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    Bismillahirrahmaanerraheem

    CLEAR PROOF that Time is Allah.

    Abu Hurayra reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (pbuh) saying: Allah the exalted and Glorious said: The son of Adam abuses Time, whereas I am The Time. In my hand are the days and nights.

    (Source: Sahih Muslim)

    As you can see, the Hadith clearly states that the Days and Nights are in the hands of Allah, but does Not say that TIME is in the hands of Allah but says ALLAH IS TIME.

    Of coruse the night and day are controled by Time, without Time the day would not turn into night and the night would not turn into day.

    The assumption that most (or all) scholars make is they think "night and day" is the SAME as Time, so they think the Hadith says ALLAH IS TIME and OWNS TIME at the same time.

    But this is not the case as the Hadith never says Allah owns Time but that He is Time, and that He controls the night and day and of course night and day are in the hands of Time and so Time is Allah.

    The Arabic clearly says that Allah says: "Ana-d-Dahr" I AM TIME. There is no room for interpretation.

    Here is another Hadith from Sahih Muslim:

    Abu Hurayra narrated that Allah's Messenger (pbuh) had said: No one of you should abuse the Time for Allah is the Time, and no one of you should call the grape a Al-Karm, for the Karm is a Muslim man.

    This Hadith is in the same chapter, the chapter of using CORRECT WORDS.

    The Prophet (pbuh) is saying that the word KARM is not really the correct word for grape but that its real meaning is a Muslim man.

    Wa'il narrated the Prophet (pbuh) saying: Do not say KARM but say al-Habla(to grapes)
    (Sahih Muslim)

    Now it is clear and obvious that the Prophet (pbuh) did not mean that Muslims OWN Karm, he meant that the word Karm really means a Muslim man and that it is the correct meaning of the word Karm.

    But in the same Hadith that the Prophet (pbuh) said TIME IS ALLAH he also said KARM IS A MUSLIM MAN, so if you think TIME IS ALLAH means Allah controls Time, then it doesnt make any sense because then it would mean that the Prophet (pbuh) was saying that Muslims control Karm so you shouldnt say Karm!!!! !!??! It is VERY CLEAR that he did not mean this.

    So clearly when he said TIME IS ALLAH, he meant TIME IS ALLAH and did not mean that He simply controls or owns Time.

    Wassalam

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    time is a created thing, ur post implies Allah and time are one and the same.

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    bro AbuQudama that is what sawt believes, that time is Allah , exalted be Allah from what he says !

    sawt worships time, that is his ilah, authubillah.

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    And they say: "What is there but our life in this world? We shall die and we live, and nothing but time can destroy us." But of that they have no knowledge: they merely conjecture: [45:24]

    According to this belief the mushriks were right , but Qur'an dismisses it as conjecture

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbuQudama View Post
    time is a created thing, ur post implies Allah and time are one and the same.
    How do you know that Time is created?

    Please bring some evidence from Qur'an or Sunnah.

    In fact logically speaking Time cant be created because you would have to say that there was a time when Time didnt exist!!!! This is impossible so Time must have ALWAYS existed. You cant say "before Time was created" because BEFORE is a part of Time so there is no "before Time" so Time must always have been in existance.

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    Assalam o alaikum,

    May Allah protect us from vain talk.

    May Allah protect us from useless arguments.

    For starters, when one of the scholars of Ummah made a mistake similar to Sawt ul Islam, he did not engage in negative theology as Sawt ul Islam and some others tend to fiddle with at times.

    And those who criticised him did not say that the scholar (may Allah have mercy on him) worshipped time or that time was his ilah. They merely said that he made a grave error.

    May Allah ease your distress and help you realise that such vain arguments would always be obstacles in your realisation of Allah. They won't get you closer to Him. They won't inspire faith. They won't help you contribute towards your growth as a believer.

    I find it hard to accept that why sane people engage in such rhetoric. Our job is easier: We are not supposed to raise a generation from scratch. We only have to follow a known path. We are not even expected to reach a defined target unlike Nabi SWS's generation. And yet, instead of rejoicing the blessings of Allah, we end up wasting our lives like this.

    I wonder why you missed out on the first part: Do not abuse time. I wonder why didn't you ponder over this. When does a person actually abuse time? When does someone blame time for say, his failure or whatever? What does it reflect about his Iman in Predestination?

    Sheikh Saleh al-Munajjid did not commit that blunder and hence Allah enabled him to realise the importance of being grateful.

    http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=9571&ln=eng&txt

    May Allah protect us from all that pleases Shaytan.

    May Allah, The Incomparable, The One Who encompasses everything, protect us from turning Him into something measurable with cheap stopwatches.

    May Allah protect our tongues, our hands, in fact everything from all fitnah for none of us would stand a chance against His Justice.

    I do not want Allah to deal with me with His Justice. I just want Him to forgive me.

    I wish I could make all of you realise this.

    Kamran
    Last edited by kamran; 16th February 2008 at 06:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abu hafs View Post
    And they say: "What is there but our life in this world? We shall die and we live, and nothing but time can destroy us." But of that they have no knowledge: they merely conjecture: [45:24]

    According to this belief the mushriks were right , but Qur'an dismisses it as conjecture
    As I explained on the other thread Refuting the Salafi belief of Allah being "only on the sky" a couple of times, Allah is not JUST Time, just as Allah is not JUST Rahman, though He is Rahman.
    So for example someone who believes that God is for just merciful and nothing else would disbelieve in Hell and thus would become a disbeliever by only believing in "the Merciful" but not in any other names and attributes of Allah.

    And if you read the Ayah in context you see that Allah mentions those who disbelieve in Allah and the hereafter and say that the passing of time simply makes them die (in other words they believe in Time but not in Allah).
    Last edited by Sawtul Islam; 16th February 2008 at 06:09 PM.

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    Sawt, what do you even know or understand of the concept of time? Did you ever consider the notion that time has no meaning before the creation of the universe and that it is a property of the physical universe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother_Mujahid View Post
    Sawt, what do you even know or understand of the concept of time? Did you ever consider the notion that time has no meaning before the creation of the universe and that it is a property of the physical universe?
    how do you "know" this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawtul Islam View Post
    how do you "know" this?
    Did I claim knowledge? I asked a question, not made an assertion. Why run from the question?

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