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    besides, does anyone ever wonder that, if the jews and masons can have 100% control over the saudi arabian, jordan, egyptian and gulf states governments and monarchies, that they do not have control or massive influence over the islamic "scholarship"???

    or am i too much of a noob to see this possibility?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AustralianRevert View Post
    this is jewish culture of rabbis and scholars.
    The priests bishops also had this.

    i do not idolize idols of shaikhs, mullahs and scholars.

    but thanks anyway.
    You have no idea who you're talking to!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saiful Rahman Al Afghany View Post
    You have no idea who you're talking to!!!
    who? the chief rabbinate of israel?

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    Ayman bin Khaled - I heard in the Maliki madhab the dog is not najjas?

    Because of the Ayat Sharif:

    فَكُلُواْ مِمَّآ أَمْسَكْنَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَاذْكُرُواْ اسْمَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْهِ
    "So eat of what they (dogs) catch for you, but pronounce the Name of Allah over it". {Qur'an 5:4}.

    Is that true???

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    Quote Originally Posted by AustralianRevert View Post
    Everyone knows you wash a plate if a dog licked it.
    Peoples mothers tell them this when they are children.
    "dog is dirty, don't let it lick you"
    "wash your hands after you touch the dog"
    you do not need fiqh with regards to a DOG.

    You put shaikhs and scholars up on a pedastal, and idolize them.

    BUt what woudl i know, i don't have a brain!
    You have indeed just replied to yourself and saved me the trouble.

    The Arabs say: Indeed the ignorant is the enemy of himself.

    Al-Shafie said: whenever I debate with a scholar I always win and whenever I discuss with an ignorant I always lose".

    Indeed, this is another loss I need to add to my long list of discussions.

    Just to make your visit to this thread benficial: dirty is one thing and impure is another thing and there is big difference between them!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AustralianRevert View Post
    who? the chief rabbinate of israel?
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    Yes. sorry i was a little too out of line.
    But i have good reason for being skeptical of hadeeth superstitions with the mask of "heavily supported by the greatest scholars and thinkers of all time".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saiful Rahman Al Afghany View Post
    Ayman bin Khaled - I heard in the Maliki madhab the dog is not najjas?

    Because of the Ayat Sharif:

    فَكُلُواْ مِمَّآ أَمْسَكْنَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَاذْكُرُواْ اسْمَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْهِ
    "So eat of what they (dogs) catch for you, but pronounce the Name of Allah over it". {Qur'an 5:4}.

    Is that true???
    True. only the Maliki scholars viewed dogs as pure and they relied on the hadeeths of hunting dogs and the ayaa that you quoted. However, their view is Marjouh for many reasons that this place is not the right one to discuss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mufakkir View Post
    esalam elaikum

    Why do people think dogs are impure?
    walaykum salaam

    I use to think that dogs were impure but Islaam isn't based upon a democratic decision nor on desires of scholars

    The dog as a whole is not impure, this is a innovation by the Shafi'is and Hanbalis. There's no evidence to say the dog is impure, MAYBE the saliva but not the dog itself. There's nothing that even mentions the reason behind throwing out the stuff and washing it 7 times and 1 with dirt. In Muwatta it only mentions the 7 washings but nothing about 1 with dirt. Only basis they have is an assumption based upon this hadeeth but nothing solid.

    Hanafis probably have the most logical belief, the saliva is impure and not the dog itself but even that needs evidence
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