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    If somebody takes around 40/60 minutes to fully clear their system of urine/do a big job when they go to the toilet, almost every time....

    If they cannot control that, and they know from experience if they don't take that period of time to clear their system, they will definitely have drops of urine on their clothes.....

    If they also regularly get urine drops coming out periodically during the day and feel real hardship, not imagined, but feel physically drained due to this continous problem.....

    In addition, if they know they may miss their prayers due to the time they take in the toilet....

    I've read in Fiqh-Us-Sunnah, Combining the two prayers due to some illness or other excuse:

    Ahmad, Qadi Hussain, al-Khattabi, and al-Mutawali of the Shaf'i school are of the opinion that it is allowed to combine two prayers, either during the time of the earlier or later salah, due to illness as it is a greater hardship than rain. An-Nawawi says: "This is a strong opinion based on [sound] evidence." In al-Mughni it is stated: "The illness which permits one to combine the prayers is the one which would otherwise cause hardship and more weakness [if he prayed each salah separately]."

    Anyway, this is not a case of just wiswas, or looking for feeble excuses to get out of performing salah at its proper time, time and time again, urine drops have been seen on clothes after salah has been offered. So, urine realy does come out regularly.

    What should be done in this scenario? To clean ones clothes would mean that would need to be done virtually throughout the day, which is not easy.

    It's embarrassing but this has lead to me now combining my salah. I have tried attaching a cloth to the relevant private part, but it doesn't always stay in place when moving around, which defeats the whole purpose of using such a cloth in the first place.

    I've read various fatwa which advise making wudhu at the time of every salah and not worrying about what comes out, if it's not practical/easy to clean your clothes each time the problem occurs.

    The thing is, if that was done, my clothes would definitely have urine on them. But when I combine them, the clothes stay cleaner, because I take my time before offering them. The issue is if I take that time in the toilet before each separate salah, it is very difficult.

    Also from a fatwa on Islamqa.com, it stated: If it is too hard for you to do wudoo’ and wash your clothes for every prayer, then it is permissible for you to join Zuhr and ‘Asr and pray them with one wudoo’ at the time of either of them, and to join Maghrib and ‘Isha’ likewise, whether that is in your house or elsewhere.

    Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 24/14:

    Those who are sick or suffering from istihaadah may join their prayers.

    Any advice would be appreciated, inshallah.
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    It seems you suffer from a serious condition, you need to go see a doctor soon as possible.

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    Jazah kallah khairun.

    My brother is a doctor, he has said I'm not ill. The colour of my urine is normal, no blood or abnormal stuff is emitted. My health is otherwise ok.

    I lost a bit of weight and changed my diet a few years ago, and that's when it started.

    Allah (SWT) knows best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asifkhan View Post
    Jazah kallah khairun.

    My brother is a doctor, he has said I'm not ill. The colour of my urine is normal, no blood or abnormal stuff is emitted. My health is otherwise ok.

    I lost a bit of weight and changed my diet a few years ago, and that's when it started.

    Allah (SWT) knows best.
    I think you need a second opinion, doctors can be wrong. In fact if you have acute retention, you will have to go to emergency department, as prolonged delay could cause bladder damage. You may need a catheter.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditio...tention1.shtml

    http://www.emedicine.com/aaem/topic466.htm

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    I'l ask my brother about it again, inshallah. Thank you.

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    Yes good advice get a second opinion, as there is also the danger of the urine backing up to the kidneys and doing some damage there.
    May Allaah cure you of this ameen.
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    Assalamu'alaikum,

    asifkhan, check my private message at the top of the webpage...

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    A lot of these problems are psychological. If you think you will take 40 minutes to go to the toilet then there's a good chance you'll end up spending that long - don't think about things too much. Urine flows naturally and stops naturally. What some people think appears to be a urine problem (or even urinary incontinence) when they think they are leaking a few drops is just most times a case of some urine being trapped due to the shape of the urethra which can be pushed out by putting 2 fingers behind your scrotum bag and your thumb on the base of your private part - just like holding a pen and then squeezing and pushing to the front of your private part the trapped urine. Do it a couple of times whilst washing away after each time and this will save you the problem of excess urine coming out. Although as far as I have read some consider doing things of these nature i.e. holding private part and milking out urine etc. as extremities and Bid'ah Ibn Al-Qayyim points out in Zad-Ul Ma'ad. From personal experience I feel that if I don't do the above method that it's inevitable something will exit. Also coupled with this method after washing your private part it is best to sprinkle your underpants with water as is reported from the Prophet (saw) and his beloved companions so that when do you get suspicious/doubtful as to whether you have leaked any excess urine - which is most likely going to whispers from the accursed Shaytaan - you will think it is because of the water you sprinkled. Believe me relax and adopt this method - don't look into things too deeply - this is the religion of ease.

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    Jazah kallah khairun. I agree, it is partly psychological, and the technique you mention of squeezing out the excess is something I use.

    But if we put the whispers to one side, I can say 9 times out of 10, when I have felt sure something came out of me during salah and checked for it, I have seen stains of urine on my underwear, therefore it is not simply whispers, but reality.

    I see 2 options. I do what some scholars say e.g. if this is a consistent problem, you're excused from the drops of urine, because it is beyond your control and you do your salah separately, regardless of what comes out after your wudhu, especially if washing your clothes or to keep clean clothes just for salah is too hard to do.

    Or I can combine salah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asifkhan View Post
    But if we put the whispers to one side, I can say 9 times out of 10, when I have felt sure something came out of me during salah and checked for it, I have seen stains of urine on my underwear, therefore it is not simply whispers, but reality.
    Maybe it's just the water left behind after you washed your private part after relieving yourself. If you are sure that you have cleaned yourself properly after answering the call of nature you don't have to - actually you shouldn't be checking yourself to see whether you have leaked anything no matter how high your suspicions unless you are certain as the midday sun - this is going to extremes and from the Shaytaan.
    The following links might be useful insha'Allah -
    http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=89888&ln=eng
    http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=96834&ln=eng

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