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    Default how to refute ash'rahis??

    a friend of mine has asha'iarh and ahbaash family member and they ask her weird questions as she is the only one in her family who follows the Aqeedah of Ahlu Sunnah so, she was asking me this question about the Tafseer of the verse [And the Face of your Lord full of Majesty and Honour will abide forever] (26:27)

    because we affirm the Names and Attributes of Allaah 'bila kayfiyah'! they tell her that why do the Ahlu Sunnah not take the apparent meaning here and trans this to mean 'essence' and not face?? cause that would sound wrong? And therefore we shouldnt trans the attributes at all...ash'ari nonsense!etc



    I know that its because we take the meaning Allaah and his Messenger SallAllaahu alyhi wasalam intended and as understood by his companions and the salaf, so we translate where there is evidence to do so! But need more clarity and evidence of what was said bout this verse.


    Need If not a scholars response a student of knowledges response!!

    and also she asked me something about Imam Abu Hanifah having ash'ari thought?? but repenting later??
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    problem is when you translate something to another language maybe in that language the word closest to the meaning can have others meanings. the word wajh in english has the best meaning as face but in english face can mean a mans face, or face on a watch, it can be a verb like to face something which means to turn toward something, there are expressions like face value or to save face. so when translating there has to be more explanation. that is why we say Allah has a face but not like the face of humans or anything that we can imagine. always translations will need more explanation along with it.

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    Barakallaahu feek.... i dono why there are two posts...weird

    here is the other post...
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    First learn how to spell the word
    Secondly, laymen such as yourself and your friend have no business in "refuting" or even discussing such matters. Leave it to those whose business it is.
    Thirdly, did you truly name your daughter Taymiyyah?

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    Default Re: how to refute ash'rahis??

    Quote Originally Posted by Salamat View Post
    First learn how to spell the word
    True

    Quote Originally Posted by Salamat View Post
    Secondly, laymen such as yourself and your friend have no business in "refuting" or even discussing such matters. Leave it to those whose business it is.
    So true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salamat View Post
    Thirdly, did you truly name your daughter Taymiyyah?
    That's like asking: Was the name of Ibn Taymiyyah's parent/grandparent really Taymiyyah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salamat View Post
    First learn how to spell the word
    Thanks , would be helpful if you spell it correctly for me!!


    Secondly, laymen such as yourself and your friend have no business in "refuting" or even discussing such matters. Leave it to those whose business it is.

    How about if we dont want to remain layman anymore??

    Thirdly, did you truly name your daughter Taymiyyah??

    You should ask yourself is that a girls name to begin with!!!..and btw i posted the question here to discuss it with respectful students of knowledge on this forum!!
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    Athari vs. Ashari debate resumes?

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    Default Re: how to refute ash'rahis??

    barakallaahu feeki for the naseeha....you noe who you are...just to clarify...i was being sarcastic with this
    How about if we dont want to remain layman anymore??
    ...and was avoiding the simile...

    as i said in the question the sister isn't putting on some face-time debate or anything but she needs to put up with a family with this mentality may Allaah make it easy for her....and she needed some guidelines...so ain't tryna seek knowledge on a forum but just wanted to get some insight and was impatient and couldn't wait for our Friday class to raise the question to people of knowledge!...Allaahuma 'alimnaa ma yanfa'una wa naf'anaa bima 'alamtanaa wa zidnaa 'Ilmaa wal hamdulillaah 'ala kuli haal!
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    Default Re: how to refute ash'rahis??

    If the debate hasn't been won by either side for the last millenia, you can't really expect to win it today.

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    Subhan'Allah the Ashari's are made out to be some deviant sect!

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