5 Muslim men accused of handing out anti gay literature

[AbuMubarak]

British society first needs to be convinced that sodomy is immoral and unnatural.

Once they convinced of that, then they should be convince that in order to remove this practice from society it should be punished.

Demanding punishment for something that the people embrace and consider normal is a bit silly.

Kind of like suggesting that fornicating couples be put to death.

Better still, our energy should be spent on propagating Islam to these people.

Once they accept that, then moral reformation is easy.

this is a very wise statement

if muslims go around attacking every sin that the kuffar do, all the while the kuffar have made it legal and protected, you will wind up in jail

imagine promoting lashing for fornicators? in THIS society

however, the brothers should be supported by the muslims, because a lack of wisdom is not justification for abandoning our brothers

there is no tolerance in islam for homosexuality and no muslim can change that

[LionofIslam]

LionOfIslam: Homosexuality occurs in everything from bed-bugs to giraffes. Aren't they supposed to behave in accordance with Allah's command at all times? Moreover, your argument about the genders: don't you think evolutionary biologists might have already tackled that? Read a book about evolution, you'll find that any arguments you raise are dealt with pretty quick. The only things evolutionary biologists are now tackling are the 'hows', not the 'whethers'.

Where is your evidence? And actually i have seen what evolutionists have said about genders and they DO NOT tackle it. Actually this is one of the most disputed topics in the evolution genre. Finally, Black Widows after they mate with their husbands, they kill there spouses and eat them, can i do that to? Hey its natural! Can I go kill everybody in my village and rape all the women to prove i'm the dominate male. But hey our cousins the silver back gorillas do that! Everything has there own sharia and laws, lions they kill the children of the tribe they conquered, Sea horse males give birth to the baby, and we think that is strange and human beings disbelieve in the creator, which, i believe to the hawan is strange. Which indeed it is.

You tell me to read a book on evolutionists when evolutionist simply do not tackle it. Why don't you? Use your intellect! Your Brain! Why are you suppressing the argument? Why don't you want to accept it? When you know deep down inside that this is a phenomenon and that the male and female genders is such a intricate and wonderful creation and design. When you look at it its a system of wonders and joy (in a lot of different ways )

[gag order]

Why don't these guys dedicate their time and effort towards making hijrah? Isn't that the appropriate Islamic response?

what if they handed out a leaflet that argued that Homosexuality goes against the path that evolution took in Human sexual development ie Humans evolved in perfect and natural heterosexual symmetry and that nobody is born gay since only a heterosexual couple can concieve in the natural manner that evolution determined and that gays were destined to become extinct or culled since it goes against the natural order of evolutionary development? the argument doesn't have to be well thought out but the point is one can be certain that those 5 men would be allowed to express this view without bieng dragged to court over it.

and don't tell me to leave this country I've heard this line before "if you dont agree then leave" theres no point debating if your going to resort to this loser talk every now and then. dont try to hide behind the Hijrah concept as an anti-Islamist your supposed to be opposing that as well not endorsing it, hypocrite much?

Non-Homosexuals who spend their whole time obsessing about homosexuality need to question their own motives.

Non-Homosexuals who spend their whole time defending homosexuality and arguing against Islam and Muslims need to question their own motives or come out of the closet...

most people find that to be a sufficient distance. If they REALLY can't stand even living near to homosexuality, perhaps they should move to the 98% of the world where homosexuals live in fear for their lives.

so its ok to proclaim homosexuality and parade through the streets but if one disagrees and proclaims its wrong and hands out a leaflet he must leave the locality or be sent to prison, you are not only arguing against freedom of speech but also exposing your racism against Asian Muslims.. BTW last year a poof was killed in Trafalgar Square by your fellow Infidels who taunted him and then kicked him to death...

I think that's going to be a hard sell. Like racism, homophobia is easier to install in children than it is in adults.

off course you are speaking from experience you have neatly merged two aspects of your upbringing in the posts quoted above...

How are you going to convince people that a practise between two consenting adults that doesn't affect anyone else

HIV/AIDS according to the CDC its 50 times higher amongst homosexuals, but gays like to suppress discussion of the obvious facts instead preferring to dwell on how rampant it is in Black communities and amongst heterosexuals then there is also the danger of infection through contamination the point is it can affect others and not as harmless as you make out:

Homosexuality would only break up a marriage if the husband was forced by his society to pretend to be heterosexual and then reverted to his homosexual nature afterwards.

first you argued that Homosexuality doesn't affect anyone but now your admitting that it breaks up families. Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice and if they choose to break up their family then it is their fault.

but I've got no reason to prevent others from enjoying it.

its part of your culture and identity which you feel you must defend against the Islamic foreigner which is a good enough reason for you to argue against us

If Allah is truly just, there's no way he'd send people to eternal torture for a consensual loving relationship. He is either just or not.

thats like saying I dont believe in Allah but why would He do this? the answer is its Haram but you dont follow Islam so why bother asking?

He wouldn't send people to hell for not believing, either, given that he has taken credit for blinding them to the truth.

don't blame Allah for not believing, He caused you to come here on IA to find the truth from the Muslims yet you are blinded becos you reject it and argue against it.

