame of fire, and `Adam from what was described to you.) Muslim also collected this Hadith. Allah's statement:


[فَبِأَىِّ ءَالاءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ ]


(Then which of the blessings of your Lord will you both deny) was explained above.

Tafsir of Ibn Kathir according to www.tafsir.com

maybe when your arabic spekaing shaikhs become plasma physicists they might say jinn are plasma.

[Ibn Saeed]

this thread is a waste of space, useless talk