Alcohol: Is it originally pure or impure (najas)

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    Alcohol: Is it originally pure or impure (najas)

    as-Salaam `Alaykum,

    In general it's been said that alcohol is impure - najas or rijs - which means impure or filthy, but what are the official opinions of madhaahib (4 Schools) regarding this, and what are the arguments for or against and who has said it is or isn't pure from the major scholars?

    It seems that there is khilaaf amongst them, but either way I would like to know both sides. Sulaymaan bin Naasir al-`Ulwaan, Hafidhahullaah said alcohol in asl, or origin, is pure.

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    Re: Alcohol: Is it originally pure or impure (najas)

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    My beloved brother,

    The official stand of the four Madhabs that alcohol is impure. As a matter of fact some scholars transmitted the Ijm'aa on this fact such like al-ghazali and Ibn Abdil barr and others, though Al-Nawawi mentioned that Dawd al-dhaheri and Rabie'a stated otherwise. However, such reports need to be verified as he mentioned such reports from the words of abu al-Tayb. Nevertheless, the Ijmaa took place before and after these scholars who stated othewise, therefore, the matter is settled to become impure.

    P.S: Some recent scholars adopted an opposite view though.

    N.B: What Ibn jareer said is farfetched and cannot be proven as well about those who opposed.

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    Re: Alcohol: Is it originally pure or impure (najas)

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    Re: Alcohol: Is it originally pure or impure (najas)

    isnt the only exception for alcohol is when it is used for medicinal purposes?...correct me if im wrong....jazakallah khair...

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    Re: Alcohol: Is it originally pure or impure (najas)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ayman bin Khaled View Post
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    My beloved brother,

    The official stand of the four Madhabs that alcohol is impure. As a matter of fact some scholars transmitted the Ijm'aa on this fact such like al-ghazali and Ibn Abdil barr and others, though Al-Nawawi mentioned that Dawd al-dhaheri and Rabie'a stated otherwise. However, such reports need to be verified as he mentioned such reports from the words of abu al-Tayb. Nevertheless, the Ijmaa took place before and after these scholars who stated othewise, therefore, the matter is settled to become impure.

    P.S: Some recent scholars adopted an opposite view though.

    N.B: What Ibn jareer said is farfetched and cannot be proven as well about those who opposed.

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    Do you distinguish between alcohol which is made for human consumption and alcohol that is not?

    I understand alcohol to be najis only when it falls into the definition of khamr, when it is intended to cause intoxication, whereas as alcohol in shampoo and the like doesn't fall into that.

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    Re: Alcohol: Is it originally pure or impure (najas)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn malik View Post
    Do you distinguish between alcohol which is made for human consumption and alcohol that is not?

    I understand alcohol to be najis only when it falls into the definition of khamr, when it is intended to cause intoxication, whereas as alcohol in shampoo and the like doesn't fall into that.
    Barak Allahu feekum for this note as I assumed the clarity of the topic, however after you reply I realized that alcohol in English can refer to different elements as there is methol and ethanol or something like that. In religion, one of them is considered alcohol while the other one is not since only one of them is considered intoxiated.

    Alcohol in Islam cannot be deemed as "khamr" or "alcohol" if it is not have the attribute of intoxication. So, whenever alcohol is mentioned in religion then one need to realize that is addressing the intoxiacted drink or element only.

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    Re: Alcohol: Is it originally pure or impure (najas)

    is tobacco also najas?

    are all other intoxicants, like marijuana, also najas? if so could it be said that all khamr is najas?

    am I correct in thinking that haraam meat, wither pork or not, is also najas?

    how about if the food itself is halal, but it is made for a kaffir holiday for example, and is thus haraam to eat, does it become najas?
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    Re: Alcohol: Is it originally pure or impure (najas)

    Abu Esa Niamtullah wrote his dissatation on this issue, if anyone could locate this it would be a fascinating read. (he is of the opinion that all alcohol is pure)
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    Re: Alcohol: Is it originally pure or impure (najas)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn Jafar View Post
    is tobacco also najas?

    are all other intoxicants, like marijuana, also najas? if so could it be said that all khamr is najas?

    am I correct in thinking that haraam meat, wither pork or not, is also najas?

    how about if the food itself is halal, but it is made for a kaffir holiday for example, and is thus haraam to eat, does it become najas?
    Akhee, the argument could be made that anything haraam is hated by Allah, and for this reason we don't walk but low and humble near towns Allah has destroyed, the flesh grown on haraam must burn in the fire, and only pure speech rises up to Him, Exalted is He.

    You see, haraam turns anything whether land, food, speech, or otherwise into a hated thing, and mere association with this thing can earn one punishment, even if not consumed or possessed.

    Whether tanajjasa happens or not can be highly theoretical and debated to no end, however the status of a thing should not hinge completely on its' composition or transformation of its' composition...

    I'd be happy to look into the tanajjasa issue if you first understand this relatively important point...agree or disagree but let me know you understand it...
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    Re: Alcohol: Is it originally pure or impure (najas)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn Jafar View Post
    is tobacco also najas?

    are all other intoxicants, like marijuana, also najas? if so could it be said that all khamr is najas?
    No it is not najas and that is the Madahb of the shafi'e. Only liquieds that are intoxicate are considered Najas otherwise, if it is solid, then it is pure although would be haram.

    am I correct in thinking that haraam meat, wither pork or not, is also najas?
    Dogs and Pegs are Najas whether they are alive or dead. Other animals are pure when they are alive.

    how about if the food itself is halal, but it is made for a kaffir holiday for example, and is thus haraam to eat, does it become najas?
    No.

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