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    Marriage of Aisha (may God be pleased with her)


    Aisha said;



    When a girl
    [jaariyah] reaches [balaghat] 9 years old [tis'a sineen], then she is [fa hiyya] a woman [imra'ah]

    (Recorded in Sunan al Tirmidhi, Kitab al Nikah [Book on Marriage] 1027).




    Imam Al-Nawawi said:

    Aisha said;


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    Aishah said: The Messenger of Allah (Muhammad) married me when I was six years old and was with me (i.e. began to live together) when I was 9 years old.

    Malik (Ibn Anas), Imam Abu Hanifa and Ash-Shafiie (ALL respected scholars of Islam) have said: A Restriction Limit [arabic: hadd] (should be placed between marriage partners until maturity) that is able for (tuTeeq = able to handle) Sexual intercourse. (al jamaa')

    Al-Dawudi said: And Aishahs body had been matured. [i.e. reached good Youthfulness (Shabaaban husna)] may Allah be pleased with her

    (Sharh al-Nawawi 9/207 [Explanation of Sahih Muslim]).




    LiveScience.com says:

    There is a range, and this has been part of the problem of establishing the normal age of puberty. Girls might enter full-blown puberty anytime between ages 9 and 15. (LiveScience.com, The Truth Behind Early Puberty | LiveScience)



    Young women will differ in
    Balaaghah (physical maturity) depending on a range of factors, especially depending on Where they Live and their Biological makeup;


    The average temperature of the country or province is considered the chief factor here, not only with regard to menstruation but as regards the whole of sexual development at puberty.

    Reference: (Herman H. Ploss, Max Bartels and Paul Bartels; Women: An Historical, Gynecological, and Anthropological Compendium,Volume I, Lord & Bransby, 1988, p.563;Woman. An historical, gynaecological and anthropological compendium. Volume 3 only by PLOSS, Herman Heinrich, BARTELS, Max & BARTELS, Paul Find or Buy Book Now!)





    Marriage to a Man who is 54?

    What we see is that the age of the man is largely irrelevant to the question, so long as he is still reasonably within the age of marriage. Prophet Muhammad had only around 12 white hairs when he passed away at the age of 63, and his description [see Shama'il Al Tirmidhi (Shamil al-Muhammadiyyah (Description of Prophet Muhammad) by Ab Is at-Tirmidh)] proves he was not physically frail like some people may think.

    Any marriage by a people is based on the cultural norms of the time. The marriage should be based on social norms. The Prophet Muhammad married according to the social norms of his society (marriage of younger women to older men was the norms), and we marry according to the social norms that we live in. Social norms are not a problem, so long as they do not contradict firmly set ethics, and it has been proven above that this marriage did not cause any harm to Aisha whatsoever, but caused a great deal of good. Every other marriage should be judged individually based on its own circumstances.



    Conclusion

    The word Paedophilia is a subjective term. Some countries legalise marriage at the age of 16, others legalise it earlier and and others later. So in one country youre a paedophile and in another youre not? Who decides?

    There needs to be One firm ethical rule; If there will be harm in a marriage and intimate relations, such a person should not have intimate relations. If there will be no harm then it is perfectly suitable for such a young adult to get married of their choice.

    If you question how one can figure this out?, it is clear from seeing signs of their physical growth, aswell as seeing how this young adult is mentally and emotionally. If they are suited for it then it is their right to go ahead with such a marriage relationship.




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    • The age of consent in Delaware was 7 until 1973


    "During the 19th century, states gradually raised the age of consent, in some cases to 21. However, in Delaware the age of consent was seven until it was raised to 16 in 1973".
    Growing Up Sexually in The United States

    "Throughout most of the 19th century, the minimum age of consent for sexual intercourse in most American states was 10 years. In Delaware it was only 7 years".
    Partners Task Force - Marriage History - Peterson



    • The Church put it also at 7


    The Roman tradition served as the base for Christian Europe as well as the Christian Church itself which generally, essentially based upon biological development, set it at 12 or 14 but continued to set the absolute minimum at seven.
    http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all?content=10.1300/J056v16n02_03



    • British Common Law put it also at 7


    Children below the age of seven were incapable of marrying. After the age of seven they might marry, but the marriage was voidable until they were able to consummate the marriage, which the law presumed to be at age fourteen for boys and twelve for girls
    Common Law Marriage Article. New York Divorce and Family Law, the definitive site about divorce, child support and custody.

