About Abdullah Azzam and Ayman zawahiri ... from an interview with Hudhayfah A. Azzam

[Um Abdullah M.]

assalamu alaykum

I posted this about 5 months ago in another forum, and brothers who supported zarqawi didn't like it and called him a liar without evidence, and said that I dont' have evidence that he was telling the truth either, which is true, but since then I have come across a similar statement regarding zawahiri by Abdullah Azzam's son in law (Abdullah Anas) who was also a mujahid in Afghanistan.
It would be kind of hard to believe that both would be making up lies about him, and for what purpose?

I would like members comments regarding this, especially brother abu Z and anyone who actually knows Hudhayfah or Abdullah Anas or knows anything about them.

here is what I posted:
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I found the interview I listened to on TV a over a year ago (which I mentioned in another thread) with the son of Shaikh Abdullah Azzam, Hudhayfah Azzam.

In Arabic: http://www.alarabiya.net/Articles/2005/07/28/15351.htm

I will translate some excerpts from it insha Allah related to az Zawahiri especially.

here is one excerpt from link posted above:

Some Arab Afghanis standing against Azzam

Hudhyfah Abdullah Azzam: In Pakistan, and we met Egyptian investigation officers whom I know their faces, if I saw them now I would know them, we were arrested at the request of the Egyptian regime.
Not me or any of my family can enter Egypt until this moment, because I know if I entered Egypt, I would be arrested at the airport, however, this is a word of truth, I have no interest or benefit with the Egyptian regime, but I want to say a word of truth even though I know that both parties will not be pleased with us, in brief but this word we say for the sake of Allah, then to history, I say: those Egyptians in Peshawer used to stand against the father (Abdullah Azzam) when he was in the Masjid, the ones who hold this ideology, starting from shaikh Abu al Fadl, if he is alive I ask Allah azza wa jal to guide him and to return him to the right course, and if he has passed away, I ask Allah to have mercy on him, no.... and he shaikh Ayman zawahiri in peshawer, they issued a statement on Abdullah Azzam while he is alive, they accused him of being infiltrated by U.S. intelligence, they accused him of stealing money, this statement that I have told you: I still keep copies of this statement, I still have it until today, they would not pray behind Abdullah Azzam, they divided the Arabs into two Arabs, Abdullah Azzam used to pray in Masjid "Sabe' al Layl" and they went and made for themselves a Jum'ah, Jum'ah prayer in Masjid al Hilal al Ahmar al Kuwaiti in Peshawer, I swear by Allah that my father gave a whole khutba, more than an hour and a half and he is speaking to them, a whole jum'ah khutbah: "Fear Allah", I said: so we won't make the Arabs two Arabs we pray in one place, and my father used to go to prayer in their place, and they are in the age of his youngest sons, or at least at the age of his sons, and they are in knowledge uncompared ? to him, they know that they would not bet not in his knowledge nor his evidance/argument nor anything, but even with that, he would sit humbly to teach them how a Muslim's heart should be on the Muslim? he sits to listen to the khutbah of a person who does not speak well, and he knows who he is, he is the first Arab to come to the field.

Sa'ed al Silawi (the interviewer): and Ayman Zawahiri was with them?

Hudhayfah Azzam: yes, they were present, all of them were present and one of them was doing the khutbah, the father -may Allah have mercy on him- used to be cursed on the minbar (where the khutbah is given), abused at the minbar, and speaks about the minbar,
those whom were not pleased with Abdullah Azzam during his life, we know with certainty, now they came after his death to market their ideology in the name of Abdullah Azzam, and they used to not acknowledge him, if they had any faithfulness/loyalty or less loyalty to Abdullah Azzam, they would have studied? his ideology and his way/path/approach, Abdullah Azzam who stood up in ...they stood with him in a long bitter clash/dispute/conflict/fight in the field of Peshawer, and in the camps, everytime he would say a word, they stood up to him, and objected to him without the slightest evidance or the slightest proof.
Those, now, started to take the name of Abdullah Azzam as a ceiling, or a bright/famous name , they know that the Muslim world...that Abdullah Azzam is the only person who got an ijma' in the Pakistani and Afghani field, and the only person, who never harmed, not with even a word, even the Saudi Interior Minister in one of his meetings, I think with MBC, I heard him with my ears, when he was asked about Abdullah Azzam, he said: a person who calls to virtue/goodness.
Abdullah Azzam imposed/forced his respect in the public and private, he imposed his respect upon the regimes and people, that is why they said: which person now to market these goods, who is the most shiny/bright/famous standing name ? the name of Abdullah Azzam, they marketed those goods, I swear by Allah if Abdullah Azzam was alive, he would be the first to fight this ideology, and he would have been the most standing person to appose/confront/stand up against this ideology, and he would have been the first to stand up against their faces, because he stood up against them in Peshawer.

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this is teh only part I translated at the time, for ones who know arabic they can read the whole thing in the link posted above.

[Abuz Zubair]

We discussed it in a different thread. These guys, way before 9/11 would renounce Abdullah Azzam in private as a sell out ikhwani, as the madkhalis would renounce Ibn Jibrin, Ibn Uthaymin, Ibn Baz and others in private. I can say this because I have heard it from my own ears.

