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    Brother when did this Habib Ali Jifri thing happen, and is there video/audio of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Ayoub Al-Ansari View Post
    Wow, may Allah curse the person who lies upon fellow muslims, even if they might be incorrect. I've listened here and there to Al-Bakri's lectures and even though there might be things in fiqh I might not agree with him in Aquedah he is Salafi 100%. And with this in mind knowing that scholars of Hadeeth will be keeping a close eye on him, I don't think he'd ever do anything like, "Make up a Hadeeth." Really this shows a persons ignorance to think that there are people that can still do this nowadays and not be caught. When Habib Al-Jifry the Sufi surfer made up a hadeeth as soon as a Salafi brother saw it he caught him. And to make up Hadeeths is "KUFR" disbelief, outside the fold of Islam, cursed by this Ummah. So if you differ with the brother Okay, but be very careful with your words and your claims because this is serious business, and sense you said it you "MUST" bring proof now instead of hearsay or your causing fitnah and have lost an credibility in your arguement. Jizak Allah khair.
    Why defend people you are absolutely clueless about?

    You've never been in the UK. We have a long history with this con-artist and he has been caught lying since we was HT. He lied to me, and several other bros who were on this forum. People have made threads about this liar.

    I do not doubt for once that he could have said that to a brother... He is a compulsive liar.

    Read up about him before you defend anyone who sings 'jihad'.
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    Brother when did this Habib Ali Jifri thing happen, and is there video/audio of it?
    Assalamu 'Alaykum,
    It happened a few years back, and yes there is a video. The brother who gave me the video link is now traveling so I can't get ahold of him for a week or so, if anyone else knows the video I'm talking about please post it.

    Why defend people you are absolutely clueless about?

    You've never been in the UK. We have a long history with this con-artist and he has been caught lying since we was HT. He lied to me, and several other bros who were on this forum. People have made threads about this liar.

    Read up about him before you defend anyone who sings 'jihad'.
    Well brother singing Jihad doesn't make me defend them, but it is their Aquedah and Manhaj that makes me side with them against another person or not. I've seen from the group some bad Ikhlaq from the ASWJ forum but aside from that I haven't personally seen anything. If you don't like them because they support Jihad and are upon the manhaj of At-Tawheed wal-Jihad then I guess there isn't any arguement. I've heard about his 'Aqueda before and his affiliation with HT and what happened in the Lebnon war etc. etc. But all that being said and done, he still believes in the correct Tawheed and 'Aqueda, he still believes that Jihad "DOES" exist today, and he still believes that ruling by other than what Allah has revealed is Kufr. So what ever personal mistakes he has is minute and I would defend and prefer the worst ignorant and sinning muslim that holds the above beliefs anyday to the biggest 'Alim in the world that has momorized all the books of Hadeeth and fiqh but lacks the above and is a Sufi or a Murji'e or a government spy etc. So just summerize for me if you can and number exactly whats your problem with him? I'd like to know because yes I don't know your guy's situation out there.
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    Broal-Ansari, you have absolutely no idea about the history of OBM's 'Aqida.Manhaj and how and WHY they have changed to many different things through out the passage of time we have known him in England.

    It has nothing to do with what he believes. He will believe in whatever you want him to believe and say whatever will give him the best publicity.

    Read this thread:
    For Abuz Zubair

    He is a proven liar, and please do not defend people you are clueless about.
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    Akh, I think Brother Abuz Zubair may be correct on this one. OBM has proven himself dubious on too many occaisions, and I'm not saying we now attack him as that will require actual first-hand evidence, but I don't think we need to witness to his sincerity or lack of it.

    But I would ask Abuz Zubair to clarify if he would class Abu Hamza in the same league as Omar Bakri, as this may be a thought that pops up in people's mind when they hear what you have to say.
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    But I would ask Abuz Zubair to clarify if he would class Abu Hamza in the same league as Omar Bakri, as this may be a thought that pops up in people's mind when they hear what you have to say.
    Not at all... Although, I may disagree with 101 things to do with Abu Hamza. One thing I know for sure that people like him, or Abu Qatada, or Abu Basir and others, no matter how wrong they may be, are not dubious characters. They all have checkable history.