    At common law, a marriage contracted under the age of consent was not regarded as void, but only as an imperfect marriage, valid until voided by the parties after their arrival at the age of consent...
    MARRIAGE OF MINORS. - THE NEW LAW FIXING THE AGE OF CONSENT--CRIMINAL LIABILITY OF CLERGYMEN AND MAGISTRATES. - Letter - NYTimes.com

    Historically, the attitude of the English common law was that a person under seven years of age lacked the mental ability to consent to marriage, and that between seven years and puberty there could be consent but not consummation. At common law, the marriage of a person between the ages of seven and 12 or 14 was inchoate and would become choate on reaching puberty, if no objection was raised.
    family law -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

    "Any marriage, however, occurring between the age of 7 years and the age of consent was merely voidable, but a marriage where one or both of the parties were under the age of 7 was void and without legal significance".
    Advisory Legal Opinion - Issuance of marriage license to persons under 18



    • Age of consent in history


    "The common law, from which America gets much of its precedents in the legal field, set the age of consent at age ten. California was one of the first states to raise the age of consent. It raised it from 10 to 14 in 1889".
    Comments and Editorials on the Age of Consent

    Ages from 10 to 13 were typically acceptable in western countries during the mid-19th century". {Waites, Matthew (2005) The Age of Consent: Young People, Sexuality and Citizenship, (New York States and Houndmills,: Palgrave Macmillan) ISBN 1-4039-2173-3}
    Age of consent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Traditionally in pre-modern societies, AAFM [age at first marriage] for girls corresponded with the visible onset of puberty. In these early societies, high mortality rates demanded an offsetting high-birth rate. As a result, younger marriages were required to facilitate population growth". ("The Age of Marriage in Ancient Rome")
    education.publications.bryn-mawr-classical-review - BMCR 2006.05.29, The Age of Marriage in Ancient Rome - msg#00028 - Recent Discussion OSDir.com

    "DeMause (1990) pointed to child marriage [being] widespread in Russia well into the nineteenth century". (G.U.S.: World Atlas).
    GUS



    • What is puberty?


    "The time when a childs body becomes sexually mature".
    (Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary).

    "Puberty: 'the time of life in which the two sexes begin first to be acquainted' [Johnson], 1382, from O.Fr. pubert, from L. pubertatem (nom. pubertas) 'age of maturity, manhood,' from pubes 'adult, full-grown, manly."
    Online Etymology Dictionary

    Puberty is defined as the age or period at which a person is first capable of sexual reproduction, in other eras of history, a rite or celebration of this landmark event was a part of the culture. (Rites of Passage: Puberty, by Sue Curewitz Arthen).
    Rites of Passage: PUBERTY


    • When does puberty start?


    "Usually, this starts to happen no earlier than about 7 to 8 years of age for girls and 9 years of age for boys".
    Precocious Puberty

    "Precocious puberty is puberty that begins before age 8 years for girls and before age 9 years for boys".
    Precocious Puberty

    "Although puberty usually starts between ages 8 to 13 in girls, it may start earlier or later".
    http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/ECont...LS+&cid=HTHLTH

    Its estimated that one out of six girls aged eight may be entering puberty. A groundbreaking US study on 17,000 girls found that 27% of African-American and almost 7% of Caucasian girls had the onset of secondary sexual characteristics, i.e., either breast development or pubic hair development, by the age of seven. By the time the girls turned 8 years-old, 15% of Caucasian girls and 50% of Afro-American girls were starting puberty.
    Nutritional Information

    "Although most children begin puberty between the ages of 10 and 12, it can start at any age from 8 to 16. The most obvious determining factor is gender; on average, puberty arrives earlier for girls than boys.
    Puberty - page 2 | Encyclopedia of Psychology

    In fact, two University of Chicago researchers, Dr. Martha K. McClintock, a biopsychologist, and Dr. Gilbert Herdt, an anthropologist, say that puberty may actually begin around the age of 6.
    Puberty May Start at 6 As Hormones Surge - NYTimes.com

    "Studies undertaken since 1990s indicate that the normal onset of puberty may be occurring at a younger age in girls in developed countries and that therefore the age of precocious puberty for girls may be as low as 6 or 7.
    reproductive system disease -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia


    • What is menstruation?