[AbuMubarak]

pro human - If an animal does it - doesn't mean it's ok for a human to do it.

they look at themselves as having evolved from animals, thus, it makes sense for them to look at animal behavior as what they should emulate.

they copulate with each other without marriage, just like animals
their women run around naked, in heat, like animals
their men sit around basking in the shade while the women work, like animals
their children dont know who their fathers are, like animals
their men have no gheera, like animals

so why are you surprised that he looks to the behavior of animals to be his example?

3. And yet among men there are such as dispute about Allah, without knowledge, and follow every evil one obstinate in rebellion!
4. About the (Evil One) it is decreed that whoever turns to him for friendship, him will he lead astray, and he will guide him to the Penalty of the Fire.

6. This is so, because Allah is the Reality: it is He Who gives life to the dead, and it is He Who has power over all things.
7. And verily the Hour will come: there can be no doubt about it, or about (the fact) that Allah will raise up all who are in the graves.
8. Yet there is among men such a one as disputes about Allah, without Knowledge, without Guidance, and without a Book of Enlightenment,-
9. (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah. for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).

[gag order]

LionOfIslam: Homosexuality occurs in everything from bed-bugs to giraffes. Aren't they supposed to behave in accordance with Allah's command at all times? .

Homosexuality in animals cannot be used as an argument for acceptence for Human Homosexuality. you an your ilk are the sort who would then go on to advocate gay sex with animals.

then there is also this issue with "observer bias" ie if society is against Homosexuality then no such Homosexual traits would be observed in animals or just be overlooked if it it did occur in some species but if society tolerates Homosexuality and it is bieng actively promoted and approved then once again "observer bias" would point out homosexual traits in as many species as it could but the truth is that even if every species can be shown to have homosexual traits they will always pair with a female for mating this is unlike Homosexuality in Humans. not including Bisexuals since they are reportedly not accepted amongst Homosexuals who insist that one is either gay or not...

[LionofIslam]

Ajeeb w'Allahi

[Umm DJ-N]

Animals are your ideal model on how to live life?

I feel sorry for anyone unfortunate enough to actually have to communicate with you in real life.

Do you respond by barking or oinking?

[huehuecoyotl]

I've heard of people who went to the mental hospital and heard about how they feel. Some (if not all that are affected by jinn) aren't getting helped at all and some say the worst place they've been is the mental hospital. I don't.think it's a psychological disorder because many times someone had 'done' something to get the jinn in the person, before that most were fine. so if it a psychological problems then why would it only happen after the person would've done what s\he did.

I mean maybe but it's always someone's heard this, or it happened one time, etc. If you want to take that level of confidence that's ok, but you need to believe in ghosts, Bigfoot, the Mothman, fairies, gnomes, the grey men, UFOs, Catholic exorcisms, the Jersey Devil, on and on.... because this is the same level of confidence and evidence that they have. Someone has heard, or some strange events happened, etc.

My point wasn't the human bodies weakness nor the use of it but the inside and how it works. Such as the complicated the eyes are and thats just the eye, then there's the brain and well the whole body.

I agree, thoguh the link between complexity and a supreme being is tenuous. There are other explanations as well.

[Muslim1]

I know someone who worked there.. I never just heard it off the net or a newspaper.

[huehuecoyotl]

Let's look at this. Usually a big indicator of bigotry and ignorance is the use of "they". They do this, they do that, they are all the same. Black people are a drag on humanity. They do X and Y. Muslims beat their wives and have legal prostitution ( Shias and Sunnis are all the same after all they are all the same). Racism, religious hatred, ignorance all play off of the they, the other.

....

All good people agree,
And all good people say,
All nice people, like Us, are We
And every one else is They:
But if you cross over the sea,
Instead of over the way,
You may end by (think of it!) looking on We
As only a sort of They!

We and They
Rudyard Kipling

dehumanizing is the easiest thing to do, white supremacists, bigots, and the ignorant do it

they look at themselves as having evolved from animals, thus, it makes sense for them to look at animal behavior as what they should emulate.

It isn't a matter of looking at themselves ( there is that they again) looking as having evolved from animals. That's were the evidence points. Genetics, fossil record, and biology all point in that direction. You may reject that, but it isn't a matter of two differing view points, its the conclusion from the evidence and a denial of that evidence. It's not like some people just got to together and said let's say we are evolved from animals!

they copulate with each other without marriage, just like animals

Which animals? There are many animals that mate for life ( wow animals being more faithful than us), others are very promiscuous. Two of evolutionary cousins the chimpanzee and the bonobo are very different. Chimpanzees are patriarchal with a male chimpanzee having a haram of females and protects them meanwhile the bonobo's are matriarchal with the females leading the group and using sex to resolve conflicts. They are very promiscuous while the chimpanzees are very ascratic

their women run around naked, in heat, like animals

Well humans don't get into heat, and also why focus on women? Men also walk around with their shirts off which of course is imodest. Don't worry though I understand your natural inclination to focus on naked women.

their men sit around basking in the shade while the women work, like animals

huh?

their children dont know who their fathers are, like animals

True.

their men have no gheera, like animals

Kheer is a tasty dish.

I mean we can see the ignorance about here. They do this, luckily WE don't do that. We are so much better. On and on... Orientalists did that before and now the Occidentalists have learned from them it would seem.

so why are you surprised that he looks to the behavior of animals to be his example?

And here is the We part of We and They. You did Rudyard proud.