The 12th Imam of the Shia is Dajjal?
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- 15th July 2007 #1
The 12th Imam of the Shia is Dajjal? Asalaamu alaikum wr wb.
The 12th Imam of the Shia is Dajjal?
- Introduction
- Jewish Law
Narrated Ali ibn Ibraheem -from his father-from ibn Abi Umair-from Mansour-from Fadhl al Aour-from Abi Ubaidah who reported:
When the Qaem of the household of the Prophet appears, he will rule according to rule of David and Solomon.
Muhammad ibn Yahya-Ahmad ibn Muhammad-Muhammad ibn Sinaan-Abaan who reported: I heard Abu Abdullah[as] saying: The world will not fade away unless a person from us appears who will rule according to the rule of the family of David
AhmadAhmad ibn MuhammadIbn MahboobHisham ibn SalimAmmar as Saabati who reported: I asked Abu Abdullah [as] : On what will you rule if you are made the rulers. He replied: By the rule of God and the rule of David. And if we are confronted by a situation which we cannot solve, Gabriel (Ruh al Quds) will reveal it to us.
Muhammad ibn AhmadMuhammad ibn KhalidNazr ibn SuwaidYahya al HalabiImran ibn OueiynJaeed al HamdaniAli ibn al-Hussein [as] said: I asked him by which law will you rule? He said: By the rule of David, and if there is something which we are unaware of, Gabriel (Ruh al Quds) will reveal it to us.
Ahmad ibn Mahran[ra]Muhammad ibn AliIbn MahboobHishaam bin SalimAmmar as Saabati reported: I asked Imam Abu Abdullah [as]: By what will you rule? He replied: By the rule of God, and by the rule of David.
- Hebrew
Reported to us Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Saeed al Uqdah who said: Narrated to us Ali ibn al-Hasan at-Taymali who said: narrated to us al-Hasan and Muhammad the sons of Ali ibnu Yusuf, from Sadaan ibnu Muslim, from rajaal, from al-Mufadhaal ibn Umar who said: Abu Abdullah [as] reported: When the Imam Mahdi calls out, he will supplicate to God in Hebrew. [Al-Ghaybaa of an Numani, p.326]
- Jewish Followers
Sheikh al-Mufeed has reported in his Al-Irshaad from al=Mufadhaal ibnu Umar that Imam Abu Abdullah [as] has reported: There will appear along with Imam Mahdipeople from the tribe of Moses. [Al-Irshaad of al-mufeed at Tusi p.402]
According to Shia Hadith in Al-Kafi, the Hidden Imam learns from a book called al-Jafr, which contains the knowledge from the Israelites:
The Imams (a.s.) remained silent for a while and then said, With us there is al-Jafr (the parchment). What do they know what al-Jafr is? I then asked, What is al-Jafr (the parchment or a container) ? The Imams (a.s.) said, It is a container made of skin that contains the knowledge of the prophets and the executors of their wills and the knowledge of the scholars in the past from the Israelites. [al-Kafi, Hadith 635, Ch. 40, h 1]
- Conclusions
1. He will rule according to the system of the family of David, using the Talmud.
2. His language will be Hebrew.
3. His followers will be of the Jews and Israelites, for he is the king of the Jews.
4. The Hidden Imam learns from the Talmud which is contained in the Jafr.
- Hadith of the Ahlus Sunnah
The Prophet ( ) told us in Hadith that Allah will grant the Muslims victory over Dajjal and the Muslims will kill him and his shia; when the shia of Dajjal hide behind a tree or a stone, then the tree and the stone will say to the Muslim that there is a Jew behind me come and kill him. (Musnad Imam Ahmad #5099) Is it simply a coincidence that this Hadith uses the Arabic word shia to describe the followers of Dajjal?
The Prophet ( ) said:
To every Ummah there is a magian and the magian of this ummah are those who reject the Qadr [pre-destination]. If anyone amongst them dies, do not attend their funeral, and if anyone amongst them becomes sick dont visit them and they are Shia-tul Dajjal and it is the right of God to join them with the Dajjal. (Sunan Abi Dawoud #4072)The Shia reject the concept of pre-destination and instead have adopted the Mutazallite school of thought which shuns Qadr. And who are the descendants of the Magians other than the Persians who mix Magianism with Islam?