    "In this way a girl starts her next phase of woman hood. It is this period when menstruation starts and marks the beginning of the reproduction cycle in her life".
    Home Remedies for Menstruation, Treatment, Causes, Symptoms

    "On reaching menstruation cycle a womans body becomes mature and capable of bearing a child."
    Menstruation & Menstrual Cycle Information

    "Getting your period" marks a rite of passage for young girls entering womanhood.
    http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/aishamarriage.pdf

    "Dont be surprised if your nine-year-old daughter will have her menarche that early".
    http://www.herword.com/healthdesk/ot...s10.28.03.html



    • Menstruation starts earlier in warmer climates


    "There was a study conducted showing that girls who live in countries close to the equator started their menstruation earlier".
    http://www.herword.com/healthdesk/ot...s10.28.03.html

    "Albrecht von Haller, for example, claimed that girls in the southerly regions of Asia, where the climate was warm, were marriageable in their eighth year and gave birth in their ninth or tenth year; conversely, women in Arctic regions did not menstruate until age 23 or 24".
    The Cambridge World History of Food - Google Books

    "The average temperature of the country or province is considered the chief factor here, not only with regard to menstruation but as regards the whole of sexual development at puberty".
    http://www.biblioz.com/lp25762280577_207.html


    • Sexual Maturity


    "Remarkably, the mean age of phenotypic expression of sexual orientation, assessed in terms of the age of the first romantic/sexual attraction to another person, was constant at approximately 10 years"
    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...n8795272/pg_8/

    "Using data from three separate studies, they said that sexual attraction first manifested itself in the fourth grade, from the ages of 9 to 10".
    Puberty May Start at 6 As Hormones Surge - NYTimes.com

    There are new guidelines for pediatricians that are guaranteed to shock: girls who start to develop breasts and pubic hair at age six or seven are not necessarily "abnormal" (Kaplowitz, et al., 1999). In fact, by their ninth birthday, 48% of African American girls and 15% of white girls are showing clear signs of puberty.
    http://www.center4research.org/children11.html

    "You grow taller. Your shoulders and hips may broaden. Your breasts grow. You grow hair under your arms and pubic hair. You may already have started having periods. Blood comes out of your vagina for a few days, usually about once a month. It means you are now able to conceive, so male spermatozoa can make you pregnant".
    Puberty: physical changes



    • A 9 year old girl in Malaysia gives birth to a child


    negenjaar.jpg

    "The New Straits Times", Malaysia, 10 Maart 2001.
    http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4531/negenjaar.jpg




    • Marrying young was common


    Marriage in Medieval Europe...On average, males married in their mid-twenties, and females in their early teens shortly after puberty.
    History of Marriage in Western Civilization

    For most girls in Byzantium, childhood came to an abrupt end with the onset of puberty, which was usually soon followed by betrothal and marriage. Early marriage and procreation of children was the norm in Byzantium...
    http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare...ial/women.html

    Age of Consent throughout history has usually coincided with the age of puberty although at sometimes it has been as early as 7.
    http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all?content=10.1300/J056v16n02_03


    • A few examples from history...


    King Richard II
    richardj.jpg
    "In 1396 the king married Isabella of France, then only seven years of age".
    GENUKI: Kings of England - R
    http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/219/richardj.jpg


    King Edward I of England
    edwardpr.jpg
    "In 1254, Edward travelled to Spain for an arranged marriage at the age of 15 to 9-year-old Eleanor of Castile".
    http://www.royal.gov.uk/Historyofthe...ongshanks.aspx
    http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9240/edwardpr.jpg

    Saint Augustine
    augustine.jpg
    "At the age of thirty-one, Augustine betrothed himself to a ten-year-old girl".
    Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse
    http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4333/augustine.jpg



    Girolamo Riario
    girolamo.jpg
    "Caterina Sforza was betrothed aged 9yo, married aged 14yo, and gave birth aged 15yo".
    Women of History: Medieval Marriage & Childbirth



    King Denis of Portugal
    dennisz.jpg
    "(Saint Elizabeth of Portugal) was married when she was a mere 12 years old to King Denis of Portugal".
    Elizabeth of Aragon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1725/dennisz.jpg


    Prince Edward of Wales
    http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9943/edwarddo.jpg
    "This would make Isabella (Prince Edward's wife) seven years old at the time of her betrothal".
    http://www.randomhouse.co.uk/catalog...ata=0712641947



    Henry VIII
    henryy.jpg
    "Mary Stewart married Henry VIII when she was only six".
    http://infad.usim.edu.my/modules.php...ticle&sid=8840
    http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7499/henryy.jpg