There is a lot of truth in what Hudhayfa Azzam is saying, and most of the youngsters who are in a state of denial or those who have never stepped in a land of Jihad, nay, they've never even met an Afghan veteran to find out what really happened.

Sadly, the veterans are all keeping a low profile and trying their best to avert any attention that could land them in prison, and therefore, not much we can hear from them. If a person ever gets to know one of them on a personal level, I am sure it'll be an eye opener.

The problem is with the rabid like mentality. As if it is a disease injected into their brains by their Egyptian torturers before releasing them.

[MosDef]

wa alaykum salaam, very interesting. Shukran.

So they still refer to him as "Shaikh Ayman Zawahiri"? Also does anybody know if al-arabiya is a independent media source? Are they similar to al-Jazeera?

On January 22, 2007, there was a large explosion at Al Arabiya's offices in Gaza City, just days after it was reported as criticizing members of Hamas. The offices were closed at the time and no injuries were ever reported.

Is this True? (from Wiki)

Al-Arabiya was launched nine months ago with an investment of $300m by the Saudi-controlled pan-Arab satellite TV pioneer MBC, Lebanon's Hariri Group, and other investors from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the Gulf states. It was set up as an all-news channel to compete directly with Qatar-based al-Jazeera TV.

From the BBC.

I have no doubt Hudhayfa & Abdullah Anas dont agree with Zawahiri, however i read recently they were not happy with the way some media have quoted them. I wonder what they were complaining about? Maybe one of the brothers can bring us the ref.

Finally some words from Abdullah Azzam:

Oh! You Muslim Scholars! (Ullema) come forward and lead this generation that is returning to its lord. Do not turn away, do not rely on this immortal life, and beware of the offerings of the tyrants for they cause darkness and death of the hearts and becomes an obstacle between you and this generation.

Oh you Muslims! You have slept for a long time, long enough for the tyrants to take control over you. You accepted to live as slaves and submitted to tyrants. Now the time has come to revolt and destroy the shackle of slavery.

From what we have as solid evidence (video recordings) Zawahiri refers to Abdullah Azzam as the "Martyr of Islam" and has nothing but praise.

[Abuz Zubair]

From what we have as solid evidence (video recordings) Zawahiri refers to Abdullah Azzam as the "Martyr of Islam" and has nothing but praise.

It isn't a surprise... It could be several things, amongst them that he may have changed his position towards him. If you ever bump into an Egyptian veteran, ask him what they thought of Abdullah Azzam

[Um Abdullah M.]

From the BBC.

I have no doubt Hudhayfa & Abdullah Anas dont agree with Zawahiri, however i read recently they were not happy with the way some media have quoted them. I wonder what they were complaining about? Maybe one of the brothers can bring us the ref.

bro, this interveiw was on TV, I heard him say this stuff myself, if it was only written then we could say that they cut their words or twisted it, but I heard it coming from his mouth.

[Um Abdullah M.]

It isn't a surprise... It could be several things, amongst them that he may have changed his position towards him. If you ever bump into an Egyptian veteran, ask him what they thought of Abdullah Azzam

but has his ideology changed since the time of Abdullah Azzam rahimahu Allah?

[MosDef]

bro, this interveiw was on TV, I heard him say this stuff myself, if it was only written then we could say that they cut their words or twisted it, but I heard it coming from his mouth.

Ok shukran for the clarification. What i do find strange is why Hudhayfa & co. don't mention Abu Abdillah... Surely he is also part of this new "ideology" as some call it? I believe Zawahiri is a easy target.

If you ever bump into an Egyptian veteran, ask him what they thought of Abdullah Azzam

Noted & on my to-do list akhi.

What did Abdullah Azzam & Ibn ul Khattab mean by:

You have slept for a long time, long enough for the tyrants to take control over you. You accepted to live as slaves and submitted to tyrants. Now the time has come to revolt and destroy the shackle of slavery.

Abdullah Azzam

"Arab rulers are slaves of the West, slaves of money and slaves of vainglory. The time has come to get free from these slaves"

Khattab

Are they also from this new "ideology"? BTW, im not a Zawahiri fan but i feel he sometimes gets a raw deal.

[Abul-Fadl]

They don't mention Abu 'Abdillah because they would look bad and lose some credibility with the typical Ahmad and fatima.

[MosDef]

With regards to the Doctor supporting bloodshed in Misr, i bring you this quote reportedly from Knights Under the Prophet’s Banner: (I have not read the book). Please correct me if i am misinformed.

[... due to the activity of] the security forces and because of Egypt’s flat terrain, which made government control easy, for the River Nile runs in its narrow valley between two deserts that have no vegetation or water. Such a terrain made guerrilla warfare in Egypt impossible.

His reason for going to Afghanistan instead of fighting in Egypt. Common sense again... from a Jihadi..

They don't mention Abu 'Abdillah because they would look bad and lose some credibility with the typical Ahmad and fatima.

Indeed, but is this a characteristic of the Muslim? To shy away from the Haqq because of credibility? Would the typical Ahmad & Fatima not think why Abu Abdillah is spared from this "new ideology" and why Abu Abdillah praises "Takfeeris"...

[Um Abdullah M.]

who is Abu Abdillah?
do you mean OBL?
if you do
then he did speak about him
check the link in my first post