And perhaps most conclusive of all is the frightening Hadith in which the Prophet ( ) has said:
The Dajjal will be followed by 70,000 Jews of Isfahan, having on themselves Persian shawls. [Sahih Muslim #5227]Today, we see the military alliance between Israel and Iran. Click here for more details. Why would the Jews be wrapped with Persian shawls? Today, Persia is Shia. Shouldnt the Ahlus Sunnah be prepared to deal with this alliance between the Jews and the Persian Shia?
The Shia ask Allah to hasten the coming of their Hidden Imam who is locked up and hidden somewhere. The Prophet ( ) has promised that the Jewish Dajjal will also be locked away somewhere and hidden from the world, as reported in the narration of Tamim ad-Darri in Sahih Bukhari.
Indeed, the founder of Shiism was the Jewish Abdullah ibn Saba and the so-called savior of the Shia will be the Jewish Dajjal. Of course, we dont know this for certain and it is only a theory, but the evidence suggests that it is a highly likely scenario.
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- 15th July 2007 #2
Asalaamu alaikum wr wb.
This is EXACTLY what i was thinking a long while back.. and alhamdulillah this article has all the daleels there clearly. may Allaah reward the brothers fi dunya wal aakhirah who worked and helped on the site.
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- 15th July 2007 #3
SubhanAllah, thats a frightening theory
Wakee' ibn Jarrah once said, 'The intelligent one is he who understands the ways of Allah, not him who has understood the ways of this world.'
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- 19th March 2011 #5
Re: The 12th Imam of the Shia is Dajjal? The statement that "the 12th imam of the shi'ah is the dajjal" is misleading and not proper. Because there is no "12th imam" of the rafidhah, he never existed in the first place.
The proper way to word this would be: "When the Dajjal appears, the shi'ah/rafidhah will think that he is their 12th imam who has come out of hiding".
As for the narrations in the books of the rafidhah quoted by brother Mu'awiyah, they are clearly examples of how the Isra'iliyyat have infected the books of the rafidhah and infiltrated the beliefs of the extremists (ghulat) among them. The rafidhah themselves should be brave enough to openly and publicly explain why these narrations are found in their books, and what their stance is regarding them.
As for the identification of the "Jews of Isfahan" who will follow the Dajjal as the rafidhah themselves, I personally am not convinced of this. Because there are plenty of indications that today, inside Iran, the people are turning away from Islam altogether (or what they identify as Islam, i.e. rafidhism), and becoming atheists, agnostics, Christians, even Zoroastrians (i.e. majus). Don't be surprised also that in the near future, after the (in sha' Allah imminent) downfall of Israel, many of the Jews there emigrate to Iran (which by then will probably not be under the rule of the "mullas").
Iran, even though it is seen as the current centre of power for the rafidhah, is collapsing in on itself. Many have commented on the fact that although the rafidhah outside Iran (in Iraq, the Gulf, the subcontinent etc.) are getting more bolder and aggressive, paradoxically the Iranians themselves are turning away from shi'ism. So I think that those who are still seeing Iran as the strong "base" of rafidhism are overestimating the current state of Iran. Iran today is nothing like the Iran of the early 1980's. Wallahu a'lam.áÇ Åáå ÅáÇ Çááå ãÍãÏ ÑÓæá ÇááåÚáíåÇ äÍíÇ æÚáíåÇ äãæÊ æÝí ÓÈíáåÇ äÌÇåÏ æÚáíåÇ äáÞì Çááå
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Re: The 12th Imam of the Shia is Dajjal? salam alaykum,
exactly, neither we, nor other Shia groups (except Imamites) believe that Al-Hassan Al-'Askari had any son. We Ahl Al-Sunnah (as explained by Ibn Taymiyyah) believe in all 11 Imams, they were pious 'Ulama of the Ummah, especially Zayn Al-'Abidin, Al-Hussein, Al-Baqir, Al-Sadiq, Al-Hassan and of course 'Ali Ibn Abi Talib.
What we say is explained in min. 13:25 i.e. Rafidah gave their NON-EXISTING Imam the characteristics of the DAJJAAL thus they will most probably follow the Dajjaal, once he appears, and BELIEVE him to be the "12th Imam" who didn't exist in the first place.
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Re: The 12th Imam of the Shia is Dajjal? As an Iranian let me tell you:
Ajeeban, but Isfahan is known amongst Iranians as a hardcore Shiite city UP TO THIS DAY (even though most major cities are very anti-religious, yet not Isfahan). Majlisi is buried their, they got a notorious Hawza there (considered extremists by others). Isfahan and Qom are up to this day the most religious Rafidi cities in Iran.