    King Adronikos I Komnenos
    andron.jpg
    "Andronikos, now (1183 - 64 years old) sole emperor, married Agnes of France, a child twelve years of age".
    Andronikos I Komnenos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9845/andron.jpg


    Stephen Milutin
    stephenn.jpg
    "Serbias Stephen Milutin (r. 1282-1321) (at that time 50 years old) had conquered Byzantine lands, and Andronicus made peace with him by giving him his five-year-old daughter Simonis in marriage in 1299".
    Crusaders and Byzantine Decline 1250-1453 by Sanderson Beck
    http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/374/stephenn.jpg

    Richard of Shrewsbury
    http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3466/aaaaym.jpg
    "On the 15th January 1478 at St. Stephen's Chapel in Westminster, the five year old Anne (Mowbray of Norfolk) was married to the four year old Richard (King Edward IV's son)".
    Anne Mowbray@Everything2.com




    • Royals married young...


    "It is clear, in any event, that daughters of the nobility married young...a relatively high age of marriage among women was non-existent among the medieval nobility". (A History of Women in the Middle Ages, p.136).
    The Fourth Estate: A History of Women in the Middle Ages - Shulamith Shahar - Google Books

    "For many noble-born or royal women of Europe, marriage could and often did take place at a young age. There are many instances or very young girls being betrothed and married under the age of 10 years old".
    Women of History: Medieval Marriage & Childbirth



    • Life-expectancy was low


    In Rome and medieval Europe the average life span is estimated to have been between 20 and 30 years.
    old age -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

    "Life expectency during the Bronze Age was 18 years".
    Life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In 1796, life expectancy hovered around 24 years.
    This Wonderful Lengthening of Lifespan

    Throughout most of human history, death came at an early age - 25 to 30 years was a typical lifespan.
    It's Getting Better All the Time: 100 Greatest Trends of the Last 100 Years - Stephen Moore, Julian Lincoln Simon - Google Books

    "For most of human history mortality was high and life expectancy low (between 20 and 30 years at birth)...
    Commentary: The pitfalls of policy history. Writing the past to change the present

    "Human life expectancy was in the 20s a thousand years ago". ("Guardian")
    Ray Kurzweil: Bring on the nanobots, and we will live long and prosper | Comment is free | The Guardian


    • Statistics


    Half of all new HIV infections occur among adolescents.
    Troubled Teen Statistics - Troubled Teens

    Over half of all new HIV infections in the United States occur in adolescents.
    Preventing Teenagers from Getting Contraceptives Unless They Tell a Parent Puts Teens at Risk | American Civil Liberties Union

    According to some sources, for example, seven per cent of American children now have sex even before they have become teenagers.
    http://www.unicef-irc.org/publicatio.../repcard3e.pdf

    In up to 50 percent of reported cases, offenders are adolescents.
    Child Sexual Abuse I: An Overview
    Child Sexual Abuse I: An Overview




    • In old civilisations....


    "Durry (1955a/b/c, 1956) had argued that Roman girls were married before puberty, that puberty was not important in fixing the age of marriage, and that such early marriages were consummated before puberty".
    (Janssen, D.F.; Oct 2002. G.U.S.. Volume I: World Reference Atlas. Interim Report. Amsterdam, The Netherlands).
    Growing Up Sexually in Europe: Historical Matters

    "Flacelire (59) also mentioned that girls could marry as soon as puberty hit".
    (Daily Life in Greece at the Time of Pericles).
    The History of Marriage

    "Women were marriageable right after puberty, marriage arrangements were made while they were in infancy; they were wed at the age of twelve or fourteen to men in their twenties or thirties".
    http://www.molloy.edu/sophia/med_ren/med_text.htm

    "The father of a girl was obliged by Hindu law and by custom of the country to marry her before she attained puberty, though cohabitation was often delayed, an average of three years". ("The Oriental, the Ancient, and the Primitive", Page 208).
    The Oriental, the Ancient, and the Primitive: Systems of Marriage and the ... - Jack Goody - Google Books

    "Among the Ordos Mongols, children are sometimes betrothed even before birth. This custom, called eŭndege in swie (Match-making before birth), is thought by the Mongols to be of very nacient origin ... The actual age of marriage today [1938] varies a great deal, from four or five years to sixteen or seventeen, the average or ordinary age being fifteen". (G.U.S.: A World Atlas).
    GUS

    Most [Aztec] girls were married (cohabiting) well before the age of puberty ... Children became adults upon marriage, and most children above the age of 10 years were married. Females married very young". (G.U.S.: A World Atlas).
    GUS

    "The average age for girls to enter puberty was 12 to 13, and around 14 for boys We find documentation of brides being as young as 8".
    Egypt: Marriage in Ancient Egypt



    • WHAT is pedophilia?