    OBM is more of a circus performer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abuz Zubair View Post
    Not at all... Although, I may disagree with 101 things to do with Abu Hamza. One thing I know for sure that people like him, or Abu Qatada, or Abu Basir and others, no matter how wrong they may be, are not dubious characters. They all have checkable history.

    OBM is more of a circus performer!
    Assalamu 'Alaykum,

    Well that cool if you hold that opinion for Shaykh Abu Qatada and Abu Hamza (May Allah hasten their release).

    I read the first two pages of the link you gave me and I now I have a pretty good idea of your guy's history. And yes I've personally witnessed some really questionable statements from him, like his interview when he spoke about Nahr Al-Bared. Everyone was shocked at what he said and then I went and heard him on a private lecture basically refute what he said. But to say that he told people to lie about hadeeth should be confirmed, because if he did then he had commited Kufr that takes one out of the fold of Islam. I mean I don't go and say, "I heard that shaykh so and so prayed to an idol." and just leave it as hearsay. That was what surprised me, I read about what he said with the Hadeeth with the slave girl and if he was an 'Ashari and the time that wouldn't surprise me. 'Asharis have shady tactics and it might be that he was actually told or read that somewhere so that would need to be further confirmed. But even then, now he's upon the correct 'Aquedah so that isn't even a issue. As for all the other stuff thats between you guys, I'm not a student of Bakri nor am I all into that scene, but I just don't like it when people use hearsay so lightly because this can differ between a mans neck or not. Know what I'm saying. Just one last note, what is Shaykh Abu Baseer's opinion of him now? Jizak Allah khair.

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    Umar Bakri's student once told me that Umar Bakri had investigated Bin Baz's state and that he consulted some Morrocan who was at Bin Baz's death bed and Umar Bakri asked him if Bin Baz had repented for his crimes. Since Bin Baz had not, he was therefore a Kaafir.

    Another student once claimed Umar Bakri said al-Maqdisi used to make Takfeer of Bin Baz, but Umar Bakri changed his mind saying he was mistaken as he could not prove it when confronted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abu_ibrahim View Post
    Umar Bakri's student once told me that Umar Bakri had investigated Bin Baz's state and that he consulted some Morrocan who was at Bin Baz's death bed and Umar Bakri asked him if Bin Baz had repented for his crimes. Since Bin Baz had not, he was therefore a Kaafir.

    Another student once claimed Umar Bakri said al-Maqdisi used to make Takfeer of Bin Baz, but Umar Bakri changed his mind saying he was mistaken as he could not prove it when confronted.
    Assalamu 'Alaykum,

    The Shaykh Bin Bazz (RA) issue is old and well known and 'Umar Bakri isn't alone with this opinion. And to really tell you the truth as much as I've benifited and respect the Shaykh I know that this issue isn't what puts one in or outside the Millah. And I hold the same opinion of Shaykh Al-Maqdisi on this issue, that the Shaykh was wrong on his fatwah. And also I hold the same opinion as the Shaykh with those who considered it kufr, as a justifiable opinion, but just one that was reached without propper examination of all the variables involved. JZK

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    Abu Ayoub, lying upon the Prophet - SallAllahu 'alayhi wa-sallam - intentionally, or even encouraging to do so, is not a clear cut kufr but something that the scholars differed over. But this is besides the point. If you were to read that thread completely, I have given numerous examples of OBM lying upon the prophet. He literally makes up a hadeeth as he goes along.

    Please stop defending him, or at least trust those who have known him for decades. Not everyone who sings about Jihad is genuine.

    The Shaykh Bin Bazz (RA) issue is old and well known and 'Umar Bakri isn't alone with this opinion. And to really tell you the truth as much as I've benifited and respect the Shaykh I know that this issue isn't what puts one in or outside the Millah. And I hold the same opinion of Shaykh Al-Maqdisi on this issue, that the Shaykh was wrong on his fatwah. And also I hold the same opinion as the Shaykh with those who considered it kufr, as a justifiable opinion
    So Takfeer of Sh Ibn Baz is just a permissible difference of opinion?!
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