Isfahan has the biggest jewish community inside IRan, and they love Iran and very few left Iran for "Israel". What you saying is true, Iranian themselves are more and more leaving everything which even smells like Islam, yet the gov. does not care, since they count on the arab lunatics in the khaleej, lebanon etc. who love Khomeini more than any Iranian on the earth. So even though Iran is collapsing from within, it is still a major threat until the very last of its days.
As for Mahdi. "Imam Zaman" is everything to Rawafidh, they already celebrate his birthday in Iran/Iraq (check google), more massive than christians celebrate the birthday of their "god. They believe him (like all the Imams) to be Haadhir Dhaahir etc.
I personally don't doubt that if the Dajjaal appears, the Rafidah will follow him straight away.Last edited by Sibawayh alFarsi; 19th March 2011 at 08:15 AM.
- 19th March 2011 #8
Re: The 12th Imam of the Shia is Dajjal? In sha' Allah the last days of the "regime of the mullas" in Iran are close. In fact, I was just reading an article the other day which stated that America and other western countries actually have commandos and special forces on the ground now inside Iran, conducting secret "special operations" against regime targets in coordination with the so-called "mujahideen-i-khalq" group. As well as that, they are constantly plotting and planning by supporting the opposition groups, spreading pro-US propaganda, and generally taking advantage of the gullible and foolish jahili Iranians who have no sense of religion, dignity or honour.Isfahan does have the biggest jewish community, and they love Iran and very few left Iran for "Israel". What you saying is true, Iranian themselves are more and more leaving everything which even smells like Islam, yet the gov. does not care, since they count on the arab lunatics in the khaleej, lebanon etc. who love Khomeini more than any Iranian on the earth. So even though Iran is collapsing from within, it is still a major threat until the very last of its days.
As you said, the "mulla regime" do indeed "count on" the Arab rafidhah. But that is because of the support, funding etc. that the Arab rafidhah get from Iran (e.g. Hizbullah, the Iraqi regime etc.). Once the situation goes out of control for the regime in Iran, then do you think that it will be possible for this support and funding to continue? Even if they have the "moral support" of the Arab rafidhah, it is the Arab rafidhah who rely on Iran for their existence, not the other way round. Once Iran (or to be more exact, the current Iranian regime) falls, it will not even be possible for the Arab rafidhah to provide any real support or help. The rafidhah will lose Iran as their main power centre, and the new centre for them will probably be in southern Iraq. In the event of a "Regime change" in Iran, many of those religious rafidhah in Isfahan might even feel that they have to emigrate to Iraq (we have heard a lot of reports over the last several years about Iranians moving to Iraq).
As for the Dajjal, the ahadith say that he will appear in the east, and there is one hadith in Musnad al-Imam Ahmad which says: "The Dajjal will come to Khuz and Kirman (i.e. Khuzestan and Kirman, 2 places in Iran as you know brother Sibawayh) with 70,000 followers whose faces are like leather shields." Another hadith narrated by Ahmad, at-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah and al-Hakim states that the Dajjal will actually appear from Khurasan (N.E. Iran). All of the hadith taken together make it very clear beyond any shadow of doubt that the Dajjal's followers in the East will be made up of Turks (look at the state of ignorance and jahiliyyah that most of the Turks in Central Asia are in), Persians (Khuz and Kirman) - most likely the secular ones as well as the jahil rafidhah - , and Jews (from Isfahan and probably elsewhere wallahu a'lam).áÇ Åáå ÅáÇ Çááå ãÍãÏ ÑÓæá ÇááåÚáíåÇ äÍíÇ æÚáíåÇ äãæÊ æÝí ÓÈíáåÇ äÌÇåÏ æÚáíåÇ äáÞì Çááå
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Re: The 12th Imam of the Shia is Dajjal? Tribes of Israel fighting alongside muslim is also in sunni sources.
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Re: The 12th Imam of the Shia is Dajjal? Sunni Hadiths also mention that the last of khawarij will follow dajjal. This added with hadiths that say of dajjal & followers coming from khorasan or east gives a interesting picture. Someone had even equated Mullah Omar's one eye with dajjals one eye. In the end its all speculation. The dooms day based polemic is a christian phenomenon.
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