    "Pe.do.phil.ia n [NL] (1906): sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object -- pe.do.phil.i.ac or pe.do.phil.ic adj." (Merriam Webster?s Collegiate Dictionary).

    "Pedophilia is defined as the fantasy or act of sexual activity with PREPUBESCENT children."
    Diagnosis Dictionary - | Psychology Today

    "Sexual urges or behaviors involving sexual activity with a PREPUBESCENT child".
    Pedophilia

    "Pedophile: Also spelled PEDOPHILIA, psychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical pedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship". (Encyclopedia Britannica).


    • WHAT is a child?


    "A person between birth and puberty".
    "The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition". 2000.
    Bartleby.com: Great Books Online -- Quotes, Poems, Novels, Classics and hundreds more


    • Only children carry dolls?


    Dolls were not strictly limited to children alone. Examples of female adults carrying or possessing dolls are also noted during the medieval period. Children also must have played with whatever was at hand.
    http://hti.math.uh.edu/curriculum/un...3/05.07.13.php

    "The toy dolls that existed before the 1700's served chiefly as playthings for adults as well as for childrenThe first dolls specifically for children probably were made in the 1700's". ("How Stuff Works")
    HowStuffWorks "Sports Channel"

    Many young girls in early elementary school are developing breasts and pubic hair at a time when they are still playing with dolls and Junior Monopoly, and are too young to understand the emotional mood swings and other symptoms of adolescence.
    http://www.center4research.org/children11.html


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    • Pedophilia in the Jewish Talmud


    "A girl of the age of three years and one day may be betrothed by intercourse". {Niddah 44B}.
    Babylonian Talmud: Niddah 44

    "Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her, she becomes his". {Sanhedrin 55B}.
    Babylonian Talmud: Sanhedrin 55

    "A proselyte who is under the age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest, for it is said: "But all the women children that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves" ... A proselyte whose age is three years and one day should also be permitted ... Consequently it must be said that Scripture speaks of one who is fit for cohabitation." {Yebamoth 60B}.
    Babylonian Talmud: Yebamoth 60

    "From the age of eleven years and one day to the age of twelve years and one day. One who is under or over this age must carry on her marital intercourse in a normal manner". {Niddah 45A}.
    Babylonian Talmud: Niddah 45

    "If a girl, whose period to see [blood] had not arrived yet, got married, Beth Shammai say: One gives her four nights, and the disciples of Hillel say: Until the wound is healed up". {Kethuboth 6}.
    Babylonian Talmud: Kethuboth 6


    • A Jewish Fatwa (AskMoses.com)


    "In ancient (and not so ancient) times however, marriage was often-times celebrated at a rather young age. Although we do not follow this dictum, technically speaking, a girl may be betrothed the moment she is born, and married at the age of three. A boy may betroth and marry at the age of thirteen".
    What is the minimum age of marriage according to Jewish law? - life cycle marriage about


    • In Hindu Scriptures:


    Manu Smriti - Sanskrit Text With English Translation
    Go to: Manu-Smriti 9/94 - also: "Nand 17", "Basham 167", "Yadav 70", "Altekar 16" en "Banerjee 70".
    (Scan: http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/8891/manuu.jpg




    • Jewish Traditions:


    "According to Jewish religious law (halacha), which in Israel confers validity on the marriage of Jews conducted within its borders, it is possible to marry a young girl of any age, but the girl herself may decide to marry only when she has reached the age of 12 and a half".
    (U.N. Representative, Special Rapporteur to the United Nations).
    http://www.right-to-education.org/co...ge/israel.html

    "The early-marriage tradition of Israel found acceptance in Christendom, whose precocious children bedded and wedded at or even before puberty ... At the time of St. Paul, girls were married at puberty or a little before". (G.U.S.: A World Reference Atlas)
    Growing Up Sexually in the Middle-East

