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iERA DAWAH TEAM RESPONDS TO INTERNATIONAL ATHEISM

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    Quote Originally Posted by imuslim View Post
    I was referring to brother Hamza's lectures in some universities and lecture halls, the video quality isn't that great. Or maybe IERA wasn't involved in recording and it must have been the ISOC team.
    Majority of those recordings are nothing to do with iERA, rather the organisations that invited him for the talks/debates.
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    Is this from the recent event? Who is asking the question?

    *Edit* Sounds like brother Adnan Rashid.

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    Where's Hamza?!?!

    This isn't it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umm Raiyah View Post
    Where's Hamza?!?!

    This isn't it!
    Yes it is. That is the Atheist convention. That was Br Adnan Rashid asking the question to Richard Dawkins. However I don't know who took that recording though.
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    can you provide a link to his facebook page?

    May Allah reward them emmensely, such a high pressure mission, right in the heart of the kuffar, an atheist convention, mashAllah thats increibly bravery and effort and I defo couldnt do that myself, so may Allah reward them abdunantly, I was amazed when I heard they were doing this, they truely are teh lions of the dawah in the UK.

    Sister I agree, this is very exciting indeed. I cant believe they challenged the worlds leaders in atheistic thought like this

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    did anyone notice richard dawkins contradict himself. He said he doesnt believe existence came about by chance, and nor was it created, but he then failed to explain what the third option is, and instead sidetracked talked about evolution and beginings of the universe (which are both related to chance anyway) but dont really explain how existence actually exists, i.e. why is there simply nothing?

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    Mashallah - iERA is an organisation that every Muslim should be proud of!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamza patterson View Post
    Yes it is. That is the Atheist convention. That was Br Adnan Rashid asking the question to Richard Dawkins. However I don't know who took that recording though.

    Oh, sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawud View Post
    can you provide a link to his facebook page?


    Sister I agree, this is very exciting indeed. I cant believe they challenged the worlds leaders in atheistic thought like this
    If you type Hamza Tzortzis facebook, you'll see it.


    I know, it's well exciting, especially knowing that Richard Dawkin's going to be there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Boo View Post
    Dawkins' response here was nothing more than a straw man plus a red herring.

    The straw man is that the brother specifically asked him to offer a response to the design of the universe, and but he simply replied "It is an illusion" without offering any reason to back up his claim except that evolution explains order and complexity in living creatures, which obviously is far different question than the design of the universe. This same tactic is used in his books. For example, The Blind Watchmaker professes to unravel the apparent design of the universe, but in fact all it describes is the evolution of life. Yet he knows very well that the evidence for the fine-tuning of the universe is astronomical (and is far more significant to the debate about design than the issue of evolution) and he admits so but simply dismisses it with with the faith claim that science will substantiate a naturalistic explanation that doesn't recourse to supernatural ones.

    The red herring is his distracting from the issue with his tangent about the rejection of evolution in a Muslim school (which is also cherry-picking). While I agree that wholesale rejection of the theory is not the correct approach, it has to be noticed that people like him who insist that evolution - a mere scientific process of development and diversification that occurs in organisms - necessarily leads to atheism, are part of the problem. This man was the Professor for Public Understanding of Science at Oxford, but instead of facilitating public understanding of scientific issues, he was far more interested in propagating his own ideology under the guise of science. Michael Ruse, a famous philosopher of science, and himself both a Darwinist and an atheist, called Dawkins and the other New Atheists out on this: Why I Think the New Atheists are a Bloody Disaster - Science and the Sacred
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