    "One passage that would echo long and loud for Ashkenazic Jews throughout the Middle Ages held that a man who marries off his sons and daughters near the period of puberty (samukh le-firkan) will receive the scriptural blessing: you shall know that your tent is in peace (Job 5:24), evidently understood to mean that if ones children were married, they would not succumb to sexual temptation. (Biale, 199749-50)[95] (G.U.S.: A World Reference Atlas).
    Growing Up Sexually in the Middle-East

    Age for Marriage The first positive commandment of the Bible, according to rabbinic interpretation (Maimonides, "Minyan ha-Mi ẓ wot," 212), is that concerning the propagation of the human species (Gen. i. 28). It is thus considered the duty of every Israelite to marry as early in life as possible Some urge that children should marry as soon as they reach the age of puberty". ("Jewish Encyclopedia")
    MARRIAGE LAWS - JewishEncyclopedia.com

    "In earlier days, girls got married at the age of nine[following the] custom of marrying daughters at age eight to tenif the maiden does not get married until the age of fifteen she has no hope of marriage, because she would be considered an old maidAt the end of the nineteenth century, despite these regulations, families still married their daughters at the age of twelve and thirteenOn the eve of World War I, the situation changed somewhat for the better when the legal age for marriage was raised to fifteen".
    ("Women in Judaism: A Multidisciplinary Journal")
    http://www.utoronto.ca/wjudaism/jour...2/sehayek.html




    • Christian Traditions:


    "Using natural law logic, Catholic authorities argued that the decisive factor which determined a child's readiness for marriage and sexual relations was the onset of puberty, and not necessarily age as such".
    Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse

    "Sexual intercourse which took place before marital age limits or puberty was not necessarily illicit or sinful. On the contrary, some popes ruled that intercourse below the age of twelve/fourteen had the effect of sealing a marriage contract, as long as such intercourse took place after the age of discretion, which was seven. Once intercourse had taken place, the marriage could not be annulled".
    Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse

    "In canon law, puberty normally determines marriageable age, although the minimum age for marriage is seven years, "the age of reason", when a child is deemed capable of consent".
    Carpe Corpus: Time and Gender in Early Modern France - Cathy M. Yandell - Google Books

    "St. Chrysostom warned parents to see to it that their children married soon after they reached the age of puberty".
    http://www.pinn.net/~sunshine/book-sum/medevl1.html

    "In ancient Rome, among both pagans and Christians, marriage at an early age was frequent. Betrothals often occurred even before puberty, although the consummation of marriage through intercourse usually did not take place until after the girls first menstruation. Very often, the age of discrepancy of marriage partners was great. According to one historian, the matching of a man with a woman young enough to be his daughter or even granddaughter was generally accepted.
    Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse

    "The wife was to be taken from within the larger family circle (usually at the outset of puberty or around the age of 13) in order to maintain the purity of the family line".
    http://www.theology.edu/marriage

    "It is safe to assume the bride was considerably younger than the groom, and childbearing would
    have begun shortly after puberty". ("Life in Biblical Israel", Page 58).
    Life in Biblical Israel - Philip J. King, Lawrence E. Stager - Google Books



    • Hindu Traditions


    In the ancient Hindu scriptures of 400 to 100 BC, there are strict moral laws that enjoin the father to marry off his daughter at a very young age. These religious texts indicate that the best age for a girl to get married is between is 8 and 10.
    http://www.cwin.org.np/resources/iss...d_marriage.htm

    "We find the rule, almost universally valid in the Smritis, according to which the
    nagnika i.e. a girl going naked and yet immature, is the best (wife)". (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, pp.522-523).
    Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics - James Hastings - Google Books

    "Nagnika or naked. A girl seven years old or younger. This was regarded as best age for marriage".
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    Default Re: Marriage of Aisha - BEST REFUTATION EVER!

    The fuel for the fire will always come up with something, if we show them one thing they will say something else. This is bcause they have no consistent basis of how they should establish a criteria For marriage and age of consent. Islam alhamdulillah gives us this consistent criteria to establish out principles

    Kufr is a deen of desires and these desires change over time just like their deen. They call this progression so in a few years don't be surprised if beastiality and other faisha and fasad will be argued to be something people have the right to practice.
    "Sit with one whose limbs address you, not his mouth." Sahl ibn `Abd Allah ibn Yunus, Abu Muhammad al-Tustari (d. 283), may Allah be well-pleased with him.

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    Well its simple to muslims. Does God ever command evil? Would God order a mother to put her child in a river? We do not know the wisdoms of things done. The marriage to A'ishah was in a dream, wihich is Wahiy from Allah 'Azzawajal.
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